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betty drunkenlord
Posted - 2011.02.18 21:13:00 - [961]
 

Originally by: IIIAsharakIII
Personally I feel that folks make way too much of a big deal out of this. It hardly effects you, except for occasionally fluxuating the price of goods IN A GAME.

The worst part about this is your presentation. You used V is for Vendetta to describe RMT.

Ok. . . .

HOW IS RMT EVEN AFFECTING YOUR REAL LIFE?!?!?!?

You don't even know why those RMTs do what they do, what their motivations are. Is their mother sick with cancer from working in some ****ty factory overseas where they didn't think it was worth their time to give her protective gear to shield her from the obviously cancerous materials she was working with? Or maybe its a younger guy, and he's got a little sister, and he's pulling in extra income so she doesn't have to go work in the dupont factory to begin with, or worse, become a prostitute and serve the same ungrateful sobs that spend their time *****ing and moaning about frivilous things like RMT.

RMT has absolutely ZERO effect on your real life, and it has a 100% effect on theirs. I say, the RMT guys should get toegether and have their own V is for Vendetta speech, it would make more sense coming from their mouths than yours.


this surely is a troll [0/10]. Time to repeat it for n+1 time.

1. Plexes prices rose before ccp took action in latest patch (bots increase demand and decrease supply of plexes)
2. rmt renter alliances force out real players from many systems. rmt alliances gain unfair advantage and it leads to stupid situations of overkill when one person from alliance is multiplexing 8 supercaps / titans [-> Krutoj]. it leads to unfair advantage when alliance with relatively small active pvp player base can throw supercaps at everyone without real consequences.
3. when not dealt properly problem only grows to enormous proportions.
4. less is more in eve, due to bots and cheap minerals space is too crowded with top tier ships, supercap kill is not something big like in the past.
5. big point -> every bot while paying for subscription is decreasing directly/indirectly ccp income by many times of plex a month due to fuelling mods/isk/supercap trading for RL. expansion of botting always leads to RMT.
6. many many more bad things that i cba to write.

mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2011.02.18 21:15:00 - [962]
 

bots should be perma-banned, and the cheating policy should be well publicized. RMT can be dealt with by a week-long ban and 0 isking the character, but once someone knowingly downloads and uses a bot they should simply not be welcome in our game ever again.

Yana Cova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.18 21:35:00 - [963]
 

Edited by: Yana Cova on 18/02/2011 21:41:27
To be honest we should make this as public as possible - most folks probably dont even erad the forums but would care ALOT about this topic - so we should spam this thread in local where ever we are - if the player base gets properly motivated we might see some meaningful reaction (as long as it harms no dolphins or orphans ofc)

Therefore I call all readers/posters to promote this issue in local where ever they are to educate the masses - let them work out for themselves if they care or not....

Is there any chance we could get a new thread without the 1st post from Riverini which quite frankly is truly awful...

Richard Aiel
Caldari
Umbra Exitium
Order Of The Unforgiving
Posted - 2011.02.18 21:54:00 - [964]
 

Edited by: Richard Aiel on 18/02/2011 22:05:58
Edited by: Richard Aiel on 18/02/2011 21:58:53
Edited by: Richard Aiel on 18/02/2011 21:57:57
Originally by: Skareon
Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Skareon

They need to make a clear stance either for or against such botting.



They do.
Every time they delete a post about botting in another thread and point to this one as where to talk about it.



So... you're implying that they are "for it"? hehe...Laughing, darn. Confused Crying or Very sad


see Jack and Jefferson's posts lol
They care about ppl talking about it on THE FORUMS more than they care about it in THE GAME

Originally by: IIIAsharakIII
Personally I feel that folks make way too much of a big deal out of this. It hardly effects you, except for occasionally fluxuating the price of goods IN A GAME.



lol you sound JUST like the ppl saying back in the day that T20 didnt affect you unless you were in 0.0

Originally by: Yana Cova

Is there any chance we could get a new thread without the 1st post from Riverini which quite frankly is truly awful...


No, because any thread made now id locked / deleted and pointed to this thread as where to talk about it

Originally by: Yana Cova

2) More and people get upset as they become aware that the playing field is not level


What level playing field has there ever been?
Its a time based levelling system (skill points) with no top number. Its basically like a pyramid scheme and unless you ignore the fact that the field isnt level and youll never catch up to the older players youll quit in frustration lol

Yana Cova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.18 22:34:00 - [965]
 

To respond re: level playing field - I am talking in terms of personal effort/ability/skill rather than automated macros/bots that just play for you , therefore negating any requirement for you to PLAY THE GAME. Thats really where I am coming from N

Now i have no idea what your experience of any other games are like but EVE is very innovative in terms of allowing new players to have a fighting chances against older players, they could choose a small agile ship that a big ship could not track etc, whereas think of WOW or EQ where a LVL 10 could not hope to do anything AT ALL against a lvl 30, 40, 50, 60 etc etc - EVE is very advanced in that respect, so give it it's due.


Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.02.18 22:42:00 - [966]
 

Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 18/02/2011 22:51:03
Yer really trying to say someone with say 20 mil SP is evenly matched vs someone starting today? Cause thats just foolish. If thats the case why to corps say a specific number of SP must be gained (IE must have 18 mil SP) before you can join the corp? If theres no difference between a 18 mil toon and a brand new one
There is no "due" to be given

Yana Cova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.18 22:52:00 - [967]
 

Lets be serious, would you expect someone starting today to be evenly matched with someone who has played for a while - this is not TEKKEN, and even if it was, would you not think someone who has played TEKKEN before would not beat someone who has not? If that mode ask Goons how they use noobies, how they make them useful in fleets in 0.0 on day 1 (Kudos for that) - plus have a think about how in a team a low sp player can be very useful in engagments against higher sp players (again Goons have kudos for that) - any other mmporg based on levelling can offer that? I don't think so to my knowledge...

It sounds like you are after a game where everyone spawns, fights and dies, then spawns again, in which case I direct you to Modern Warfare - oh wait, you play and get skills there.... hrm back to counter strike for you then. Instanced level 1 shot game them reset.

Anyway, back to the point - lets get a level playing field either - either we all bot and kill the game slowly, or no bots allowed and we struggle on as I imagine was intended...

Valator Uel
Caldari
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.02.18 22:56:00 - [968]
 

Just jumping on the wagon to say that I too am angry that some players can make isk AFK while I have to be active to make isk.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.02.18 23:03:00 - [969]
 

Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 18/02/2011 23:09:07
Originally by: Yana Cova


It sounds like you are after a game where everyone spawns, fights and dies, then spawns again, in which case I direct you to Modern Warfare - oh wait, you play and get skills there.... hrm back to counter strike for you then. Instanced level 1 shot game them reset.



Really? please point out the part where I said I wanted this.
Ill wait

Cause if I wanted that Id play STO

Yana Cova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.18 23:05:00 - [970]
 

CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A NEW THREAD WITHOUT A SH*TPOST AS THE START? PLEASE?

(I know this is caps but really - the 1st post is awful and this is a serious subject)

Richard Aiel
Caldari
Umbra Exitium
Order Of The Unforgiving
Posted - 2011.02.18 23:13:00 - [971]
 

Edited by: Richard Aiel on 18/02/2011 23:14:47
Unfortionately, theyre showing us exactly how serious this is to them
By keeping us in this thread

You could try making another thread about it and trying to appeal to the mods

Slate Shoa
Posted - 2011.02.18 23:18:00 - [972]
 

Originally by: Yana Cova
Edited by: Yana Cova on 18/02/2011 21:41:27
To be honest we should make this as public as possible - most folks probably dont even erad the forums but would care ALOT about this topic - so we should spam this thread in local where ever we are - if the player base gets properly motivated we might see some meaningful reaction (as long as it harms no dolphins or orphans ofc)

Therefore I call all readers/posters to promote this issue in local where ever they are to educate the masses - let them work out for themselves if they care or not....

*snip*


I agree. I'll do this next time I'm on.

Also, DELAYED LOCAL will fix the botting issue for a majority of cases....

Nemesis Factor
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.18 23:40:00 - [973]
 

Originally by: Slate Shoa

I agree. I'll do this next time I'm on.

Also, DELAYED LOCAL will fix the botting issue for a majority of cases....


Fraid not. Bots can be configured to run away when they see something on D-scan.

Immivas Parata
Posted - 2011.02.19 01:03:00 - [974]
 

I think the best way to force CCPs hand in this matter is to get a popular gaming site like Gamespot write an article on it.

Richard Christy
Posted - 2011.02.19 01:37:00 - [975]
 

Originally by: IIIAsharakIII
Personally I feel that folks make way too much of a big deal out of this. It hardly effects you, except for occasionally fluxuating the price of goods IN A GAME.

The worst part about this is your presentation. You used V is for Vendetta to describe RMT.

Ok. . . .

HOW IS RMT EVEN AFFECTING YOUR REAL LIFE?!?!?!?
You don't even know why those RMTs do what they do, what their motivations are. Is their mother sick with cancer from working in some ****ty factory overseas where they didn't think it was worth their time to give her protective gear to shield her from the obviously cancerous materials she was working with? Or maybe its a younger guy, and he's got a little sister, and he's pulling in extra income so she doesn't have to go work in the dupont factory to begin with, or worse, become a prostitute and serve the same ungrateful sobs that spend their time *****ing and moaning about frivilous things like RMT.

RMT has absolutely ZERO effect on your real life, and it has a 100% effect on theirs. I say, the RMT guys should get toegether and have their own V is for Vendetta speech, it would make more sense coming from their mouths than yours.


Good point, it doesn't. Therefore we should allow every single exploit that was ever discovered to be used. As none affect our RL, right?

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.02.19 04:11:00 - [976]
 


Richard Aiel
Caldari
Umbra Exitium
Order Of The Unforgiving
Posted - 2011.02.19 04:28:00 - [977]
 

well, Hulkageddon is putting a hurt on bot miners lol 396 kills and climbing

Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
Posted - 2011.02.19 07:54:00 - [978]
 

Seriously, they should just make players aim the mining laser at a picture of rock and minerals and make it hit the richest looking stuff. If it all has the same color range, bots won't be able to find the minerals, but human eyes will find it all too easy with a bit of practice. End result: bot miners sc**** up loads of useless rock with the occasional mineral, and human players get lots of extra minerals to balance out what the bots aren't producing any more. And the overall reduction of minerals mined (especially nocxium-rich and other lowsec ores) will draw non-bot players into lowsec.

Here is an example image to demonstrate this point, as I have found in the past that people usually do not understand how this phenomenon would work:

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff238/Winternyght/Reaver%20Glitterstims%20Album/forhumaneyesonly.jpg

knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.19 09:20:00 - [979]
 

for those that just can't see why its a problem:

alliance A doesn't use bots. they have to get isk honesty.

alliance B uses bots.

alliance B attacks A's sov holdings. alliance B has an endless supply of isk so can absorb any losses and field the most expensive ships and put them in harms way without fear. they can also buy accounts for cap pilots, cyno alts, neutral alts etc.

alliance A, while they might be good pvp'ers will suffer attrition.

alliance B eventually wins because they can out perform alliance A economically because alliance A has to replace ships though in game methods whereas alliance B can buy there way to victory through bot made isk.

alliance A then gets some bots themselves and the whole problem escalates where no one can compete in sov pvp without the use of bots.

since pvp, especially sov pvp is a main economic driver in eve's player driven economy it begins to severely affect all markets in quite a number of ways which are negative to the honest player.

Angel of Night
Posted - 2011.02.19 12:24:00 - [980]
 

Edited by: Angel of Night on 19/02/2011 12:24:19
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Heres another thread: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1470251&page=1



Originally by: CCP Spitfire

If you would like to report EULA violations, please file a petition.

Thread locked.



Well that thread ended fast... And apparently we are no longer allowed to talk about cheating, exploiting, macroing or botting in the forums either.

God help us... or does he have to file a petition also.

Superkiller NinjaPirate
Posted - 2011.02.19 14:26:00 - [981]
 

Edited by: Superkiller NinjaPirate on 19/02/2011 15:04:43
Edited by: Superkiller NinjaPirate on 19/02/2011 14:40:49

Originally by: Angel of Night
Edited by: Angel of Night on 19/02/2011 12:24:19
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Heres another thread: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1470251&page=1



Originally by: CCP Spitfire

If you would like to report EULA violations, please file a petition.

Thread locked.



Well that thread ended fast... And apparently we are no longer allowed to talk about cheating, exploiting, macroing or botting in the forums either.

God help us... or does he have to file a petition also.



CCP damage control is faster than the speed of light.

It is funny that they ask to fill a petition ... when it is clear that all petitions against botters have no consequences.

just look at here: http://www.evenews24.com/2011/02/12/the-rise-of-the-isk-printing-machines-a-case-study-on-bots/
the names of many botters are exposed ... I just added them to my contact list.

Dolce Gabana
Jack Freestylo
Lena Kanto
Mitsu Takanara
Samwise thin
Vinyl Chloride
AdronnMari
Ardalias
DoriGrinn
FelHariel
KaginN
Klem Almer
Lulu Mega
Masha Monstr
Mirgu Krea
Misha Vase4kin
Taran Treg
TrueWeaver
Antuan Calisto
Arab BamBam
Aram Danu
dominion940
FlameStrike1
FlameW1nd1
Kirdik Maru
lies hrum
niiel para
SciMass
Sivlak Sidilak
ThunderGuy

... and many many others ... guess what ? they are still active and online 24/7
At this point it is very clear that CCP is deeply involved in the botting business with the players and their alliances.

I hope this whole thing will soon or later be published on external gaming magazines or gaming websites ... maybe it's the only way CCP will do "something" about it.

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.02.19 16:51:00 - [982]
 

Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 19/02/2011 17:57:50
Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 19/02/2011 17:01:05
Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 19/02/2011 16:56:27
I like how faqst this thread was killed for ranting.... if that was truely against the rules and they locked every thread this fast, the forums would be on lockdown 24/7 and hey why isnt this thread locked then?

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1470518

Originally by: Superkiller NinjaPirate


I hope this whole thing will soon or later be published on external gaming magazines or gaming websites ... maybe it's the only way CCP will do "something" about it.


Yea, theyll form another CSM to go to Iceland and look over their shoulder and make sure they arent involved like the last CSM was supposed to do about cheating... We know how well thats gone

and seriously... lol @ the CCP that said something about file a petition
just lol

Look how long it took for them to close the hulkageddon troll thread lol they must be busy blowing up miners

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.19 18:54:00 - [983]
 

Originally by: Yana Cova
Edited by: Yana Cova on 18/02/2011 21:14:08
I dare say as this issue become more public knowledge - heck even I found about it, then if nothing is done we will be left with one of two likely outcomes:

1) More and more people start to use bots until it becomes prevalent amongst the playerbase - economic upheaval ensues and game is in spiral death mode.

2) More and people get upset as they become aware that the playing field is not level and quit out of disgust. With new fancy Incarna avatars causing influx of noobs, and fancy expansions down the line, we may have situation (1) with people joining, learning that status quo and botting themselves, or just have a turnover of noobs getting a few months in then quitting in disgust - in which case EVE will need a pretty steady influx of new people...

As for the post above mine saying that RMT is fine as it helps dolphins and orphans - good grief...


you are telling the truth, you either need to convince devs to change the game or to have the crowds follow you and punish MACRO and macro alliances with player actions, such as hulkageddon.

Hulkageddon community driven fest, in which you destroy macro fleets with smartbombs and collect killmails.

Yana Cova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.19 19:05:00 - [984]
 

Let's make this issue known to the masses that play the lvl 4s, mine the roids etc to work their way up and let them know that everything they do is effectively pointless unless they join the rest and start botting to make 10x more than they can ever dream of currently.

Afterall, why put the effort in when you can just the pc on all day/overnight to make your riches?

We will end up with:

a) everyone botting - goodnight eve
b) CCP finally takes a stance and does something meaningful
c) no one cares much and those who do quit.. ah well.. was a nice idea, shame about the execution.

Lets make this public! Let people make up their minds once they know of the problem, whether they care or not.

Tell people in local! Direct them to this thread, but let them know the 1st post is a troll, the rest is meaningful!




Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.02.19 19:10:00 - [985]
 

Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 19/02/2011 19:10:42
d) Goodbye EVE, CCP doesnt care and focuses on world of Twilight

Yana Cova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.19 19:19:00 - [986]
 

Heh very cynical - but not a great idea from the corporate point of view -

if (d) do nothing, let Eve slowly die and focus on 'world of twilight' then CCP will become known as the company that allows macors, bots etc and WOT would just get screwed over fast anyway as people move in to cash in... - huge investment down the drain.

Not a clever move for the future from the business perspective.

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.02.19 19:31:00 - [987]
 

Thought ofa side effect.... wonder if hulkageddon will eventuallly stop happening once they realize the only ones theyre killing are bots so they cant get any tears and arent ruining anyone's day

Yana Cova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.19 19:36:00 - [988]
 

Edited by: Yana Cova on 19/02/2011 19:36:53
Sadly I think most people that get ganked by hulkageddon are real people (no proof, just a theory) - the majority of bots I believe reside in 0.0 regions, with a fair few running courier missions in lo sec or mining ice in hi sec.

Most hulks in Hi sec are probs just bears - whereas <tinfoil> most* hulks in 0.0 probs are not people....

*depending on region

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.02.19 19:43:00 - [989]
 

Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 19/02/2011 19:46:44
Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 19/02/2011 19:44:40
Originally by: Yana Cova

if (d) do nothing, let Eve slowly die and focus on 'world of twilight' then CCP will become known as the company that allows macors, bots etc and WOT would just get screwed over fast anyway as people move in to cash in... - huge investment down the drain.



Dont know that they would honestly. I play a lot of other MMOs and, honestly, EVE isnt widely known and if it is known, its reputation is that of Mos Eisley. The hive of scum and villany. Also, its an old game. Most likely people would chalk it up to the scum killing the game or that it died off because it was old.
I really dont think the rest would come out and if it did, most MMO players would be like "bots? so what every game has em. Theyre not a big deal" not knowing it is a big deal in THIS game cause of the single shard and the way the economy works.
Hell, the CEO of the company that put out Hellgate was snatched up days after that game and that company meteored into the ground, like nothing had happened lol. He works for Cryptic. Bill Roper. The man with the **** midas touch. Everything he touches turns to ****.
I mean its not like ppl kill an MMO an noone ever plays their games anymore, ****, SOE killed SWG (basically) and they got DCUO now, which doesnt look like its failed to sell copies. SADNY, most ppl are sheep in this industry and buy games for the name not the company. Look at the sales of STO when it came out vs what it is now. They had big opening sales but theres noone in the game now cause its crap. They bougth into the name of the game, not the company.

Yana Cova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.19 19:51:00 - [990]
 

You may be right there - I agree to people that have vaguely heard of EVE it really is with a feeling of Mos Eisley - as for me maybe I am old and jaded and this is the future, so I need to get with it...

Just bot the sh*t of any game I play (on auto) since everyone else will be.

I loved the idea of MMPORGS, and now maybe we have evolved to the point where they are, at least in my opinion, just freaking broken - let the kids play for a month or so with the parents credit card, then move on the next one...

Maybe the next market cycle wll be hugely anti-bot as we see the current generation die....


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