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Richard Aiel
Caldari
Umbra Exitium
Order Of The Unforgiving
Posted - 2011.02.20 09:05:00 - [991]
 

Nope, cant allow CCP to win and let this thread die

Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.02.20 10:33:00 - [992]
 

Got a friend who bots.

He laughs, cause on the botter forums it's an ongoing joke that not a single one of them has ever gotten cracked down on.

Von Hinten
Posted - 2011.02.20 10:38:00 - [993]
 

Originally by: Kuronaga
Got a friend who bots.

He laughs, cause on the botter forums it's an ongoing joke that not a single one of them has ever gotten cracked down on.


And when he get cracked down he only recieves a lol 3 day ban:

Quote:

Banned Sad

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but one of my accounts got a 3 day ban today after dt, The reason stated was eula violation - using a macro.

Now it may be that someone reported this account, I dont know, what interests me about this is that i have 4 other accounts operating in the same system, but they are in a corp and this one wasnt.

The other accounts have no bans, but to be safe im moving Smile.

I'll take one for the team, and have this one operating after the ban to see what happens, but in another system ofcourse.

Lets see if they track these accounts afterwards.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.02.20 10:46:00 - [994]
 

Edited by: Othran on 20/02/2011 10:48:57
Originally by: Von Hinten
Originally by: Kuronaga
Got a friend who bots.

He laughs, cause on the botter forums it's an ongoing joke that not a single one of them has ever gotten cracked down on.


And when he get cracked down he only recieves a lol 3 day ban:



That sounds like a second ban to me. 1 day = first offence; 3 day = second offence; 7 day = third offence from what I've been told. I have no reason to doubt the person who told me this as he's been botting (and probably RMT'ing) for years and freely admits it.

Edit - the only way to get CCP interested in fixing this is hit them where it hurts - their corporate revenue stream. All my accounts are suspended now - same reason, "CCP condones cheating". I'm sure they don't give a sh*t anyway but I'm not paying real money for a game where the game company actively condones and benefits financially from cheating.

Ocih
Amarr
Space Mermaids
Posted - 2011.02.20 11:35:00 - [995]
 

While it would be nice to get rid of the bots, from market to mining, it isn't that easy. I don't have the answer. Every one I come up with has a point of contention that makes it more damaging than good.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.02.20 11:45:00 - [996]
 

Originally by: Ocih
While it would be nice to get rid of the bots, from market to mining, it isn't that easy. I don't have the answer. Every one I come up with has a point of contention that makes it more damaging than good.


Well in that case CCP shouldn't have condoned cheating to the point at which their game cannot survive without it. Their problem as its entirely their fault the problem is so large Neutral

I encourage everyone to go google and find out which particular alliance is now ADVERTISING rental for bots in their renter systems priced at 40mill per account per month. It'll come as no surprise to anyone who hasn't had their head up their ar*e for years (hello CCP!).

I suspect the game is beyond redemption unless you're happy with CCPs attitude. I'm not hence the account suspensions Neutral

Caldari Citizen20090217
Posted - 2011.02.20 17:22:00 - [997]
 

Originally by: Othran
Well in that case CCP shouldn't have condoned cheating to the point at which their game cannot survive without it. Their problem as its entirely their fault the problem is so large Neutral

I encourage everyone to go google and find out which particular alliance is now ADVERTISING rental for bots in their renter systems priced at 40mill per account per month. It'll come as no surprise to anyone who hasn't had their head up their ar*e for years (hello CCP!).

I suspect the game is beyond redemption unless you're happy with CCPs attitude. I'm not hence the account suspensions Neutral

Yeah it is something when they are that blatant about it.
CCP with Eve's vision of non-consensual pvp are in a unique position to do something about it tho, the playerbase would gladly shoot them if they could. High profile bans or at least some sign of consequences for botting would go a long way. Trouble is atm they would have to pretty much ban all of 0.0 to clear the botters and their mains.

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.02.20 17:37:00 - [998]
 

"FED" FFS you queefing quafers.

Ger Tomard
Caldari
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
Posted - 2011.02.20 17:56:00 - [999]
 

CCP would fix this if even a shred of proof could be given to GM.

Instead, its QQ and slander against potentially innocent players.

Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
Posted - 2011.02.20 18:22:00 - [1000]
 

Edited by: Pan Crastus on 20/02/2011 18:26:41
By the way, the author(?) of that greek botting software claims that it's "100% legal as long as it is used within the restrictions of EVE's EULA" ... Interesting claim. ;-)

Some hilarious posts there also:
Quote:
Anyone else heared that Accounts have been banned. in our alliance are some bots banned.


Quote:
Looking for **(botting software)** friendly corp[...]Preferably at Angel regions


(so much for Alliances with no botting policy ...)

Quote:

Botting Corp Available

Will have available 7 systems of angel 0.0 with good true sec. 3 of the systems upgraded with Military 5 upgrades. We rent from people who know we bot so no requirements needs of you.

Deadend systems with bubbles on gate available for safe ratting.

[...]
There are many corporations you can join to rat in, if you do own
****. Look for the post by *** at: ***



If anyone has any doubts that botting is widespread in EVE, these forums will fix them ...



Caldari Citizen20090217
Posted - 2011.02.20 18:24:00 - [1001]
 

Originally by: Ger Tomard
CCP would fix this if even a shred of proof could be given to GM.

Instead, its QQ and slander against potentially innocent players.

You have been told once.

Originally by: Caldari Citizen20090217
Originally by: Ger Tomard
Still no actual proof of RMT in this thread.

Botting sure, show me RMT proof.

Except in the thread. Try reading the thread then posting....

Then check out Inappropriate text removed as per the forum rules. StevieSG. site, theres another expose there, specifically on page 3 by a guy named rmfhorus iirc. Post 117 at the bottom is the juicy info.

Then google "h-bot". The client reading bots developed after the source code leak are much better. Read their forums.

Then read the Eve24.com articles ffs(of which there are many - and remember this is CCP endorsed)

Or spend 5 seconds googling to buy or sell isk. Yup joe average player can sell your hard earned isk for real cash (and risk a ban - don't do it ppl) on easily accessable exchange sites.

Finally this quote may be relevent to your situation: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"

Ger Tomard
Caldari
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
Posted - 2011.02.20 18:42:00 - [1002]
 

I read it and I stick to my opinion that it all reads like slander and tears. Seriously CCP would've banned if the had a reliable evidence pool.

Caldari Citizen20090217
Posted - 2011.02.20 19:51:00 - [1003]
 

Originally by: Ger Tomard
I read it and I stick to my opinion that it all reads like slander and tears. Seriously CCP would've banned if the had a reliable evidence pool.

Thats just it, CCP have banned, but for only a few days, and only a few accounts. Browse the botters own forums and read their "slander and tears". Only you won't find many tears.

So do you believe there are bots, but can't be reliably identified thus banned, or that there are no/few bots and its all rumour mongering?

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2011.02.20 20:09:00 - [1004]
 

Originally by: Caldari Citizen20090217


Botting sure, show me RMT proof.

Except in the thread. Try reading the thread then posting....

Then check out Inappropriate text removed as per the forum rules. StevieSG. site, theres another expose there, specifically on page 3 by a guy named rmfhorus iirc. Post 117 at the bottom is the juicy info.

Then google "h-bot". The client reading bots developed after the source code leak are much better. Read their forums.

Then read the Eve24.com articles ffs(of which there are many - and remember this is CCP endorsed)

Or spend 5 seconds googling to buy or sell isk. Yup joe average player can sell your hard earned isk for real cash (and risk a ban - don't do it ppl) on easily accessable exchange sites.

Finally this quote may be relevent to your situation: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"



Now i am sure someone is getting a cut Twisted Evil.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.02.20 20:41:00 - [1005]
 

Originally by: Othran
Edited by: Othran on 20/02/2011 10:48:57
Originally by: Von Hinten
Originally by: Kuronaga
Got a friend who bots.

He laughs, cause on the botter forums it's an ongoing joke that not a single one of them has ever gotten cracked down on.


And when he get cracked down he only recieves a lol 3 day ban:



That sounds like a second ban to me. 1 day = first offence; 3 day = second offence; 7 day = third offence from what I've been told. I have no reason to doubt the person who told me this as he's been botting (and probably RMT'ing) for years and freely admits it.

Edit - the only way to get CCP interested in fixing this is hit them where it hurts - their corporate revenue stream. All my accounts are suspended now - same reason, "CCP condones cheating". I'm sure they don't give a sh*t anyway but I'm not paying real money for a game where the game company actively condones and benefits financially from cheating.


You leave, your three accounts are replaced by 6 bots, buys more plex, CCP doesnt care

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.02.20 20:44:00 - [1006]
 

Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 20/02/2011 20:46:07
Originally by: Ger Tomard
I read it and I stick to my opinion that it all reads like slander and tears. Seriously CCP would've banned if the had a reliable evidence pool.

Ger Tomard:
If they found one of their own devs cheating in the game you think theyd fire him? If say he gave illegally created items that arent able to be attained in game? And do you think theyd ban the people that accepted those items knowing that the guy they were getting from them made them illegally?

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.02.21 00:38:00 - [1007]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 20/02/2011 20:46:07
Originally by: Ger Tomard
I read it and I stick to my opinion that it all reads like slander and tears. Seriously CCP would've banned if the had a reliable evidence pool.

Ger Tomard:
If they found one of their own devs cheating in the game you think theyd fire him? If say he gave illegally created items that arent able to be attained in game? And do you think theyd ban the people that accepted those items knowing that the guy they were getting from them made them illegally?


Hey Ger, you havent answered my question...

Perramas
Caldari
Pan Caldarian Ventures
Posted - 2011.02.21 02:12:00 - [1008]
 

Originally by: Ocih
While it would be nice to get rid of the bots, from market to mining, it isn't that easy. I don't have the answer. Every one I come up with has a point of contention that makes it more damaging than good.


CCP doesnt not have to make EVE bot proof to get rid of botting. CCP only has to make the player base truly fear getting caught botting and the botting problem will go away. Enough with the temporary bans, they are not a deterrent. Permanently delete all characters on any account caught botting for any reason the first time and the botting problem will go away.

Miss President
Caldari
SOLARIS ASTERIUS
Posted - 2011.02.21 02:21:00 - [1009]
 

Originally by: Perramas

CCP doesnt not have to make EVE bot proof to get rid of botting. CCP only has to make the player base truly fear getting caught botting and the botting problem will go away. Enough with the temporary bans, they are not a deterrent. Permanently delete all characters on any account caught botting for any reason the first time and the botting problem will go away.


Would be nice, but CCP needs all the money they can get for their exit strategy from EVE. It seems they have decided Eve will fall in a year or two, based on their weak punishment of bots and inaction, they also timed the release of Incarna blog when most players are unable to compete with bots and thinking about quitting, as a bone thrown to the players to keep playing. Its a really bad situation for honest players, there are no alternatives to EVE so CCP is taking advantage of this to still collect revenue.

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.02.21 03:09:00 - [1010]
 

Originally by: Miss President
Originally by: Perramas

CCP doesnt not have to make EVE bot proof to get rid of botting. CCP only has to make the player base truly fear getting caught botting and the botting problem will go away. Enough with the temporary bans, they are not a deterrent. Permanently delete all characters on any account caught botting for any reason the first time and the botting problem will go away.


Would be nice, but CCP needs all the money they can get for their exit strategy from EVE. It seems they have decided Eve will fall in a year or two, based on their weak punishment of bots and inaction, they also timed the release of Incarna blog when most players are unable to compete with bots and thinking about quitting, as a bone thrown to the players to keep playing. Its a really bad situation for honest players, there are no alternatives to EVE so CCP is taking advantage of this to still collect revenue.


Theyve also timed it well with World of Twilight
also two minute wait is fail

D3F4ULT
Gallente
Pegasus Mining Korp
Posted - 2011.02.21 03:12:00 - [1011]
 

Edited by: D3F4ULT on 21/02/2011 04:52:24
Edited by: D3F4ULT on 21/02/2011 03:26:04
Edited by: D3F4ULT on 21/02/2011 03:23:21
Bumping for great Justice :)

I to want a bot free Economy. I understand such a thing is nearly impossible to obtain, what could stop botting? A Capche, say if you get "Report Botter, gold seller, etc" It will send a Capche to that player, they have to enter a 6 digit/letter code to continue playing, now you have 2 Chances to enter the correct code so you don't randomly type the incorrect letter, and lets say you have to do a certain regular botting activity that botters normally do in the past 15 minutes. Meaning, have you entered an asteroid field more than 2 times in the past 15 minutes or what ever the regular time it is. I don't know, just an idea that can be worked upon.

Sometimes, an annoying security question every now and then, can help more than it hurts. It won't hurt your gameplay for the fact that it helps the economy.

If you fail to enter the correct code you get a temp 15 minute ban and you have to relog in via Capche to continue. and If you get reported once more after the first time and you fail to enter, you get a day ban and put under investigation.

You can only ping an account every 30 minutes that way players don't get bombarded with CAPCHE requests.


Even better
----------
If you fail the Capche twice you can be marked as killable. lol buddy in corp came up with that.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.02.21 06:47:00 - [1012]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 20/02/2011 20:46:07
Originally by: Ger Tomard
I read it and I stick to my opinion that it all reads like slander and tears. Seriously CCP would've banned if the had a reliable evidence pool.

Ger Tomard:
If they found one of their own devs cheating in the game you think theyd fire him? If say he gave illegally created items that arent able to be attained in game? And do you think theyd ban the people that accepted those items knowing that the guy they were getting from them made them illegally?


Hey Ger, you havent answered my question...


Ger Tomard.... are you avoiding the question?

Siona Windweaver
Placeholder Holdings
Posted - 2011.02.21 08:54:00 - [1013]
 

Quote:
about botting if someone can be interested about what alliance rat-bot more. since i have a direct experience on the field fighting those entity for place mine bots.

about venal :

1) goonswarm
2) white noise, (only less in number but % compared to real number where much superior than goons, of course i am talking about period wn was in venal)
3) razor + renters
4) stella polaris
5) morsus mihi
6) rebellion.



about stain :

1) xenobyte
2) aaa
3) burn eden (probably every sigle burn eden have 2-3 rattobot)





about GLOBAL. ALLIANCES (bots-related to alliance numbers)

1) white noise
2) solar (mainly thrue theyr renters with alts or fake corps)
3) xdeathx (they do it mainly thrue theyr renters with alts or fake corps)
4) aaa
5) goonswarm
6) red alliance
7) stain empire
8) it
9) razor
10) atlas previously, now INIT (mainly b side of alliance) , about atlas, basicly all theyr renters. there was even atlas ppl offering system on the h-bot forum for a % of income of the botters


Quote from k forums.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.02.21 09:45:00 - [1014]
 

UH OH the mods are awake from their weekend long nap lol

fieken
Posted - 2011.02.21 09:47:00 - [1015]
 

Ban those botters and punish those corporations, profitting from the taxes collected.

My suggestion is to kill the complete chain of accounts profiting from them:
  • For the botters, permaban their accounts and give them no chance to log in again (to sell their loot, to trade any belongings, to jet any faction loot in a container/hangar, ...), ever. Destroy their containers in space so nobody is ever able to recover anything from those

  • For the alts who profit from these isk printing machines, put an invisible in local channel polaris inspector frigate in system, fitted with a covop cloak and collect the data of the person(s) who are collecting the loot and laundering the isk. Now you get the person behind these bots, sadly there is nothing worse that you can do to this person than a permaban. Don't forget to do the same as above

  • For those corporations, nullify the isk they received in the past by these botters, it is their task to scan their members when letting them apply the corporation. They should have to fase the consequences for allowing them to join corp.
    Don't tell me they don't look at their corp wallet that steadily rises like hell day in and out, and find it normal that the same persons are allways ratting, ... and never respond to any CTA.
    For as long the corporation wallet is in red, deny anyone leaving corp until it the balance is back positive.


Also, make sure any characters involved in these offences are impossible to sell or transfer to another account either or to do any plex trading, posting on forums, ... forever.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.02.21 09:48:00 - [1016]
 

this is actually kinda funny given that the reason they shut down the thread never actually HAPPENS in the thread:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1471390

Insane Nutmunch
Posted - 2011.02.21 09:50:00 - [1017]
 

And of course EVERYTHING on K's forums are true.

There is still only anecdotal evidence on this thread that Botting = RMT for any individual player.

Of course it would be nice for CCP to issue a statement verifying it's position on botting and detailing some of it's efforts (where possible) to eradicate or at least minimise the problem.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2011.02.21 09:51:00 - [1018]
 

Originally by: Insane Nutmunch
...
Of course it would be nice for CCP to issue a statement verifying it's position on botting and detailing some of it's efforts (where possible) to eradicate or at least minimise the problem.

I think they did some months ago. Do you demand weekly statements?

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.02.21 09:55:00 - [1019]
 

Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Insane Nutmunch
...
Of course it would be nice for CCP to issue a statement verifying it's position on botting and detailing some of it's efforts (where possible) to eradicate or at least minimise the problem.

I think they did some months ago. Do you demand weekly statements?


They do... this thread. "we wish to sweep this under the rug"

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.02.21 10:34:00 - [1020]
 

Originally by: Ai Shun


End of their game:

November 2008: 250,000 subscribers
December 2009: 300,000 subscribers (Over 300,000)
January 2011: 340,000 subscribers




Amazing what you can "prove" with statistics Rolling Eyes

Current subscriber numbers are the same as they were in January 2010. They have DECREASED by around 10-15% since Summer 2010 despite the "power of two" promotion and various other "come back and get 60 days for 19.95" offers*.

As an aside if you take a look around at the influx of "power of two characters" from last promotion you'll notice a HELL OF A LOT of courier and ratting bots - low-sec heimatar (for example) is full of courier bots in bestowers, pretty much all of whom date from the last power of two promotion. CCP knows this as one group of 20+ have been petitioned 7 times now. Still there and botting though...

*Source is mmodata.net who get their figures from CCP.


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