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Sue Shee
Posted - 2011.05.31 19:25:00 - [2491]
 

A lot of the botters i have noticed tend to focus on ice belts.
I went to kamio the other day and i saw 140 in local, 90% of them where at the ice belt and the amount of blatent botters i noticed it must have been about 25% bots, just by sitting at the belt watching them warping off and back all the time was unbelievable.
The amount of griefers i noticed harassing the jetcan miners made me wonder that bot mining is actually so much more appealing because of this.Evil or Very Mad

Tabbie Te'Jir
Posted - 2011.06.01 16:29:00 - [2492]
 

CCP needs to find a solution. This topic is getting old. Unless of course CCP cares little for people that play their game the way it was meant to be played...present and accounted for at ones keyboard.

Corina's Bodyguard
Posted - 2011.06.01 16:33:00 - [2493]
 

Originally by: Tabbie Te'Jir
CCP needs to find a solution. This topic is getting old. Unless of course CCP cares little for people that play their game the way it was meant to be played...present and accounted for at ones keyboard.

Currently, the only solution available that doesn't lead to hundreds of false positives is the one they are using. A slow investigative one. I think they are doing a fine job for what they are up against.

NinjaSpud
Posted - 2011.06.01 16:37:00 - [2494]
 

Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
Originally by: Tabbie Te'Jir
CCP needs to find a solution. This topic is getting old. Unless of course CCP cares little for people that play their game the way it was meant to be played...present and accounted for at ones keyboard.

Currently, the only solution available that doesn't lead to hundreds of false positives is the one they are using. A slow investigative one. I think they are doing a fine job for what they are up against.


07 to the readers of the original anti bot threadnaught Very Happy

Lets also keep in mind, my intel channel "Bot Grief" has lead to ganking many suspected botters. A few of them even admit it and have been war dec'd.

If you wanna help, join us. Enough ****ed off eve players are taking a stand against the botters.

Tabbie Te'Jir
Posted - 2011.06.01 16:42:00 - [2495]
 

Edited by: Tabbie Te''Jir on 01/06/2011 16:42:12
Originally by: NinjaSpud
Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
Originally by: Tabbie Te'Jir
CCP needs to find a solution. This topic is getting old. Unless of course CCP cares little for people that play their game the way it was meant to be played...present and accounted for at ones keyboard.

Currently, the only solution available that doesn't lead to hundreds of false positives is the one they are using. A slow investigative one. I think they are doing a fine job for what they are up against.


07 to the readers of the original anti bot threadnaught Very Happy

Lets also keep in mind, my intel channel "Bot Grief" has lead to ganking many suspected botters. A few of them even admit it and have been war dec'd.

If you wanna help, join us. Enough ****ed off eve players are taking a stand against the botters.


This issue should not be left up solely for the players to confront. CCP should be more actively participating in finding a solution. As I said earlier, this has been an ongoing issue for years and CCP's investigative measures are not all that effective since botting is at an all time high and more prevalent than ever.

Adelain Niska
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2011.06.01 21:08:00 - [2496]
 

Originally by: Sue Shee
90% of them where at the ice belt and the amount of blatent botters i noticed it must have been about 25% bots, just by sitting at the belt watching them warping off and back all the time was unbelievable.


By what method did you determine who the bots were? Was it just because they were warping back to a station to empty their holds? Was it more than this? Just curious.

Avila Cracko
Posted - 2011.06.03 10:19:00 - [2497]
 

Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Vincent Athena
CCP Sreggs: Any word on when we get your blog on the anti-bot effort?


I'm putting out a blog in the next week.



Sorry... but i want to ask one thing:
where is that blog on the anti-bot effort?

it's 3 weeks passed from quoted post...

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.06.03 10:53:00 - [2498]
 

Wouldn't it be a good idea to just start a forum where people post the names of suspected / known botters. If they don't start disappearing we will have our answer. And on top of that could quite easily help this whole situation?

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.03 11:19:00 - [2499]
 

Originally by: Sue Shee
A lot of the botters i have noticed tend to focus on ice belts.
I went to kamio the other day and i saw 140 in local, 90% of them where at the ice belt and the amount of blatent botters i noticed it must have been about 25% bots, just by sitting at the belt watching them warping off and back all the time was unbelievable.
The amount of griefers i noticed harassing the jetcan miners made me wonder that bot mining is actually so much more appealing because of this.Evil or Very Mad


You are wrong, in fact it's the often the opposite.

Ice mining is so stupid and long time that a guy needs to warp to belt, press F1 F2, return 20 mins later, dock and unload. Ice mining is GAME botted by mere (lack of) mechanics.

Minerals mining instead requires someone to check that the roid did not deplete every 1.5 minutes or so and possibly to use a survey scanner to avoid mining half cycles.
Plus lasers charges need to be changed etc.
At the same time, the big Hulk cargo hold *could* make it possible to unload very seldom.
This is exactly where the bot gets used. Since the hold is so big but the lasers are annoying, they use a bot to automate it.

Better Than You
Posted - 2011.06.03 11:33:00 - [2500]
 

This game is ruined by botters and RMT. Now they are hiring mercenaries to kick out the real players from the space they busted their as off to build. Why? For more and better space to bot.

Great job with the anomaly change CCP. Between your lack of dealing with botters, RMT and the anomaly change, you destroyed the north and ruined this game.

What is even more disturbing is to see certain groups who helped the botters take over the north. Players like PL, NCdot and others; You people are soulless bastards. All you are doing is hurting yourselves!

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.03 11:44:00 - [2501]
 

Originally by: Better Than You
This game is ruined by botters and RMT. Now they are hiring mercenaries to kick out the real players from the space they busted their as off to build. Why? For more and better space to bot.

Great job with the anomaly change CCP. Between your lack of dealing with botters, RMT and the anomaly change, you destroyed the north and ruined this game.

What is even more disturbing is to see certain groups who helped the botters take over the north. Players like PL, NCdot and others; You people are soulless bastards. All you are doing is hurting yourselves!



Rofl. Not that the DRF dont bot, everyone knows they do, but the inhabitants of Deklein, Branch, Venal and Tenal were almost all members of the .exe family. At best this was a turf war.

Severian Carnifex
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.03 14:16:00 - [2502]
 

Edited by: Severian Carnifex on 03/06/2011 14:21:22

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Better Than You
This game is ruined by botters and RMT. Now they are hiring mercenaries to kick out the real players from the space they busted their as off to build. Why? For more and better space to bot.

Great job with the anomaly change CCP. Between your lack of dealing with botters, RMT and the anomaly change, you destroyed the north and ruined this game.

What is even more disturbing is to see certain groups who helped the botters take over the north. Players like PL, NCdot and others; You people are soulless bastards. All you are doing is hurting yourselves!



Rofl. Not that the DRF dont bot, everyone knows they do, but the inhabitants of Deklein, Branch, Venal and Tenal were almost all members of the .exe family. At best this was a turf war.



Well... i would LOVE to see that RMT/Botting Gods become little man once again... and how would things be then when every player could be even... and outcome of wars depends only of SP and skills of a real player and not how many Botts => ISK => $$$ that person has...

you see... i wrote "wars" not "battles" because battle is nothing when some person have infinite funds to found infinite number of battles... and that war is not a war any more... its genocide of all ppl that don't have infinite funds (read: "all ppl that don't use Botts")

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Severian Carnifex
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.03 21:40:00 - [2503]
 

Originally by: Avila Cracko
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Vincent Athena
CCP Sreggs: Any word on when we get your blog on the anti-bot effort?


I'm putting out a blog in the next week.



Sorry... but i want to ask one thing:
where is that blog on the anti-bot effort?

it's 3 weeks passed from quoted post...

Rens Runner
Posted - 2011.06.03 23:28:00 - [2504]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
Does anyone here believe that with maximal effort to the extent that CCP could wage war on bots without adversely affecting legit players that we'll be completely bot free?

Very seriously my answer would be NO.

I suggest that CCP stop fighting the bots. People are botting for isk, because content is just Fing boring, they don't have 30 hours a day to play Eve in a competitive way, the grind is just too Fing long in this game. Don't tell me the grind isn't too long. I live in a wh. On most days 200mil/hour PVE is very possible. It still just isn't enough when you consider all the isk sinks, operational costs, etc.

So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.




This has got to be one of the dumbest suggestions that i've seen on the forums yet.

If everybody has a bot printing isk for them then why have isk at all? Just make everything free. It's the same thing. Your suggestion is just a back door way of removing the death penalty.

Zleon Leigh
Posted - 2011.06.03 23:34:00 - [2505]
 

Originally by: Digital Messiah
Wouldn't it be a good idea to just start a forum where people post the names of suspected / known botters. If they don't start disappearing we will have our answer. And on top of that could quite easily help this whole situation?


And give the botters a heads up that they have been noticed so they can close down, cash out, and get away without consequence? No.

Just report suspect to CCP and let them get what's coming to them. If you get fair trades, min prices rise and you find more rats to kill - then you know.


Fix Lag
Posted - 2011.06.03 23:56:00 - [2506]
 


Henry Haphorn
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.04 01:35:00 - [2507]
 

Originally by: Tabbie Te'Jir
Edited by: Tabbie Te''Jir on 01/06/2011 16:42:12
Originally by: NinjaSpud
Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
Originally by: Tabbie Te'Jir
CCP needs to find a solution. This topic is getting old. Unless of course CCP cares little for people that play their game the way it was meant to be played...present and accounted for at ones keyboard.

Currently, the only solution available that doesn't lead to hundreds of false positives is the one they are using. A slow investigative one. I think they are doing a fine job for what they are up against.


07 to the readers of the original anti bot threadnaught Very Happy

Lets also keep in mind, my intel channel "Bot Grief" has lead to ganking many suspected botters. A few of them even admit it and have been war dec'd.

If you wanna help, join us. Enough ****ed off eve players are taking a stand against the botters.


This issue should not be left up solely for the players to confront. CCP should be more actively participating in finding a solution. As I said earlier, this has been an ongoing issue for years and CCP's investigative measures are not all that effective since botting is at an all time high and more prevalent than ever.


The flaw in your argument is that you assume that CCP is not even trying to find a solution. If anything, judging from the reports that I have seen from my fellow bot hunters, the ban hammer has been striking quite a bit with as much accuracy as possible. It's like being a surgeon in an operating. The surgeon (CCP) wants to remove the tumor (bots/RMT) from the patient (Eve), but he has to use a scalpel to achieve that because using an axe to cut the limb will do the patient no good.

You are correct in your assumption that the capsuleers can't do fight this war alone. But then again, neither could CCP. However, when these forces combine, they can create a serious threat to the RMTs/botters. We now have spies within the botting community providing critical intel in the war against bots while our scouts (flying through highsec, lowsec and nullsec) and trackers are observing and reporting bots to CCP in several ways.

In essence, we are forcing the bots/RMTs into a war of three fronts: one front being pushed by CCP's ban hammer, the second being pushed by the capsuleers' resolve, the third and final front being pushed by spies within the bot community (whose identities remain a secret).

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.04 02:09:00 - [2508]
 

Quote:
Rofl. Not that the DRF dont bot, everyone knows they do, but the...


Why is that? because everyone says they do? If you want to be taken seriously don't start your post with a strawman.

You know what I'm talking about, "everyone knows that whites are smarter than blacks; everyone knows that men are smarter than women; everyone knows that whites can't jump, dance, or play basketball". Just because some people say that alot doesn't make any of it true.

Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
Posted - 2011.06.04 05:09:00 - [2509]
 

10/10 Thread, some good laughs.

Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.04 05:21:00 - [2510]
 

Originally by: Barbara Nichole
Quote:
Rofl. Not that the DRF dont bot, everyone knows they do, but the...


Why is that? because everyone says they do? If you want to be taken seriously don't start your post with a strawman.

You know what I'm talking about, "everyone knows that whites are smarter than blacks; everyone knows that men are smarter than women; everyone knows that whites can't jump, dance, or play basketball". Just because some people say that alot doesn't make any of it true.



These statements are always said based on studies. People tend to extreme them but still they started from reserching.

Avila Cracko
Posted - 2011.06.05 09:28:00 - [2511]
 

This thread is now 6 months old... thread about cca 6 years old problem...

So HAPPY 6 MONTHS TO THIS THREAD... :D


Pithum Nullifier
Posted - 2011.06.05 16:44:00 - [2512]
 

Just close the RED Citizen Alliance and 80% of all bots are gone.

UGWidowmaker
Caldari
freelancers inc
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2011.06.05 19:44:00 - [2513]
 

kill em all

bornaa
Posted - 2011.06.06 13:07:00 - [2514]
 

Originally by: Avila Cracko
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Vincent Athena
CCP Sreggs: Any word on when we get your blog on the anti-bot effort?


I'm putting out a blog in the next week.



Sorry... but i want to ask one thing:
where is that blog on the anti-bot effort?

it's 3 weeks passed from quoted post...

Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.06 17:42:00 - [2515]
 


Looks like another one bites the dust.

Stumbled across a site selling a mission bot (Name sent to spud) which was broken by the May 31st patch and still unfixed because CCP issued a DCMA take down against the decomplied source code at git hub (nice one). The complaint thread has been locked.

Solstice Project
Posted - 2011.06.07 11:51:00 - [2516]
 

Edited by: Solstice Project on 07/06/2011 11:52:26

--- wrong anti-bot-thread --- lol

Severian Carnifex
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.08 20:32:00 - [2517]
 

Originally by: Solstice Project
Edited by: Solstice Project on 07/06/2011 11:52:26

--- wrong anti-bot-thread --- lol



yea... indeed... here is so much anti-bot threads...
i think its telling us something...

nubile slave
Posted - 2011.06.08 20:45:00 - [2518]
 

Originally by: Mr Stark
It isnt just RMT either, the fact that you cant beat the botting nation in a fair fight becasue they produce enough minerals to build 2 to 3 supercaps a day kind of makes the whole 0.0 situation a completely pointless and boll***s affair.

Why bother with 0.0 when you really cant win by playing fair?


NC whining alt detected......You realize of course that all the Tech moon goo your leadership has been sucking down could have gone to build 100 SC's a day right?

Shocked

Avila Cracko
Posted - 2011.06.10 22:13:00 - [2519]
 

Originally by: Avila Cracko
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Vincent Athena
CCP Sreggs: Any word on when we get your blog on the anti-bot effort?


I'm putting out a blog in the next week.



Sorry... but i want to ask one thing:
where is that blog on the anti-bot effort?

it's 3 weeks passed from quoted post...



I am afraid that this all is swept under the carpet... Sad
one month passed and still nothing... Confused

Embrojo
Posted - 2011.06.10 22:57:00 - [2520]
 

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1525544

petitioned


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