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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2011.03.08 00:37:00 - [1621]
 

Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 08/03/2011 00:38:47
Originally by: Minarete
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 07/03/2011 06:41:44
Originally by: Minarete

Are you nuts? I run 4 Hulks, an Orca, and a Mammoth hauler all being run by ONE person, ME. And... this all goes out through a single IP address on my DSL router. I was Mining Saturday like this, so that makes me a Bot?



^^ Good reason to remove plex, apart from funding bots it funds stupidity like the above.


What exactly, does Plex have to do with the fact that I manually run 3 computers using 6 accounts? you make no sense at all.
I pay for all of my accounts with PayPal, a small drop in the bucket each month, I know people that drink more than that in a single night!

And tell me, what about what I do is stupid? the fact that you dont like to do what I do? /shrug, I dont get it.


Well either you spend 89.00 per month, a little over $1000 per year. If you earned 100,000 per year thats 1% of your entire income, on a computer game which is definitely stupid or you use plex to fund the accounts.

If you use plex to fund the accounts then it enables you to earn a huge amounts of isk vs someone who doesn't use plex which for those people is very bad. They have less money and prices are higher, thanks to you and your metagaming.

Either your stupid (for wasting your money) or plex is stupid (for enabling stupid modes of play).

Minarete
Amarr
Posted - 2011.03.08 00:51:00 - [1622]
 

Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 08/03/2011 00:38:47
Originally by: Minarete
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 07/03/2011 06:41:44
Originally by: Minarete

Are you nuts? I run 4 Hulks, an Orca, and a Mammoth hauler all being run by ONE person, ME. And... this all goes out through a single IP address on my DSL router. I was Mining Saturday like this, so that makes me a Bot?



^^ Good reason to remove plex, apart from funding bots it funds stupidity like the above.


What exactly, does Plex have to do with the fact that I manually run 3 computers using 6 accounts? you make no sense at all.
I pay for all of my accounts with PayPal, a small drop in the bucket each month, I know people that drink more than that in a single night!

And tell me, what about what I do is stupid? the fact that you dont like to do what I do? /shrug, I dont get it.


Well either you spend 89.00 per month, a little over $1000 per year. If you earned 100,000 per year thats 1% of your entire income, on a computer game which is definitely stupid or you use plex to fund the accounts.

If you use plex to fund the accounts then it enables you to earn a huge amounts of isk vs someone who doesn't use plex which for those people is very bad. They have less money and prices are higher, thanks to you and your metagaming.

Either your stupid (for wasting your money) or plex is stupid (for enabling stupid modes of play).


You failed to answer either of my questions. Also, what people do for their enjoyment, is that any of your business? lol

How you are Defining "Stupid", is not even rational, people do many many things for personal enjoyment, many of which cost well over $1,000.00 a month, not to mention a year.

When i was younger, I use to race Motorcycles every weekend, that cost me well over $1,000.00 per month, it was very exhilarating. That entertainment was no better or worse than a computer game.

Why do you have such a problem with how I get my enjoyment? does it affect your life? make you cry? what is it?

T'Laar Bok
Posted - 2011.03.08 01:08:00 - [1623]
 

Originally by: Opertone
more than 1 client with same IP adress, all grouped up for mining... all actively playing which is not possible if it was real human.


What total and utter rubbish. I usually run 2 Hulks, sometimes 4 and 2 Orcas for up to 14hrs a day because...

a) I like to cover myself in honey and roll around in all my trit.
b) amphetamines are your friend and
c) work is for the poor.

Oh and thousands of people can share the same IP.


northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
Terran United Federation
Posted - 2011.03.08 01:12:00 - [1624]
 

Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Originally by: Opertone
more than 1 client with same IP adress, all grouped up for mining... all actively playing which is not possible if it was real human.


What total and utter rubbish.


agreed this is rubbish and the person is ******ed. I have two screens and I can run 5 accounts mining.... Mining with muli acounts not hard at all.

RenoIdo
Posted - 2011.03.08 01:17:00 - [1625]
 

The real problem is that botters can run as many accounts as they want without having to pay any real money by using PLEX.
If PLEX was removed, people running bots would need to pay for all their accounts or set up their own RMT buisness and that sounds like a lot of work that I doubt most would bother doing.

If PLEX was removed I bet 3/4 of the bots would be gone.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.08 09:51:00 - [1626]
 

Originally by: RenoIdo

If PLEX was removed I bet 3/4 of the bots would be gone.


Some personal use bots would be gone to be replaced by double that number of bot used by RMT cartels.

PLEX are the strongest weapon against RMT in EVE as they are a legal way to trade RL money for isk, with the added bonus that they don't add isk to the game as buying isk directly from CCP will do.

Part of the problem are the guys that want to PvP without doing any grinding to get isk.

Some of them use bot to avoid the grinding and others sell PLEXes. if the PLEXes are removed you still get the players that bot to grind isk and force the player that formerly were selling PLEXes to get isk to buy from real money traders.

Aeronwen Carys
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.08 10:52:00 - [1627]
 

Originally by: Opertone
Originally by: Mangold
It would be great to hear something from CCP about this.

Or is the silence saying that it's ok to bot? I sure as **** have seen a fair share of chars that are on every time I manage to visit their system. Could be someone without a job, but seriously, do you believe that?

This game used to harsh and a loss really ment something as people had to work to gather enough isk to buy a new ship again. That's no more.

So.....what's the reason to play this game instead of something else? The reasons are getting few.


... this game is ***** and you need to macro, hack, and yellow to enjoy it. Asian attempt to kill the game is not unnoticed, paying to play a failed game is a FAILURE.


To be honest, its racist little bastards like you that are ruining this game. Oh, and reported by the way for racial abuse.

Arnakoz
Posted - 2011.03.08 12:34:00 - [1628]
 

wow. just wow.

1. these guys who "play stupid" and "waste their money" ... eh, they play how they want. they spend their money how they want. calling 6 accounts a month a waste of money is equally true for one account a month - you pay for what you enjoy, and if they can afford it, then how is it your place to judge?

2. it is completely possible to run multiple accounts in this game. especially with mining. you only need to spend like 30 seconds clicking out of every 10 minutes. so i suppose the saturation point(the point where you would be constantly clicking/overwhelmed) would be around 20 accounts. while some of you may be ready to jump all over that claiming that it needs to be fixed - dont. A. the amount of click time has nothing to the with bots and RMT, machines will always be able to click fast enough. B. people enjoy having something they can do passively in the background on occasion, taking it away would solve nothing and ruin an aspect of the game for people.

3. PLEX cannot be the mainstay of RMT botters. and removing it would only HELP them.
maybe we can consider putting on our critical thinking caps. If one took away the plex the RMT guys could sell their isk for that much more RL$; and they would have that much more ISK left over each month to sell (what is it, around 450m per month per character) plus, most of those people who otherwise bought plex for isk would become customers of the RMT guys - and if you understand supply and demand... then they would have that much more RL$ to run their bots with! so while you think plex enables RMT, its the exact opposite - not only could they afford it either way, but they would be more profitable and likely more massive (in terms of char's per RMT) than with PLEX.

RenoIdo
Posted - 2011.03.08 12:42:00 - [1629]
 

Edited by: RenoIdo on 08/03/2011 12:45:00
Originally by: Arnakoz

so while you think plex enables RMT, its the exact opposite - not only could they afford it either way, but they would be more profitable and likely more massive (in terms of char's per RMT) than with PLEX.


I bet 5% of all the bots in eve are RMT.

The other 95% are players running vmware and widely available, free, open source, simple to use bots to fund their own gameplay and subscriptions.

Out of those 95% of bots that are not involved in RMT, very few would start their own buisness just to be able to sub their multiple bot accounts. These players that are botting are doing so because they can't afford to blow real money on tons of subscriptions or PLEX's.

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.08 12:58:00 - [1630]
 

Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 07/03/2011 06:41:44
Originally by: Minarete

Are you nuts? I run 4 Hulks, an Orca, and a Mammoth hauler all being run by ONE person, ME. And... this all goes out through a single IP address on my DSL router. I was Mining Saturday like this, so that makes me a Bot?


^^ Good reason to remove plex, apart from funding bots it funds stupidity like the above.


I forgot to add 24/7... your bot knowledge is incredible. But looks more like malice and spite rather than helpfulness.

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.08 13:01:00 - [1631]
 

Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Originally by: Opertone
more than 1 client with same IP adress, all grouped up for mining... all actively playing which is not possible if it was real human.


What total and utter rubbish. I usually run 2 Hulks, sometimes 4 and 2 Orcas for up to 14hrs a day because...

a) I like to cover myself in honey and roll around in all my trit.
b) amphetamines are your friend and
c) work is for the poor.

Oh and thousands of people can share the same IP.





sorry dude, don't be hurt, I meant ... ALL ACTIVELY PLAYING 24/7, which is not possible for a human being.

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.03.08 13:05:00 - [1632]
 

Originally by: RenoIdo
I bet 5% of all the bots in eve are RMT.

The other 95% are players running vmware and widely available, free, open source, simple to use bots to fund their own gameplay and subscriptions.

Out of those 95% of bots that are not involved in RMT, very few would start their own buisness just to be able to sub their multiple bot accounts. These players that are botting are doing so because they can't afford to blow real money on tons of subscriptions or PLEX's.

I tend to agree with you.

Why not seperate the RMT and botting problems? I also bet the majority of macro users use them to pay their subscriptions with plex and get in-game money for themselves and/or their alliance.

If you don't use it for RMT that doesn't make it ok imo ..

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.03.08 17:27:00 - [1633]
 

Originally by: RenoIdo


Out of those 95% of bots that are not involved in RMT, very few would start their own business just to be able to sub their multiple bot accounts. These players that are botting are doing so because they can't afford to blow real money on tons of subscriptions or PLEX's.


They do not have to start their own business. Web sites that sell isk also buy it. Botting for dollars is just a click away.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.08 19:07:00 - [1634]
 

Its become quite amusing watching the alts of various alliance characters trying to induce FUD (or as I call it "muddying the water") in this thread.

Choice is pretty simple - you support cheating or you don't. No weasel words.

Yes or no, pretty simple choice really.

Also pretty obvious which choices on the CSM are active botting corps/alliances. Perhaps thats a sensible use of the (otherwise utterly useless) vote everyone is entitled to - vote for the known botting corp/alliances = vote for cheating. Vote for any other random passing moron = vote against cheating. Yeah maybe for once a vote for CSM might mean something other than sending another muppet to Iceland.

Milken Gekko
Posted - 2011.03.08 19:22:00 - [1635]
 

What about ALL of Chribba's site that display big google ads for ISK sellers... those ads are seen and clicked everyday by hundreds of eve players... now tell me that's not convenient.

Oh wait, I forgot that was ok... kinda like those rappers who don't deal drugs but can't seem to stop singing about it for some reasons.

Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.03.08 19:26:00 - [1636]
 

I have personally observed some 0.0 bot behaviors, they are smart enough not to get safe when standings are positive. So they ignore blues. As soon as a non-blue comes in local, they warp to safe or POS

as alliance member I was told not to attack bots if they are blue, and they are blue cause they pay rent.

LittleTerror
Day Unhappy Security Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.08 19:30:00 - [1637]
 

CCP Stop macro users!

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.08 19:35:00 - [1638]
 

Originally by: Ephemeron
I have personally observed some 0.0 bot behaviors, they are smart enough not to get safe when standings are positive. So they ignore blues. As soon as a non-blue comes in local, they warp to safe or POS

as alliance member I was told not to attack bots if they are blue, and they are blue cause they pay rent.


That is standard practice for -A- and AAA Citizens. As you've said your alliance knows all about it and benefits greatly. TBH I have never seen a AAA Citizen doing anything other than bot.

-A- and AAA Citizens cheat on an organised basis. Ephemeron has just confirmed that quite clearly.

Over to you CCP Rolling Eyes

We won't hold our breath for you doing anything as we know you're not going to bother.

Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.03.08 19:54:00 - [1639]
 

Make no mistake, ALL big alliances have members or renters that employ bots - with or without public knowledge of alliance leaders.

It would be political suicide for any alliance to take hard stance against botting. When everyone else does it, you have to do it to stay competitive.

However, it is also wrong to assume that every member of big alliance supports botting. Most of the PvPers hate botting, they just can't do anything. CCP has to level the playing field.

Milken Gekko
Posted - 2011.03.08 19:57:00 - [1640]
 

so we need political suicides... I'll get right on that

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.08 20:12:00 - [1641]
 

Originally by: Ephemeron
Make no mistake, ALL big alliances have members or renters that employ bots - with or without public knowledge of alliance leaders.

It would be political suicide for any alliance to take hard stance against botting. When everyone else does it, you have to do it to stay competitive.

However, it is also wrong to assume that every member of big alliance supports botting. Most of the PvPers hate botting, they just can't do anything. CCP has to level the playing field.


Well up to a point I agree. Then I look at Stain. Been AAA Citizens in there macro ratting for at least 3 YEARS.

So while I agree with you that macro ratting is endemic I don't agree with your statement of "most of the pvpers hate botting" as many of the "pvpers" in -A- are the people RUNNING the bots in Stain (and Catch last year).

You're inside -A- and I respect you for being honest but you KNOW that botting is encouraged amongst the -A- renters. It always has been, otherwise how are they going to pay the rent each month?

I hope the new BOFH guy has a clue about the community feeling here. I suspect he doesn't and gods help him if he doesn't for he'll be roasted alive - as will CCP who are on the last of their nine lives regarding this matter.

MahNyx
Posted - 2011.03.08 21:38:00 - [1642]
 

Originally by: Othran
I hope the new BOFH guy has a clue about the community feeling here. I suspect he doesn't and gods help him if he doesn't for he'll be roasted alive - as will CCP who are on the last of their nine lives regarding this matter.


what matter? this is much ado about nothing.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.08 21:44:00 - [1643]
 

Originally by: MahNyx

what matter? this is much ado about nothing.


Oh I don't know about that. At the very least this thread - and the now-promised FF response - will indicate to people whether they should go bot themselves. Not much point in staying "honest" if the GMs don't ban mmm?

So for that reason anyway we should keep the thread in view.

Do feel free to keep muddying the water though Wink

Durnin Stormbrow
Posted - 2011.03.08 22:06:00 - [1644]
 

Edited by: Durnin Stormbrow on 08/03/2011 22:08:12
Originally by: Milken Gekko
What about ALL of Chribba's site that display big google ads for ISK sellers... those ads are seen and clicked everyday by hundreds of eve players... now tell me that's not convenient.


Funny thing is that when I go there, I don't get adds for isk sellers, bots, cheats, hacks, game guides or anything else like that.
I guess my history doesn't suggest to GoogleAds I'd be interested in those products.
Edit: Just double checked... ad for Allstate insurance.

Minarete
Amarr
Posted - 2011.03.08 22:08:00 - [1645]
 

Edited by: Minarete on 08/03/2011 22:09:24
Originally by: Durnin Stormbrow
Edited by: Durnin Stormbrow on 08/03/2011 22:07:25
Originally by: Milken Gekko
What about ALL of Chribba's site that display big google ads for ISK sellers... those ads are seen and clicked everyday by hundreds of eve players... now tell me that's not convenient.


Funny thing is that when I go there, I don't get adds for isk sellers, bots, cheats, hacks, game guides or anything else like that.
I guess my history doesn't suggest to GoogleAds I'd be interested in those products.
Edit: Just double checked... add for Allstate insurance.


Ya, all i get is P O R N site ads.. oh, never mind..


Herr Starrr
Posted - 2011.03.08 22:20:00 - [1646]
 

It seems to me given the upcoming announcement at fanfest that any action or change is already decided.

I remember reading online a while back about a poker site using software to identify a bot to player ratio using different flags such as time active online.
Hopefully CCP follows similar but also monitor bot software development and copy the small patch theory to frustrating these programmes.
Monitoring a users time online before and after a patch that stops bot software can probably be programmed only for those flagged, eg after reading one forum today they mentioned they were all offline after a major patch for about 1 week.
Comments earlier about eve not being compatible with certain things in vmware gives examples of small changes that can be made.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

Now for a question.
Name me the csm candidates with no null sec alliance links since they all to some degree appear to be as bad as each other for allowing botting.

LABIUM LEAK
Posted - 2011.03.08 22:27:00 - [1647]
 

http://tinyurl.com/6kgafhx mass ban please ccp

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.03.09 00:04:00 - [1648]
 

CCP Sreegs, where are you? This thread was much more fun with your participation. Please come back.

Also, you said you were going to address my last set of questions, but never did.

Kilarya Amarri
Posted - 2011.03.09 06:03:00 - [1649]
 

well it seams that booting problem last about 2/3 of game life so i am curious just how much of the problem is it, 5/6 years of doing nothing sounds terrible and quick fix then isn't possible?

just how much of them are there in % vs real player?

why was booting allowed in the first place common logic dictate preventing thing before epidemic hit the fan.

Devil's Call
Caldari
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.03.09 07:35:00 - [1650]
 

Originally by: Kilarya Amarri
well it seams that booting problem last about 2/3 of game life so i am curious just how much of the problem is it, 5/6 years of doing nothing sounds terrible and quick fix then isn't possible?

just how much of them are there in % vs real player?

why was booting allowed in the first place common logic dictate preventing thing before epidemic hit the fan.



I'm not exactly sure what you mean...? 2/3th of game life? You imply that 2/3th of the entire game is made out of bots... or what? I suspect that the number of bots can go as high as 10%, maby even higher... hence CCP is carefull with banning them, as they might see a huge dip in subscribers. But then again, the potential subscribers that might all come and/or come back to the game after it has been purged of bots might be huge. I really hope that they can figure something out before incarna hits:-).


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