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Darenthul
Posted - 2010.12.06 23:23:00 - [1]
 

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/340/6/f/eve_online___ore_beluga_by_shadowclaimer-d34d6m4.jpg
(Terrible quality rough-sketch-scan, will be redoing it and spicing it up in the next few days.)

Concept sketch for a ship I was making for the EVE Ship Design Contest, realized my ship might not qualify for the contest due to its size, and the fact my drawing ability cannot begin to rival the previous entrants.

Its basically a monstrous refinery/mining vessel, and a capital mining ship (the only of its kind dedicated to that). It uses Drones primarily to mine and its "Eye" laser on the front is a single boosted Mining Laser.

The design itself is meant to almost look like an engine block floating through space, the front is open, and all manner of mechanical cranes/arms are flailing and working on the inside, furnaces flaring up, and all kinds of mechanical joys.
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ORE Beluga
Capital Industrial Ship
Role: Drone Mining and Refining

When the research and development teams working under Outer Ring Excavations first provided the blueprints and designs for a "mobile refinery" capable of crossing star systems and absolving them of their minerals they were gawked at, the sheer size and scale of the ship made its construction nearly impossible.

After the success of the Rorqual however, ORE's directors quickly dug up the old plans and had their brightest research teams put to work overhauling and making the design feasible for real world applications.

The result was a behemoth of an industrial ore processing ship capable of melting down ore into minerals almost as fast as it could mine them. The Beluga wasn't cheap, but it was effective, and big time mining corporations began to shell out the ISK for the blueprints to get a leg up on their competition.

"I'm sure if we managed to outfit large enough engines on it, the Beluga would mine and refine the entire universe in a day." - Anonymous ORE Developer

Capital Industrial Ships Bonus:
5% bonus to refinery efficiency
5% bonus to cargo capacity per level
3km bonus to mining drone effective range per level
Can deploy 3 additional mining drones per level

Role Bonus:
75% bonus to mining drone yield
300% bonus to mining laser yield
300% bonus to mining laser optimal range

*Capable of refining ore in its Refinery Storage Bay, has a base 30% efficiency rating

- Fitting -
Powergrid:
CPU:
Turrets: 1
Launchers: 0
High Slots: 3
Medium Slots: 8
Low Slots: 6
Rig Slots: 3

- Structure -
Structure HP: 225,000
Capacity: 50,000 m3
Refinery Storage Bay Capacity: 100,000 m3 (Ore/Minerals)
Drone Capacity: 200 m3
Drone Bandwidth:
Mass:
Volume:

EM Damage Resistance: 0%
Explosive Damage Resistance: 0%
Kinetic Damage Resistance: 0%
Thermal Damage Resistance: 0%

- Armor -
Armor HP: 30,000

Armor EM Damage Resistance: 50%
Armor Explosive Damage Resistance: 10%
Armor Kinetic Damage Resistance: 40%
Armor Thermal Damage Resistance: 40%

- Shield -
Shield HP: 90,000
Shield Recharge Time: 14,400 Seconds

Shield EM Damage Resistance: 0%
Shield Explosive Damage Resistance: 50%
Shield Kinetic Damage Resistance: 40%
Shield Thermal Damage Resistance: 20%

- Capacitor -
Capacity: 50,000
Recharge Time: 3500 Seconds

- Targeting -
Maximum Targeting Range: 125 km
Max Locked Targets: 6
Scan Resolution: 55mm
Magnetometric Sensor Strength: 110 points
Signature Radius: 5,000m

- Jump Drive Systems -
Jump Drive Capacitor Need: 95%
Maximum Jump range: 4 ly
Jump Drive Fuel Need: Oxygen Isotopes
Jump Drive Consumption Amount: 1, 000

- Other -
Max Velocity: 60 m/s
Ship Warp Speed: 1.3 AU/s

mchief117
Posted - 2010.12.07 04:11:00 - [2]
 

there are two rules of eve that you mst follow to avoid being insta flamed , they are

1 a new ship must not render a old one obsolite simple by existing, ( the rorqual would no longer have any reasion to exist)

2 a ship must not be a single person money making machine. ( this ship can both harvest and refine ore)

i would however support spliting this idea into 2 ships, one a capital minign class ship with its eye of doom mining lasers system and a moble refinery ship or a modification to the rorqual to enable its an ability to refine ore instead of compress it

Jaik7
Posted - 2010.12.07 04:31:00 - [3]
 

this will never be so.

the Hulk/orca team is simply too effective already. adding this to the mix....

you'll drop mineral prices so low that titans can be built by everyone.

every 0.0 system will have an outpost erected within a week of this thing's release.

furthermore, this will only benefit the superalliances that can afford them. until the mineral price hits rock (pun intended) bottom, these mining titans will only be availible to nullseccers.

i don't participate in blobs, i dont know how much this thing would take to drop, but it completly nullifies any threat the rats used to pose, to say the least

you'll never get a ship that can mine, haul, and refine, no matter how many people get behind it. the role of a capital ship in mining is to provide bonuses and haul away the ore. this is a three step process for a reason. they have to put SOME barriers to stop carebears from, as your op puts it, mine and refine the universe in a day.

i realize i'm being harsh on this, but it would simply break too much. -1 for being too much power for any one person

Kendal Hala
Posted - 2010.12.07 05:35:00 - [4]
 

I like the mining drone boat aspect of the ship, personally I have always liked drones and think that the mining drones need some love.

I dont think the refining aspect would have much use. If this ship is comparable in price and skills to the Rorqual, I think that mining groups would go for the Rorqual instead. It gets massive leadership bonuses and the compression allows for easier transport of ore to locations where refining yeild can hit 100%.

Robert Caldera
Posted - 2010.12.07 07:40:00 - [5]
 

there is already a rorqual.
Its simply not for highsec folks. If you like any of that, you will have to leave high sec.

Sir Drake
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.07 09:37:00 - [6]
 

Why bother with a new ship, just introduce some fighter sized mining drones.
2 of these = 1 Strip Miner (not counting travel time)

Or if it has to be a ship, just copy/paste any of the carriers, drop the corp hangar and add it to regular cargo bay and finally give it some mining drone boni.

BUT pls dont do as the OP suggest and give it refining + mining drone + mining laser bonus.
At the very least have it focus on one aspect of mining not make it capable of all.

Darenthul
Posted - 2010.12.07 10:42:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Darenthul on 07/12/2010 10:59:48
My reason for posting was not to dump and let be, so instead of "No" anyone care to assist me in bringing this ship into line? How can we make this a legit ship without destroying the essence of it? (A giant refining station that mines using drones) without obsoleting any other current ship in the game? I would also be willing to scrap/severely nerf the refining aspect (maybe making it use a fuel source that costs a fortune, or requiring a deploy that puts it at risk) or even remove it if people still find it that overpowered, the concept of ships flying up to this massive titan of a mining vessel just to collect ore from it does seem just as epic as if it refined it itself.

I can see that mining vessels have the capability to destroy the economy now after reading and doing the proper research, so how do I address this? Risk vs reward? (Do I make it very easy to lose this ship unless heavily guarded?) High costs? (Maintenance AND creation) or what?

bartos100
DARK ADAMA
Terra Axiom
Posted - 2010.12.07 12:43:00 - [8]
 

i would start with an industrial core to use the refining

and while in industrial mode no drones

if you want to make sure that the rorq is not left to die with this ship make it that it can only refine a set size of ore in 1 run making compressed ore more efficient

just some idea's :)

but i like the idea of refining on a ship
would be a great step to a nomadic play-style

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2010.12.07 12:59:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Darenthul
(A giant refining station that mines using drones)


This is what obsoletes the Rorqual, its trying to do everything at once.

I like the concept of a mobile refinery, and I like the idea of a mining drone ship (nice to have a highsec capable one of these) but not in the same hull.

refinery ship (capital/supercapital?)
deploy to access refinery
refinery can only used compressed goods
bonus to refinery efficiency (level 5 cannot exceed POS refineries) per level
fuel bonus if SC

mining drone ship (sub-cap)
bonus to mining drone yield, hit points and speed (not duration) per level
bonus to cargo bay/ore bay capacity per level

Jaik7
Posted - 2010.12.07 14:15:00 - [10]
 

your idea of the fuel req to refine is a good one, and would balance it tremendously. i'd also suggest having it be immobile and unrepable during the cycle. you'd also have to make the powergrid and cpu needs for the refinery such that a group would have to sacrifice a lot of stuff in defense and other functions just to have it online.

still, the point of a rorqual is to sit around and compress ore so it can be taken somewhere to refine, be a jump clone center, and haul a lot of (ore only) ships.

the Beluga seems to be designed to refine ore in space into the mineral, and mine a lot of ore itself. i think that to void this being a one man industrial machine, you'd need to make it either a mining drone ship or a refinery, and make it only able to function properly as a refinery if it is hooked up to a pos or something. if you check the powergrid and cpu needs of a pos's refinery, i think you'll find that no ship is capable of doing the same thing.

pos refineries have drawbacks, you can only refine one ore type at a time. i've heard of corps letting rouge drone loot collect for months before putting them in the refinery, just because it takes so long to do one variety. you'd have to put a similar restraint on this beluga.

i'm just spewing ideas as i think of them, forgive my incoherency. i do like the idea of new ships, and carebears should be able to tout something huger than a rorqual.

this ship, its intended for low sec only, right?

Dran01
Posted - 2010.12.07 14:49:00 - [11]
 

Why do I suddenly want to take picures of a space whale in a giant ice cube

Darenthul
Posted - 2010.12.07 22:24:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Darenthul on 07/12/2010 22:29:14
So changes that have been brought up that I like. (and one or two I've been thinking about)

=Deploy to Industrial Mode to Refine Ore, takes Fuel Cores, long duration required to refine, vulnerable during this time, might be limited to one thing at a time, and incapable of using drones during this time
=Refinery Efficiency lowered drastically, making it more of an alternative to stations with a downfall.

See the thing I'm thinking about now is the idea of having it as a massive capital ship that other freighters are constantly docking with to pick up ore as it mines is kinda cool as well as the whole refinery thing, so if we were to dump the Refinery bit for a stringent "Massive Drone Mining Ship" that would be fine as well.

Also the idea of splitting into three ships (If I did dedicated "Drone Miners" I'd also like to petition for a lower tier one as well as a higher end capital) is one under consideration.

Thank you for the proper feedback =D

CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.08 08:13:00 - [13]
 

Trolling post removed.


Darenthul
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:21:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Trolling post removed.




<3 Thank you

Cyphree
Posted - 2010.12.17 22:15:00 - [15]
 

I dont really have anything meaningful to add to this. I just read it and wanted to say it sounds like a very cool concept. I personally like mining drones and wish that they could get some love. The refinery aspect Im not too keen about it but I'd definitely buy this ship

Darenthul
Posted - 2010.12.18 04:20:00 - [16]
 

Was kinda surprised to see this resurface =)

I always wanted Mining Drone dedicated ships.. something about seeing a swarm of "Slaves" working at an asteroid is a gorgeous sight to behold.

Marchocias
Posted - 2010.12.18 08:11:00 - [17]
 

I could see a mining drone ship working, so long as it cannot out-mine a hulk in any circumstances.

I would propose a ship which can mine 80% of a hulks max yeild, but which gets massive bonuses to drone range and mwd velocity, so the ships benefit is the ability to mine from a greater distance (eg, it is tactically safer).

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.18 09:09:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Jaik7
this will never be so.

the Hulk/orca team is simply too effective already.


Hulk could use a bit more mature tank, though; at ca. 14k EHP (if you want to fit other stuff, besides tank) it's not what one would expect from the top-model mining vessel. And a wee more CPU and PG wouldn't hurt, either.

darius mefrel
Posted - 2010.12.18 12:03:00 - [19]
 

ORE Beluga? wtf??

As i read the Thread Name i've got something like an "omgwtflol?-moment" Shocked because i insert a Model for an Beluga ORE-Gas-Mining-Barge for the Contest...Confused First i thought someone stealed my Idea here, but this is a totally different "Beluga" in here.Cool

Back to Topic:
Well i don't think that CCP will make an Capital-Mining-Ship, they already said that no ship will ever outmine an Hulk, but i Don't know maybe Chribba's Mining-Avatar already outmine them.. who knows..

Darenthul
Posted - 2010.12.18 15:53:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Darenthul on 18/12/2010 15:55:16
Originally by: Marchocias
I could see a mining drone ship working, so long as it cannot out-mine a hulk in any circumstances.

I would propose a ship which can mine 80% of a hulks max yeild, but which gets massive bonuses to drone range and mwd velocity, so the ships benefit is the ability to mine from a greater distance (eg, it is tactically safer).


After thinking about it, 80% of a Hulk's Yield but with huge Drone Range is a very nice thing, considering you could hit a good portion of a belt without moving. Make it a little more tanky, and you'd have a really nice miner for risky territory.

Should it keep a monstrous cargo hold though to make up for its ****ty speed?

Keith F
Caldari
United ALT Forces
Posted - 2010.12.20 13:02:00 - [21]
 

instead of mining in its own right why not give it FIGHTER(XL)Mining drones (max 20 with skills) that it can Assign to a fleet of Hulks/Miners.(Hulks could fit drone rigs if they want extra drones in stead of mining laser)

Give these XL miner Drones the ability to mine ANY target ie roids,offline structures/NPC structures, Cans,Wrecks and they can go clean up the galaxy as they go.That way we introduce salvage drones to the mix and give the Beluga a ROLE,

It has to be outside a POS (just) to launch Drones so it has some risk when being used and then re enter to DEPLOY to refine ore AND Compressed ore while Drones are out, with compressed ore giving better results and larger cycles as per mining array

Veliria
Posted - 2010.12.20 13:11:00 - [22]
 

The only new mining vessel EVE could use is a true ninja miner.
The Skiff doesn't really fill the role.

Mining the real good stuff right under someone's nose and having a ship that could make it so you can get away with it and still make a profit.
It would add an interesting aspect to mining, rather than just another UberHulkSmashVeldspar.

Morpheus Mishima
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.20 20:23:00 - [23]
 

For the n-th time... Please STOP posting "new" ideas about über mining ships!

It's simple math guys; If you increase mining yield, ore prices drop = loss / loss. OKAY?

This covers all the excuses:
# I just want a ship I can feel "safe" in.
# I want higher mining yield so I can get richer.
# I want something clever so that I can solo-mine all day and coincidentally contribute MASSIVELY to the macro-mining problem.
# I'm too cheap/sad/lonely to get in a corp or gang to cooperate.

Doctero
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2010.12.20 22:10:00 - [24]
 

I kind of like the idea of a huge, all-consuming beast of a mining ship just decimating belts... but the concern of ruining the mineral market and obsolescing the hulk etc is a valid one. What about taking this ship idea and making it a platform for roid/belt destruction?

Such that perhaps you can expect a slight increase in real yield over a hulk, but at the cost of having to move around A LOT, completely decimating belts in record times, because you're destroying 90% of the roid, getting 10% back in straight minerals.

Then this could be seen as an industrial pvp ship, designed to suck up all your enemies' resources, and increase the value of your own yield by creating a shortage.

Darenthul
Posted - 2010.12.21 05:31:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Morpheus Mishima
For the n-th time... Please STOP posting "new" ideas about über mining ships!

It's simple math guys; If you increase mining yield, ore prices drop = loss / loss. OKAY?

This covers all the excuses:
# I just want a ship I can feel "safe" in.
# I want higher mining yield so I can get richer.
# I want something clever so that I can solo-mine all day and coincidentally contribute MASSIVELY to the macro-mining problem.
# I'm too cheap/sad/lonely to get in a corp or gang to cooperate.


You kinda missed your own excuse for not reading the replies and just jumping straight from the main post into rambling mode.

I'm trying to form this into a serious suggestion, I do see how fragile the ore/mineral market is (that's why I've discussed various nerfs to the ship along the way in various replies) and I'm trying to maintain a serious discussion about the ship itself.

I think we have a couple options here..
-Make it a drone mining ship with a less ouput than a hulk overall, with bonuses to drone range, allowing distance mining at a reduced amount. This could work as either a Capital or non-Capital variant. Shouldn't be able to deploy drones within a POS shield though.
-Make it an Industrial Command Ship, supporting mining operations and requiring setup to properly use (Which the Rorqual already is)
-Make it a Mobile Refinery, requiring long setup times to refine ore and fuel to operate, risking your ship in low end space to properly support a large scale mining operation and refinery.

Morpheus Mishima
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.21 09:01:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Darenthul

You kinda missed your own excuse for not reading the replies and just jumping straight from the main post into rambling mode.

I'm trying to form this into a serious suggestion, I do see how fragile the ore/mineral market is (that's why I've discussed various nerfs to the ship along the way in various replies) and I'm trying to maintain a serious discussion about the ship itself.

I think we have a couple options here..
-Make it a drone mining ship with a less ouput than a hulk overall, with bonuses to drone range, allowing distance mining at a reduced amount. This could work as either a Capital or non-Capital variant. Shouldn't be able to deploy drones within a POS shield though.
-Make it an Industrial Command Ship, supporting mining operations and requiring setup to properly use (Which the Rorqual already is)
-Make it a Mobile Refinery, requiring long setup times to refine ore and fuel to operate, risking your ship in low end space to properly support a large scale mining operation and refinery.


You kinda don't get it, or do you?

Quote:
-Make it a drone mining ship with a less ouput than a hulk overall, with bonuses to drone range, allowing distance mining at a reduced amount. This could work as either a Capital or non-Capital variant. Shouldn't be able to deploy drones within a POS shield though.

Why? Mining drones are slow as hell, and what's the purpose? The reasons for limiting mining laser range is so that it will NOT be so easy to macro it.

Quote:
-Make it an Industrial Command Ship, supporting mining operations and requiring setup to properly use (Which the Rorqual already is)

We already have the Orca and the Rorqual, why do we need this?

Quote:
-Make it a Mobile Refinery, requiring long setup times to refine ore and fuel to operate, risking your ship in low end space to properly support a large scale mining operation and refinery.

Nobody who passes an sanity check would set up this ship in low-sec for a mining-op. Also.. Rorqual does this better because it can compress ore.


I can see no reason for adding this ship whatsoever.
The only reasons I've seen you post for this ship is if you're planning for a massive macro-mining bot farm. Which NOBODY wants.

Xercodo
Amarr
Xovoni Directorate
Posted - 2010.12.21 10:35:00 - [27]
 

make it JUST a miner and we're solid ^^

also needs a bonus to mining drone speed, as they take forever to return and drop off

during the all lvl 5 test weekend for Dominion last year I did a mining op with a Aeon and 20 mining drones and lemme tell ya, it was GLORIOUS

and after we did that math figure that just 20 T2 mining drones can beat a retriever, possibly a covetor (dont remember it was a while)

that may not sound like much but with drone bonuses it really could be quite the machine

i can see it now, every drone set to mind his own asteroid as this monster sits in the center of the belt, the captain sipping a coffee as they work

maybe THIS will give mining drones real purpose in EVE, since as of now they're just a wimpy supplement to normal ship-mounted lasers

Darenthul
Posted - 2010.12.21 17:05:00 - [28]
 

*sighs* I don't even own a freaking Hulk yet and you're accusing me of wanting a CAPITAL MINING VESSEL just for the sake of Macro/Bot farming ore.. Yea you got it, invented this whole idea just so I can single handedly bot with a ship I will never own.

I just thought it was a cool concept and I'm trying my best to keep everyone happy and make the damn thing work, and TRYING to balance it.

Xercodo
Amarr
Xovoni Directorate
Posted - 2010.12.22 07:26:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Darenthul
*sighs* I don't even own a freaking Hulk yet and you're accusing me of wanting a CAPITAL MINING VESSEL just for the sake of Macro/Bot farming ore.. Yea you got it, invented this whole idea just so I can single handedly bot with a ship I will never own.

I just thought it was a cool concept and I'm trying my best to keep everyone happy and make the damn thing work, and TRYING to balance it.


ya take some of the stuff mentioned into consideration and edit the first post

Darenthul
Posted - 2010.12.22 11:41:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Xercodo
Originally by: Darenthul
*sighs* I don't even own a freaking Hulk yet and you're accusing me of wanting a CAPITAL MINING VESSEL just for the sake of Macro/Bot farming ore.. Yea you got it, invented this whole idea just so I can single handedly bot with a ship I will never own.

I just thought it was a cool concept and I'm trying my best to keep everyone happy and make the damn thing work, and TRYING to balance it.


ya take some of the stuff mentioned into consideration and edit the first post


Yea I'll get around to it when I get home from work tonight, I really need to ><


 

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