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Moon Shadowfall
Posted - 2011.07.25 21:09:00 - [2581]
 

Originally by: Jon Ferguson
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
You do your job and you'll have no complaints from me.


I find that very hard to believe.


What's hard to believe? I give CCP credit when they get it right. I give CCP employees credit when they get it right. Doesn't Turbefield work for CCP?

And I misspelled verisimilitude, sorry, my bad.


He doesn't believe you have the ability to...not complain, since you do it multiple times a day, in multiple threads.

Jon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.25 21:19:00 - [2582]
 

Originally by: Moon Shadowfall
Originally by: Jon Ferguson
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
You do your job and you'll have no complaints from me.


I find that very hard to believe.


What's hard to believe? I give CCP credit when they get it right. I give CCP employees credit when they get it right. Doesn't Turbefield work for CCP?

And I misspelled verisimilitude, sorry, my bad.


He doesn't believe you have the ability to...not complain, since you do it multiple times a day, in multiple threads.

Faulty logic aside, have some evidence, maybe that'll help.

Moon Shadowfall
Posted - 2011.07.25 21:32:00 - [2583]
 

Edited by: Moon Shadowfall on 25/07/2011 21:32:48
Originally by: Jon Ferguson


Faulty logic aside, have some evidence, maybe that'll help.


It takes about 30 seconds most days to run into a post where you are whining and crying.

Yesterday there were 5 threads in which you were doing so..on the first page. A quick check just now....about 2 minutes...show three threads where you are being...an "ass".

Quite easy actually...

Severian Carnifex
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.26 11:53:00 - [2584]
 

Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: edith prickley
Edited by: edith prickley on 20/07/2011 19:54:19
Yup, given that Sreegs has been quiet for a couple of months now and they've silently removed his policy sticky (a very strange move), I'm beginning to have more faith in the botters' point of view: CCP is really just paying lip service to this problem.

Well, we've heard it from Hilmar himself. Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.

So CCP, what are you doing?


Banning botters




Nice to hear that... but i would like to see that too...

Tsukimaru
Amarr
Stargate SG-1
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.07.26 12:33:00 - [2585]
 

Only YOU can prevent forum fires. Cool

Hawk Firestorm
Posted - 2011.07.26 13:01:00 - [2586]
 

Edited by: Hawk Firestorm on 26/07/2011 13:34:05
Well those that truely want to help stop boting then go into features and Ideas and find the post I and other made regarding Mining changes in the Fix mining dont spot bots outsmart them thread.

There's a proposal there to stop em stone cold dead.

And give it your support.

But yes I agree this and many other areas of eve should have been settled and designed out of the game years ago.

Its CCP's failing in the design dept and lack of understanding of fundemetal design priciples that has allowed it to raise its head in the first place like so many other bad elements of eve.

Not allowing multiple characters on the same account to train as per beta, allowing and positively encouraging alt accounts and allowing multiple clients to run at the same time.

And forcing a user to specialise when most like to do a bit of this and a bit of that, encouraging alts even further.

Making mining and staring at a rock tedious and as much fun as pulling your teeth out with a pair of pliers, making people look at automated get arounds and slowing the income stream down, while increasing the cost of ever higher end content.

Feawin
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
Posted - 2011.07.26 13:15:00 - [2587]
 

Edited by: Feawin on 26/07/2011 13:15:52
Only professional l33ts like yourselves can manage to make a thread with serious undertone into a flame-bash thread that CCP now doesnt even bother to read.

As for the OPs original complaint:
~Signed

And before anyone asks, yes im mad.

Sanwa Dufore
Posted - 2011.07.28 04:40:00 - [2588]
 

Noise..... Just keeping it going.

Sanwa Dufore
Posted - 2011.07.30 00:19:00 - [2589]
 

Guess the thread is deadSad

Crucis Cassiopeiae
Amarr
PORSCHE AG
Posted - 2011.08.12 19:49:00 - [2590]
 

Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae on 12/08/2011 19:50:03

Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Vincent Athena
CCP Sreggs: Any word on when we get your blog on the anti-bot effort?


I'm putting out a blog in the next week.


that was posted: "Posted - 2011.05.12 10:20:00 - [2455] - "



that's one looooong week...


anything new on this subject?

Joeve Vess
Posted - 2011.08.12 20:39:00 - [2591]
 

I do not think that CPP is Being Complacent about botting they would have really nothing to gain and everything to lose by not banning them.

Kendra Wilkinson
Posted - 2011.08.12 20:42:00 - [2592]
 

Quote:
"there's no bot in our game, just ppl who play every day and 23h/24 in belt"

Kogh Ayon
Posted - 2011.08.12 20:45:00 - [2593]
 

Originally by: Kendra Wilkinson
Quote:
"there's no bot in our game, just ppl who play every day and 23h/24 in belt"



They doing missions now, the new advanced macros can do most lv4 missions and reject difficult ones. Dozens of bots are now active around caldari mission hubs.

Rykuss
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.13 00:07:00 - [2594]
 

They've adapted, which was to be expected but you can still find mining bots. Some people chat in local everyday after downtime for about fifteen minutes and then leave their bot to run for the rest of the time the server is up. They've added something to their bio's and all that but the one thing they can't mask is their pattern. I frequent several regions and after a while, you see the pattern.

Izida
Caldari
EVE-EX Express Courier Service
Posted - 2011.08.13 00:07:00 - [2595]
 

Edited by: Izida on 13/08/2011 00:10:09
Any updates from CCP yet on this?

Cadet Wiggin
Posted - 2011.08.13 00:35:00 - [2596]
 

Originally by: Rykuss
They've adapted, which was to be expected but you can still find mining bots. Some people chat in local everyday after downtime for about fifteen minutes and then leave their bot to run for the rest of the time the server is up. They've added something to their bio's and all that but the one thing they can't mask is their pattern. I frequent several regions and after a while, you see the pattern.


Then your only seeing a small portion of them, a quality coder will input some randomness just for people like you...;-)

I really can't believe this thread has gone on this long, you won't make a dent in it, you never will. It's been a part of the Eve economy since the beginning, and will continue to do so.
They don't have the ability to catch that many simply because catching them would require an invasion of people's personal computer, this is still frowned upon in most countries.

Besides you'll see a serious inflationary spiral in everything related to manufacture, as well as serious deflation in GTC prices, as the bots will no longer be purchasing them.

Laughing

Not to mention the number of accounts that would be lost to CCP. If they actually found a way to boot all the bots, they'd also lose the small players who use them to "Keep up with the Joneses"

Could CCP handle the loss of 30% of it's accounts?

(Could actually be more, I'm simply guessing based on my experience of years of 0.0)

For the record, I don't advocate Bots, or use them. I usually will try and kill them when I find them, but those are only the obvious ones.

But to think you'll ever get rid of them? That is naive beyond belief.
They exist in every major mmo, and no one has been able to stop them yet. Do you honestly think CCP's coders have what it takes?
Think carefully before answering....Cool


Rykuss
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.13 01:11:00 - [2597]
 

Originally by: Cadet Wiggin
Originally by: Rykuss
They've adapted, which was to be expected but you can still find mining bots. Some people chat in local everyday after downtime for about fifteen minutes and then leave their bot to run for the rest of the time the server is up. They've added something to their bio's and all that but the one thing they can't mask is their pattern. I frequent several regions and after a while, you see the pattern.


Then your only seeing a small portion of them, a quality coder will input some randomness just for people like you...;-)

I really can't believe this thread has gone on this long, you won't make a dent in it, you never will. It's been a part of the Eve economy since the beginning, and will continue to do so.
They don't have the ability to catch that many simply because catching them would require an invasion of people's personal computer, this is still frowned upon in most countries.

Besides you'll see a serious inflationary spiral in everything related to manufacture, as well as serious deflation in GTC prices, as the bots will no longer be purchasing them.

Laughing

Not to mention the number of accounts that would be lost to CCP. If they actually found a way to boot all the bots, they'd also lose the small players who use them to "Keep up with the Joneses"

Could CCP handle the loss of 30% of it's accounts?

(Could actually be more, I'm simply guessing based on my experience of years of 0.0)

For the record, I don't advocate Bots, or use them. I usually will try and kill them when I find them, but those are only the obvious ones.

But to think you'll ever get rid of them? That is naive beyond belief.
They exist in every major mmo, and no one has been able to stop them yet. Do you honestly think CCP's coders have what it takes?
Think carefully before answering....Cool




People like me report your accounts for botting, it's pretty effortless really. I right click and report the ebil botter. Why, you might ask? It gives me a warm fuzzy feeling in my special places. I like your doom and gloom assessment though(EVE will die without botters!!111), it's pretty funny and has been mentioned multiple times already. Thanks for sharing. Laughing

Henry Haphorn
Gallente
Posted - 2011.08.13 02:13:00 - [2598]
 

Originally by: Cadet Wiggin


Then your only seeing a small portion of them, a quality coder will input some randomness just for people like you...;-)

I really can't believe this thread has gone on this long, you won't make a dent in it, you never will. It's been a part of the Eve economy since the beginning, and will continue to do so.
They don't have the ability to catch that many simply because catching them would require an invasion of people's personal computer, this is still frowned upon in most countries.

Besides you'll see a serious inflationary spiral in everything related to manufacture, as well as serious deflation in GTC prices, as the bots will no longer be purchasing them.

Laughing

Not to mention the number of accounts that would be lost to CCP. If they actually found a way to boot all the bots, they'd also lose the small players who use them to "Keep up with the Joneses"

Could CCP handle the loss of 30% of it's accounts?

(Could actually be more, I'm simply guessing based on my experience of years of 0.0)

For the record, I don't advocate Bots, or use them. I usually will try and kill them when I find them, but those are only the obvious ones.

But to think you'll ever get rid of them? That is naive beyond belief.
They exist in every major mmo, and no one has been able to stop them yet. Do you honestly think CCP's coders have what it takes?
Think carefully before answering....Cool




Just because the bots out number the bot hunters, it doesn't mean we have no choice but to stand aside and let them continue to infest our universe like a disease. We all know that we can't possibly get rid of all diseases, but at the very least we have to contain it to manageable levels.

I'm speaking from from a realistic point of view here.

Let's also not forget that other MMOs have their own bot hunters as well. From what I can gather, every MMO has an increasing awareness about the presence of bots in their game. Some have even mustered their own player-driven causes to combat the infestation. Of course, Eve Online is probably one of a few (if not the only) games that allow players to directly retaliate against others without the target's approval. It is perhaps that very reason that has enable us Capsuleers to keep the bot users on their toes.

But anyways, I have seen many excuses that bot users have employed to justify their use of bot programs or the existence thereof.

1. Mining is boring.
2. Missions are boring.
3. Markets are boring.
4. I don't have time to mission/mine because I have a life.
5. I can't mine enough minerals on my own because the prices are so low.

The list goes on. Some bot users admittedly don't even hide the fact that they bot (these sort of bot users usually live in 0.0).

Now the issue we are having is the debate about where bots flourish most: High-sec or Null-sec? Some of us will say it's high-sec because of the protection of Concord as well as the anti-war-dec policies that npc corps have. Others will say it's null-sec because the protection they have with the local alliance (not to mention the ease of spotting a red in local). It's this debate that has probably divided bot hunters for a while, especially since resources for the gankers are limited.

mkint
Posted - 2011.08.13 02:25:00 - [2599]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Ferguson
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Banning non-goon botters while I spew buzzwords and happytalk in an effort to gain more influence at CCP like the rest of the circle-jerks who work here.


FYP (My condolences.)

Best "eve is dying" post ever. CCPers, transfer your pensions into something better than CCP stock, because those are the symptoms of a company who's management is too incompetent to handle it's size.

Gratianus Augustus
Posted - 2011.08.13 02:28:00 - [2600]
 

Edited by: Gratianus Augustus on 13/08/2011 02:30:43
Asking for bots to be policed is like asking Bj÷rgˇlfur Thor Bj÷rgˇlfsson to just give his money to charity.

Not going to happen.

Originally by: Cadet Wiggin

Could CCP handle the loss of 30% of it's accounts?



The actual players are just a crowd to hide in. They don't need too many now with the larger transactions that can be pushed through the system.

Serene Repose
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.08.13 02:53:00 - [2601]
 

Wow! 2600 responses. Are people still botting?

Dusty Warrior
Posted - 2011.08.13 03:10:00 - [2602]
 

Edited by: Dusty Warrior on 13/08/2011 03:10:51

I've listened to many players openly admit on coms they use bot for numerous things.

Wanna guess where? You got it! 0.0 sov.

Primary reason why I stay in hi or lo sec. Sad part, it's widely accepted and if you talk against it in many of the 0.0 alliances you will find yourself booted.

Sad... only way some people feel they can play a game is to cheat.

Elanor Vega
Posted - 2011.08.13 13:25:00 - [2603]
 

Originally by: Izida
Edited by: Izida on 13/08/2011 00:10:09
Any updates from CCP yet on this?

Crucis Cassiopeiae
Amarr
PORSCHE AG
Posted - 2011.08.16 09:37:00 - [2604]
 

Edited by: Crucis Cassiopeiae on 16/08/2011 09:39:44

I open EVE forums this morning and see one topic named "Winter expansion... because bots need more love"... and i must agree on it... no banning bots or doing things to make theirs life harder and buffing the main "land" where they live... nice message from CCP... Rolling Eyes

Anea Ruminare
Posted - 2011.08.16 09:48:00 - [2605]
 

This thread is getting useless.
A lot of ppl stopped giving a sh*t about these problems. Leave the game and start searching for smth new. From what we`ve seen from announces and blogs eve will only get more flashy with less intelligent content.

Start searching for new games, cause eve is dying and you don`t want more time invested in this game.
Also a lot of free fun games out there, Black Prophecy, World of Tanks.. etc.
You will get to my words sooner or later. It`s your choice.

Vlad Chistian
Posted - 2011.08.16 10:02:00 - [2606]
 

Next thing you know, RMTers will be selling Monocles for far cheaper than you could get them with PLEX YARRRR!!
What? No. I didn't buy one! Honest. Surprised

Bots: ruining your business since forever.

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.08.16 11:58:00 - [2607]
 

Edited by: Mr Kidd on 16/08/2011 12:04:19
Originally by: Dusty Warrior
Edited by: Dusty Warrior on 13/08/2011 03:10:51

I've listened to many players openly admit on coms they use bot for numerous things.

Wanna guess where? You got it! 0.0 sov.

Primary reason why I stay in hi or lo sec. Sad part, it's widely accepted and if you talk against it in many of the 0.0 alliances you will find yourself booted.

Sad... only way some people feel they can play a game is to cheat.


I'm going to theorycraft a bit here.

So, CCP has been ineffective at removing bots from the game. Sure, they've had their periods where they say they have removed bots but, they've never indicated where the bots operated, who they were, what corps they belonged to, etc.

What we do know is RMT is rampant in nullsec. In fact, you cannot exist in nullsec without paying up to large alliance which pay up to larger coalitions funding a few large entities with buttloads of isk. Even through the periods where CCP has publicly announced their botting efforts, RMT has remained viable. In fact, large wars were conducted - NC & DRF supposedly during such efforts.

Now, we have the blueprint for the next 5 years. Basically, anything profitable in hisec will become the sole domain of nullsec.

My question is this: Are all of CCP's "botting" efforts and the new nullsec blueprint merely a means to eliminate competition for RMT'ers from which CCP may benefit directly and financially?

As much as CCP talked up it's disdain for RMT, it's not illegal. CCP's EULA, while stating that botting, in very vague terminology, is bad, could merely be a means for CCP to "legitimize" selective account bans in order to protect their own interests and eliminate competition. Afterall, we have no data to know who, what, where and when.

Discuss.


Avila Cracko
Posted - 2011.08.16 23:09:00 - [2608]
 

yay... security blog is here...
but... i must say... i expected something completely different of "where is report bot button" devblog... Rolling Eyes

Gratianus Augustus
Posted - 2011.08.17 04:53:00 - [2609]
 

For those that actually want to play this scam, you shouldn't have to wait too long for bots to be reduced.

Once "Site Licenses" and the new currency are settled in properly CCP will just pump their fraud through there instead and the vast majority of bots will be turned off over-night. They just chew too much server resources, thin-client or not. Only problem will be keeping all the "workers" fed with revenue stream so they don't turn against the family.

Leisen
Caldari
Interrobang Inc.
Posted - 2011.08.17 04:59:00 - [2610]
 

I, as someone who does not mine, hope they never get rid of bots. They keep minerals cheap, and in turn keep manufactured goods cheap. And I do love my manufactured goods. Very Happy


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