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Almethea
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.06 19:38:00 - [91]
 

no ?!

Eve has bot?

/me facepalm and emoragequit

Cyrus Doul
E0 Corp
Posted - 2010.12.06 19:50:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: Cyrus Doul on 06/12/2010 20:15:07
Originally by: Quazal Atreides
ok show me evidence.get a GM to audit my accounts. you know nothing about account

the fact is you decided to slander a real person you know find yourself trying to justify this by the "you fit the potrait"

let me let you into a little secret.

In a game of chance (using somer site) 1 in 8 chance or 12.5% then should the numbers be completly random then the same number will come up 12.5% of the time

So using this logic betting on the same number 1000 times will give you 125 wins now assuming your wins are not the small ships then you win isk..
Using this logic is how i play when i goto casino (which i do 1 a month) i play roulette and guess what.... i use the same numbers on teh roulette table, now unless im mistaken i dont need to plug myself into the power mains, i am definatly human

But also if i was RMTing why would i then not take all my winning as isk..
My winnings are split between the following numbers

Value of Blinks Won 161,900,000,000 ISK
Winnings Transformed to Blink Credit 31,235,106,000 ISK
Winnings Transformed to ISK 24,949,820,000 ISK

now if i was RMTing then i would transfer every single win to isk otherwise would be pointless...

I have nothing to hide so unless you want to get a GM involved take your little 2 isk ass back to your carebear home and finally.. does a BOT really offer services to the other players eve, have you even bothered to check in teh trade channels.. speak to other players who have known me for 3 years before you start to slander my name.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1173454&page=1 1st service ive offered )still the only free copr creation service in eve
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1297027&page=1 another service i offered with comments from customers.
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1360011/page/2#32 a public share offering

Now do any of them look like the posts of a RMT etc. feel free to continue flaming or using my name but i am asking you first remove my name from the slander or i will get a GM to remove it (and yes i will ask them to audit my account and see if a single isk has been bought or sold in the 4yrs i have played the game)


Your logic is great on game theory, which proves that you will always be in the black, and I'm fine with your quantity you have made as that could have been done by hand over time, its soley the amount of time that is invested per day seemingly everyday that looks like a bot.

As to the rmt once again this is proven though quantity. I figure you aren't doing that, at least with this account as you have been around and public. I will say I'm sorry if I came off saying you were rmt. I did use you as a general example. If your not doing that my bad

To answer your question as to why someone would take the items, ccp would see the isk line disappear as somer bought the navy mega and give it to you, which you then sell. It would take longer but gives you another level of masking on your isk.

As to your high popularity your right, that does make it hard to bot in game or rmt. I've not accused you of botting in game, just that you very much could be on blink and there is no way for ccp to tell so I can't go to them and say you are a bot and check because they can't. They don't own blink. And while botting on there is not a form of abusing the isk faucet it can and is money laundering.

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2010.12.06 20:22:00 - [93]
 

LMFAO I just went on yet another site which has 3407 active eve bot members <sigh> and it looks like people have created usernames based on eve players, haha almost every famous eve player is on there, ofc its all bull**** since I doubt all the leaders want to risk but it is pretty funny

Quazal Atreides
Gallente
Low Orbit Industries
Posted - 2010.12.06 20:22:00 - [94]
 

fair enough, im happy to open discussion on this :)

It was the use of my name that i took offense too.

Now the time in game, I can sit in game plug a load of single blink blinks in go and do a bit of reading (ftr my dissetation is on south indian cave art {im an archaeologist}) then come back 10/20 mins later etc.
During busy times i can click refresh and play away.

Yes if you look at my history of blink alone i can understand how you came to your conclusions but its no different than my roulette analogy just on a far far quicker turn around.

But one part of your logic fails... Botting effects the game for miners/Ratters & plexers which has effect on the market etc.
However RMT, if you were going to RMT using sites such as EOH & Blink would not pay, why not just buy 'n' sell trit in jita given on most days the difference between buy and sell is about 0.02isk difference (i spent 18motnhs in the mineral market ) on average lets assume a 0.015isk difference then that is just a 2% loss on buying from market and selling straight back to the buy orders if i use EOH *(and yes i play poker as well) then the rake is 5/10% and blink work on 15% (i dont know the exact rakes both sites take) but as you can see..

1>2% loss by trading Trit or 10>20% loss by using other people websites/games... if your dealing in 10s of billions of isk, which one do you think the RMTers would do??

If its their real money business im sure they know that for every billion isk they launder they would lose upto 180mill isk by using Somer or Selene's site do you still think they would do it when they can just use the jita market that trades abotu 100/200billion isk a day on trit alone?

think about that for logic

Klonc Zind
Posted - 2010.12.06 21:08:00 - [95]
 

Cataclysm is comming to night, right?Very Happy

So this is not the best time for CCP to have this as a front page news.

I've read more about Bots and RMT last few days then the new expansion .Embarassed

This just make me rethink my life...Shocked

So please CCP tell me at least you are gonna look into this

Cyrus Doul
E0 Corp
Posted - 2010.12.06 21:25:00 - [96]
 

Edited by: Cyrus Doul on 06/12/2010 21:28:17
My logic on how accounts like yours seem very strongly RMT'y due to botting is that based on the mineral market all those transactions go on in game. since CCP controls the game it is really easy to say I think this guy is a bot and set up a monitor for it and watch the speed that it makes the .01 changes and how much it does (in the sense of 1 hour, 2 hours, 12 hours, 23 hours per day) you get a situation where its 23 hours per day every day and even if it was not a bot it would be account sharing which IIRC is also lifetime bannable so either way they got rid of an account that was EULA violating one way or another. (Granted if the persecuted every account share in the game i bet my titan list would shrink quite a bit.)

I would also argue that those percentages for Blink are too high. You yourself have said that you have pumped in 118.5 billion isk and have won 161.9 billion in prizes with 31.25 billion redeemed for credit

161.9 prizes - 31.25 free reinvestment =130.65 legit isk / hardware winnings
130.65 - 118.5 Initial investment = 12.15 either in your account or in pure profit

So with the numbers you have provided you have put in 118.5 billion, and have paid to you 130.65 Billion. if you have less then 12.15 billion in your Blink account currently you are running over 100% ROI.

If you want proof of this look at Gonzattack. I can't do the math like I could with you but because of achievements its possible to tell that he has invested between 40 and 55 billion ISK into the system as i don't think taking blink credit counts towards those achievements as my own account has paid in 900 million and has 203,427,000 in winnings transformed into credits and I do not have the 1 billion isk achievement. This means that he has to have over 100 percent ROI unless he has recycled 141.37 billion back into as blink credit assuming he is sitting at 54.9 billion deposited or has just a massive amount sitting in his account that he doesn't use yet can't withdraw so its pretty much lost isk.

And after talking to you I'll assume that you aren't a bot either now that you see where I'm coming from with why I said you are. I'm not going to redact the document as at this point we are already known for this discussion and changing it will just throw out most of the validity of this discussion, but I will publicly say I'm sorry. As you are the exception that proves the rule as they say I managed to pick one of the few that play as intense as you and yet are not actually a bot. That was my bad and until now I genuinely did think you were just someone trying to throw people off your scent.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.06 21:38:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: randomthreadnaught
You mix two types of truth in your logic. There is the type of truth that exists as a defining characteristic of something physical. My milk is cold. My apple is red. There also the type of truth that exists outside of physical characteristic like my mother was good to me. I really do think my mother was good to me, but this truth is far more complex than any physical characteristic of my mother.

You can't jump between the two truths in your argument as if they are the same thing. Liberalism is a philosophy that isn't even defined by a single definition. As elgaberino pointed out, Liberism in most of the world and in the past is a philosophy based on rule by the common man free of the aristocratic authority in feudalism. Only in America and Canada to my knowledge has this label been applied to what you seem to mean by liberalsim. If you go to Germany and describe your conservative views, they will declare that you are a neo-liberal.

To state that there is no truth in liberalism, because it is based on a relative truth invalidates conservative thought as well. There is no one approach to conservative policies. There is no one answer that will make everything run perfect in all scenarios. If this was the case, then I think every conservative president would have led to the election of another conservative president.

In reality, liberalism is based on the foundation of the original liberalism rather than relativism. It is America's approach to freedom for the masses 100 years after we kicked out England. It was an attempt to overthrow the control of the powerful corporate leaders that in their view harm the masses. Conservatives in America base their philosophy on the same base with the theory that the government is the powerful elite causing harm to us.

It is not about different truths. It is about different approaches to the same goal with different priorities. There can be no absolute truth here, because you aren't dealing with a simple subject with a simple right and wrong answer.



/thread

Quazal Atreides
Gallente
Low Orbit Industries
Posted - 2010.12.06 22:09:00 - [98]
 

aye this is one problem with blink stats page, the figures we all see are not 'real values'

They include the mark up that somer makes.. and i think the numbers are 5.8 > 6.2 tickets cover ships cost.. so lets work on 6tickets then 2 tickets are profit (so 25% )

the nubmers you see on people profiles include this 25% the true value of the ships are actually 75% of this..

So my winnings of 160bill is actually 75% of this so 120bill.. then as you said abot free money that has been transferred .. means from my 120bill deposited is actually 90bill (30bill transferred) and given that of my winnings 120bill, 30bill of this has not been withdrawn thats 90bill

so basically all that isk means i have made little to no profit

I am attempting to use emma to see real results.. but early esitmates suggest a profit or loss of about 5bill... it could go either way.



TLDR

the winnings are not market value, its market value + somer mark up.. (somewhere between 15>25% per normal blink/ship) so this always needs to be reduced from the somer stats page :)

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.12.06 22:19:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Quazal Atreides
aye this is one problem with blink stats page, the figures we all see are not 'real values'

They include the mark up that somer makes.. and i think the numbers are 5.8 > 6.2 tickets cover ships cost.. so lets work on 6tickets then 2 tickets are profit (so 25% )

the nubmers you see on people profiles include this 25% the true value of the ships are actually 75% of this..

So my winnings of 160bill is actually 75% of this so 120bill.. then as you said abot free money that has been transferred .. means from my 120bill deposited is actually 90bill (30bill transferred) and given that of my winnings 120bill, 30bill of this has not been withdrawn thats 90bill

so basically all that isk means i have made little to no profit

I am attempting to use emma to see real results.. but early esitmates suggest a profit or loss of about 5bill... it could go either way.



TLDR

the winnings are not market value, its market value + somer mark up.. (somewhere between 15>25% per normal blink/ship) so this always needs to be reduced from the somer stats page :)



Not to mention that the 'winnings' include prizes converted back into blink credit, which is then used to win more blink credit etc. I only deposited 100m into blink, and got about 180m out of it. But my stats show that I have 'won' over 2 billion. despite the fact that I only ever kept transferring my prizes back into blink credit.

Erythorbic Benzoate
Posted - 2010.12.06 23:47:00 - [100]
 

1. I didn't read your post because your subject was in caps.
2. Fed.
3. Do yourself a favor, make a large scale MMO. Remember to make it so there are no errors or bugs so you don't upset anybody. Then when everyone fills the servers, make sure they don't lag. Next, you'll want to ensure that you personally know every single person that logs in so that you can police the RMT'ers and bots. Okay?

Once you do that successfully, your complaint will be valid. Until then, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Cyrus Doul
E0 Corp
Posted - 2010.12.07 00:28:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: Cyrus Doul on 07/12/2010 00:33:24
Originally by: Quazal Atreides
aye this is one problem with blink stats page, the figures we all see are not 'real values'

They include the mark up that somer makes.. and i think the numbers are 5.8 > 6.2 tickets cover ships cost.. so lets work on 6tickets then 2 tickets are profit (so 25% )

the nubmers you see on people profiles include this 25% the true value of the ships are actually 75% of this..

So my winnings of 160bill is actually 75% of this so 120bill.. then as you said abot free money that has been transferred .. means from my 120bill deposited is actually 90bill (30bill transferred) and given that of my winnings 120bill, 30bill of this has not been withdrawn thats 90bill

so basically all that isk means i have made little to no profit

I am attempting to use emma to see real results.. but early esitmates suggest a profit or loss of about 5bill... it could go either way.



TLDR

the winnings are not market value, its market value + somer mark up.. (somewhere between 15>25% per normal blink/ship) so this always needs to be reduced from the somer stats page :)



If that were the case on every item I guess you would be right. But the fact is is that some of the items are at market cost like that plex that you currently have slot nine on. if you cash that out by buying say 300 million in tickets you you know you are most likely going to win she will pay you 370 million to not have to buy the item but just give you the isk. Other things like that obelisk sure, you are going to take a loss on because I am assuming that it is displaying mineral basket prices to make the thing which is why its about 100 mil under cost. If you play the proper stuff though you will hit.

As to if that is the amount you make if you win. I'm pretty sure that value could be off. I know for a fact though that the thing saying I have deposited 900 million in is correct. My character has the corroborating wallet to prove that the isk converted is a 1:1 match. and the blink credit is 1:1

I have six ships that are in processing for turning back into isk in my account. When that is done I can do the math to see what the offset if any is. Or if you win another thing just check what your value of winning is now vs when that one item gets added. See if it goes up by the buyout value or some other integer

markup on a 18.9 million byout wolf when added to the winners prize kitty was 10 million isk. So your right on that. Only way to be able to tell is find all your pay ins, and all your pay out values including ship hulls.

Trupo Baptista
Posted - 2010.12.07 00:42:00 - [102]
 

Its no good remove LocalSad

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2010.12.07 02:31:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Trupo Baptista
Its no good remove LocalSad



Keep local, keep local count... remove local list. Wink

00 RatingBot987657
Posted - 2010.12.07 02:32:00 - [104]
 

sage Crying or Very sad

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.12.07 02:42:00 - [105]
 

Oh, it's time now, is it?

Could have sworn the noise never ceased.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2010.12.07 03:39:00 - [106]
 

Whats's blink? guess i'll search after I get my daughter from basketball practice

oldmanst4r
Minmatar
oldmanst4r's Corporation
Posted - 2010.12.07 04:22:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
Whats's blink? guess i'll search after I get my daughter from basketball practice



Hey, your almost as old as I am! Have you had your first prostate exam yet? They are terrible, trust me.

Stig Sterling
Posted - 2010.12.07 05:05:00 - [108]
 

I think we should all gather our resources, and pay Istvaan to take down the botters from the inside. He could do it!

.

Umega
Solis Mensa
Posted - 2010.12.07 08:21:00 - [109]
 

If you really want CCP to address the bot use.. do so in a manner that doesn't hurt their wallet, and they might add some haste to the matter since I'm sure they are aware the vast majority of legit players of the game don't like it, at all.

Get CSM to bust their balls about it, bust their balls in petitions, slap the issue across their face. If it makes headlines, just like '18 months'.. they will respond.

So how can they do it without hurting their wallet, why not make it more enjoyable for the players as well too..

1) Players file petitions. CCP investigate.. if confirmed.. Post the character on this site in a list of confirmed Bot-users. Lets make it known who is using bots, what players, what corps, what alliances take part and to what degree.

2) 3-month Kill Rights granted on that player.. for everyone. And it never disappears til the 3 month penality is up. If they continue to bot after that.. Kill rights for all again.

3) Break their ability to cloak and use unprobe-able mods. They want to break the game and rules and cheat.. break them.

4) Design a simple program that takes note when a player is adjusting buy/sell orders 23/7. Ban him not from the game, but from the station first offense.. spit him out of the station in pod/ship whatever he is in, red n flashy for all to shot. Does it again, ban the player from even entering a region. does it again in another region.. banned entering that region.

Remember.. CCP owns your character and assets. They can do whatever they want with them. With these methods.. it gives players the chance to take action in entertaining ways, while CCP gets to keep making money off their subs. How many bot users will simply hide til it blows over, keeping their character active so they can work up skills? Quite a few, I'm sure.

And to the people purchasing Isk on RMT sites.. you people are failures. Complete Failures. I get people purchase PLEX for sale in game to get iskies for PvP pewpew. That's legit. Trying to save a buck cause your rl broke ass can't afford the legit manner, and you suck ass in game to make enough isk on your own that you have to go the RMT route.. ****ing Failures and probably dumber than **** eating monkeys. You people are the reason they exist.

Anyone that argues against some sort of action taken against bots is a bot user themselves. Gank'em.. repeatedly. Til their voice disappears from the forums forever from them quiting.

PhoenixDawn
Gallente
Forge Regional Security
United Corporations Of Modern Eve
Posted - 2010.12.07 10:21:00 - [110]
 

Just do cloaks like they did with warp stabs... make it pretty much pointless to put a cloak on a ship intended to shoot something (other than ships specifically designed for cloaks, which *always* have crappy combat ability).

Change the velocity penalty to a targeting resolution penalty. So if a non-covert designed ship fits a cloak it's strictly for one purpose: cloaking. The ship can't engage in any activity which requires it to target anything in a timely manner.

So, botting ratters will be forced to remove their cloaks. If they want to use modules that reduce their sig against scanning they'll have no tanks, rendering them far too vulnerable to be efficient at ratting.

This one change would not impact AFK cloaking and the like, but in one fell swoop essentially removes the macro bot safety net.

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2010.12.07 10:31:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: PhoenixDawn
Just do cloaks like they did with warp stabs... make it pretty much pointless to put a cloak on a ship intended to shoot something (other than ships specifically designed for cloaks, which *always* have crappy combat ability).

Change the velocity penalty to a targeting resolution penalty. So if a non-covert designed ship fits a cloak it's strictly for one purpose: cloaking. The ship can't engage in any activity which requires it to target anything in a timely manner.

So, botting ratters will be forced to remove their cloaks. If they want to use modules that reduce their sig against scanning they'll have no tanks, rendering them far too vulnerable to be efficient at ratting.

This one change would not impact AFK cloaking and the like, but in one fell swoop essentially removes the macro bot safety net.


Sound good I guess or just limit cloaks to cloaky ships only :D


But again theres more than one type of bot, not just ratters I would hate to see macro miners free from the hate.

Also I went on another site which is the one that 'reads' the memory, while it requires a person with brains to actually use it, it supposedly is the king of all bots.

I wouldnt suggest anyone go drooling spam downloading it, you would need to know how to script which is probably why the script is so popular with 0.0 mega alliances.

Mme Pinkerton
The pink win
Posted - 2010.12.07 10:36:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Umega
If you really want CCP to address the bot use.. do so in a manner that doesn't hurt their wallet, and they might add some haste to the matter since I'm sure they are aware the vast majority of legit players of the game don't like it, at all.

currently the preferred approach is "Threaten to create enough drama to get the topic picked up by TTH, MMORPG.com, ... - hopefully the bad publicity and loss of potential subscribers would cost CCP more than banning the bots."

Nevermind that banning the bots would probably send the in-game economy into spasmic seizures.

Pesadel0
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2010.12.07 10:59:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
Originally by: Umega
If you really want CCP to address the bot use.. do so in a manner that doesn't hurt their wallet, and they might add some haste to the matter since I'm sure they are aware the vast majority of legit players of the game don't like it, at all.

currently the preferred approach is "Threaten to create enough drama to get the topic picked up by TTH, MMORPG.com, ... - hopefully the bad publicity and loss of potential subscribers would cost CCP more than banning the bots."

Nevermind that banning the bots would probably send the in-game economy into spasmic seizures.


Got the same opinion regarding CCP fastness to act upon this issue, about the economic afertmatch of the bot destruction ,well the economy would eventually recover and prosper even more, because they (legit players) would be competing with real players and not players that work 23/7.

Muul Udonii
Minmatar
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.12.07 11:22:00 - [114]
 

I don't actually have a problem with bots. If people want to use them and keep prices for my stuff lower; that's great.

I don't even have a problem with RMT, but CCP should have a huge problem, and should be trying to prevent it.

There's been a few good ideas in this thread; namely changing the way cloaks work to make it less effective to use them; or lowering the price of PLEX to make it less profitable. But the users will complain about either of these were they to implement them.

I guess they just have to look at the economics of each (and others) and decide if there is actually anything worth doing at all.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.07 11:28:00 - [115]
 

Edited by: Othran on 07/12/2010 11:28:22
Basically the client needs to be secured. That's the bottom line.

We need to stop calling the bots "macros" because they're not. They are really replacing the client or modifying the data prior to the client sending or receiving it.

As things stand, the client can be compromised or replaced by someone wishing to cheat. Its also subject to "man in the middle" compromises where the client is 100% genuine. Anyone with half a brain has worked this out by now but CCP continue to be unable to detect these attacks.

I used to laugh at my wife's game as it took so long to load or patch*. The jokes on me now though Sad

*the only way to modify her client is by using encrypted patch files, each one of which is verified both on download AND when implementing the patch - every single file in the patch archive; client integrity is thoroughly checked every time it loads and there are "measures to prevent man in the middle exploits". Downside of patch process is that even when the patch is downloaded, the patch process can still take hours to decrypt/verify/re-encrypt the patch files.

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.07 11:54:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Muul Udonii


There's been a few good ideas in this thread; namely changing the way cloaks work to make it less effective to use them; or lowering the price of PLEX to make it less profitable. But the users will complain about either of these were they to implement them.

I guess they just have to look at the economics of each (and others) and decide if there is actually anything worth doing at all.



Adjusting the Economy (which is player driven) isn't going to be effective, or well-recieved at all, as well as insanely difficult to implement without causing a major **** storm.

I honestly don't think we should be calling for no local, anti-cloaks, etc. I think we should be calling for CCP to increase their counter-measures against bots. Why drastically change game mechanics to screw with some botters who will simply CTRL-Q instead of afk cloaking when hostiles are in local, or instead of reading local they'll just spam the scanner and CTRL-Q when they see something new appear on the scanner.

riverini
Gallente
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.12.07 13:50:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: riverini on 07/12/2010 13:50:24
Originally by: Muul Udonii
I don't actually have a problem with bots. If people want to use them and keep prices for my stuff lower; that's great.

I don't even have a problem with RMT, but CCP should have a huge problem, and should be trying to prevent it.

There's been a few good ideas in this thread; namely changing the way cloaks work to make it less effective to use them; or lowering the price of PLEX to make it less profitable. But the users will complain about either of these were they to implement them.

I guess they just have to look at the economics of each (and others) and decide if there is actually anything worth doing at all.



Making the PLEX less profitable would then encourage a heavier black-market usage, since lower PLEX price = isk get less cheaper per USD, what CCP needs is a way to fractionate the PLEX and compete with RMT's in a way they totally gets them out of the market and ofc, being proactively combating botters since they are the primary source of RMT isk.

RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Black Viper Nomads
Posted - 2010.12.07 14:42:00 - [118]
 

Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 07/12/2010 14:46:01
Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 07/12/2010 14:45:42
Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 07/12/2010 14:42:52




Rumors are flying...
EvE is dying...
Players are crying...

CCP are lying too...

Manfred is shilling...
Horus is spilling...
The whole universe's gone to hell...

But how are you?

I'm super
Thanks for asking
All things considered
I couldn't be better I must say!

I'm feeling super
Nothing bugs me
Everything is super when your not subbed


Bye bye Cool

**edit**vote with your wallet....I did.

**edit**changed a line cause <3 PL Laughing

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2010.12.07 14:50:00 - [119]
 

Edited by: Kalle Demos on 07/12/2010 14:53:46
So I was a bit funny about the 40 mil an hour comment and decided to check on sisi yesterday and today to confirm this for the sake of things.

Ok so I dont really know about the sov upgrades in a system and well I just assumed MI meant something ratting related (higher meaning more rats or some ****), sadly only EC- (lol nc) was (and probably still is considering what was going on) the only MI 5 system and well I dont mean to point fingers at any alliance but I would assume based on what I saw Rolling Eyes this is the queen system for a special kind of testing.

Anyway -0.45 (Syndicate) with a bc brought in without looting 22 mil an hour lol
EC-, well I got flamed at and got told to gtfo out of the system gfgf, I was interrupting their 'private' testing.
I went to a MI 3 in catch today (GE- -0.21), made about 29 mil but it wasnt a great system, not enough belts imo, ran out of ammo half way and well someone signed the corp up to militia recently on sisi out of all things and I was so ****ed at dying while autopiloting the way down I decided to just end things there

So yeh I would say a person could make approx 40mil easily without a macro and that EC- is completely different on sisi to what it is like on tranq, if you know what I mean Wink

Oh and all testing was done manually, no botting and if you do happen to see my failfit losses to station guns they were only done for the sake of making ISK through insurance since well yeh everything is at full price (smartbombing noctis = 20mil x 10 = 200mil)

How is this relevant to this thread, I dont really know tbh but thanks for reading.

Muul Udonii
Minmatar
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.12.07 15:28:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: riverini
Edited by: riverini on 07/12/2010 13:50:24Making the PLEX less profitable would then encourage a heavier black-market usage, since lower PLEX price = isk get less cheaper per USD, what CCP needs is a way to fractionate the PLEX and compete with RMT's in a way they totally gets them out of the market and ofc, being proactively combating botters since they are the primary source of RMT isk.


I think you got the wrong idea; I'm saying the idea to reduce the cost of PLEX is a good idea.

That will mean that the /ISK rate is lowered; and RMT is less profitable for people.

It would also have a secondary effect of increasing the sales; as people would buy more and prices would be more competitive.


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