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Bhattran
Posted - 2010.12.06 12:26:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
When CCP start banning the accounts that buy ISK, we'll see a decline in RMT.

But RMT is only half the story when it comes to botting. CCP seem to pretty much ignore botting as long as the ISK isn't sold.


I agree and it doesn't help that so many players tend to think that botting = RMT as is evident by oh so many of the rage at bots/rmt threads. There isn't a simple, easy or perfect solution to RMT or botting but that doesn't stop the rage threads.

gfldex
Posted - 2010.12.06 12:39:00 - [62]
 

/me rattles his cage

Servus Y
Posted - 2010.12.06 13:15:00 - [63]
 

I think things are fine the way they are. Eve economy is booming and CCP is making lots of money. If non-human players have become as integral part of the game as people are saying then removing them could have catastrophic consequences to CCP.

Моё судно на воздушной подушке полно угрей

Pesadel0
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2010.12.06 13:26:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Servus Y
I think things are fine the way they are. Eve economy is booming and CCP is making lots of money. If non-human players have become as integral part of the game as people are saying then removing them could have catastrophic consequences to CCP.

Моё судно на воздушной подушке полно угрей


Lol why is that ? Catastrofic as in killing some macro ratter alliances SC would actually make a diference in wars?

Derelicht
Posted - 2010.12.06 13:30:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Servus Y
If non-human players have become as integral part of the game as people are saying then removing them could have catastrophic consequences to CCP.


Rolling Eyes


Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2010.12.06 13:52:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Kalle Demos on 06/12/2010 13:53:23
According to that website the bot has been bought 6139 times lol, since CCP are cool with botters and there is no reason for more than 1 purchase im going to have to assume more than 10% of the population are botters, the scary thing is thats just one website AND only applies to macro ratting.

1 in 10 eve players are gay and by the looks of it 3 in 10 eve players are botters.

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2010.12.06 14:01:00 - [67]
 

Fist off, I lol'ed at the V for Vendetta reference.

Second, I too am sick of bots in eve. I live on the fringe of russian space. I roam out at night, and it seems every system is full of bot ravens with exqurors hauling. They run 23/7 and hide in cloaked safes the second anyone enters local.

There is even a ratting raven in a system next to ours, so we watch first hand its activity and have reported it multiple times with no reaction by CCP.

I understand botting is nearly impossible to prove. Bots can be very complex and from CCPs perspetive they see a player who has no life. They might be taking an unemployed or disable persons only joy. Only way they can ever ban them is if they get into RMT.

But alot of these bots are not RMTers. They are botting for the profit of their main character only. I see no way of stopping them except giving temp bans to every who plays 23/7 and seeing how quickly petitions are filed.

kurg
Posted - 2010.12.06 14:07:00 - [68]
 

Learn to spell first. YARRRR!!

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2010.12.06 14:20:00 - [69]
 

From the 'best' bot guide

Quote:
Overview needs to be unpinned, it is very important that your overview like your local tab are unpinned, otherwise the stars or celestial objects will interfere with X-XXX which will result in unwanted outcomes


There is alot of these 'strict' rules and alot of other stuff too, killing off bots isnt really as hard as one would think, if CCP could go research the bot then perhaps they would be able to see what the bot heavily depends on

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2010.12.06 14:30:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Kalle Demos
From the 'best' bot guide

Quote:
Overview needs to be unpinned, it is very important that your overview like your local tab are unpinned, otherwise the stars or celestial objects will interfere with X-XXX which will result in unwanted outcomes


There is alot of these 'strict' rules and alot of other stuff too, killing off bots isnt really as hard as one would think, if CCP could go research the bot then perhaps they would be able to see what the bot heavily depends on


Are you saying they should redesign the GUI to mess up bots or they should feed back GUI customisations in order to ban bots?

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2010.12.06 14:41:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Kalle Demos
From the 'best' bot guide

Quote:
Overview needs to be unpinned, it is very important that your overview like your local tab are unpinned, otherwise the stars or celestial objects will interfere with X-XXX which will result in unwanted outcomes


There is alot of these 'strict' rules and alot of other stuff too, killing off bots isnt really as hard as one would think, if CCP could go research the bot then perhaps they would be able to see what the bot heavily depends on


Are you saying they should redesign the GUI to mess up bots or they should feed back GUI customisations in order to ban bots?


Prevent unpinning of boxes, which imo is a stupid thing to allow anyway and make boxes more tranparent

Caldari Citizen20090217
Posted - 2010.12.06 14:43:00 - [72]
 

Last time they banned all the bots GTC prices dropped and my LP store actually became worth it for a while. So yes, please do Unholy Rage II ASAP.

Quazal Atreides
Gallente
Low Orbit Industries
Posted - 2010.12.06 14:57:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Cyrus Doul

, By doing so the money can leave their account. get washed by blinks account and sent back as an actual item instead of isk again. Adding one more layer of masking to it. you see people like Quazal Atreides on there 15+ hours a day. at this point they have bots for the bots. He at this point has put at least 55 billion isk into the game as shown by his achievements. A"


Firstly who the **** are you calling me a bot, I am a player who has enough isk to gamble just because you have to beg borrow steal to get enough isk to play per month that aint my problem

and for the record this is taken directly from Somer site

ISK Deposited 118,500,000,000 ISK
Blinks Played 8,433
Promo Blinks Played 49
Blinks Won 1,138
Megablinks Won 96
Win Ratio 13.49%
Value of Blinks Won 160,076,000,000 ISK

So a bot am i :) the fact if you even bothered to get off your lazy arse and investigate is that i sit in the blink channel all day and chat away you can pop in most times and say hi.
Hey half time im in game half time im the fact that i can do research on my final dissatation paper and click a button and win things is non of your F****ing business.

So next time you decide to call someone a bot please get off you lazy arse and do some investigation.

If you even bothered to do checking on me on the forum you would see that i run succesfull business and ddonate to the community (not much granted) but more than some whiny ass 2isk pimp like you.

Thanks and good night!


NB

This script wasn't written by a Bot but a ****ed of player who like most people in eve takes great pleasure in killing/and hutting out ratting/mining macros

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2010.12.06 15:00:00 - [74]
 

We need delayed Local in 0.0 (ideally everywhere) and updated d-scan (and other updates to client to hinder sophisticated macros). Let the players do our own policing.

holding pattern58
Posted - 2010.12.06 15:03:00 - [75]
 

Actually a simpler solution would be to have people with negative standing afk-cloak in each of the botter systems. If the bots then start mining/plexing again you are free to shoot them.

From what I've heard most of the bots will stay docked/safespot whenever a non-blue enters system, thus preventing them from making isk.

Too bad we don't have an alliance who can disrupt bot activities on such a massive scale with afk cloakers.

Xylengra
Posted - 2010.12.06 15:08:00 - [76]
 

I think all but those directly benefiting from the sale of macro proceeds will agree that RMT-ing is bad. It's easy to focus in on the owners of macro ratting operations as benefactors, but in a real way CCP benefits too. It is also easy to discount, though we shouldn't, a certain amount of bot envy, even from those who claim the moral high ground in the argument.

However (and this is something I rarely see mentioned), in this space simulation game, which already has a well-evolved drone-using and drone-accepting society, isn't it entirely reasonable that we would have developed robots to do many of these routine tasks, such as mining, for us? It reminds me of every Star Trek episode ever made - the captain has to give an order for the shields to go up. Why wouldn't that be an automated thing??

Forgive that digression, I couldn't help but see the analogy.

There are some bottom line truths out there about this issue. Like weeds, you might cut them back, but to get rid of them completely you will poison the lawn. Our worry, and CCP's worry, SHOULD be focused on the RMT-ers. The average joe out there running a high-sec macro to finance his PLEX purchases for game time is, seriously, the least of the problem.

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2010.12.06 15:09:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: holding pattern58
Actually a simpler solution would be to have people with negative standing afk-cloak in each of the botter systems. If the bots then start mining/plexing again you are free to shoot them.

From what I've heard most of the bots will stay docked/safespot whenever a non-blue enters system, thus preventing them from making isk.

Too bad we don't have an alliance who can disrupt bot activities on such a massive scale with afk cloakers.


Even if there was a neut afk cloaker in every system in the game it wouldnt remotely affect macro miners, which are equally annoying.

Hmm I am starting to obsess about this a little too much, this I will take a 24h forum break :)

how many
Posted - 2010.12.06 15:22:00 - [78]
 

stop double posting majestaphail.

Alt Obviously
Posted - 2010.12.06 15:32:00 - [79]
 

It's unfortunate that the OP chose this style of post (CAPs, etc.), diverting attention to a very real and serious issue.

I don't believe that CCP isn't doing anything against it, but it's easy to see how something in which easy money can be made corrupts people (alliance leaders and individual CCP employees alike). As such, it deserves attention, especially because it does affect the quality of the overall game and enjoyment of players.

On a side note, the article on EVE News 24 is awful: rather than critically analyzing the problem, it is simply a manual on how to RMT yourself. I wonder how many people have been "inspired" to try it out after reading it.

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.12.06 16:07:00 - [80]
 

It is funny how many people whined and threadnaughted about Remaps for PLEX destroying the game, but only a fraction of those people are actively posting in this thread.

Myz Toyou
the Organ Grinder and Company
Posted - 2010.12.06 16:20:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Myz Toyou on 06/12/2010 16:24:32
Originally by: Suitonia
It is funny how many people whined and threadnaughted about Remaps for PLEX destroying the game, but only a fraction of those people are actively posting in this thread.


they either:

- busy with setting up their own bot clusters
- smart enough to know that CCP has no real interest in stop the botting
- know that CCP most likely will close all these threads and try to keep it under the carpet
- still believe this all is a lie and think that bots dont exist
- dont care
- already unsubbed and moved over to WoT


Personally I go with choice 2 + 3

Bhattran
Posted - 2010.12.06 16:31:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Myz Toyou
Edited by: Myz Toyou on 06/12/2010 16:24:32
Originally by: Suitonia
It is funny how many people whined and threadnaughted about Remaps for PLEX destroying the game, but only a fraction of those people are actively posting in this thread.


they either:

- busy with setting up their own bot clusters
- smart enough to know that CCP has no real interest in stop the botting
- know that CCP most likely will close all these threads and try to keep it under the carpet
- still believe this all is a lie and think that bots dont exist
- dont care
- already unsubbed and moved over to WoT


Personally I go with choice 2 + 3


I'm 2 + 3 and a bit of 4 because of my 2 + 3 leanings.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2010.12.06 16:40:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Tres Farmer on 06/12/2010 16:44:40
nvm.

Pesadel0
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2010.12.06 16:48:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Suitonia
It is funny how many people whined and threadnaughted about Remaps for PLEX destroying the game, but only a fraction of those people are actively posting in this thread.


Indeed it is weird ,damm i really tougth it would create a new threadnougth and here we are now 3 pages and counting ...Really sad

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2010.12.06 16:55:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Kalle Demos
From the 'best' bot guide

Quote:
Overview needs to be unpinned, it is very important that your overview like your local tab are unpinned, otherwise the stars or celestial objects will interfere with X-XXX which will result in unwanted outcomes


There is alot of these 'strict' rules and alot of other stuff too, killing off bots isnt really as hard as one would think, if CCP could go research the bot then perhaps they would be able to see what the bot heavily depends on



What's "unpinning" ? Certainly you need to be able to move local around and make it as skinny as possible.

I really hope they ad the opttion to remove the charater portraits from the list of players so more would stack into a a smaller legnth of space... (yeah I like local(for social interaction encouragement...i'd prefer to even have the corp names listed under player name in local)... but thats another argument I partially made above.

But on your Main Point...

Yeah.. Know Your Enemy... i hope peole at ccp have purchased the programs mentioned, are using them and trying to figure out a method to engineer game mechanics to make such things difficult ...

... thats not lowest common denominator thinking if the changes are made in a way that also enhance real player to player interaction...

... making botters an easy target for players also would enhance game play not only through reducing botters in game but giving players semi-npc-like targets with an AI designed by random "external programmers"

00 RatingBot987657
Posted - 2010.12.06 16:57:00 - [86]
 

So what alliance leaders sell supercarriers and other Items procured with or bought with the use of BOTS on RMT sites. As well as their ISK in game? So what people like KIA Eddz are active and loud proponetns of RMT and CCP flies them to Iceland to host Alliance tournaments.

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.12.06 18:14:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: 00 RatingBot987657
So what alliance leaders sell supercarriers and other Items procured with or bought with the use of BOTS on RMT sites. As well as their ISK in game? So what people like KIA Eddz are active and loud proponetns of RMT and CCP flies them to Iceland to host Alliance tournaments.


I think Accusations of whether or not people or alliance leaders bot, and which ones are botting or not is just going to derail this thread into a flamefest fast. Lets focus on the issue that there are a lot of botters out there, and CCP needs to do something.

Cyrus Doul
E0 Corp
Posted - 2010.12.06 18:29:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Quazal Atreides
Originally by: Cyrus Doul

, By doing so the money can leave their account. get washed by blinks account and sent back as an actual item instead of isk again. Adding one more layer of masking to it. you see people like Quazal Atreides on there 15+ hours a day. at this point they have bots for the bots. He at this point has put at least 55 billion isk into the game as shown by his achievements. A"


Firstly who the **** are you calling me a bot, I am a player who has enough isk to gamble just because you have to beg borrow steal to get enough isk to play per month that aint my problem

and for the record this is taken directly from Somer site

ISK Deposited 118,500,000,000 ISK
Blinks Played 8,433
Promo Blinks Played 49
Blinks Won 1,138
Megablinks Won 96
Win Ratio 13.49%
Value of Blinks Won 160,076,000,000 ISK

So a bot am i :) the fact if you even bothered to get off your lazy arse and investigate is that i sit in the blink channel all day and chat away you can pop in most times and say hi.
Hey half time im in game half time im the fact that i can do research on my final dissatation paper and click a button and win things is non of your F****ing business.

So next time you decide to call someone a bot please get off you lazy arse and do some investigation.

If you even bothered to do checking on me on the forum you would see that i run succesfull business and ddonate to the community (not much granted) but more than some whiny ass 2isk pimp like you.

Thanks and good night!


NB

This script wasn't written by a Bot but a ****ed of player who like most people in eve takes great pleasure in killing/and hutting out ratting/mining macros



And his email:
get your facts right
From: Quazal Atreides
Sent: 2010.12.06 15:14
To: Cyrus Doul,

Firstly

Who the **** are you calling me a Bot.

If you have a link to an imaginary site i want it, becaue i will personally respond to their ignorance.

I suggest you read my post on the forum and appologise

Dont bother trying to come out with some ****, simply your a lazy ****tard who doesn't know what its like to have 1mill isk let alone the amount that i can gamble and lose at my own expense.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1426740&page=3

Post 78 is my response.

Now next time you want try to be deflamatory do your ****ing investigation on the person first.

Quaz.

Also if you really want feel free to get CCP to investigate me, because it would take all of 5 mins to see that i rarely go 5 mintues without talking in one of the many public trade channel that people know (and have known me for 2/3 years) or in the blink public channel..

So report me if im a bot... if not **** you ...... and an apology would be appreciated.

End mail correspondance

I'm happy for you that you can respond to posts. But your numbers are just helping me out here really. And the fact that you rage that hard core by me using you as a username example. I could have said the TYKONDEROGA guy that has now racked up 352 billion isk in winnings. I guess if you can manage to play a game 12 to 15 hours a day while doing your dissertation in how to write a better bot program more power to you.

The fact stands is that I randomly picked one of the people that you can see betting on EVERYTHING with the same style all day on something that is a known way to launder money and you responded ridiculously over the top. I have noticed that you have toned it down since the article came out and I made my statement that made you rage oh so much. Good way to show what ones the bots might be.

Or to lay low...

Btw your not getting an apology. So you talk in the in game channel occasionally, doesn't mean you aren't botting blink. And petitioning CCP won't help as they can only get you on EVE not some third party page. Basically this whole thing is calling out how Botters or non botter RMT people can launder. I guess I'm sorry you fit the description of a bot user perfectly.

Quazal Atreides
Gallente
Low Orbit Industries
Posted - 2010.12.06 19:02:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: Quazal Atreides on 06/12/2010 19:17:24
ok show me evidence.get a GM to audit my accounts. you know nothing about account

the fact is you decided to slander a real person you know find yourself trying to justify this by the "you fit the potrait"

let me let you into a little secret.

In a game of chance (using somer site) 1 in 8 chance or 12.5% then should the numbers be completly random then the same number will come up 12.5% of the time

So using this logic betting on the same number 1000 times will give you 125 wins now assuming your wins are not the small ships then you win isk..
Using this logic is how i play when i goto casino (which i do 1 a month) i play roulette and guess what.... i use the same numbers on teh roulette table, now unless im mistaken i dont need to plug myself into the power mains, i am definatly human

But also if i was RMTing why would i then not take all my winning as isk..
My winnings are split between the following numbers

Value of Blinks Won 161,900,000,000 ISK
Winnings Transformed to Blink Credit 31,235,106,000 ISK
Winnings Transformed to ISK 24,949,820,000 ISK

now if i was RMTing then i would transfer every single win to isk otherwise would be pointless...

I have nothing to hide so unless you want to get a GM involved take your little 2 isk ass back to your carebear home and finally.. does a BOT really offer services to the other players eve, have you even bothered to check in teh trade channels.. speak to other players who have known me for 3 years before you start to slander my name.
quaz corp service 1st service ive offered )still the only free copr creation service in eve
Sepi (my alt) copying service another service i offered with comments from customers.
Sepi corp public offering. a public share offering

Now do any of them look like the posts of a RMT etc. feel free to continue flaming or using my name but i am asking you first remove my name from the slander or i will get a GM to remove it (and yes i will ask them to audit my account and see if a single isk has been bought or sold in the 4yrs i have played the game)

Tuscanspeed
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2010.12.06 19:10:00 - [90]
 

Unpopular opinion time:

Please extend the holy rage to the following categories as well:

1. GTC's
2. running multiple accounts at the same time (whether from the same PC or several
3. character bazaar

If the goal is getting rid of botting. Getting rid of the above 3 go a long way to accomplishing that goal.

But fair play isn't in the playbook in EvE. It's all about the isk.

Tournies are fun to watch knowing about how it's all bought behind the scenes in one way or another.


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