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Joshua Cy
Posted - 2011.08.17 20:36:00 - [2611]
 

I do not think bots lower the price of minerals. The reason is many bots are not mining bots, they are mission bots, ratting bots and trading bots. All those make isk for the owner, and that isk is used to buy manufactured goods. All that ill gotten isk drives up demand and hence prices. Sure the mining bots add to supply, but even their owners use the isk to buy stuff.

So its not at all clear that killing all bots will result in a mineral price increase.

Since CCP started really working on the bot issue (March of this year) mineral prices have risen a little, but ice prices have really gone up. The only reason I can see for that is CCP has killed many ice mining bots. They were increasing the ice supply, but few bot owners bought ice products, leading to a ice supply reduction and higher prices.

Gratianus Augustus
Posted - 2011.08.18 00:31:00 - [2612]
 

Originally by: Joshua Cy
mineral prices have risen a little


Bot numbers haven't really changed, but around 20k less players per day might have had an impact.

Will be funny when they start seeding the market to cover it, so much for the smoke and mirrors of player run economy.

Don't worry, when DUST is released and these forums deleted, new kids will come, moral will improve and they can step-up the laundering again.

Henry Haphorn
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.18 00:55:00 - [2613]
 

Originally by: Anea Ruminare
This thread is getting useless.
A lot of ppl stopped giving a sh*t about these problems. Leave the game and start searching for smth new. From what we`ve seen from announces and blogs eve will only get more flashy with less intelligent content.

Start searching for new games, cause eve is dying and you don`t want more time invested in this game.
Also a lot of free fun games out there, Black Prophecy, World of Tanks.. etc.
You will get to my words sooner or later. It`s your choice.


And yet this thread managed to go beyond 80+ pages. If the Eve community never gave a crap, then this thread wouldn't have gotten this far.

Leisen
Caldari
Interrobang Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.18 02:33:00 - [2614]
 

Dunno, Henry. Seems to me a lot of posts in here are basically "I don't care," posts. And 80+ pages in over a year isn't impressive, imo...
Hell, I'm only posting out of boredom. Rolling Eyes

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.08.18 03:22:00 - [2615]
 

omg this thread is still around O.o

Cyaxares II
Posted - 2011.08.22 08:51:00 - [2616]
 

Edited by: Cyaxares II on 22/08/2011 08:53:24
rofl, wrote a post in this thread about a week ago shortly describing how I have been using a popular mission bot and how ccp did nothing (over more than half a year) to break that bot.

post gets deleted by ccp, my account remains unbanned. Laughing

have fun believing that ccp does care... Twisted Evil


Crucis Cassiopeiae
Amarr
PORSCHE AG
Posted - 2011.08.22 08:53:00 - [2617]
 

Originally by: Cyaxares II
rofl, wrote a post in this thread shortly describing how I have been using a popular mission bot and how ccp did nothing (over more than half a year) to break that bot.

post gets deleted by ccp, my account remains unbanned. Laughing

have fun believing that ccp does care... Twisted Evil





O.o

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.08.22 10:30:00 - [2618]
 

Originally by: Cyaxares II
Edited by: Cyaxares II on 22/08/2011 08:53:24
rofl, wrote a post in this thread about a week ago shortly describing how I have been using a popular mission bot and how ccp did nothing (over more than half a year) to break that bot.

post gets deleted by ccp, my account remains unbanned. Laughing

have fun believing that ccp does care... Twisted Evil




or you could be lying to make your epeen look bigger

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.08.22 12:38:00 - [2619]
 

Originally by: Cyaxares II
Edited by: Cyaxares II on 22/08/2011 08:53:24
rofl, wrote a post in this thread about a week ago shortly describing how I have been using a popular mission bot and how ccp did nothing (over more than half a year) to break that bot.

post gets deleted by ccp, my account remains unbanned. Laughing

have fun believing that ccp does care... Twisted Evil




I read it after you posted it.

Dude, CCP cares! They took time to painstakingly cover up your confession for you.

Prince Kobol
Posted - 2011.08.22 13:30:00 - [2620]
 

I would love to see the comparison of how many botters have been banned by your average high sec joe blogs to the RMT monsters of null sec alliance.

I suspect that it would be many high sec ave joe bloggs and a handful of your null sec RMT monsters

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.08.22 15:34:00 - [2621]
 

Originally by: Prince Kobol
I would love to see the comparison of how many botters have been banned by your average high sec joe blogs to the RMT monsters of null sec alliance.

I suspect that it would be many high sec ave joe bloggs and a handful of your null sec RMT monsters


You guys are asking for the wrong statistics.

What needs to be analyzed are which corps the people belong to who are banned. I'm betting that if such figures were released you'd see a fairly even application of bans to those in hisec and a very selective application to those in nullsec. I'm somewhat favoring the hypothesis that CCP is benefiting from RMT and so, its anti-botting efforts merely serve to reduce competition for those RMT'ers paying up to CCP.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.26 14:57:00 - [2622]
 

hey look!Data!!

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:08:00 - [2623]
 

Two year old data. We want equivalent data for the current effort.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.08.26 15:17:00 - [2624]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
Two year old data. We want equivalent data for the current effort.


You gotta wait two years for that Laughing

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.08.26 16:00:00 - [2625]
 

Actually the unholy rage data came out a few months after unholy rage. So it is about time for data on the current effort. CCP Sreegs has shown data to the CSM, and at a show in Las Vegas. But he has yet to make a blog for the rest of us.

Meridian Siri
Posted - 2011.08.27 00:41:00 - [2626]
 

Grown tired of counting the number of days for a solid response and the many broken promises (actually just stopped). You remaining players will see the second coming before you get a decent report from CCP on this issue or get them to follow through on promises to revisit dead content, etc.

Later suckers. (Accounts time out in 4 days)

Nemesis Factor
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.27 04:39:00 - [2627]
 

Edited by: Nemesis Factor on 27/08/2011 04:40:53
Originally by: Leisen
Dunno, Henry. Seems to me a lot of posts in here are basically "I don't care," posts. And 80+ pages in over a year isn't impressive, imo...
Hell, I'm only posting out of boredom. Rolling Eyes



>80+ pages in over a year
>in over a year
>over a year


HERP

Crucis Cassiopeiae
Amarr
PORSCHE AG
Posted - 2011.08.28 19:37:00 - [2628]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
Two year old data. We want equivalent data for the current effort.


+1

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2011.08.29 08:53:00 - [2629]
 

Arvasaras
20 randomly generated characters, eatch in CNR in 1 man corp with randomly generated name

Vellaine:
7 randomly generated characters, eatch in CNR in 1 man corp with randomly generated name

Akonoinen
12 randomly generated characters, eatch in CNR in 1 man corp with randomly generated name

Hageken:
>10 randomly generated characters, eatch in CNR in 1 man corp with randomly generated name

and so on

mission running bots are not being touched by CCP.

Kharvor
Posted - 2011.08.31 16:49:00 - [2630]
 

Edited by: Kharvor on 31/08/2011 16:49:32
Mendolus insisted that I post in this thread. So here I am.

As others have pointed out in this thread, a huge concentration of botting appears to be centered in a few select alliances.

Maybe CCP should look at a group accountability tactic. We've all been in corporations that have kicked members for botting (or smacktalk in merc corps). Maybe CCP needs to clamp down on those alliances and have them enforce no botting rules. When CCP finds a extensive use of bots in an alliance, that alliance gets a warning to make it stop. If it continues the alliance gets broken up, they lose their space, and all their stuff in that space.

If the bots are neuts then it should be no problem for those alliances to destroy the neut bots the same way they stringently enforce NBSI. If the bots continue to survive and thrive en masse like they are in the above linked systems then obviously that alliance can't control its residents and they lose their space and their stuff in that space.

Make botting something that can destroy an alliance and remove sov. Maybe then we'll see a drop.

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.08.31 18:15:00 - [2631]
 

Originally by: Rasz Lin
Arvasaras
20 randomly generated characters, eatch in CNR in 1 man corp with randomly generated name

Vellaine:
7 randomly generated characters, eatch in CNR in 1 man corp with randomly generated name

Akonoinen
12 randomly generated characters, eatch in CNR in 1 man corp with randomly generated name

Hageken:
>10 randomly generated characters, eatch in CNR in 1 man corp with randomly generated name

and so on

mission running bots are not being touched by CCP.



Its possible those are all gold farmers and being run by an actual person. CCP cannot ban then until they actually RMT, and then the farmers just start a new account.

At the Las Vegas show CCP Sreegs says they are dealing with the issue of what determines the identity of the PLAYER. I assume its to deal with the above issue, so they can ban the player and stop them from just starting a new account, once banned.

Ager Agemo
Caldari
Care Factor
Posted - 2011.09.01 17:01:00 - [2632]
 

DIE BOTS DIE!

Avila Cracko
Posted - 2011.09.03 11:59:00 - [2633]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
Two year old data. We want equivalent data for the current effort.


^^ this!

Crucis Cassiopeiae
Amarr
PORSCHE AG
Posted - 2011.09.03 22:03:00 - [2634]
 

anything new here?

Wizlawz
Posted - 2011.09.04 00:26:00 - [2635]
 

Edited by: Wizlawz on 04/09/2011 00:28:17
i am asssuming BOTTING as in macros?

but what is RMT??

either way im sure it sux.

MarVAqN
Posted - 2011.09.04 01:08:00 - [2636]
 

Playing Devil's Advocate.

EVE is a game, and by comparison one of the better ones. Now while I see the issue of bots has not decreased, I do not see the All out war against them making much difference. In the nearly 6 years of Gameplay and the thousands of posts from angry miners complaining about mining bots, all I can say is SO WHAT. If there is someone using a bot program to mine while he is at work making an honest wage, then comes home to play the game I say more power to them. I have been hearing that BOT WILL DESTROY THE ECONOMY for those same 6 years, and guess what It has not happened. The market in EVE is more resilient than the real world markets they emulate, and the sky is falling predictions are less about change then they are about Miners too afraid to go Low or Null to find roids to mine. Real life mining is long and painstakingly dull, I for one don't want to mine 7 hours to build a ship and play for only 2 hours, lose it to a Ganker or NPC and have to repeat the long drudgery of mining.

If EvE is supposed to be a sandbox, where the economy and the universe is created by the players, don't you think automated mining devices would have been invented by now? and for that don't you think being able to talk to an agent while is space would have been figured out as well? I'm just sayin' is all....

Look Bots are not so bad, Even if some guys spends 14 hours mining using a bot and buys stuff on the market he is still putting money into circulation. If that same guy mines on his own for 14 hours he will still buy something on the market, and the Capitalistic wheel goes round and round. Okay so you have gold farmers, Big deal if someone buys gold they run the risks of A. getting caught by CCP and getting banned or B. They Could get their account hacked and have all their "possessions" stolen. But as CCP says these things are in the realm of real life intrigue, espionage and risk that EVE is supposed to represent.

Besides there is an option C. If you use a bot to mine, and you are found out, you make yourself a target for suicide Gankers. And for me I like Ninja salvaging those.Cool

Well that's my OTHER View of things.

Stibbins
Posted - 2011.09.04 07:47:00 - [2637]
 

The fallacy here is that bots don't harm anyone.

Everything in Eve is competitive. If there were no bots then certain easily botted activities like mining and level 4s would become much more lucrative and attract more non-cheating players to participate.

Novon Toll
Posted - 2011.09.05 22:55:00 - [2638]
 

Mining Bots are big a problem. It'd be less of one if CCP didn't make hulks and mac's able to sit in asteroid fields and rep without worry of destruction in Empire. That and CCP doesn't do anything but 'investigate' when your report bots...

Rykuss
Gallente
Posted - 2011.09.06 00:29:00 - [2639]
 

Originally by: MarVAqN
Playing Devil's Advocate.

EVE is a game, and by comparison one of the better ones. Now while I see the issue of bots has not decreased, I do not see the All out war against them making much difference. In the nearly 6 years of Gameplay and the thousands of posts from angry miners complaining about mining bots, all I can say is SO WHAT. If there is someone using a bot program to mine while he is at work making an honest wage, then comes home to play the game I say more power to them. I have been hearing that BOT WILL DESTROY THE ECONOMY for those same 6 years, and guess what It has not happened. The market in EVE is more resilient than the real world markets they emulate, and the sky is falling predictions are less about change then they are about Miners too afraid to go Low or Null to find roids to mine. Real life mining is long and painstakingly dull, I for one don't want to mine 7 hours to build a ship and play for only 2 hours, lose it to a Ganker or NPC and have to repeat the long drudgery of mining.
If EvE is supposed to be a sandbox, where the economy and the universe is created by the players, don't you think automated mining devices would have been invented by now? and for that don't you think being able to talk to an agent while is space would have been figured out as well? I'm just sayin' is all....

Look Bots are not so bad, Even if some guys spends 14 hours mining using a bot and buys stuff on the market he is still putting money into circulation. If that same guy mines on his own for 14 hours he will still buy something on the market, and the Capitalistic wheel goes round and round. Okay so you have gold farmers, Big deal if someone buys gold they run the risks of A. getting caught by CCP and getting banned or B. They Could get their account hacked and have all their "possessions" stolen. But as CCP says these things are in the realm of real life intrigue, espionage and risk that EVE is supposed to represent.

Besides there is an option C. If you use a bot to mine, and you are found out, you make yourself a target for suicide Gankers. And for me I like Ninja salvaging those.Cool

Well that's my OTHER View of things.



In eve, like life, noone owes you a damn thing. If only you people could get that through your thick skulls. It's your responsibility to keep you stocked with isk to buy things, not CCP's. Incursions and missions give out stupid amounts of isk, incursions moreso. Use that isk to buy stuff. Who the hell "mines for seven hours to build a ship, then plays for two hours, gets blown up and starts the process over?" lolwut?!! You don't even have to mine, all you need is isk. Stop trying to do everything, decide what it is you want to do and then do it. Maybe then you'll quit spouting these ridiculous claims and presenting ridiculous scenarios for your argument.

Elanor Vega
Posted - 2011.09.06 13:20:00 - [2640]
 

bump for this problem


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