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Caldari Acolyte
Posted - 2011.05.07 13:32:00 - [2431]
 

Look, other gaming companies have delt with BOTS swiftly. This company has nothing but excuses, draw your own conclusions, nothing complicated about it.

Speaker4 theDead
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.07 14:08:00 - [2432]
 

Originally by: Caldari Acolyte
Look, other gaming companies have delt with BOTS swiftly. This company has nothing but excuses, draw your own conclusions, nothing complicated about it.


You really have no clue do you?
Botting has going on in games since the advent of the Internet. And no matter what any game company claims, they can't stop them or get rid of them without ruining their own game.
In fact, I would bet if CCP were actually able to remove all the bots from the game, they'd be out of business in a year...Cool
So get over yourself and go outside for a change, it's affecting your judgement.

Arnakoz
Posted - 2011.05.07 14:36:00 - [2433]
 

Originally by: Caldari Acolyte
Look, other gaming companies have delt with BOTS swiftly. This company has nothing but excuses, draw your own conclusions, nothing complicated about it.


there is NO other gaming company that has been able to remove bots. instead they simply put spyware on you're comp and continue to fail at stopping botting and RMT... WoW is the best example here.

botting scripts are a lot like computer viruses - invent an antivirus and a new version of the virus is made.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.07 20:09:00 - [2434]
 

So lets then go for the CCP approach, remove all your firewalls, antivirus products, and start using IE6 on an unupdated windows 95, since a virusscanner also isnt perfect Rolling Eyes

Ak'athra J'ador
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2011.05.07 21:04:00 - [2435]
 

Originally by: Speaker4 theDead

You really have no clue do you?


Rolling Eyes

Originally by: Speaker4 theDead

they can't stop them or get rid of them without ruining their own game.


not true, but you aren't providing any arguments or examples so you aren't really looking for a debate. You are just insulting somebody who wants a bot free game. weather he is naive in his thinking is irrelevant, the fact remains, that makes you a troll.

Originally by: Speaker4 theDead

In fact, I would bet if CCP were actually able to remove all the bots from the game, they'd be out of business in a year...Cool


oh please sir, do elaborate

Originally by: Speaker4 theDead

So get over yourself and go outside for a change, it's affecting your judgement.


well I cant really argue with that, its good advice...you should probably listen to it

Originally by: Arnakoz

there is NO other gaming company that has been able to remove bots.


I don't think he meant complete removal. I think we all know that is not possible, but we don't realle need complete removal do we?

Originally by: Arnakoz

instead they simply put spyware on you're comp


well not that simple actually, there was a lawsuit, and the whole controversial question of ownership of a running program on your ram. Turns out its not yours...but we are getting a bit off topic here.

Originally by: Arnakoz

continue to fail at stopping botting and RMT...


Again, don't need to stop it, we just want to slow it down to where it is no longer effective

Originally by: Arnakoz

WoW is the best example here.



Again, I am not sure you can argue this. Do you know what wow would look like if no actions at all were taken against botting? I mean I remember playing linage II on a private server ages ago and there it was normal for everyone to have healer bots. You would rarely see someone running around without another character running behind him healing him and buffing him. If Blizzard hadn't made its stance on botting clear and if they hadn't developed what you refer to as useless spyware perhaps wow would today look like that as well?

Originally by: Arnakoz

botting scripts are a lot like computer viruses - invent an antivirus and a new version of the virus is made.


Well that is actually true...somewhat. See there is no cost if a virus gets caught. Whomever made it simply makes a new one. However if a bot gets caught, and you ban the user, he has to pay the cost. That of the subscription and that of his character. And if that is a hulk running character or a battleship flying character, that costs quite a few subscription months of training.

And while CCP is incompetent, other companies don't ban players when a new iteration of a bot comes out. They wait for the bot to become widespread, and then do a mass ban.

So as a company you can go to all the bot websites, and buy all the widespread bots. Study them, find patterns, and write software that will detect them. And then you do a mass ban. And you don't have to make it perfect, you don't have to find each and every bot. You just need to find the ones that are publicly available for purchase and ban those using them. And I agree with you. We will probably never get all of them, but if we shut down 90%, would that really be so bad?

Arnakoz
Posted - 2011.05.07 22:02:00 - [2436]
 

Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador
[...]We will probably never get all of them, but if we shut down 90%, would that really be so bad?
i think you are talking more about individuals' bots rather than RMT bots. yeah, its not hard to limit the amount of individuals running bots. from where i stand all gaming companies have been wholly unable to limit RMT over the long run. just some dips here and there.

but, yes, focusing on the players couldn't hurt. it may or may not end with more demand for RMT... but that's a separate issue really.

Aquila Draco
Posted - 2011.05.09 08:13:00 - [2437]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
CCP Sreggs: Any word on when we get your blog on the anti-bot effort?

Kuseka Adama
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
Posted - 2011.05.09 13:16:00 - [2438]
 

Originally by: Aquila Draco
Originally by: Vincent Athena
CCP Sreggs: Any word on when we get your blog on the anti-bot effort?



If it doesn't include a direct hit on the Russian Aspect of this situation it doesn't matter.

I was hoping for a wipe of null sec and a cataclysm of capitals when BoB was in charge. Now that i return i find myself hoping for another wipe of null sec but this time a cataclysm of Both caps and super caps...

Mikk36
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.10 08:30:00 - [2439]
 

RMT by itself isn't that bad, currently it's that bad because the ISK comes from endless pits, not legitimate sources.

Xtreem
Gallente
The Collective
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.05.10 08:47:00 - [2440]
 

I just want a blog telling us some decent info tbh

how many were banned for 14 days
how many came back and did not bot
how many came back and did bot
how many that did come back and bot got re banned?
how much isk was taken out the game
how much assets were taken out of game

just usefull stuff... failing that CCP need to hire me to get some **** rolling!

Virtue Maulerant
Posted - 2011.05.10 09:11:00 - [2441]
 

********** is full of botters.Stupid ****s deserve what they are getting.

Angel Fudge
Posted - 2011.05.10 09:16:00 - [2442]
 

Are botters still only getting banned for 3 days for the first offense or was the right thing done and they changed it?

Xtreem
Gallente
The Collective
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.05.10 09:23:00 - [2443]
 

Originally by: Angel Fudge
Are botters still only getting banned for 3 days for the first offense or was the right thing done and they changed it?


14 days for 95% of them according to the botting forums

Mikk36
Caldari
Posted - 2011.05.10 09:23:00 - [2444]
 

Quote:
PublicDemands For Sale
www.publicdemands.co.uk domain is for sale, for anyone who wants to carry on the eve bot legacy.
Othran, good work :)

Wayne Slob
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.05.10 11:12:00 - [2445]
 

Originally by: Xtreem
I just want a blog telling us some decent info tbh

how many were banned for 14 days
how many came back and did not bot
how many came back and did bot
how many that did come back and bot got re banned?
how much isk was taken out the game
how much assets were taken out of game

just usefull stuff... failing that CCP need to hire me to get some **** rolling!


This would indeed be interesting information.

Gallion
Amarr
Posted - 2011.05.10 12:17:00 - [2446]
 

To everything wrong with this post in general its pratically TRolling. you want this stuff to stop then do something about it, your playing this game cause you have some "Care" for it.
Find a Botting Program online?
Copy it and find a means to complain about it theirs stuff around this site's EULA and TOS that "could potentially be used to shut the site down" -but I cant say how as Im not entirely sure its like a Police/FEDs thing to do. (and all these programs have ways of Cancelling their effect in the game)
Found a Site for RMT?
report it to CCP perhaps they can find a list of players in-game related to the Site(webmasters)?

Im not sure My Idea's are getting thru here, but my Point is Help the situation Dont Burden it further.

Xtreem
Gallente
The Collective
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.05.10 12:54:00 - [2447]
 

it would not be hard to flush out alot of bot users, 100's and very quickly, which would cause enough distrust between botters to stop or at least make it very hard to continue care free.

Feky Deji
Posted - 2011.05.10 19:39:00 - [2448]
 

Edited by: Feky Deji on 10/05/2011 19:40:04
Time to make some White Noise about RMT:

http://soundcloud.com/miah-1-1/state-of-the-goonian-10-may

Eolithic WithaTwist
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.05.10 20:52:00 - [2449]
 

For the love of New Eden please stop feeding the trolls.

Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.05.10 21:04:00 - [2450]
 

Originally by: Feky Deji
Edited by: Feky Deji on 10/05/2011 19:40:04
Time to make some White Noise about RMT:

http://soundcloud.com/miah-1-1/state-of-the-goonian-10-may


With the rampant use of Innerspace by Goons there is no way anybody can take this seriously. They bot as much or more (they have detailed botting instructions available) than anybody else so they should probably sit back down.

Heroltior Ghedonia
Posted - 2011.05.12 07:43:00 - [2451]
 

Edited by: Heroltior Ghedonia on 12/05/2011 07:46:08
But but but... Who else would the HAG gankers feed on then? I enjoy the many kills posted about Bots getting destroyed for the sake of explody and reward for such.

Seriously, if this is to be dealt with. Then it should be up to the REAL players of Eve to handle it... just as we do with other issues. More HAG tournaments with specific goals, restrictions to how and where bots are found/destroyed.

Eventually, the botters will get the message that we don't like their kind in our space and will be dealt with by our own flavor of justice.... ganking! Twisted Evil

Captain Stroke
Slaganfall Flytt AB
Posted - 2011.05.12 08:39:00 - [2452]
 

Originally by: Feky Deji
Edited by: Feky Deji on 10/05/2011 19:40:04
Time to make some White Noise about RMT:

http://soundcloud.com/miah-1-1/state-of-the-goonian-10-may


White noise sat on massive amounts of tech moons in venal and mittens now claim that the isk came out of nowhere as they started buying supercaps?
I guess simple grunts are too dumb to understand what a massive income tech moons can be and how much you actually can buy with it if you don't RMT it all away.
White noise probably bot as much as everybody else but I would hardly call their super cap surge as evidence of massive botting or RMT'ing on their part, rather as something which underlines how much you can actually do off of moon mining if you actually use the income in-game.
It rather raises the suspicion of what the other alliances sitting on tech moons are doing with the income.

Caldari Acolyte
Posted - 2011.05.12 08:52:00 - [2453]
 

Originally by: Speaker4 theDead
Originally by: Caldari Acolyte
Look, other gaming companies have delt with BOTS swiftly. This company has nothing but excuses, draw your own conclusions, nothing complicated about it.


You really have no clue do you?
Botting has going on in games since the advent of the Internet. And no matter what any game company claims, they can't stop them or get rid of them without ruining their own game.
In fact, I would bet if CCP were actually able to remove all the bots from the game, they'd be out of business in a year...Cool
So get over yourself and go outside for a change, it's affecting your judgement.



Your an obvious Bot fan and it is you that is clueless because companies have delt with them, so get your facts straight numbnuts.

CCP Sreegs

Posted - 2011.05.12 10:18:00 - [2454]
 

Originally by: Elanor Vega
Originally by: Furb Killer
Yeah that thread is clearly a topic by a bot who is trying to spin it. Come on it is classical: think of the children, and someone is very ill and eve was the only thing in his life, oh and they uninstalled eve anyway yet. It isnt even close to believable that it wasnt a botter.

So apparently they are back to three day bans, CCP is trying hard to find a good middle line between keeping the general playerbase happy that they are doing something against botting, without actually stopping people from botting.



I only hope that thats not true... Neutral


It's not.

CCP Sreegs

Posted - 2011.05.12 10:20:00 - [2455]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
CCP Sreggs: Any word on when we get your blog on the anti-bot effort?


I'm putting out a blog in the next week.

Elzon1
Caldari
Shadow Boys Corp
Bloodbound.
Posted - 2011.05.12 11:44:00 - [2456]
 

Edited by: Elzon1 on 12/05/2011 11:44:51
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Vincent Athena
CCP Sreggs: Any word on when we get your blog on the anti-bot effort?


I'm putting out a blog in the next week.


Good to hear Very Happy

Will there be actual stats or is it just "We're Winning"Question

Is there going to be anything in there about the "report bot" feature talked about during fanfestQuestion

Elanor Vega
Posted - 2011.05.12 15:57:00 - [2457]
 

Edited by: Elanor Vega on 12/05/2011 16:22:48


so much threads on botting subject... ppl cant stand bots any more...



only on first page of EVE General Discussion forum:

80 BOTS Detected in Jita area - names, corps, activities listed

62 npc corp ice miners, from the same operation - BUSTED!

Reporting from the front line of the Bot-War

So there are 2 chances for botters to keep in game?

Disband Alliances which use Macros/Botters

and this one...



Sirius Cassiopeiae
Posted - 2011.05.14 13:39:00 - [2458]
 

Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Elanor Vega
Originally by: Furb Killer
Yeah that thread is clearly a topic by a bot who is trying to spin it. Come on it is classical: think of the children, and someone is very ill and eve was the only thing in his life, oh and they uninstalled eve anyway yet. It isnt even close to believable that it wasnt a botter.

So apparently they are back to three day bans, CCP is trying hard to find a good middle line between keeping the general playerbase happy that they are doing something against botting, without actually stopping people from botting.



I only hope that thats not true... Neutral


It's not.


thnx on that...

CCP Sreegs

Posted - 2011.05.14 13:49:00 - [2459]
 

Originally by: Elanor Vega
Edited by: Elanor Vega on 12/05/2011 16:22:48


so much threads on botting subject... ppl cant stand bots any more...



only on first page of EVE General Discussion forum:

80 BOTS Detected in Jita area - names, corps, activities listed

62 npc corp ice miners, from the same operation - BUSTED!

Reporting from the front line of the Bot-War

So there are 2 chances for botters to keep in game?

Disband Alliances which use Macros/Botters

and this one...





If that trend continues we're going to have to consolidate. Trying to keep up with 8 threads on the exact same topic is pretty ponderous. Pretty much all of them are the exact same content.

Tyberious Rex
Gallente
Posted - 2011.05.20 18:57:00 - [2460]
 

Move back to the top page since this is the main bot thread


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