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Burnharder
Posted - 2011.03.04 08:54:00 - [1531]
 

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer

A properly applied dongle for a fully encrypted program with runtime checks, authentication calls, and a statically linked (before encryption) library is an extremely tough nut to crack. Nothing is impossible to crack but if it takes more cost to crack it than the software is worth they don't bother.



We use dongles at work for the stuff we sell (SafeNet USB dongles). I had to write the UI and access software for them with one particular product. They're quite expensive for what they are though - around 30 each. They have a "cheat counter", plus in order to program the dongle you need 4 different keys (they send them personalised per customer). They aren't uncrackable (nothing is), but they make the effort of doing so impossible for the casual hacker and possible for only an expert. Complete overkill and too expensive for a game of course.

CCP Sreegs

Posted - 2011.03.04 09:58:00 - [1532]
 

Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 04/03/2011 09:59:17
Originally by: Natalia Kovac
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Jack Gilligan
Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 01/03/2011 15:48:05
Originally by: Ephemeron
First try get an official statement from CCP whether they value their profit margin more or less than they value the hardcore gaming ideals.

CCP is either with us, or they are with the enemy. They need make clear what side they are on. Money or values.


Their complete lack of response (other than to send sniper mods in here to delete or edit comments that embarrass CCP) is pretty damming isn't it?

I'm beginning to think that we should all just start botting, not for sale or anything but just for ourselves. Why not? CCP doesn't punish it or take it seriously. And it would save us the need to purchase overpriced GTC's to sell as PLEX wouldn't it? It'd be like having your own cadre of Tech moons, without the need to defend them or do the POS logistical bullcrap. Heck, I could have that Aeon I've always wanted by next week.

CCP in their silence and inactivity is practically ENDORSING this.



I responded to this thread a few times. I stated that we have a team working on the issue and we'd have information for you in the coming weeks. I stated that we in no way endorse this activity and never will. I am pretty clear on these things and that is our one and only policy.

I understand that there's a lot of concern in the community about this particular issue. I'm rather concerned myself. Let's not pretend however that simply because I've said something's going to take a bit of time to do well or that because my posts were in the early stages of a large thread, that we're ignoring the issue. We've said precisely the opposite and we have nothing to gain from lying to you.

It's a complex issue which requires a careful solution, whether it appears that way outwardly or not. I'd look to Fanfest as a good time to obtain more information on this particular subject as a not-so-subtle hint on when you can expect to hear more.


Why does it take a threadnaught or articles from outside media like Evenews 24 or RPS before you guys will even respond to anything?


A) Every thread with people posting in it isn't a "threadnaught"
B) As I've said, and will be made crystal clear at FF when I can show timelines, this problem was being addressed long before this thread ever existed.
C) This problem was also being addressed long before anyone's blog wrote about it.
D) I did respond with the best response I could a while back and that really didn't change anything. I don't think it does any of us any good to continue wasting our time shouting into the wind. If people do not want to listen I can't force them to. Now that I have some solid dates it made sense to post again.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.04 10:36:00 - [1533]
 

Originally by: Richard Aiel

Im really not trying to be the above epithet, but months this thread has been around, 50+ pages deep, mostly agreeing withe the issue, lots seeming to quit over it, and a dev comes in, gives us a few honeyed words, points to Fanfest as the solution to all our worries and everyone is just falling lock step in behind him?

A few words and youre all ok with that?
Wow.. its easy to please you all lol



My account is still suspended - runs out in a couple of months - so I'll wait and see what is said/done at FF.

If its weasel words then I know where I stand and I'll act accordingly.

He's given us a date, lets hear the man out and THEN decide whether its more CCP fluff or a genuine change in the company's attitude.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.03.04 10:54:00 - [1534]
 

Originally by: CCP Sreegs

B) As I've said, and will be made crystal clear at FF when I can show timelines, this problem was being addressed long before this thread ever existed.
C) This problem was also being addressed long before anyone's blog wrote about it...


All I can say is that I hope you're about to deliver a lot more than you have been doing. If you say you've been "addressing" the bot problem "long before" now, then I'll take your word for it but the plain fact is, on a practical basis, those addresses have had very little effect.

When swarms of utterly blatant bots, which are reported, are tolerated for months (Hi to the guys in Igunn!), how much faith are we supposed to have in those addresses?

Since we've waited for so long for some effective action on this problem, then waiting a few more weeks till fanfest is no biggie. If that's the timeline, so be it.

But we expect to see real results this time. And for those results to be maintained, not just a one-off event like Unholy Rage

Sitara
Minmatar
Solar Flare Trade and Production
Posted - 2011.03.04 11:20:00 - [1535]
 

Meh - I used to get worked up about RMT but just lost the will ...

Buying in game cash for RL money == RMT whatever the method used.

This is now even in the game mechnics (aka Plexs and GTC sales)

So removing these might be a good start !

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.04 11:26:00 - [1536]
 

Originally by: Malcanis

When swarms of utterly blatant bots, which are reported, are tolerated for months (Hi to the guys in Igunn!)


If you petitioned them as well then that makes at least 13 people who have petitioned the same courier bots. Says it all really doesn't it - bots are still there and everyone in the area is aware of them.

Shandir
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.03.04 11:55:00 - [1537]
 

Guys - no matter how many times you say "Now now now now NOW!" they aren't going to fix the problem overnight.
Sreegs has already said they've got a plan, and Unholy Rage was a similar event - they kicked the botters/RMT guys wholesale out of the game.
Good ideas take time to implement, wait till FF and see what they've got planned. Also, note the CSM isn't raging about this issue - that's a hint that what they've got planned (that the CSM probably know about) might work.

But I agree that there should be a no tolerance attitude towards botting and RMT - please also come down on those to whom the ISK keeps going to, too. Take the ISK back out of the system. (Please implement an 'undo' feature for a player's purchases, ISK transfers, etc)

Scyth Darkhope
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.03.04 12:00:00 - [1538]
 

Edited by: Scyth Darkhope on 04/03/2011 12:00:27
Clearly, the less we know about this subject, the better for the non cheater players.

While I think the main problem with EVE nowadays is botting, if CCP announced what are they going to do, it would give much more time for the botters to adapt. Now, I'm not generally a fan of obfuscation techniques, but in this case since only CCP has any power in this game, I do feel it is justified.

Arnakoz
Posted - 2011.03.04 12:50:00 - [1539]
 

Originally by: Corran Do'Urden

Unless your university is different, most universities have static IP's. They don't change. Stuff from Comcast, yeah, that changes on whenever you refresh your connection. Mac address can be changed as well, etc, etc. Far as I know I don't share my IP with anyone else. Also, by initiated, Bob uses the guess past to get a 14 day character. Bob sends his new alt a plex to convert into a legit account and proceeds to bot. Hence Bob initiated the botting and should be banned.
Far as I'd wager, a fair amount of statistics would be useful for tracking trends of established botters and then used in comparison to find more. My 'providing a situation' as you so called above.


static or not, the point was that multiple people are using the same IP. as individuals/residential homes are concerned, each time you simply disconnect from your ISP for more than about a minute you will LIKELY be given a different than the one you had. and someone else will have the one you had. barring disconnecting, your ISP may or may not give you a new IP for their own reasons. even if you have 20 chars mining for 16 hours straight, it could very well be a LAN party or dorm group. And, via TOR or proxies, one player with 20 accounts mining for 16 hours would look like 20 different players mining. so how could YOU figure out which is which? the point is that IP's are not good tools for tracking players. if the IPs match, and the names are all something stupid like "bot1, bot2, bot3" then you may be on to something.

as for the buddy system, I've known of plenty of real players to use it in getting an alt - more frequently to help another player get an alt. not sure what the mechanics are there tbh... but, the problem still remains that if the botters think that using the buddy program will flag them, they simply wont use it.

other things to consider are
that a lot of people do passive activities, well... passively. so being unresponsive to attacks/convo's isn't really proof.
people grind, so doing the same thing for multiple hours isn't really proof either. the two of those go hand in hand even, as actively grinding would be harder to accomplish for many hours on end than passive play.
consistency in warp and in-station times is likely randomized by the bot makers as not to be obvious, so the logs won't show much...
spyware can be circumvented. i.e. despite massive efforts on the part of blizzard, they still have bots.
the only thing which would be proof is playing 10+ hours a day EVERYDAY. and even then, short of 23/7 play, this could very well be a recently unemployed person, or a no-life teen that is on vacation/suspended/playing hooky from school... etc. so unless the trend lasts for many months, you can't fully say that it's a bot. and I suppose even then it could be a wealthy person who really just loves eve. and while $$+nothing but eve isn't likely, it is possible. so - only 23/7 game. but what if the bots only run ~10 hours a day, and sometimes dont play at all?

so what are we left with at this point? only botters who do 23/7 game play, and those dumb enough to link 20 accounts with the same credit card and play them all for several hours at a time, and the IP being consistent between them every time the IP changes even... which is likely a small subset of bots that have already been banned; and now bot smart.

all i'm saying is that for all practical purposes a BOT behaves and looks EXACTLY like a real player. the botters strive for this fact i'm sure. it is a problem with virtually no solution. some amount of a massive overhual of the game itself may be the key, but i have no clue what that would entail. and i don't think anyone else in this thread has one either.

Arnakoz
Posted - 2011.03.04 13:06:00 - [1540]
 

Originally by: Sitara
Meh - I used to get worked up about RMT but just lost the will ...

Buying in game cash for RL money == RMT whatever the method used.

This is now even in the game mechnics (aka Plexs and GTC sales)

So removing these might be a good start !


that is a conundrum - because the purpose of plex is to create an effective exchange rate of ISK/$. You see, as the ISK value of PLEX goes up, the value of the isk in real money goes down; because who is going to pay $20 for 500M, and take a risk, when they could buy a PLEX for $15 and get 450M. so what CCP did was cut the profitability of the RMT guys in half. plus, people who may have otherwise gone to the RMT guys now have a method of legally obtaining isk with real $; further decreasing the rewards of botting/RMT.

but i do see you're point. there is something ultimately unfair about the fact that people with real cash will go vastly further than those without. but we would still have the problem that those same people could have still gone to the RMT guys - thus plex isn't really the problem. it is that plex needs to exist in the first place. personally i think PLEX was genius. and i'm not even one who can afford them (in RL or in game...)

Ban Doga
Posted - 2011.03.04 13:36:00 - [1541]
 

Originally by: CCP Sreegs
D) I did respond with the best response I could a while back and that really didn't change anything. I don't think it does any of us any good to continue wasting our time shouting into the wind. If people do not want to listen I can't force them to.

I think the problem is not with listening.
Maybe you should try to see this not as people ignoring what was said but rather as people being disappointed at the (perceived) ineffectiveness of whatever measures are in effect.

That's why repeating the same message does not change anything...

Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Now that I have some solid dates it made sense to post again.

Are those "solid dates" contained somewhere in your reply?
I don't think I saw any.

Sito Jaxa
Posted - 2011.03.04 13:37:00 - [1542]
 

Originally by: Brannoncyll
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Originally by: Sito Jaxa
With all this anti-botting talk I must say I'm worried that CCP will make a knee-jerk reaction that will ultimately give rise to tremendous RMT pressures in the game.

From a player perspective te RMT issue is not as important as te non RMT bot issue.

The non RMT botters are the ones botting to gain a huge advantage over other players in terms of funding alliances, spamming capitals and beating those who dont bot.

Sure alliances can buy isk for real life cash from RMTs however they can do that legally anyway and it costs real life cash. The real problem is people farming for themselves at no cost, to gain decisive advantages over other eve players.




Agreed. While RMT has a negative affect on the game, to the average player it is those that bot to gain an advantage over others that cause the most irritation. It cheapens the experience of those of us who work for our isk, that others have a free ride and can always field superior fleets.


That is the biggest nail problem right now. It could just as easily be an RMT epidemic again where the wealthy players buy cheap isk to gain an advantage over others. When the biggest barrier to playing endgame content is whether you grind for 1000+ hours to earn enough for a MS, and having a MS is the whole of endgame content, there will be unfair ways for people to get there.

RMT and botting are a teeter-totter effect. If you banned all bots RMT would take off. PLEX would drop to like 150-200m or less so it would not be feasible to pay for expensive ships with them, driving demand to RMT. Many of the people who bot will buy an unfair advantage (you think bots are free?) no matter which way you slice it. It's a byproduct of the current system in EVE and will not go away unless that system is changed.

With that said though I don't believe CCP has it in them to make fundamental game changes at this point in their eve timeline. 'Fixing' their problem would require a significant investment into understanding the psychology of gamers (how addiction to work for reward functions), and then significant changes to game mechanics. Then you run into the problem where the current player-base are attracted because the balance we have suits them, and CCP would **** them off badly in hopes of attracting a new non-botting-inclined player-base, etc.

If you follow the deductions far enough you just figure out that from a bottom line perspective EVE has peaked and CCP needs to (and is) put the bulk of its energy into new MMOs. With that assumption reached you see that mass banning of thousands of accounts will cost CCP revenue that it will only struggle to replace.

Here is the same problem from another perspective-
EVE attracts players who are willing to risk what they have to win. Botting and RMT are natural extensions to this mentality. People who are risk-averse will not stick with EVE as long.

Soma Khan
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.04 13:40:00 - [1543]
 

Originally by: CCP Sreegs

A) Every thread with people posting in it isn't a "threadnaught"
B) As I've said, and will be made crystal clear at FF when I can show timelines, this problem was being addressed long before this thread ever existed.
C) This problem was also being addressed long before anyone's blog wrote about it.
D) I did respond with the best response I could a while back and that really didn't change anything. I don't think it does any of us any good to continue wasting our time shouting into the wind. If people do not want to listen I can't force them to. Now that I have some solid dates it made sense to post again.
a fanfest announcement about banning thousands of nc botters will go a long way to making the eve community a happier place

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.03.04 13:40:00 - [1544]
 

Originally by: Ban Doga

Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Now that I have some solid dates it made sense to post again.

Are those "solid dates" contained somewhere in your reply?
I don't think I saw any.


It helps to read little more from thread than just last page... friendly hint

Arnakoz
Posted - 2011.03.04 14:01:00 - [1545]
 

Originally by: Sito Jaxa

Agreed. While RMT has a negative affect on the game, to the average player it is those that bot to gain an advantage over others that cause the most irritation. It cheapens the experience of those of us who work for our isk, that others have a free ride and can always field superior fleets.


That is the biggest nail problem right now. It could just as easily be an RMT epidemic again where the wealthy players buy cheap isk to gain an advantage over others. When the biggest barrier to playing endgame content is whether you grind for 1000+ hours to earn enough for a MS, and having a MS is the whole of endgame content, there will be unfair ways for people to get there.

RMT and botting are a teeter-totter effect. If you banned all bots RMT would take off. PLEX would drop to like 150-200m or less so it would not be feasible to pay for expensive ships with them, driving demand to RMT. Many of the people who bot will buy an unfair advantage (you think bots are free?) no matter which way you slice it. It's a byproduct of the current system in EVE and will not go away unless that system is changed.

With that said though I don't believe CCP has it in them to make fundamental game changes at this point in their eve timeline. 'Fixing' their problem would require a significant investment into understanding the psychology of gamers (how addiction to work for reward functions), and then significant changes to game mechanics. Then you run into the problem where the current player-base are attracted because the balance we have suits them, and CCP would **** them off badly in hopes of attracting a new non-botting-inclined player-base, etc.

If you follow the deductions far enough you just figure out that from a bottom line perspective EVE has peaked and CCP needs to (and is) put the bulk of its energy into new MMOs. With that assumption reached you see that mass banning of thousands of accounts will cost CCP revenue that it will only struggle to replace.

Here is the same problem from another perspective-
EVE attracts players who are willing to risk what they have to win. Botting and RMT are natural extensions to this mentality. People who are risk-averse will not stick with EVE as long.


exactly.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.03.04 14:17:00 - [1546]
 

Originally by: CCP employee

D) I did respond with the best response I could a while back and that really didn't change anything



So, today I witnessed to the kill of the famous nine mackinaws botter.

Without CCP doing anything tangible the guy destroyed a market by himself.

Without CCP doing anything tangible the guy grew to fourteen mining bots plus Orcas!!

FOURTEEN MINING BOTS IN ONE HI SEC SYSTEM AND THIS IS JUST ONE "PLAYER" OF THOUSANDS THAT DO WTF THEY WANT EVERY DAY, ALL DAYS SPITTING OVER THE EULA.



End result: organized disco suicide gank. All but one of the exhumers killed.
The pods happily stayed there, the survived one kept happily go to and from like nothing happend.

What the hell do we have to do MORE to make CCP do something?

Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
Posted - 2011.03.04 15:20:00 - [1547]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha

What the hell do we have to do MORE to make CCP do something?


I do not recommend or condone it, but some player actions have been known to trigger GM responses or at least get their attention, for example ejecting a freighter full of shuttles (dunno if this still has the same effect nowdays).

This gave me an idea: if we had player-anchored obstacles in space, at least mining bots would have a harder time making ISK ... Same if we could anchor warp bubbles and they exhibited the sucking effect in high sec, but without the warp disruption effect, that might be fun.

CCP Navigator


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.04 15:20:00 - [1548]
 

Thread cleaned. Please be aware that posting GM correspondence, paraphrasing communications from CCP staff or promotion of illegal activity is not permitted on the forums at any time. We appreciate that players are passionate about this issue but we urge you to report any illegal activity or problems with RMT through the petition system.

Ban Doga
Posted - 2011.03.04 15:55:00 - [1549]
 

Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Originally by: Ban Doga

Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Now that I have some solid dates it made sense to post again.

Are those "solid dates" contained somewhere in your reply?
I don't think I saw any.


It helps to read little more from thread than just last page... friendly hint


Thank you for your friendly hint.

I can assure you I read every reply from a CCP official in this post (http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1426740/author/CCP).
However I still didn't find anything that matches my definition of "solid dates" (maybe this was supposed to be the announcement for FF), which probably indicates that I expect something else behind that phrase.

Sorry, but your friendly hint didn't help at all.

G 0 D
Posted - 2011.03.04 17:02:00 - [1550]
 

Edited by: G 0 D on 04/03/2011 17:03:12
I do not understand why so many people hate bottters, when the game has PLEX and everyone can RMT as much as they want legitamelty through CCP's hands?

Everyone with RL money can have unlimated isk, so I dont exactly understand why so many are complaining about the unfair advantage they have.

Eve isn't really a competitive mmo at all, because it is both P2P and has a cash shop (PLEX) It's basically a pay to win game that you also have to pay for monthly.

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.03.04 17:18:00 - [1551]
 

Originally by: CCP Sreegs
this problem was being addressed long before this thread ever existed.
C) This problem was also being addressed long before anyone's blog wrote about it.



If you read through this thread, youll note that all that addressing youve done previously added up to nothing more than to **** off everyone here, so your new measures had better be HUGE
...and done give us the "whoa dont aim too high buddy" crap cause till now, "working on it" as you say youve been doing = NOTHING.
"The problem was addressed long before..." what does "was addressed" mean exactly? Cause, again, read the thread. Apparently "addressed" is insufficient.

Bhattran
Posted - 2011.03.04 17:35:00 - [1552]
 

Originally by: G 0 D
Edited by: G 0 D on 04/03/2011 17:03:12
I do not understand why so many people hate bottters, when the game has PLEX and everyone can RMT as much as they want legitamelty through CCP's hands?

Everyone with RL money can have unlimated isk, so I dont exactly understand why so many are complaining about the unfair advantage they have.

Eve isn't really a competitive mmo at all, because it is both P2P and has a cash shop (PLEX) It's basically a pay to win game that you also have to pay for monthly.


If you are actually honest about your question the answer is in this thread and similar ones that are probably locked by now or just archived, some of the RMT/plex issues were also addressed in the microtranaction threads. Honestly it has been discussed from everyone's POV plex=rmt plex=rmt (with strings), plex!=rmt, and so on.

Your summation is partially correct on numerous other levels that have nothing to do with Pay to play and the 'non competitive' aspect BUT going on your premise should players accept the 'unfairness' from bots AS well as all the other issues? I and I think most if not all the people who want CCP to work harder on fighitng botting would say no we shouldn't accept players cheating there are enough 'legitimate' ways to get ahead.

Durnin Stormbrow
Posted - 2011.03.04 17:39:00 - [1553]
 

Originally by: G 0 D
I do not understand why so many people hate bottters, when the game has PLEX and everyone can RMT as much as they want legitamelty through CCP's hands?
This has to be a troll, right?

If you really don't understand the issue, there's 52 pages of people going into the details of the problem right here; talking about how bots screw up the economy, feed RMT, drive corruption in the game, and skew the game toward becoming an arena game called Capitols Online. How Plex for isk and RMT works into the problem has been detailed many times as well.

G 0 D
Posted - 2011.03.04 17:46:00 - [1554]
 

Originally by: Durnin Stormbrow
Originally by: G 0 D
I do not understand why so many people hate bottters, when the game has PLEX and everyone can RMT as much as they want legitamelty through CCP's hands?
This has to be a troll, right?

If you really don't understand the issue, there's 52 pages of people going into the details of the problem right here; talking about how bots screw up the economy, feed RMT, drive corruption in the game, and skew the game toward becoming an arena game called Capitols Online. How Plex for isk and RMT works into the problem has been detailed many times as well.


I am very serious. I don't understand why someone botting is any different than someone buying isk from CCP.

Both completely kill the competetive aspect of the game.

Dariah Stardweller
Gallente
NO U111 Enterprises
Posted - 2011.03.04 18:58:00 - [1555]
 

Originally by: G 0 D
Edited by: G 0 D on 04/03/2011 17:03:12
I do not understand why so many people hate bottters, when the game has PLEX and everyone can RMT as much as they want legitamelty through CCP's hands?

Everyone with RL money can have unlimated isk, so I dont exactly understand why so many are complaining about the unfair advantage they have.


I have no problems with RMT, I DO have severe problems with bots though. It's cheating and brings trouble to game balance.

Arnakoz
Posted - 2011.03.04 19:33:00 - [1556]
 

Originally by: G 0 D

I am very serious. I don't understand why someone botting is any different than someone buying isk from CCP.

Both completely kill the competetive aspect of the game.


my question: how is people having more money a more unfair advantage than people having more time to play?

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.03.04 19:37:00 - [1557]
 

Originally by: G 0 D

I am very serious. I don't understand why someone botting is any different than someone buying isk from CCP.




To some extent its a question of magnitude. You cannot buy unlimited isk, the amount you can buy is limited by how much money you have. The amount of isk you can get via RMT or by buying and using a bot is larger, sometimes far larger, then the amount you get via PLEX. So the player who gets isk by cheating has an advantage over those who do not cheat.

We do not want eve to become a "you must cheat to win" game.

Another issue is the cheating itself. If a person is willing to cheat on something as trivial as a game, how can you trust them to obey the rules when it counts?

Chesty McJubblies
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.03.04 19:43:00 - [1558]
 

Originally by: G 0 D
Originally by: Durnin Stormbrow
Originally by: G 0 D
I do not understand why so many people hate bottters, when the game has PLEX and everyone can RMT as much as they want legitamelty through CCP's hands?
This has to be a troll, right?

If you really don't understand the issue, there's 52 pages of people going into the details of the problem right here; talking about how bots screw up the economy, feed RMT, drive corruption in the game, and skew the game toward becoming an arena game called Capitols Online. How Plex for isk and RMT works into the problem has been detailed many times as well.


I am very serious. I don't understand why someone botting is any different than someone buying isk from CCP.

Both completely kill the competetive aspect of the game.


lol

Xelena Shellar
Posted - 2011.03.04 20:07:00 - [1559]
 

Originally by: Arnakoz
Originally by: G 0 D

I am very serious. I don't understand why someone botting is any different than someone buying isk from CCP.

Both completely kill the competetive aspect of the game.


my question: how is people having more money a more unfair advantage than people having more time to play?


The real question here is 'Who ever told all these people that EVE was fair?" EVE is by design the most terribly unfair MMO out there, it is part of its charm :P

Sitara
Minmatar
Solar Flare Trade and Production
Posted - 2011.03.04 20:26:00 - [1560]
 

Originally by: G 0 D
I am very serious. I don't understand why someone botting is any different than someone buying isk from CCP.

Both completely kill the competetive aspect of the game.


Signed and the biggest reason none of my characters play the 'big 0.0 PvP game' anymore and I just resub for a month or two here and there these days


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