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Elyssa MacLeod
Posted - 2011.04.18 05:29:00 - [2311]
 



Originally by: Minarete


Anyway, this ia a BOT RAGER threadnaight, not a SWToR thread, back to topic...




Makes you look butthurt when you are the one that brought it up to start with. You bring it up, then ppl shoot you down, then you try to kill the argument with "ok lets talk about botting" its just funny.

and every game that ever comes out ppl are spouting how theyre gonna take ppl from this game or this game is gonna die etc etc etc. Happens in every MMO. Every game that comes out is gonna "kill WoW" too lol
Its likely that at first there will be a bunch of the "ooo a new MMO must play" ppl that will jump ship but I doubt any more people will leave this game than those types. We're really better off without them, cause those are the ones that scream the loudest to turn the game theyre currently playing into the game thay last liked best and theyre the first to jump ship (after all the screaming about those changes) when the next "shiny" comes out.

as for my age/maturity, Yeah I care what ppl think of this character on a forum of a video game lol

try that insult again its funny

Minarete
Amarr
Posted - 2011.04.18 05:40:00 - [2312]
 

Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod


Originally by: Minarete


Anyway, this ia a BOT RAGER threadnaight, not a SWToR thread, back to topic...




Makes you look butthurt when you are the one that brought it up to start with. You bring it up, then ppl shoot you down, then you try to kill the argument with "ok lets talk about botting" its just funny.

and every game that ever comes out ppl are spouting how theyre gonna take ppl from this game or this game is gonna die etc etc etc. Happens in every MMO. Every game that comes out is gonna "kill WoW" too lol
Its likely that at first there will be a bunch of the "ooo a new MMO must play" ppl that will jump ship but I doubt any more people will leave this game than those types. We're really better off without them, cause those are the ones that scream the loudest to turn the game theyre currently playing into the game thay last liked best and theyre the first to jump ship (after all the screaming about those changes) when the next "shiny" comes out.

as for my age/maturity, Yeah I care what ppl think of this character on a forum of a video game lol

try that insult again its funny


I do not consider that anyone but *you* did any *shooting down*, Rakshasa Taisab did not do anything but make statement of his opinion and what he considered fact, unlike you..

You Sir, are reading far more emotion in to all of this than should be, it is just a game, it is just a game, repeat that, and maybe I will see you in the next one..





Elyssa MacLeod
Posted - 2011.04.18 05:42:00 - [2313]
 

Originally by: Minarete

You Sir, are reading far more emotion in to all of this than should be, it is just a game, it is just a game, repeat that, and maybe I will see you in the next one..
[/quote



lol

yer a funny guy you know?
thanks for the laughs

Chesty McJubblies
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.04.18 11:52:00 - [2314]
 

I like the "we need to help CCP police their game" comments. Feelings on this aside, I'm just waiting for them nerfing one of the more powerful tools out there to disrupt 0.0 ratting macros... some kind of afk cloaking nerf. You know it's coming...

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.04.18 12:34:00 - [2315]
 

Does anyone here believe that with maximal effort to the extent that CCP could wage war on bots without adversely affecting legit players that we'll be completely bot free?

Very seriously my answer would be NO.

I suggest that CCP stop fighting the bots. People are botting for isk, because content is just Fing boring, they don't have 30 hours a day to play Eve in a competitive way, the grind is just too Fing long in this game. Don't tell me the grind isn't too long. I live in a wh. On most days 200mil/hour PVE is very possible. It still just isn't enough when you consider all the isk sinks, operational costs, etc.

So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.


Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.04.18 13:15:00 - [2316]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd


So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT"



Reminds me of PLEX

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.04.18 13:51:00 - [2317]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd


So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.



First, many players do not consider isk making to be mind numbingly boring, its what we like, its what we do. Please do not assume your opinion of the game is the same as everyone else's.

Second, I do not want my enjoyment of the game destroyed by having eve turned into bots online even more than it is.

Then, the costs of running a 0.0 alliance is not so large that it cannot be done with normal play, UNLESS you are fighting another alliance that is botting. If CCP beats down all the bots, the playing field will be level, just with fewer SCs.

Also, trying to regulate personal bots to a pre-determined level will take as much, if not more effort than just killing them all. So I say kill them all.

If a 0.0 alliance is having trouble making ships, there are a ton of people in high sec who are quite good at it. There are people who like industry and isk making and hate PvP just as much as you like PvP and hate isk making. If you stop insulting them, stop forcing them to do hated activities, and invite them in, you can get your ships.

Avila Cracko
Posted - 2011.04.18 16:19:00 - [2318]
 

Originally by: Severian Carnifex
Originally by: Mr Kidd
Edited by: Mr Kidd on 16/04/2011 21:16:13
Originally by: Paul Mustaka Hekard
Hey, did I miss the (much anticipated) dev blog on this subject? I suppose after tragically failing on development of the new forums, things are probably busy at CCP. But then again, I am dying to see some graphs, tables, anything that demonstrates progress on the bot front.


Nah, you're not missing nothing. The forum fiasco was planned so they could say they were really busy fixing it but instead go on holiday.

Quote:

Right now, with botting as prevalent as it is, the majority of important game content appears to be nothing more than a sham. How can a single player's actions count for squat (ala butterfly effect) when there is no level playing field.



You'd feel the same way if there were no bots.

Quote:

This thread has been quite active for over four months now (and botting has been a source of friction for years). CCP's fanfest presentation was a start; but requires the followup that they promised the player base.




Yeah, but since fanfest it's slowed a lot. I think the drum beaters have concluded that CCP just doesn't give a sh it.



I really hope that thats not the truth... that CCP is working on this... because there is many players that have many chars and paying a couple of subscriptions and questioning him/herself why are they paying it... end answer is: because hope.

But it hurts when you enter the game and see that many other ppl have all stuff free... becouse they have bots that are stealing ore infront your lasers / staling rats infront your weapons / or just bumping you with besotwers every time you undock doing currier missions...

And than their main comes and kill you with your own ISK...

that hurts... thats realy hurts...
don't take away that hope from us... and give us results... and give the meaning to our efforts... because now... every our efforts dont worth anything...




+1

yes... we are hoping... still...

Avila Cracko
Posted - 2011.04.18 16:21:00 - [2319]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
Originally by: Mr Kidd


So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.



First, many players do not consider isk making to be mind numbingly boring, its what we like, its what we do. Please do not assume your opinion of the game is the same as everyone else's.

Second, I do not want my enjoyment of the game destroyed by having eve turned into bots online even more than it is.

Then, the costs of running a 0.0 alliance is not so large that it cannot be done with normal play, UNLESS you are fighting another alliance that is botting. If CCP beats down all the bots, the playing field will be level, just with fewer SCs.

Also, trying to regulate personal bots to a pre-determined level will take as much, if not more effort than just killing them all. So I say kill them all.

If a 0.0 alliance is having trouble making ships, there are a ton of people in high sec who are quite good at it. There are people who like industry and isk making and hate PvP just as much as you like PvP and hate isk making. If you stop insulting them, stop forcing them to do hated activities, and invite them in, you can get your ships.




+1

we want to play this game... we don't want that this game is played for us...
and for all that don't want to play this game... for all that wants that something play this game for them... just quit and don't ruin our game...

Neamus
Posted - 2011.04.18 16:32:00 - [2320]
 

Originally by: Avila Cracko
Originally by: Vincent Athena
Originally by: Mr Kidd


So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.



First, many players do not consider isk making to be mind numbingly boring, its what we like, its what we do. Please do not assume your opinion of the game is the same as everyone else's.

Second, I do not want my enjoyment of the game destroyed by having eve turned into bots online even more than it is.

Then, the costs of running a 0.0 alliance is not so large that it cannot be done with normal play, UNLESS you are fighting another alliance that is botting. If CCP beats down all the bots, the playing field will be level, just with fewer SCs.

Also, trying to regulate personal bots to a pre-determined level will take as much, if not more effort than just killing them all. So I say kill them all.

If a 0.0 alliance is having trouble making ships, there are a ton of people in high sec who are quite good at it. There are people who like industry and isk making and hate PvP just as much as you like PvP and hate isk making. If you stop insulting them, stop forcing them to do hated activities, and invite them in, you can get your ships.




+1

we want to play this game... we don't want that this game is played for us...
and for all that don't want to play this game... for all that wants that something play this game for them... just quit and don't ruin our game...



Its a nice sentiment, but it relies on people being reasonable. And we all know that most people, especially eve players, are deliberately unreasonable. They actually derive pleasure from ruining your game play, regardless of the consequences.

Avila Cracko
Posted - 2011.04.18 17:08:00 - [2321]
 

Originally by: Neamus
Originally by: Avila Cracko
Originally by: Vincent Athena
Originally by: Mr Kidd


So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.



First, many players do not consider isk making to be mind numbingly boring, its what we like, its what we do. Please do not assume your opinion of the game is the same as everyone else's.

Second, I do not want my enjoyment of the game destroyed by having eve turned into bots online even more than it is.

Then, the costs of running a 0.0 alliance is not so large that it cannot be done with normal play, UNLESS you are fighting another alliance that is botting. If CCP beats down all the bots, the playing field will be level, just with fewer SCs.

Also, trying to regulate personal bots to a pre-determined level will take as much, if not more effort than just killing them all. So I say kill them all.

If a 0.0 alliance is having trouble making ships, there are a ton of people in high sec who are quite good at it. There are people who like industry and isk making and hate PvP just as much as you like PvP and hate isk making. If you stop insulting them, stop forcing them to do hated activities, and invite them in, you can get your ships.




+1

we want to play this game... we don't want that this game is played for us...
and for all that don't want to play this game... for all that wants that something play this game for them... just quit and don't ruin our game...



Its a nice sentiment, but it relies on people being reasonable. And we all know that most people, especially eve players, are deliberately unreasonable. They actually derive pleasure from ruining your game play, regardless of the consequences.



Unfortunately... thats truth...
but there is always hope...

Severian Carnifex
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.04.18 20:57:00 - [2322]
 

Edited by: Severian Carnifex on 18/04/2011 20:57:47

Originally by: Vincent Athena
Originally by: Mr Kidd


So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.






First, many players do not consider isk making to be mind numbingly boring, its what we like, its what we do. Please do not assume your opinion of the game is the same as everyone else's.

Second, I do not want my enjoyment of the game destroyed by having eve turned into bots online even more than it is.

Then, the costs of running a 0.0 alliance is not so large that it cannot be done with normal play, UNLESS you are fighting another alliance that is botting. If CCP beats down all the bots, the playing field will be level, just with fewer SCs.

Also, trying to regulate personal bots to a pre-determined level will take as much, if not more effort than just killing them all. So I say kill them all.

If a 0.0 alliance is having trouble making ships, there are a ton of people in high sec who are quite good at it. There are people who like industry and isk making and hate PvP just as much as you like PvP and hate isk making. If you stop insulting them, stop forcing them to do hated activities, and invite them in, you can get your ships.




Signed.

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.04.18 23:55:00 - [2323]
 

Edited by: Mr Kidd on 19/04/2011 00:48:56
My suggestion wasn't to ruin your game. It was to give everyone the same opportunity to compete with the botters that you're all complaining about and have been for years. After all, if CCP isn't doing anything to really affect botting, and it doesn't appear that they are, then they might as well institutionalize it so that everyone that wants to bot can bot. And they need to make it so that not everyone needs to be a programmer....hence the official ccp bot.

It's the same for many laws and regulation in real life. You have the honest folk who are out competed by less scrupulous people, especially in business, because the honest people have a sense of pride for being...well...honest and they won't bend or break the rules. There's nothing wrong with that. It's admirable.

So, my suggestion is merely a means to level the playing field. Why have the rule if there isn't effective enforcement? CCP, if they don't intend to get serious about botting, just needs to unshackle the rest of the players. By doing so, they devalue RMT, they increase the price of plex....win win for CCP and players?

Puppet Mas'ter
Posted - 2011.04.19 01:44:00 - [2324]
 

Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 19/04/2011 01:44:37
lol tho, we dont have to worry about the botters, theres only 9000 of them in the game

9000 / 360000

well thats if mothermoon's numbers are right

link

Iarga
Posted - 2011.04.19 07:23:00 - [2325]
 

Edited by: Iarga on 19/04/2011 07:27:08
Originally by: Puppet Mas'ter
Edited by: Puppet Mas''ter on 19/04/2011 01:44:37
lol tho, we dont have to worry about the botters, theres only 9000 of them in the game

9000 / 360000

well thats if mothermoon's numbers are right

link


thats still 9000 people that need to be banned..

9000 bots that run for 23/7 can still cause a great deal of economic damage (give me a oprinting press to print billions fake euros and no police and ill show you what damage i can do to your country :P )

ow btw bots are rising again...for 2 weeks i had no more then 4-5 players in the ice belt...since yesterday 12 and rising(and some that where there before 23/7

CCP temp bans alone doesnt work with bot users...al least trip them of the right to use plex/sell char after getting a ban for a longer time IMO


Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.19 08:02:00 - [2326]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
Does anyone here believe that with maximal effort to the extent that CCP could wage war on bots without adversely affecting legit players that we'll be completely bot free?

Very seriously my answer would be NO.

I suggest that CCP stop fighting the bots. People are botting for isk, because content is just Fing boring, they don't have 30 hours a day to play Eve in a competitive way, the grind is just too Fing long in this game. Don't tell me the grind isn't too long. I live in a wh. On most days 200mil/hour PVE is very possible. It still just isn't enough when you consider all the isk sinks, operational costs, etc.

So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.




Further more, CCP needs to shut down eve and tell players to move on to another Pay-to-Bot MMO. Simply because eve is boring as it is, maintaining the game is not worth it. Besides, they need to charge every player a good-bye 200 USD, as a safety package for future unemployment period.

Pandadora
Posted - 2011.04.19 08:35:00 - [2327]
 

Originally by: Iarga
Edited by: Iarga on 19/04/2011 07:27:08
[ (give me a oprinting press to print billions fake euros and no police and ill show you what damage i can do to your country :P )




Well, isnt the FED just doing that atm? Wink

coolzero
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.19 08:40:00 - [2328]
 

Edited by: coolzero on 19/04/2011 08:42:02
Originally by: Pandadora
Originally by: Iarga
Edited by: Iarga on 19/04/2011 07:27:08
[ (give me a oprinting press to print billions fake euros and no police and ill show you what damage i can do to your country :P )




Well, isnt the FED just doing that atm? Wink


seems like the same...there is a reason eve has a real economic prof on the payroll




Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.04.20 11:48:00 - [2329]
 

CCP, don't you think its a little embarrassing to have a 78 page botting thread on your main message board?

lilol' me
Posted - 2011.04.20 12:01:00 - [2330]
 

Originally by: Sader Rykane
CCP, don't you think its a little embarrassing to have a 78 page botting thread on your main message board?


Question is - Do you think CCP even care? or even will do anything about it? Ever?

Answer : No to both....they prob selling isk themselves...

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.04.20 13:45:00 - [2331]
 

Originally by: lilol' me
Originally by: Sader Rykane
CCP, don't you think its a little embarrassing to have a 78 page botting thread on your main message board?


Question is - Do you think CCP even care? or even will do anything about it? Ever?

Answer : No to both....they prob selling isk themselves...


GTC? Plex? Both?

Of course they're selling isk!

Xtreem
Gallente
The Collective
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.04.20 14:15:00 - [2332]
 

1. ccp create new char
2. ccp invest a small some of RL cash to a project, say a few k euro (small fry for such a big company)
3. ccp buy isk from rmt to that char
4. ccp then trace all transactions of the char that sent their char the isk
5. ccp can repeat this several times and with enough digging would make it very hard for RMT to operate knowing each sale could be CCP.

I wish i worked at CCP, my tactics of anti botting would have it almost nominal in 1 month tops.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.04.20 14:56:00 - [2333]
 

Originally by: Xtreem
1. ccp create new char
2. ccp invest a small some of RL cash to a project, say a few k euro (small fry for such a big company)
3. ccp buy isk from rmt to that char
4. ccp then trace all transactions of the char that sent their char the isk
5. ccp can repeat this several times and with enough digging would make it very hard for RMT to operate knowing each sale could be CCP.

I wish i worked at CCP, my tactics of anti botting would have it almost nominal in 1 month tops.


It's worth remembering that whilst RMT and botting are linked they're not the same. There is RMT activity that's nothing to do with botting and bitting activity that's nothing to do with botting.

That said, I would do much the same as you. Buy small qtys of ISK, and then use the evidence for a chain-banning.

Johnny FiveAlive
Posted - 2011.04.20 16:52:00 - [2334]
 

IP ban all botters and then send ALL the toons that connect into game with that IP to doomheim. You'd loose a good number of players but hey it would clean this game up of these cheats making it a much better game for everyone concerned who plays this legitamately without cheating!

This would help a few issues, isk coming into game would be substancially reduced, and the isk that's on them accounts would be removed from the game forever. Follow the isk trails and remove all isk bought from these toons. There isn't that many isk sinks in this game where isk gets totally removed form game, ie where isk doesn't get constantly recycled player to player. CCP i think wants to reduce the ammount of isk that's in game totally IMHO this would be a quick fix, however it has a knock on effect.

1. The ammount of minerals coming into game would be reduced massively as the markets won't be being floody by minerals these toons were bringing to the game, thus them making the job of the industrialists of mining a means of making isk again like it was 3+ years ago worth doing. Mineral prices would increase and so would everything. Everything cost wise is directly effected by the cost of the minerals in game. Cost of ship would go up, however once a ship is killed thats more isk lost that at presently. The cost of minerals would stablize once people relise the potental isk available in these regions that's available. These regions are dead ATM for a reason and its because of these botters. Rest of eve is way over crowded to hell. You only need to fly through drones to see how dead it is. Increase mineral prices and peeps will return to them as they'd have a reason to do so.
2. The regions these bots presently frequent would become space that is worth fighting for as the minerals these rats drop would be worth our time and effort to loot again or dare i say it mine for them. Shocked

sorry for wall of text rambleWink

Khadann
Caldari
Sense of Serendipity
Echoes of Nowhere
Posted - 2011.04.20 17:37:00 - [2335]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
Does anyone here believe that with maximal effort to the extent that CCP could wage war on bots without adversely affecting legit players that we'll be completely bot free?

Very seriously my answer would be NO.

I suggest that CCP stop fighting the bots. People are botting for isk, because content is just Fing boring, they don't have 30 hours a day to play Eve in a competitive way, the grind is just too Fing long in this game. Don't tell me the grind isn't too long. I live in a wh. On most days 200mil/hour PVE is very possible. It still just isn't enough when you consider all the isk sinks, operational costs, etc.

So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.




Hey can you tell me which bot tool you use please? Razz

Crucis Cassiopeiae
Amarr
PORSCHE AG
Posted - 2011.04.20 22:22:00 - [2336]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
Originally by: Mr Kidd


So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.




First, many players do not consider isk making to be mind numbingly boring, its what we like, its what we do. Please do not assume your opinion of the game is the same as everyone else's.

Second, I do not want my enjoyment of the game destroyed by having eve turned into bots online even more than it is.

Then, the costs of running a 0.0 alliance is not so large that it cannot be done with normal play, UNLESS you are fighting another alliance that is botting. If CCP beats down all the bots, the playing field will be level, just with fewer SCs.

Also, trying to regulate personal bots to a pre-determined level will take as much, if not more effort than just killing them all. So I say kill them all.

If a 0.0 alliance is having trouble making ships, there are a ton of people in high sec who are quite good at it. There are people who like industry and isk making and hate PvP just as much as you like PvP and hate isk making. If you stop insulting them, stop forcing them to do hated activities, and invite them in, you can get your ships.


+1

Aquila Draco
Posted - 2011.04.21 17:36:00 - [2337]
 

Originally by: Johnny FiveAlive
IP ban all botters and then send ALL the toons that connect into game with that IP to doomheim. You'd loose a good number of players but hey it would clean this game up of these cheats making it a much better game for everyone concerned who plays this legitamately without cheating!

This would help a few issues, isk coming into game would be substancially reduced, and the isk that's on them accounts would be removed from the game forever. Follow the isk trails and remove all isk bought from these toons. There isn't that many isk sinks in this game where isk gets totally removed form game, ie where isk doesn't get constantly recycled player to player. CCP i think wants to reduce the ammount of isk that's in game totally IMHO this would be a quick fix, however it has a knock on effect.

1. The ammount of minerals coming into game would be reduced massively as the markets won't be being floody by minerals these toons were bringing to the game, thus them making the job of the industrialists of mining a means of making isk again like it was 3+ years ago worth doing. Mineral prices would increase and so would everything. Everything cost wise is directly effected by the cost of the minerals in game. Cost of ship would go up, however once a ship is killed thats more isk lost that at presently. The cost of minerals would stablize once people relise the potental isk available in these regions that's available. These regions are dead ATM for a reason and its because of these botters. Rest of eve is way over crowded to hell. You only need to fly through drones to see how dead it is. Increase mineral prices and peeps will return to them as they'd have a reason to do so.
2. The regions these bots presently frequent would become space that is worth fighting for as the minerals these rats drop would be worth our time and effort to loot again or dare i say it mine for them. Shocked

sorry for wall of text rambleWink




+1

but... IP baning... that wont work...
90% of Europe don't have static IP-s...
IP distribution is dynamic and every 24 hours, or every time you reconnect your internet connection, you get new IP address from yours ISPs IP pool...

Chesty McJubblies
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.04.22 11:58:00 - [2338]
 

Originally by: Aquila Draco
Originally by: Johnny FiveAlive
IP ban all botters and then send ALL the toons that connect into game with that IP to doomheim. You'd loose a good number of players but hey it would clean this game up of these cheats making it a much better game for everyone concerned who plays this legitamately without cheating!

This would help a few issues, isk coming into game would be substancially reduced, and the isk that's on them accounts would be removed from the game forever. Follow the isk trails and remove all isk bought from these toons. There isn't that many isk sinks in this game where isk gets totally removed form game, ie where isk doesn't get constantly recycled player to player. CCP i think wants to reduce the ammount of isk that's in game totally IMHO this would be a quick fix, however it has a knock on effect.

1. The ammount of minerals coming into game would be reduced massively as the markets won't be being floody by minerals these toons were bringing to the game, thus them making the job of the industrialists of mining a means of making isk again like it was 3+ years ago worth doing. Mineral prices would increase and so would everything. Everything cost wise is directly effected by the cost of the minerals in game. Cost of ship would go up, however once a ship is killed thats more isk lost that at presently. The cost of minerals would stablize once people relise the potental isk available in these regions that's available. These regions are dead ATM for a reason and its because of these botters. Rest of eve is way over crowded to hell. You only need to fly through drones to see how dead it is. Increase mineral prices and peeps will return to them as they'd have a reason to do so.
2. The regions these bots presently frequent would become space that is worth fighting for as the minerals these rats drop would be worth our time and effort to loot again or dare i say it mine for them. Shocked

sorry for wall of text rambleWink




+1

but... IP baning... that wont work...
90% of Europe don't have static IP-s...
IP distribution is dynamic and every 24 hours, or every time you reconnect your internet connection, you get new IP address from yours ISPs IP pool...


I agree, outside of about 2 people that have no idea how to change their IP (and don't realise that asking on their botting forums would offer the advice required), banning IPs won't work.

Also, who's disconnecting their internet connection so often? ;p My router is never turned off.

Elanor Vega
Posted - 2011.04.23 12:33:00 - [2339]
 

Edited by: Elanor Vega on 23/04/2011 12:34:00

Originally by: Khadann
Originally by: Mr Kidd
Does anyone here believe that with maximal effort to the extent that CCP could wage war on bots without adversely affecting legit players that we'll be completely bot free?

Very seriously my answer would be NO.

I suggest that CCP stop fighting the bots. People are botting for isk, because content is just Fing boring, they don't have 30 hours a day to play Eve in a competitive way, the grind is just too Fing long in this game. Don't tell me the grind isn't too long. I live in a wh. On most days 200mil/hour PVE is very possible. It still just isn't enough when you consider all the isk sinks, operational costs, etc.

So, my suggestion is CCP, stop fighting the bots. Change the EULA to allow them. Then offer your own "official CCP BOT" to accommodate the game's psspoor, boring, mind-numbingly vacant content where isk making is concerned. If people don't want to buy your bots, fine, they can make their own within limitations, no modding the client. Every expansion/update you can introduce some non-official bot breaking mechanic or something that requires them to adjust their personal bots while the CCP bots keep chugging along.




Hey can you tell me which bot tool you use please? Razz



they are now using multiple botting tools... and using little first, then second then third then first again... (one guy wrote that on one forum)... so that they don't have only one pattern of behavior all the time...

Severian Carnifex
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.04.23 22:40:00 - [2340]
 

Before cca 2 weeks I posted one question for all ppl here...
now... 2 weeks later i am posting it again:


Originally by: Severian Carnifex
@ All:

ppl, do you see any results of this anti bot war???





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