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freshspree
Caldari
Dissonance Corp
Posted - 2011.02.18 04:40:00 - [931]
 

Originally by: Durnin Stormbrow
Originally by: Zachstar
What is needed is fear. Fear of breaking the EULA [with] real in game consequences.


Law, without force, is impotent.
Blaise Pascal



You log on and no bot disturbs you in anyway then you say you are fed up????!!!!

I don't get. Enlighten me, plox!

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.02.18 04:55:00 - [932]
 

Originally by: Archbeholder
Edited by: Archbeholder on 17/02/2011 19:08:26
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 17/02/2011 18:32:14
Funny thing about the bots, even if all the players leave except the hard core players, more bots will join and more an more plex will be bought so CCP wiull still make money lol
so quitting doesnt even hurt them

to above can i have your stuff?


Funny thing about the bots, if all players leave there wont be anyone left to pay for plex lol

edit:forgot lol


ALL the players will never leave. Ther are some people that will always be here "till they switch off the servers"

Captain Mung
Posted - 2011.02.18 06:19:00 - [933]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Edited by: Malcanis on 16/02/2011 11:42:48
Originally by: Captain Mung
Breaking EULA, or encouraging others to do so, is not allowed. Spitfire



If the punishment for encouraging others to break the EULA is as unlikely and as trivial as it is for actually breaking the EULA, then why should we care?


This.


So only discussing botting openly is illegal huh..

CCP should just come out with 1rst party botting software so we can all enjoy the fun.

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.18 08:29:00 - [934]
 

the logical solution to the problem - start botting yourself, tell your friends to do it. When the problem becomes big, CCP will change the security/macro policy. The problem isn't big enough yet.

IsOcYaNaTo
Caldari
dutch viper squadron
viperfleet
Posted - 2011.02.18 08:34:00 - [935]
 

Ban those botters, breaking the game.

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.18 08:43:00 - [936]
 

wait wait, bott more actually... put this game to its knees. Make 30 000 active players who still believe in fairplay fools.

Devastate the the economic balance and turn eve-o into another piece of rubbish. Let the yellow gold plague spread. Also make some cash and get some sweet tears.

Prove that you have brains, push the chinese traders out of this business.

HowardStern
Posted - 2011.02.18 11:39:00 - [937]
 

Originally by: Captain Mung
Originally by: Malcanis
Edited by: Malcanis on 16/02/2011 11:42:48
Originally by: Captain Mung
Breaking EULA, or encouraging others to do so, is not allowed. Spitfire



If the punishment for encouraging others to break the EULA is as unlikely and as trivial as it is for actually breaking the EULA, then why should we care?


This.


So only discussing botting openly is illegal huh..

CCP should just come out with 1rst party botting software so we can all enjoy the fun.


This. Or even better, how about an infinite wallet, that'll save everyone any effort whatsoever.

sarah mcjimmy
Posted - 2011.02.18 11:45:00 - [938]
 

Edited by: sarah mcjimmy on 18/02/2011 12:00:24
Originally by: Opertone
the logical solution to the problem - start botting yourself, tell your friends to do it. When the problem becomes big, CCP will change the security/macro policy. The problem isn't big enough yet.


Pretty much this. I've come to the conclusion that until an issue is exploited LIKE HELL. CCP won't do anything about it.

Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.02.18 12:53:00 - [939]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
Originally by: Opertone


try to understand me... some guy, a dev, a technician or a GM wants to make extra cash, so he cheats on the company and strikes a deal with RMT. He is jealous, angry or doesn't care about reparation. As if Iceland economy was slow after the crisis and certain people prefer hard cash.

I assume the company itself would not sell ISK on the black market.


There was a thread where it was asked if CCP devs actually play eve. They chimed in in large numbers saying yes, that there are internal affairs people at CCP to insure no cheating takes place, and these internal affairs folks take their job very seriously. Apparently past events with BPO's and whatnot has made CCP do whats needed to its house clean. So I highly doubt anyone at CCP is selling isk.

Now if they were only so diligent when it came to bots.....


Problem is though and this is only my understanding. IA can only monitor accounts they know about. Now if I remember the thread each CCP employee gets 3 accounts gratis as part of working for CCP. All of which it's fair to assume IA keep an eye on.

Nothing stopping someone whipping out their (or their partners) credit card and buying more. Which IA won't be keeping an eye on (especially not if it's in the partners name).

So yeah, a CCP employee could be running a bot farm, but they probably aren't.

Also I need to tighten my tin foil hat slightly.

Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.02.18 12:58:00 - [940]
 

Originally by: Captain Mung

CCP should just come out with 1rst party botting software so we can all enjoy the fun.


Their 'thin client' did catch a lot of peoples interest.

Now I'm sure everyone thought: Holy cow, I can write a native OpenGL engine and link the two together... multiplatform nirvana is mine! I shall have EVE on my iPad *evil laugh*

And nobody thought: Well, I wonder if it can mine and use less resources per client than my current bot farm?

Removed hints on how to bot. - Adida

Derelicht
Posted - 2011.02.18 13:16:00 - [941]
 

Originally by: Turzyx
Originally by: Avila Cracko
Originally by: Ger Tomard
Still no actual proof of RMT in this thread.

Botting sure, show me RMT proof.



Maybe this:

RMT Uncovered: The Interview


Fascinating read.


I encourage everyone to read this interview, all 3 parts. Fascinating, and enlightening. And disheartening.

Skareon
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.02.18 13:23:00 - [942]
 

Edited by: Skareon on 18/02/2011 13:23:11
Each bot can garner a net total of 30 bill per month easily.

The question is... is CCP for or against such "easy money"?

They need to make a clear stance either for or against such botting.

I'm cool with whatever response they give on the matter, for I am sure that whatever decision they make it is for the great good of EVE.

note: personally I am strongly against botting and I strongly believe all people caught botting should have their accounts (and all associated accounts) deleted immediately.

Banjo String
Posted - 2011.02.18 14:04:00 - [943]
 

Is there no way to fix the spelling mistake in the topic title?

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.02.18 16:02:00 - [944]
 

Originally by: Skareon
Edited by: Skareon on 18/02/2011 13:23:11
Each bot can garner a net total of 30 bill per month easily.

The question is... is CCP for or against such "easy money"?

They need to make a clear stance either for or against such botting.

I'm cool with whatever response they give on the matter, for I am sure that whatever decision they make it is for the great good of EVE.

note: personally I am strongly against botting and I strongly believe all people caught botting should have their accounts (and all associated accounts) deleted immediately.


Removed conversation that encouraged people to purchase ISK from 3rd party sellers - Adida

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.02.18 16:12:00 - [945]
 

kinda how funny how its more illegal to talk about it openly than to actually do it huh?

Durnin Stormbrow
Posted - 2011.02.18 16:31:00 - [946]
 

Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
kinda how funny how its more illegal to talk about it openly than to actually do it huh?


The 1st rule of Figh... oh wait.. oops.

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.02.18 16:43:00 - [947]
 

Originally by: Jefferson H Clay

Problem is though and this is only my understanding. IA can only monitor accounts they know about. Now if I remember the thread each CCP employee gets 3 accounts gratis as part of working for CCP. All of which it's fair to assume IA keep an eye on.

Nothing stopping someone whipping out their (or their partners) credit card and buying more. Which IA won't be keeping an eye on (especially not if it's in the partners name).

So yeah, a CCP employee could be running a bot farm, but they probably aren't.

Also I need to tighten my tin foil hat slightly.


Well, sure, but thats "just" botting. Being employed by CCP does not make that easier. What I was saying is to actually steal from CCP, like using dev privileges to create isk form nothing and then sell it to an RMT, would be quite hard to do.

Richard Aiel
Caldari
Umbra Exitium
Order Of The Unforgiving
Posted - 2011.02.18 16:46:00 - [948]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay

Problem is though and this is only my understanding. IA can only monitor accounts they know about. Now if I remember the thread each CCP employee gets 3 accounts gratis as part of working for CCP. All of which it's fair to assume IA keep an eye on.

Nothing stopping someone whipping out their (or their partners) credit card and buying more. Which IA won't be keeping an eye on (especially not if it's in the partners name).

So yeah, a CCP employee could be running a bot farm, but they probably aren't.

Also I need to tighten my tin foil hat slightly.


Well, sure, but thats "just" botting. Being employed by CCP does not make that easier. What I was saying is to actually steal from CCP, like using dev privileges to create isk form nothing and then sell it to an RMT, would be quite hard to do.


How about a dev account making things that are extremely valuable then providing them to a corp to make money with them, taking a portion of that money and feeding it out as RMT?

I know that the first part of that has happened in the past.

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.18 16:57:00 - [949]
 

How about not touching MACROes in exchange for 20% of their revenue.

Richard Aiel
Caldari
Umbra Exitium
Order Of The Unforgiving
Posted - 2011.02.18 17:01:00 - [950]
 

Originally by: Skareon

They need to make a clear stance either for or against such botting.



They do.
Every time they delete a post about botting in another thread and point to this one as where to talk about it.

Skareon
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.02.18 18:55:00 - [951]
 

Originally by: Richard Aiel
Originally by: Skareon

They need to make a clear stance either for or against such botting.



They do.
Every time they delete a post about botting in another thread and point to this one as where to talk about it.



So... you're implying that they are "for it"? hehe...Laughing, darn. Confused Crying or Very sad

Trauli
Posted - 2011.02.18 18:56:00 - [952]
 

I am feed up of riverinis posting

sarah mcjimmy
Posted - 2011.02.18 18:58:00 - [953]
 

How about making the Alliance responsible? Eg, negative corp wallets etc. I'm sure that would have quite the effect on allowing renters in a system.

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.02.18 19:26:00 - [954]
 

Originally by: sarah mcjimmy
How about making the Alliance responsible? Eg, negative corp wallets etc. I'm sure that would have quite the effect on allowing renters in a system.


According to the EN24 report it's not the drone renters who are the botters. It's the RENTOR alliances (XDeath, Solar, RA, etc).

sarah mcjimmy
Posted - 2011.02.18 19:32:00 - [955]
 

Originally by: Jack Gilligan
According to the EN24 report it's not the drone renters who are the botters. It's the RENTOR alliances (XDeath, Solar, RA, etc).


What I mean is to extend the punishment at present (engage in RMT with dirty ISK and face negative balances) and taking it to a higher level. Whether it be the corporation or alliance directly.

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.18 20:27:00 - [956]
 

Edited by: Opertone on 18/02/2011 20:28:34
Edited by: Opertone on 18/02/2011 20:27:28
Edited by: Opertone on 18/02/2011 20:26:53
CCP need to change its marketing slogan...

Economy controlled entirely by the players... EvE economy entirely run by bots...

Competitive market, driven by players through supply and demand... Overheated, oversupplied markets, overtaken by macro farmers

Every player action has an effect... Only the richest moguls with macro space holding alliances can change the balance of power, a truly authoritarian regime.

Playerbase, that is fun to be a part of, become a member of a corporation, join an alliance, which in terms is friends with other alliances... Travel across systems and meet thousands of spam bots, silent 24 hour mining bots and risk averse hunter-bots, who cloak and log off.

Heck, it would be simpler for them to play on SiSi for ultimate ISK bloodbath.

Yana Cova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.18 20:51:00 - [957]
 

I rarely ever post, in all of my 5 years playing this great game, but now I feel compelled to. It is my heartfelt wish that someone listens and takes to heart what I have to say...

I spend my time trading. I buy and sell goods for a margin - look for profits between stations, constellations and regions and exploit them - this is a form of market pvp that I am sure the vocal minority will decry with taunts of 'carebear', 'cry moar', 'gtfo' or whatever. Fair dues, this is a sandbox, I traded in Elite (yes I am that old), and I am trading now in this wondrous, advanced and expanded multiplayer version as I see it - good times, good times...

But...

I make a tidy sum through market knowledge, patience and cunning - this is fun. However my tidy sum is entirely eclipsed by the accusations of what people make by buying a bot program and leaving 1,2,3...x running - it makes my personal, real time effort seem like a joke.

So what do I care about some other folks making easy cash? Jealous much? Well the answer to that is, it cheapens my sense of achievement - what I do through effort they can do through buying a program and leaving it running - the obvious question is why bother with effort in that case? Yes I find the market fun, but if I know I am not on a level playing field, the obvious answer would be to level it - i.e. get some bots up and running and cash in like the rest.

Why don't I do that? Well, that would destroy the point of playing for me - the fun is pvp (even if without lasorz) but if the bot isk/ore/mod generation is as great as many people indicate, then I am not so much in favour of player vrs robot - where is the fun in that? If you went robot vrs robot, then there really is literally no point at all.

So, just my plea to add to the chorus - please CCP do something about this or at least open up to us about how much of a problem you know it to be and what you intend to do about it rather than the playerbase relying on hearsay and non-official news sites.

If nothing major is planned to be done against bots (not just RMT but for personal gain too!!!) then the message will be increasingly loud and clear via the silence that is it unofficially acceptable to bot for personal gain making anything I and thousands of others do effectively pointless (after all, where is the achievement in grafting for say 100m when I could be afk for a day and make 10x that?)

Hear my cry....please...




Nina Mercedez
Posted - 2011.02.18 20:57:00 - [958]
 

Originally by: Yana Cova
Hear my cry....please...


They are deaf. ...

IIIAsharakIII
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.02.18 21:00:00 - [959]
 

Personally I feel that folks make way too much of a big deal out of this. It hardly effects you, except for occasionally fluxuating the price of goods IN A GAME.

The worst part about this is your presentation. You used V is for Vendetta to describe RMT.

Ok. . . .

HOW IS RMT EVEN AFFECTING YOUR REAL LIFE?!?!?!?

You don't even know why those RMTs do what they do, what their motivations are. Is their mother sick with cancer from working in some ****ty factory overseas where they didn't think it was worth their time to give her protective gear to shield her from the obviously cancerous materials she was working with? Or maybe its a younger guy, and he's got a little sister, and he's pulling in extra income so she doesn't have to go work in the dupont factory to begin with, or worse, become a prostitute and serve the same ungrateful sobs that spend their time *****ing and moaning about frivilous things like RMT.

RMT has absolutely ZERO effect on your real life, and it has a 100% effect on theirs. I say, the RMT guys should get toegether and have their own V is for Vendetta speech, it would make more sense coming from their mouths than yours.

Yana Cova
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.18 21:09:00 - [960]
 

Edited by: Yana Cova on 18/02/2011 21:14:08
I dare say as this issue become more public knowledge - heck even I found about it, then if nothing is done we will be left with one of two likely outcomes:

1) More and more people start to use bots until it becomes prevalent amongst the playerbase - economic upheaval ensues and game is in spiral death mode.

2) More and people get upset as they become aware that the playing field is not level and quit out of disgust. With new fancy Incarna avatars causing influx of noobs, and fancy expansions down the line, we may have situation (1) with people joining, learning that status quo and botting themselves, or just have a turnover of noobs getting a few months in then quitting in disgust - in which case EVE will need a pretty steady influx of new people...

As for the post above mine saying that RMT is fine as it helps dolphins and orphans - good grief...


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