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Astenion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2010.12.07 13:46:00 - [1]
 

How does it feel to get your over-implanted ass handed to you by just 600 capsuleers? What part of "we cannot die" don't you understand? Still think zombies are a match for free-thinking and free-willed immortals?

You see, we may hate each other but we hate you more and we can put aside our differences in order to stomp your ass all over the universe, wherever you may be. This time the fight's coming to you, Johnny 5. Suck it.

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2010.12.07 14:35:00 - [2]
 

*Transmission begins with an audible, tired sigh*

I respect your enthusiasm, pilot. A few things though. First, we can die.

Second, despite how much you may desire to or how much it may seem the battles are going in your favor, it is never, ever wise to taunt your enemy. Pride comes before the all, arrogance blinds vision and boasting drowns the sounds of danger.

Yes, we will fight against the Nation. Yes, many of us are standing together with pilots we previously would not have. Yes, "the enemy of my enemy is my ally" adage appears to be in effect here temporarily. But we must not let vanity cloud our judgment. There is still a long fight ahead of us, Nation is still very much a danger and despite what some of us seem to believe, not everyone is going to lay aside their hatreds and vendettas to fight Nation.

Keep your enthusiasm but temper it with prudence.

GIGAR
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.07 14:56:00 - [3]
 

Have you ever considered a life of eternal pain?
If Capsuleers are truly immortal, it's not impossible that some day, you could find yourself in a endless Hellfire that would make you wishing you were dead.

I agree with Raze Valadeus on this matter, though;
Keep respect for your enemy.
You risk showing yourselves as exactly who Kuvakei believes you to be...

Argus Kell
Gallente
Lost Enterprises...
SOLAR WING
Posted - 2010.12.07 15:04:00 - [4]
 

A cheer for our victory. A salute to our losses. No more need be said as the fight has only just begun and a monster like this will be truly unrelenting.

Syfa
Caldari
Anshar Incorporated
Posted - 2010.12.07 16:01:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Astenion
How does it feel to get your over-implanted ass handed to you by just 600 capsuleers? What part of "we cannot die" don't you understand? Still think zombies are a match for free-thinking and free-willed immortals?

You see, we may hate each other but we hate you more and we can put aside our differences in order to stomp your ass all over the universe, wherever you may be. This time the fight's coming to you, Johnny 5. Suck it.


We have not been winning by nearly as large of a margin as you claim Pilot, I've fought Sansha forces at the second(?) battle of Hek, at the third battle(?) for Madirmillire and I was part of the fleet that killed the Sansha carrier at Imya. In the case of Imya, Antem and Anyed, despite our overall dominance on the field, sansha forces still managed to succeed in establishing their uplinks.... in all three cases to my knowledge in fact.

At Hek and Madirmillire, capsuleers were *vastly* outnumbered, and Sansha forces achieved much of their primary objectives.

Keep in mind, these were all battles that we technically 'won'. This speaks nothing of the atrocities that happened at places like Oruse, I'm no Amarr worshiper but may god have mercy on the souls of the people from that place.

In fact, at Imya, we almost didn't succeed in destroying the sansha carrier were it not for the Capsuleer Durzel(?), with his foresight in bringing combat scanner probes, we probably would have never caught the carrier around Planet 10.

We may be 'winning' but only just barely, and Sansha is accomplishing his goals.

You should be worried and frightened Pilot, not arrogant and overconfident.

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2010.12.07 16:52:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Astenion
How does it feel to get your over-implanted ass handed to you by just 600 capsuleers? What part of "we cannot die" don't you understand? Still think zombies are a match for free-thinking and free-willed immortals?

You see, we may hate each other but we hate you more and we can put aside our differences in order to stomp your ass all over the universe, wherever you may be. This time the fight's coming to you, Johnny 5. Suck it.


Quiet your self...find the calm that is the mark of a warrior. Your zeal is understandable, but do not mock our enemy. They are capable, organized, and dangerous.


James Syagrius
Gallente
Advent Ltd.
Posted - 2010.12.07 17:00:00 - [7]
 

Don’t let the old fogies dampen your joy Mr. Astenion... Victories should be celebrated. Moral is as important as determination.

Anslo
Disciples of Night
Dominion of Darkness
Posted - 2010.12.07 17:24:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: James Syagrius
Don’t let the old fogies dampen your joy Mr. Astenion... Victories should be celebrated. Moral is as important as determination.


While the battle was ...interesting, you do realize the ultimate goal was achieved correct? We indeed did establish the required uplinks in safe locations for Master.

A celebration for the loss of so many innocent lives should not be a thing for celebration Mr. Syagrius...

Dunn Idaho
Caldari
Core Impulse
Posted - 2010.12.07 17:58:00 - [9]
 

Sansha will be backm mark my words.

And they guy is like really old now, hows that for not dying, and he cannot die you know.

Dunn Idaho

Ber Kan
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.07 19:27:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Dunn Idaho

And they guy is like really old now, hows that for not dying, and he cannot die you know.



All men, women, and children. All rogue drones. Even gods themselves. Can die. History has shown this. Mythology. It takes the right strings, The right cords. And the right characters to make sure that it is done.

Mark my words. Kuvakei will die. Sansha will die. And sooner or later. We will all die. Even I know I will die. Every battle i thrust myself into. I expect to be destroyed. Every time I enter low and null. I expect to be shot to hell. To be killed. And everytime I am not...I thank those behind the works.

James Syagrius
Gallente
Advent Ltd.
Posted - 2010.12.07 20:13:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: James Syagrius on 07/12/2010 20:14:42
Originally by: Anslo
Originally by: James Syagrius
Don’t let the old fogies dampen your joy Mr. Astenion... Victories should be celebrated. Moral is as important as determination.


While the battle was ...interesting, you do realize the ultimate goal was achieved correct? We indeed did establish the required uplinks in safe locations for Master.

A celebration for the loss of so many innocent lives should not be a thing for celebration Mr. Syagrius...


I think you read to much into my response.

Perhaps your implants are misfiring, I suggest a recall.

But anyway it is however nice to see you admit that the people you killed were … innocent…

**Edited for spelling**

Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2010.12.07 20:35:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Astenion
What part of "we cannot die" don't you understand? Still think zombies are a match for free-thinking and free-willed immortals?



We are none 'immortal,' pilot Astenion, nor is there actually much free will amongst the rabble. I can assure you someday (and in our cases, perhaps a day long in the future), that we all answer for the actions in this life, before moving to the next.

Conduct yourself accordingly, should you wish it.







Anslo
Disciples of Night
Dominion of Darkness
Posted - 2010.12.07 20:35:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: James Syagrius
Edited by: James Syagrius on 07/12/2010 20:14:42
Originally by: Anslo
Originally by: James Syagrius
Don’t let the old fogies dampen your joy Mr. Astenion... Victories should be celebrated. Moral is as important as determination.


While the battle was ...interesting, you do realize the ultimate goal was achieved correct? We indeed did establish the required uplinks in safe locations for Master.

A celebration for the loss of so many innocent lives should not be a thing for celebration Mr. Syagrius...


I think you read to much into my response.

Perhaps your implants are misfiring, I suggest a recall.

But anyway it is however nice to see you admit that the people you killed were … innocent…

**Edited for spelling**


And I believe you have read too much into my response. I am referring to the innocent people whom controlled the vessels we sent to Monalaz.

Astenion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2010.12.07 21:40:00 - [14]
 

I had no idea that so many immortals (yes, immortals) were such whiny buzzkills. Technically, we are ALREADY dead...we've simply been reanimated with our thoughts and memories into new clones. Should something interrupt that exchange, we wouldn't "die" but rather simply be lost in the abyss of nothingness until we could be reanimated at a later time. Really, what's the difference between being conscious in the ether and unconscious when you're already dead?

That said, there is no greater glory than to die in battle. Listen to yourselves, frightened and demoralized after a victory! Despicable! There will be many new challenges ahead and victories as well as losses on both sides, but today we celebrate our first of many victories over the Nation. Temperance has always been a good attribute, but boldness can cause one's enemy to show his hand prematurely. No one has ever been emboldened to do great things by doubt and fear but rather courage and self-sacrifice. Think of all the MORTAL humans who have launched themselves head-first into battle, knowing full well their demise was at hand...yet here we sit, fretting over the miniscule possibility that we may not be reanimated into our already dreary and dead existence. For the moment we have him on the defensive in the system and instead of continuing the push for eradication, you're afraid of being bold in the face of danger. Your LACK of conviction is a much, much bigger signal of weakness to Sansha.

No one ever said it was going to be easy, and we don't have to like it...we just have to do it. Failure is not an option, even if it means our deaths. If you are not willing to make the ultimate sacrifice, why are you even here?

I shall continue to fight and demean this scum, this parasite called Sansha and if it brings me my death then so be it...but I'll be taking as many of them with me as I can. If you want to second-guess your conviction and sit on the sidelines wasting time, just stay out of the way and stay docked.

Ber Kan
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.07 22:03:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Astenion
I had no idea that so many immortals (yes, immortals) were such whiny buzzkills. Technically, we are ALREADY dead...we've simply been reanimated with our thoughts and memories into new clones. Should something interrupt that exchange, we wouldn't "die" but rather simply be lost in the abyss of nothingness until we could be reanimated at a later time. Really, what's the difference between being conscious in the ether and unconscious when you're already dead?



You sir should hold your tongue, less you wish a quick death from..."friends". I am not stating I will do it, but to go around saying such things, will get you killed quickly.

Originally by: Astenion
Your LACK of conviction is a much, much bigger signal of weakness to Sansha.


I have been fighting sansha for near seven, eight months going now. Loosing billions of isk. millions of troops, and doing the exact back ten fold. I dare not show Sansha weakness, as showing such a thing, is implimenting the fact that we have already lost this war.

Originally by: Astenion
This over eagerness, has gotten many of even far greater pilots killed. Do not for a second, that your talks here, will not go un-noticed by Sansha. They will only make things even more difficult for those actually fighting behind the scenes. And even more for those trying to analyze and decrypt their messages.

I will not beg, I will not squirm, and i will not plea for you to stop. I will warn you, that what you are doing will kill many innocent pilots and troops. I will not warn any more.

Astenion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2010.12.07 22:20:00 - [16]
 

What can I say? We Gallente tend to act before we think. I shall take your advice, as the last thing I want on my conscience is the death of my brethren caused by my actions, however much I may hate them outside the war. As long as we're united against this threat, you're all my brothers and sisters; I can deal with the threat of bodily harm to myself but I simply cannot have the burden of fellow capsuleers' deaths by my over-eagerness on my conscience. Your point has been taken to heart.

Brandrsun
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.07 22:49:00 - [17]
 

this is the end of the beginning and the beginning of the end.

Astenion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2010.12.07 22:59:00 - [18]
 

Yes, but for whom is still unclear.

Ber Kan
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.07 23:51:00 - [19]
 

for any and all

Articulas Maximus
Minmatar
Maximus Industry and Tech
Posted - 2010.12.08 00:38:00 - [20]
 

Yet again we stand in these halls listening to the drivel of the Amarr god worshippers and their corporately oppressed lapdogs!

This fight will take the courage and determination of the truly free of which you are not.

I our Gallente brothers speak truth, The Sansha will crumble against the immortals it is just a matter of time.

One would even consider that the Sansha and Amarr have more then enough in common and as such may be collaborating a much more devious plan of slavery and pillage.

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2010.12.08 01:05:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Articulas Maximus
Yet again we stand in these halls listening to the drivel of the Amarr god worshippers and their corporately oppressed lapdogs!

This fight will take the courage and determination of the truly free of which you are not.

I our Gallente brothers speak truth, The Sansha will crumble against the immortals it is just a matter of time.

One would even consider that the Sansha and Amarr have more then enough in common and as such may be collaborating a much more devious plan of slavery and pillage.


I suggest you re-evaluate your information and replace your misinformed conspiracies with facts.

You already proclaim your ignorance by declaring that the Amarr lack free will, as that is a quintessential doctrine in our faith.

I agree that if our resolve stays strong, we will defeat Sansha and his nation in time. I do not agree that we should be blinding ourselves with arrogance, pride and carelessness.

The next time you feel like declaring the Amarr allies with the Sansha, evaluate the facts more clearly. The Amarr have dedicated quite a bit to fighting off Sansha's minions and even if the Empire, along with the other nations, aren't taking direct, governmental action - capsuleers of every race, religion and creed are sacrificing for this fight.

Spit on their efforts again and you might find yourself being blasted from the sky for your insolence and your ignorance, moron.

Jaik7
Posted - 2010.12.08 02:38:00 - [22]
 

You already proclaim your ignorance by declaring that the Amarr lack free will, as that is a quintessential doctrine in our faith.



Sure, YOU have free will. not so sure about your "employees".

Really now, Even the Caldari have better healthcare and child support programs than you do.

Just saying, Free Will speach from the Amarr is a bit rich.

Belfelmalak
Posted - 2010.12.08 03:27:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Belfelmalak on 08/12/2010 03:47:54
Edited by: Belfelmalak on 08/12/2010 03:47:09
Despite my years I am still at times taken aback by the hypocrisy of the Gallente. They speak in noble tones of “freedom” and “self determination” yet they themselves stole the home world of our friends the Caldari. They today hold the people of Intaki in a bondage of principle, indifferent to the freewill of those they victimize.

But now is not the time to correct them in the error of their ways. God has brought a plague upon us, a test to try the strength of our hearts and the purity of our will. A test in the form of the Evil Kuvakei.

So to our friend who celebrates the Victory I say sing to the heavens your joy and give thanks to God that he found you worthy.

To those who mourn the loss of those taken by Sansha I say worry not. God has deemed them in need of their own test. Just as those who have been chosen to serve in Amarr.

Those who remain stout of heart even in the face of servitude will find solace and reward in the palace of God.


Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2010.12.08 03:59:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Jaik7
You already proclaim your ignorance by declaring that the Amarr lack free will, as that is a quintessential doctrine in our faith.



Sure, YOU have free will. not so sure about your "employees".


By "employees" I assume you mean slaves, in which case you are correct. They are often treated quite poorly and I'll not try and defend those actions. There are those among the Amarr who regard their slaves with more compassion and fairness, but they are not the overpowering majority.

Originally by: Jaik7

Really now, Even the Caldari have better healthcare and child support programs than you do.


Of course they do, they have to. Isn't the whole point behind their mass breeding and previous use of "tube labs" so that they could elevate their population to keep up with the more numerous Federation? I'll not make any comments or opinions on that, just a simple statement.

Originally by: Jaik7

Just saying, Free Will speach from the Amarr is a bit rich.


Indeed it is. Not all Amarr will speak of free will, nor will all Amarr agree with my viewpoint on the matter. The point is that free will, according to The Scriptures, belongs to all creatures - not just the Amarr.

James Syagrius
Gallente
Advent Ltd.
Posted - 2010.12.08 08:43:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Anslo
Originally by: James Syagrius
Edited by: James Syagrius on 07/12/2010 20:14:42
Originally by: Anslo
Originally by: James Syagrius
Don’t let the old fogies dampen your joy Mr. Astenion... Victories should be celebrated. Moral is as important as determination.


While the battle was ...interesting, you do realize the ultimate goal was achieved correct? We indeed did establish the required uplinks in safe locations for Master.

A celebration for the loss of so many innocent lives should not be a thing for celebration Mr. Syagrius...


I think you read to much into my response.

Perhaps your implants are misfiring, I suggest a recall.

But anyway it is however nice to see you admit that the people you killed were … innocent…

**Edited for spelling**


And I believe you have read too much into my response. I am referring to the innocent people whom controlled the vessels we sent to Monalaz.


If so… I stand corrected in regards to your actions and motivations Mr. Anslo. It was most certainly not my... primary intention to offend.

The point was trying to make, and obviously failed to do, was… That too many are overly judgmental of Mr. Astenion’s very natural desire to celebrate something positive in these dark times.

His celebration takes nothing away from anyone… It diminishes the horror of involuntary subjugation not in the least, which if I may be so bold to assume, wasn’t his intention at all.

In my opinion … The negative reaction to his exuberant …finger in the eye of the Nation… reflects a dangerous and perhaps fatalistic outlook related to this threat, and is yet another example of those in … “our class” taking themselves too seriously. Shouldn’t we be happy about victories no matter how small?

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2010.12.08 11:01:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: James Syagrius
Shouldn’t we be happy about victories no matter how small?



Yes, we should. Perhaps I was misunderstood in my original response.

I see no reason not to celebrate victories and give thanks for successes. My words were meant simply as caution, not to risk blinding ourselves in the process of celebration and not to taunt our enemy.

It is fine to celebrate but do not do harm to your cause by rousing your adversary to reprisal. That is all.

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2010.12.08 11:04:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Belfelmalak
Edited by: Belfelmalak on 08/12/2010 03:47:54
Edited by: Belfelmalak on 08/12/2010 03:47:09
God has brought a plague upon us, a test to try the strength of our hearts and the purity of our will. A test in the form of the Evil Kuvakei.

So to our friend who celebrates the Victory I say sing to the heavens your joy and give thanks to God that he found you worthy.

To those who mourn the loss of those taken by Sansha I say worry not. God has deemed them in need of their own test. Just as those who have been chosen to serve in Amarr.

Those who remain stout of heart even in the face of servitude will find solace and reward in the palace of God.




I would be wary of your wording, brother. God did not "bring a plague upon us," to suggest He has done so is to make God the evil one, not Kuvakei. If you stand by that stance, then we should be fighting against God, not worshiping Him.

No, Kuvakei's actions are his own and this "evil" is the result of man, not God.

Astenion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2010.12.08 11:46:00 - [28]
 

My fellow pilots, it is no secret we all harbor resentment and even ill will towards one another and our races, this being an understatement. However, now is not the time to turn our aggression towards one another, but rather focus it on Sansha and his Nation. There will be plenty of time for bickering and quarreling when we are not faced with total annihilation. Do not let our cultural differences divide us in our efforts; this is exactly what Sansha wants. Let us remain focused in our fight against the Nation and for the moment put aside our petty quarrels, as difficult as it may be.

A wise man once said, "Let's not argue an' bicker over 'oo killed 'oo".

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2010.12.08 13:00:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Astenion
My fellow pilots, it is no secret we all harbor resentment and even ill will towards one another and our races, this being an understatement. However, now is not the time to turn our aggression towards one another, but rather focus it on Sansha and his Nation. There will be plenty of time for bickering and quarreling when we are not faced with total annihilation. Do not let our cultural differences divide us in our efforts; this is exactly what Sansha wants. Let us remain focused in our fight against the Nation and for the moment put aside our petty quarrels, as difficult as it may be.

A wise man once said, "Let's not argue an' bicker over 'oo killed 'oo".


This is a suggestion I can stand beside completely. Not everyone will be able to jump to support, as the empires are still fighting one another despite this danger and many capsuleers have obligations and reasons to remain defending their people and their land against their enemies. But those of us that are able, should be standing together against this threat.

Belfelmalak
Posted - 2010.12.09 04:00:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Raze Valadeus
Originally by: Belfelmalak
Edited by: Belfelmalak on 08/12/2010 03:47:54
Edited by: Belfelmalak on 08/12/2010 03:47:09
God has brought a plague upon us, a test to try the strength of our hearts and the purity of our will. A test in the form of the Evil Kuvakei.

So to our friend who celebrates the Victory I say sing to the heavens your joy and give thanks to God that he found you worthy.

To those who mourn the loss of those taken by Sansha I say worry not. God has deemed them in need of their own test. Just as those who have been chosen to serve in Amarr.

Those who remain stout of heart even in the face of servitude will find solace and reward in the palace of God.




I would be wary of your wording, brother. God did not "bring a plague upon us," to suggest He has done so is to make God the evil one, not Kuvakei. If you stand by that stance, then we should be fighting against God, not worshiping Him.

No, Kuvakei's actions are his own and this "evil" is the result of man, not God.


Brother , Nothing that transpires in this universe does so against Gods will. What ever evil exists does so at His mercy. God uses such evil as a tool to purify and test his people. Rest assured that we are indeed supposed and expected by Him to resist Sansha even unto our own demise. As to why he feels we need such testing, who are we to ask God why. Why do plagues spread or storms ravage. These are questions that mortals are doomed not to be able to answer


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