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Elyssa MacLeod
Posted - 2011.04.15 00:28:00 - [2281]
 

Originally by: Chesty McJubblies
Edited by: Chesty McJubblies on 14/04/2011 16:13:20
Edited by: Chesty McJubblies on 14/04/2011 15:40:04
Out of curiosity, how many destroyers would it take to kill an untanked Hulk? I tried logging into the test server last night to find out, but it wouldn't load.

In related news, PL guy kills Russian botter, and gets kicked from PL as a result.

Edit - EN24 link

Also, thanks to Barrakus for this.. interesting pics


So... would the alliance in this case (or at least the command staff of it) ALL get a first level punishment, or is this in the realm of CCP doesnt care?

Tye Coon
Posted - 2011.04.15 00:40:00 - [2282]
 

CCP please make new space not connected to the rest and give it to the botters, Since it's obvious there is nothing you can or will do. Give space back to those who play the game.

In fact let them into the CCP engineering space pretty plz.

Thanks

Jojo Jackson
Caldari
Posted - 2011.04.15 00:51:00 - [2283]
 

Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod
Originally by: Chesty McJubblies
Edited by: Chesty McJubblies on 14/04/2011 16:13:20
Edited by: Chesty McJubblies on 14/04/2011 15:40:04
Out of curiosity, how many destroyers would it take to kill an untanked Hulk? I tried logging into the test server last night to find out, but it wouldn't load.

In related news, PL guy kills Russian botter, and gets kicked from PL as a result.

Edit - EN24 link

Also, thanks to Barrakus for this.. interesting pics


So... would the alliance in this case (or at least the command staff of it) ALL get a first level punishment, or is this in the realm of CCP doesnt care?


Actual if this is true CCP MUST punish the people who suport botting too (ak the leadership of PL) to not losing any respect.
If they don't punish them, it shows clearly, that CCP don't care about the problem and boting is a legal way to build a nullsec alliance!

Type VIIb
Posted - 2011.04.15 03:13:00 - [2284]
 

Edited by: Type VIIb on 15/04/2011 03:14:38

The 'tear down' that CCP would need to do will need to be methodical and paced. A massive 'hammer' approach would be far more destabling than what the current impact of botting is now. Right now the approach is the 'scared straight' approach. Somewhere in the madness of kill-the-bots mentality with all the torches and pick forks there needs to be a real-world consideration of what has been allowed to go on for far too long.

Bottom line is going to be the bottom line. CCP has said there is too much isk in the system and that that needs to be addressed. You are at the brink of a potential 'housing bubble' type issue. The PLEX is trading at near record levels right now. Why? Because there is so much money moving in the system. IF CCP can curtail the botting issue, there is a serious concern that a PLEX will lose its value. Rat bots are putting isk in to the market at unhuman rates. Unlike mining which only depresses the value of ore and metal, the rat bot is actually adding isk in to the pool.

At what point is the 'extra real world cash player' going to look at a GTC/PLEX and go, "You know what? That isn't worth my money."? 200 million isk? 250, 300, 350? Many players go 'oh yeah a 200 million isk PLEX, alright!'... but if you are the guy spending real money, is it worth the real world cash? If not, that means CCP will lose money as well. Now that will of course reduce supply and drive prices back up, but a lower supply means less money to CCP.

A serious, focused, and constant anti-bot campaign spread out over time will slowly put the system back in line. Anything forced quickly will cause turmoil in the markets. In fact it is already happening in some cases, unless you don't consider a 25% jump in mining prices in a week to be notable. In the long run, such a plan may result in alteration of mining yields and/or rat bounty prices.

CPP doesn't want the accounts gone, that result in loss of income. They also will want to find a reasonable price point on the cost of PLEX. A depressed PLEX will discourage sales of GTCs and also hurt the CCP bottom line.

Bottom line, patients. You are not going to see a huge slash at 'insert alliance name here' with the current process. It would have all the political headache of the BPO controversy of old. It will be more like speeding tickets. "Hey, you pulled me over but not that guy!", "Well, if he does it again tomorrow maybe I'll get him then."

Now, this thread is all about getting blood, and that I can understand, but I doubt you will see any sort of 'instant gratification' on this issue. It might take over a year to have a notable overall impact.

Elyssa MacLeod
Posted - 2011.04.15 13:09:00 - [2285]
 

Funny thing about that; wonder if theyll lose more actual players to their inactivity over the issue, especially in 0.0

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.04.16 02:25:00 - [2286]
 

dont let it die, like the botting front lines one seems to be as well

Smarcus Smokus
Posted - 2011.04.16 03:03:00 - [2287]
 

Originally by: Type VIIb

....lots of words...



I'm trying to determine if you are purporting that bots reduce the in game value PLEX or vice versa....

Bots increase the in-game value of PLEX. At a minimum, bot subs are paid for by PLEX, adding demand. If they RMT too, then the isk they sell to players reduces the supply of PLEX.

Bots need to go, but not because the price of PLEX is too low.

IsoMetricanTaliac 2
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.04.16 04:24:00 - [2288]
 


Having now been unlucky/lucky enough to experience the edge having an RMT background gives while fighting against known RMT'ing alliances it has become quite apparent that it has more or less ruined the game for those of us who don't wish to take part in it.

There is no way in hell any alliance or Co-Operative in this game will EVER be able to even begin to scratch these known RMT'ers & with them now also basically just going through 0.0 taking anything & everything they want. Things will become even harder for those who want to try to establish in 0.0... Won't be hard if they agree to PAY the RMT'ers to rent the space, but any other way of trying to get in would probably end with the RMT'ers taking all of their assets out of action. The is also happening to established alliances & co-ops as there is just no way of being able to keep up with the resources the RMT'ers are able to throw at things due to the volume of ISK etc they have moving around the place.

It is a shame that CCP have allowed these people to do what they are doing so blatantly, & if people who don't have access to the log files can get evidence then CCP's stories of doing their best to catch them are just that, STORIES/FAIRY TALES.

I know it must be hard for CCP to have to watch these idiots wrecking the game & be in fear of doing anything just in case they all stop playing Shocked Problem is in keeping them happy your going to end up losing many many others.

For many the days of EVE are over, for others their final days are coming as they play out what is left on their subscriptions. For myself & a whole lot of the people in the corp/alliance/co-op I am in we have all had enough & are moving on to a game where RMT'ing is not tolerated by ANY players/GM's/Dev's/who evers.

Personally I NEVER thought the end of EVE for so many of us would be due to RMT'ing, as it always seemed to promise something would be done. Now we are able to see just how well those promises were kept it really just isn't worth spending money on a game to help support the RMT'ers.



Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.04.16 04:39:00 - [2289]
 

Well, when you can pay real money to buy the supercaps for your alliance, they overpower the guys that have to work for theirs

Avila Cracko
Posted - 2011.04.16 10:29:00 - [2290]
 

Originally by: IsoMetricanTaliac 2

Having now been unlucky/lucky enough to experience the edge having an RMT background gives while fighting against known RMT'ing alliances it has become quite apparent that it has more or less ruined the game for those of us who don't wish to take part in it.

There is no way in hell any alliance or Co-Operative in this game will EVER be able to even begin to scratch these known RMT'ers & with them now also basically just going through 0.0 taking anything & everything they want. Things will become even harder for those who want to try to establish in 0.0... Won't be hard if they agree to PAY the RMT'ers to rent the space, but any other way of trying to get in would probably end with the RMT'ers taking all of their assets out of action. The is also happening to established alliances & co-ops as there is just no way of being able to keep up with the resources the RMT'ers are able to throw at things due to the volume of ISK etc they have moving around the place.

It is a shame that CCP have allowed these people to do what they are doing so blatantly, & if people who don't have access to the log files can get evidence then CCP's stories of doing their best to catch them are just that, STORIES/FAIRY TALES.

I know it must be hard for CCP to have to watch these idiots wrecking the game & be in fear of doing anything just in case they all stop playing Shocked Problem is in keeping them happy your going to end up losing many many others.

For many the days of EVE are over, for others their final days are coming as they play out what is left on their subscriptions. For myself & a whole lot of the people in the corp/alliance/co-op I am in we have all had enough & are moving on to a game where RMT'ing is not tolerated by ANY players/GM's/Dev's/who evers.

Personally I NEVER thought the end of EVE for so many of us would be due to RMT'ing, as it always seemed to promise something would be done. Now we are able to see just how well those promises were kept it really just isn't worth spending money on a game to help support the RMT'ers.






+1

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.04.16 18:02:00 - [2291]
 

Originally by: Avila Cracko
Originally by: IsoMetricanTaliac 2

Having now been unlucky/lucky enough to experience the edge having an RMT background gives while fighting against known RMT'ing alliances it has become quite apparent that it has more or less ruined the game for those of us who don't wish to take part in it.

There is no way in hell any alliance or Co-Operative in this game will EVER be able to even begin to scratch these known RMT'ers & with them now also basically just going through 0.0 taking anything & everything they want. Things will become even harder for those who want to try to establish in 0.0... Won't be hard if they agree to PAY the RMT'ers to rent the space, but any other way of trying to get in would probably end with the RMT'ers taking all of their assets out of action. The is also happening to established alliances & co-ops as there is just no way of being able to keep up with the resources the RMT'ers are able to throw at things due to the volume of ISK etc they have moving around the place.

It is a shame that CCP have allowed these people to do what they are doing so blatantly, & if people who don't have access to the log files can get evidence then CCP's stories of doing their best to catch them are just that, STORIES/FAIRY TALES.

I know it must be hard for CCP to have to watch these idiots wrecking the game & be in fear of doing anything just in case they all stop playing Shocked Problem is in keeping them happy your going to end up losing many many others.

For many the days of EVE are over, for others their final days are coming as they play out what is left on their subscriptions. For myself & a whole lot of the people in the corp/alliance/co-op I am in we have all had enough & are moving on to a game where RMT'ing is not tolerated by ANY players/GM's/Dev's/who evers.

Personally I NEVER thought the end of EVE for so many of us would be due to RMT'ing, as it always seemed to promise something would be done. Now we are able to see just how well those promises were kept it really just isn't worth spending money on a game to help support the RMT'ers.






+1


+1 too

Henry Haphorn
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.16 19:19:00 - [2292]
 

Originally by: IsoMetricanTaliac 2

Having now been unlucky/lucky enough to experience the edge having an RMT background gives while fighting against known RMT'ing alliances it has become quite apparent that it has more or less ruined the game for those of us who don't wish to take part in it.

There is no way in hell any alliance or Co-Operative in this game will EVER be able to even begin to scratch these known RMT'ers & with them now also basically just going through 0.0 taking anything & everything they want. Things will become even harder for those who want to try to establish in 0.0... Won't be hard if they agree to PAY the RMT'ers to rent the space, but any other way of trying to get in would probably end with the RMT'ers taking all of their assets out of action. The is also happening to established alliances & co-ops as there is just no way of being able to keep up with the resources the RMT'ers are able to throw at things due to the volume of ISK etc they have moving around the place.

It is a shame that CCP have allowed these people to do what they are doing so blatantly, & if people who don't have access to the log files can get evidence then CCP's stories of doing their best to catch them are just that, STORIES/FAIRY TALES.

I know it must be hard for CCP to have to watch these idiots wrecking the game & be in fear of doing anything just in case they all stop playing Shocked Problem is in keeping them happy your going to end up losing many many others.

For many the days of EVE are over, for others their final days are coming as they play out what is left on their subscriptions. For myself & a whole lot of the people in the corp/alliance/co-op I am in we have all had enough & are moving on to a game where RMT'ing is not tolerated by ANY players/GM's/Dev's/who evers.

Personally I NEVER thought the end of EVE for so many of us would be due to RMT'ing, as it always seemed to promise something would be done. Now we are able to see just how well those promises were kept it really just isn't worth spending money on a game to help support the RMT'ers.





-1

I will tell you why. If you give up simply because RMT has taken over Eve Online, then besically you are sending the wrong message. You are telling the botters and RMT folks that they have won and we have lost. You can leave if you want, but people like me will stay here and fight off until Eve Online ceases to exist. Why? Because we believe there is still hope to win against botters and RMTs. The more of us that stay here hunting down bots, ganking them, griefing them, banning them, reporting them, spying on them, then the better chance we have at winning against them.

Let's face it. CCP can't fight this alone. They need us to deal with the problem as much as we need them. Without us, CCP would potentially lose.

Also, don't think that CCP/Capsuleers/GMs/Devs tolerates RMT or bots. If that was the case, the botting community wouldn't be complaining at all about being banned by CCP nor would the bot community post tips on how to avoid detection. In fact, we care more about saving Eve Online from RMT/Botting than you might think. Just read the thread hosted by Ninjaspud that have been followed up by more than 10 pages of support, intel on bot communities, and how effective CCP has been against them. We are fighting the good fight and we will not rest until we win.

Please, stay here with us and help us fight. Besides, who is to say that the next MMO you get into won't suffer the same problem as Eve Online already is?

Paul Mustaka Hekard
Posted - 2011.04.16 20:39:00 - [2293]
 

Hey, did I miss the (much anticipated) dev blog on this subject? I suppose after tragically failing on development of the new forums, things are probably busy at CCP. But then again, I am dying to see some graphs, tables, anything that demonstrates progress on the bot front.

Right now, with botting as prevalent as it is, the majority of important game content appears to be nothing more than a sham. How can a single player's actions count for squat (ala butterfly effect) when there is no level playing field.

This thread has been quite active for over four months now (and botting has been a source of friction for years). CCP's fanfest presentation was a start; but requires the followup that they promised the player base.


Tyrant's Bane
Gallente
The Remnant Legion.
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2011.04.16 20:42:00 - [2294]
 

Bots need to be killed with fire

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.04.16 21:15:00 - [2295]
 

Edited by: Mr Kidd on 16/04/2011 21:16:13
Originally by: Paul Mustaka Hekard
Hey, did I miss the (much anticipated) dev blog on this subject? I suppose after tragically failing on development of the new forums, things are probably busy at CCP. But then again, I am dying to see some graphs, tables, anything that demonstrates progress on the bot front.


Nah, you're not missing nothing. The forum fiasco was planned so they could say they were really busy fixing it but instead go on holiday.

Quote:

Right now, with botting as prevalent as it is, the majority of important game content appears to be nothing more than a sham. How can a single player's actions count for squat (ala butterfly effect) when there is no level playing field.



You'd feel the same way if there were no bots.

Quote:

This thread has been quite active for over four months now (and botting has been a source of friction for years). CCP's fanfest presentation was a start; but requires the followup that they promised the player base.




Yeah, but since fanfest it's slowed a lot. I think the drum beaters have concluded that CCP just doesn't give a sh it.

Severian Carnifex
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.04.17 09:49:00 - [2296]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
Edited by: Mr Kidd on 16/04/2011 21:16:13
Originally by: Paul Mustaka Hekard
Hey, did I miss the (much anticipated) dev blog on this subject? I suppose after tragically failing on development of the new forums, things are probably busy at CCP. But then again, I am dying to see some graphs, tables, anything that demonstrates progress on the bot front.


Nah, you're not missing nothing. The forum fiasco was planned so they could say they were really busy fixing it but instead go on holiday.

Quote:

Right now, with botting as prevalent as it is, the majority of important game content appears to be nothing more than a sham. How can a single player's actions count for squat (ala butterfly effect) when there is no level playing field.



You'd feel the same way if there were no bots.

Quote:

This thread has been quite active for over four months now (and botting has been a source of friction for years). CCP's fanfest presentation was a start; but requires the followup that they promised the player base.




Yeah, but since fanfest it's slowed a lot. I think the drum beaters have concluded that CCP just doesn't give a sh it.



I really hope that thats not the truth... that CCP is working on this... because there is many players that have many chars and paying a couple of subscriptions and questioning him/herself why are they paying it... end answer is: because hope.

But it hurts when you enter the game and see that many other ppl have all stuff free... becouse they have bots that are stealing ore infront your lasers / staling rats infront your weapons / or just bumping you with besotwers every time you undock doing currier missions...

And than their main comes and kill you with your own ISK...

that hurts... thats realy hurts...
don't take away that hope from us... and give us results... and give the meaning to our efforts... because now... every our efforts dont worth anything...

Guitonkagya
Minmatar
The Ouroboros Partnership
Posted - 2011.04.17 12:48:00 - [2297]
 

Originally by: Henry Haphorn



-1

I will tell you why. If you give up simply because RMT has taken over Eve Online, then besically you are sending the wrong message. You are telling the botters and RMT folks that they have won and we have lost. You can leave if you want, but people like me will stay here and fight off until Eve Online ceases to exist. Why? Because we believe there is still hope to win against botters and RMTs. The more of us that stay here hunting down bots, ganking them, griefing them, banning them, reporting them, spying on them, then the better chance we have at winning against them.

Let's face it. CCP can't fight this alone. They need us to deal with the problem as much as we need them. Without us, CCP would potentially lose.

Also, don't think that CCP/Capsuleers/GMs/Devs tolerates RMT or bots. If that was the case, the botting community wouldn't be complaining at all about being banned by CCP nor would the bot community post tips on how to avoid detection. In fact, we care more about saving Eve Online from RMT/Botting than you might think. Just read the thread hosted by Ninjaspud that have been followed up by more than 10 pages of support, intel on bot communities, and how effective CCP has been against them. We are fighting the good fight and we will not rest until we win.

Please, stay here with us and help us fight. Besides, who is to say that the next MMO you get into won't suffer the same problem as Eve Online already is?



+ 1 meeeeellion dollars!!!Twisted Evil NEVER GIVE UP THE FIGHT!!! I agree its a war and CCP can't do it alone.
...

On a serperate but related note: About a week ago I reported 7 macro miners in my home system in the Heimatar region. The other day i had a response to my petition from CCP thanking me for reporting these (non)players. I will wait and see if these botters return, but from initial observations it seems most of them have high-tailed it out of there, perhaps they have a two week ban? Although interestingly enough a 'new' batch of players have suddenly appeared, Legit Alts? or yet another infestation of (the same) botters? Time and observation will tell.

Keep fighting the good fight!
o7

Alexi Komanov
Posted - 2011.04.17 16:45:00 - [2298]
 

The thought that people are giving up the fight is a saddening one.

Guitonkagya
Minmatar
The Ouroboros Partnership
Posted - 2011.04.17 20:39:00 - [2299]
 

Originally by: Tyrant's Bane
Bots need to be killed with fire


Or a 1400mm Artie specced Maelstrom Cool

Henry Haphorn
Gallente
Posted - 2011.04.17 20:56:00 - [2300]
 

Originally by: Guitonkagya
Originally by: Tyrant's Bane
Bots need to be killed with fire


Or a 1400mm Artie specced Maelstrom Cool


Or a helleva lot of T1 Thrashers.

Minarete
Amarr
Posted - 2011.04.17 22:03:00 - [2301]
 

Screw all this Bull***, go to EVE 2.0 and leave all this behind, too much mucking around to fix all of it.

On another note.... SWToR is looking promising for Industrial type persons like me, an established char can have up to 5 "Companions" working for them back at their own ship (or Guild Capitol Ship in the future), and take another one along with you, and one more off doing gathering type tasks by them self, all at the same time.
I truely believe, when SWToR releases later this year, it will drain EVE more than people realize, and all of these dynamics and bots you people are complaining about now, are going to take another change direction.

Anyway, carry on with your Bot Raging, I am anticipating that my 9 accounts will be going dorment with SWToR, not getting rid of them, just letting them go dorment.
4 Mining accts, 1 Orca, 1 Hauler, 2 missioning, one dedicated trade, with research/PI chars scattered among them.

0/




Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.17 23:02:00 - [2302]
 

Good thing then that no insider leaked details on how much of a failure SWToR will be then, so you can with good consciousness let your nine accounts go dormant.

Minarete
Amarr
Posted - 2011.04.17 23:05:00 - [2303]
 

Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Good thing then that no insider leaked details on how much of a failure SWToR will be then, so you can with good consciousness let your nine accounts go dormant.


Blah Blah, heard it before, like before a game called EVE released, and other successful titles, they all come to and end...

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.04.17 23:20:00 - [2304]
 

Originally by: Minarete
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Good thing then that no insider leaked details on how much of a failure SWToR will be then, so you can with good consciousness let your nine accounts go dormant.


Blah Blah, heard it before, like before a game called EVE released, and other successful titles, they all come to and end...


Have fun with the 20gigs worth of dialog that make up the best part of the game. Maybe they manage to pull a miracle and not turn it into another warhammer.

Minarete
Amarr
Posted - 2011.04.17 23:25:00 - [2305]
 

Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Minarete
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Good thing then that no insider leaked details on how much of a failure SWToR will be then, so you can with good consciousness let your nine accounts go dormant.


Blah Blah, heard it before, like before a game called EVE released, and other successful titles, they all come to and end...


Have fun with the 20gigs worth of dialog that make up the best part of the game. Maybe they manage to pull a miracle and not turn it into another warhammer.


So I assume you know about the UI button to skip that right? on the other hand, for the people that enjoy that type of immersion, it is an option that exists, unlike umm EVE?

Anyway, this ia a BOT RAGER threadnaight, not a SWToR thread, back to topic...


Jaden Rose
Posted - 2011.04.18 00:07:00 - [2306]
 

What I find shocking about all of this, the issue has been going on for years. Not only is botting an issue, but look back, an remember the moon mining exploit. I can remember renting space from Goodfellas in Deklein, an seeing bots mining for them. They were desperate for minerals, they were losing their war. I have flown thru drone space, an the areas around it, an the bots there outnumber the players by 2 to 1. Its just shocking that people are finally realizing that the major alliances have alot to do with the botting. It doesn't surprise me that PL has been accused of having bots, it does surprise me it has taken this long for someone to figure out what alot of us already knew. You don't run one of, or the best pvp alliances without ships, an sometimes people cut corners in desperation.

As for the whole issue with finaces, I really hope people don't believe getting rid of the botters would hurt CCP. If anything, it would increase their revenue. Just because you banned a botter doesn't mean that you got rid of them. What it means is, now they have to buy a new account, an start over again. An seriously, what does that mean? Well, if algebra was never easy for you, then don't worry about figuring it out. The botters are supplying the gold sellers, or in this case the isk sellers. This is a huge market, just google away, an you will see. When people start investing alot of time an money into this sort of venture, they start making all sorts of back-up plans, an fail-safes. I hate to be a pesimest, CCP will never get rid of the botters, EVER. You can live in your dream world an say "oh yes they will", but, go look at WoW, Blizzard has been spending millions to fight gold farmers, an they aren't getting rid of them, they keep multiplying like Cockroaches.

CCP could shut down all of the botters, it would be real easy, an it would force the botters to rethink their stradegy. It would also make it harder for the botters to keep working. The answer is so obvious, yet, it would create shockwaves, an people fear rocking the boat. So, until CCP grows a pair, the issue won't get resolved.

I do believe CCP is trying, I just think they are too timid in their approach.

Elyssa MacLeod
Posted - 2011.04.18 02:28:00 - [2307]
 

Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 18/04/2011 02:37:02

Originally by: Paul Mustaka Hekard
Hey, did I miss the (much anticipated) dev blog on this subject?




if you missed it, I did too. The last blog I read was about the forum ****up.

Originally by: Mr Kidd

Nah, you're not missing nothing. The forum fiasco was planned so they could say they were really busy fixing it but instead go on holiday.



Im honestly actually thinking this way, especially how OBVIOUS a ****up that security mistake was and how Sreegs was all about the breach not being his department. It was such an obvious thing to see and test, how could they miss it unless it was on purpose.

Originally by: Minarete
Screw all this Bull***, go to EVE 2.0 and leave all this behind, too much mucking around to fix all of it.

On another note.... SWToR is looking promising for Industrial type persons like me, an established char can have up to 5 "Companions" working for them back at their own ship (or Guild Capitol Ship in the future), and take another one along with you, and one more off doing gathering type tasks by them self, all at the same time.
I truely believe, when SWToR releases later this year, it will drain EVE more than people realize, and all of these dynamics and bots you people are complaining about now, are going to take another change direction.

Anyway, carry on with your Bot Raging, I am anticipating that my 9 accounts will be going dorment with SWToR, not getting rid of them, just letting them go dorment.
4 Mining accts, 1 Orca, 1 Hauler, 2 missioning, one dedicated trade, with research/PI chars scattered among them.

0/






Yeah cause SWTOR wont have bots. Ever.

Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Good thing then that no insider leaked details on how much of a failure SWToR will be then, so you can with good consciousness let your nine accounts go dormant.


Or that they literally need a million subs (not box sales, full on continuous subs) to get out of the red the first year (an that estimate was from like last year, which means they will likely need even more subs).

Originally by: Minarete


Anyway, this ia a BOT RAGER threadnaight, not a SWToR thread, back to topic...




lol YOU bring up the topic "SWTOR is better than EVE" on the EVE-O and youre butthurt when ppl defend EVE? Try this argument on the SWTOR forums. you might havea more positive conversation.

CCP Sreegs

Posted - 2011.04.18 03:22:00 - [2308]
 

Originally by: Paul Mustaka Hekard
Hey, did I miss the (much anticipated) dev blog on this subject? I suppose after tragically failing on development of the new forums, things are probably busy at CCP. But then again, I am dying to see some graphs, tables, anything that demonstrates progress on the bot front.

Right now, with botting as prevalent as it is, the majority of important game content appears to be nothing more than a sham. How can a single player's actions count for squat (ala butterfly effect) when there is no level playing field.

This thread has been quite active for over four months now (and botting has been a source of friction for years). CCP's fanfest presentation was a start; but requires the followup that they promised the player base.




I've been tied up with the forum issues and to be honest I want a few more weeks of analysis before issuing any kind of a report. We're also looking at how best to actually do that reporting. I don't think just slapping up a bunch of graphs showing that a bunch of people had their accounts banned really says anything about the problem. I think we're starting to get some really good information back and I'll be feeding back into things within a couple of weeks.

Elyssa MacLeod
Posted - 2011.04.18 05:12:00 - [2309]
 

Hey Sreegs, Can you comment on wether or not this is legal?
Dude changed the title of the thread but it used to be "is it legal to use a tool that..."

Linkage

Minarete
Amarr
Posted - 2011.04.18 05:15:00 - [2310]
 

Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod
Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 18/04/2011 02:37:02

Originally by: Paul Mustaka Hekard
Hey, did I miss the (much anticipated) dev blog on this subject?




if you missed it, I did too. The last blog I read was about the forum ****up.

Originally by: Mr Kidd

Nah, you're not missing nothing. The forum fiasco was planned so they could say they were really busy fixing it but instead go on holiday.



Im honestly actually thinking this way, especially how OBVIOUS a ****up that security mistake was and how Sreegs was all about the breach not being his department. It was such an obvious thing to see and test, how could they miss it unless it was on purpose.

Originally by: Minarete
Screw all this Bull***, go to EVE 2.0 and leave all this behind, too much mucking around to fix all of it.

On another note.... SWToR is looking promising for Industrial type persons like me, an established char can have up to 5 "Companions" working for them back at their own ship (or Guild Capitol Ship in the future), and take another one along with you, and one more off doing gathering type tasks by them self, all at the same time.
I truely believe, when SWToR releases later this year, it will drain EVE more than people realize, and all of these dynamics and bots you people are complaining about now, are going to take another change direction.

Anyway, carry on with your Bot Raging, I am anticipating that my 9 accounts will be going dorment with SWToR, not getting rid of them, just letting them go dorment.
4 Mining accts, 1 Orca, 1 Hauler, 2 missioning, one dedicated trade, with research/PI chars scattered among them.

0/






Yeah cause SWTOR wont have bots. Ever.

Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Good thing then that no insider leaked details on how much of a failure SWToR will be then, so you can with good consciousness let your nine accounts go dormant.


Or that they literally need a million subs (not box sales, full on continuous subs) to get out of the red the first year (an that estimate was from like last year, which means they will likely need even more subs).

Originally by: Minarete


Anyway, this ia a BOT RAGER threadnaight, not a SWToR thread, back to topic...




lol YOU bring up the topic "SWTOR is better than EVE" on the EVE-O and youre butthurt when ppl defend EVE? Try this argument on the SWTOR forums. you might havea more positive conversation.


Excuse me, I am not butthurt in the least, that is a juvenile argument/statement. I never said some other game is better, I said "SWToR is looking promising for Industrial type persons like me".

It IS getting old watching the Bot Ragers both in and out of the game, they all carry on and the only options that are brought to force is to ban botters?, Gee, how creative, and ineffective.

I have played many MMOs over the last 10 plus years, they all have bots +/- to some extent and various other cheats/exploits, the difference is, that some get creative and just put the bots out of business using various methods to enable the players, I have seen it before. Banning has never stopped the bots.

Will SWToR have bots? I do not doubt it one bit, I think the gamers and game devs need to use new dynamics to make bots ineffective, and not just rage, kill and ban, just make them ineffective in the environment, and they will be minimized, anyone that believes they will never exist, or will go away, is fooling them self

I stand by my prediction, I think SWToR will drain many people away from EVE, we will see wont we?

Also, what is the problem with me steering the thread back on topic after I myself took it on a detour? please tell...



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