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Archbeholder
Posted - 2011.02.16 13:17:00 - [841]
 

The best thing we can do as players is simply to cancel our subscriptions.
If this wont make CCP do something about botting then so be it.

Whyumadtho
Posted - 2011.02.16 13:17:00 - [842]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
We’re currently putting together more information on our efforts to fight RMT and we will make that available to everyone next week. We appreciate that this is something you are all very passionate about and we look forward to answering your questions.


Still waiting on delivery.

Superkiller NinjaPirate
Posted - 2011.02.16 13:23:00 - [843]
 

Edited by: Superkiller NinjaPirate on 16/02/2011 13:28:33
One day I was jumping around in Venal in my shiny cov-op.

After traveling system to system and founding ratters and a huge load of guristas wreks I decided to try to takle one of those silly carebears. The plan was to takle+smak as I had no guns/drones etc.
After many tries I did it. I takled a shiny Raven!!

A Raven, takled by a cov-op, has many options ... the best one is to destroy the cov-op ... or just log off.
He did nothing ... i tried to open a chat with him ... no answer, no yes, no denial ... tried to fleet with him, no yes, no cancel fleet invite ... the pilot remains takled for 4 hours, FOUR HOURS, with chat+fleet invites open in the middle of the screen ... from time to time, I un-takled him, and he just continued ratting like nothing happened.

Keeping him tackled and playing with takle / un-takle, I petitioned it to a GM: I filled a "stuck" petition because I know they answer very fast and I wanted to be sure to make a GM see this botting behaviour.
Indeed they answered fast and a kind GM said he can do nothing but escalate the petition to someone else departement ... "the ****, I have him takled here, if a GM come and see will ban him for sure!".

guess what ? ... after 2 weeks I went back to the system, the botter was there ratting. After 5 months I went back there ... he was there botting. I have him in contact list ... 24/7 online.

That is the clear proof CCP do not ban for botting. CCP employs feel free to contact me and say I'm telling bull****.

I contacted the CEO of the botter ... "our corp is very against botting! we don't tolerate this ****!" ... guess what ? the botter is still in the corp.

During time, i petitioned a number of botters ... guess what ? they are still here botting.

So ... what is the conclusion of the story ? CCP do not give a **** about botters ... deal with it guys.
They can say "they care" ... it is not like that, they do not.
And I'm not talking about what has been exposed via EvEnews24.com (that for itself could make me vomit and change game) ... I'm talking about the infinite number of players petitions over the years.

And Botting has NOTHING TO DO with RMT ... botting isks goes in the wallet of big alliances, for cap/supercap/sov/etc. or just in the wallet of players who want the shiny ship. If "ever" CCP will make a stance against RMT, they will just touch the top of the botting iceberg, and ban a small numer of traders.
If CCP will make a stance against macroing (and that's whay they will never do it and continue to tell us lies) ... we will se 0.0 sov system changed radically, the entire economy back to the roots, corps and alliances loosing more than 50% of their playerbase.

So again ... CCP will never ban macroers as long as they will not RMT ... happy botting everyone.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.02.16 13:26:00 - [844]
 

Originally by: Jack Gilligan
Why bother with it and the lure of the sandbox economy if a bunch of Russian alliance botters are going to reduce the value of what you do to nothing?


Look you do yourself no favours at all by repeating this, so stop eh? This is in EVERY SINGLE SOV HOLDING ALLIANCE, BAR NONE.

The Russian speaking Eve community does however seem to be deeper into this whole crappy business than most other language groups. I suspect that had a lot to do with ancient drone region nerfs and bots have evolved a lot since then such that they are in use everywhere.

There are however a lot of countries that speak Russian to some extent - eg Serbia. Always pointing the finger at "the Russians" is like blaming the English for people smack talking in local because the majority of smack is in English Rolling Eyes

I'm not naive. I know what goes on in the South/East. Nor am I anyones alt. Nor am I Russian or Eastern European. This is my main.

The drone regions however are NOT the source of new ISK as they don't get bounties for drones so I wish people would stop going on about them as being the main problem.

There are loads of bots yes but they're not injecting money into the economy.

They are however cheating in-game in that they can build superiority rather than buy it (as bounty macro ratting alliances do) so from my point of view they're still just cheating scum. Being dispassionate though they do less damage to the game than the macro ratters in other null regions.

If anyone wants to go rage on bots then there is NO better area to do it than Stain. NPC null so you have stations. Rats in Stain generate ISK through bounties so shut that down if you want to do cloaky stuff.

CCP won't do anything other than tweak game mechanics - and don't kid yourselves, that is aimed ONLY at RMT botters. Rampant cheating will continue, but blaming the Russians for it all the time is asinine. If we're talking RMT then the US economy is flat on its arse right now - hell California alone runs a deficit bigger than most European countries - so the incentive is the same for people without a job regardless which side of the Greenwich Meridian you are.

Every single corp which resides in sov-holding space have some members who always seem to be ratting. Before those corps complain, look around you. There IS someone (probably several) just like that.

Until the cost of tolerating botters exceeds the cost of banning them bots will remain.

I think the players (all languages) need to convince CCP to do the right thing. It's worth a try before giving up on Eve I reckon.

Superkiller NinjaPirate
Posted - 2011.02.16 13:41:00 - [845]
 

Edited by: Superkiller NinjaPirate on 16/02/2011 13:52:44

Blaming the russian is just as CCP trying to focus our attention only on RMT (yes, rus alliances do RMT a lot, it's a fact, hads down) ... just a faint not to solve the real problem.

The real botting isks goes directly in tha wallets of players/corps/alliances ... big 0.0 holding alliances. I strongly believe just a very small % of macroers do that to sell isk for real money.
CCP has never and will never ban for botting not related to RMT ... CCP employs play EvE in the very same alliances that will be destroyed if botters will be banned. It's a fairy tale they don't know how things are going.

The only thing to do is ... botting as everyone else do, CCP will never ban you if you don't sell isks for $$$.

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
We’re currently putting together more information on our efforts to fight RMT and we will make that available to everyone next week. We appreciate that this is something you are all very passionate about and we look forward to answering your questions.


Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Hey guys, just wanted to say I'm seeing a lot of conversation here about us not caring or not doing anything about this particular subject and I wanted to affirm that it's a subject that's very near and dear to my heart. This isn't a subject that's being ignored in ANY WAY, and it's actually something I personally take umbrage with.

I understand how one can feel a certain way based on their personal perceptions, but I can also say with some degree of authority that this is no way a subject that's being ignored in the least.


tl;dr ? ... bull s h i t ... we want facts, not fairy tales ... and in FACTS ccp is doing NOTHING against botting.

gfldex
Posted - 2011.02.16 14:03:00 - [846]
 

Originally by: Superkiller NinjaPirate
I strongly believe just a very small % of macroers do that to sell isk for real money.


How likely is it that somebody who is botting is not paying his accounts with PLEX from 4-4? So in that respect they are all ISK sellers.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.02.16 14:12:00 - [847]
 

Originally by: gfldex
How likely is it that somebody who is botting is not paying his accounts with PLEX from 4-4? So in that respect they are all ISK sellers.


No its not.

From CCPs perspective, isk generated from bounties and spent on PLEX = net revenue to CCP and neutral effect on economy. Healthy situation and really not a problem, but....

....of course it only works if you disregard the way Eve (and its players) actually works. Which is precisely what CCP have done.

Got to give them credit for it though - lovely re-inflating bubble. Just takes a loss of player confidence though and....

pop Neutral

Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.02.16 15:15:00 - [848]
 

I suspect I'm going to get yellow text but whatever.

Reading the thread and making a few comments one thing is quite clear; very few people have researched bots. A lot still seem to think along the lines of dumb macro's.

You'd be better off opening a web browser and visiting google, then using some generic search terms to find the people selling this stuff.

They've usually got YouTube videos, forums (most of which are off limits to non-customers, but you find the occasional bug report in the public spaces) and set-up guides (which are usually pdf's). Those guides give basic defaults for you to work from... how many people running the bots do you think just keep the defaults? :)

That should be enough for you to figure out exactly what this software is capable of AND what it's weaknesses are.

Here's an example of a mining bot from a year or so ago:

It could see Local and would respond to red/neut/blue as per settings. It could NOT detect the scroll bars or arrows so it couldn't look up & down local.

So if it was in a busy system it might only see the top, middle or bottom of the list of people and the default for EVE is to only show the top... so it'd see, for example, Abraxis enter and run but it couldn't see Zulu.

However if it started to register shield damage it'd check for rats, then check for players and depending on how fast it was going down either deploy drones and deal with the issue or logoff. Hulk's can throw out ECM drones and one of them getting a cycle off and 'poof' it's back at the station spamming dock. If it's shields instantly fell under X% it'd just assume it was being alpha'd and log.

So you could sneak someone up on it to hold it down, then drop a large alpha gang on it... assuming the tackle slipped by it's local check.

However that was a while ago and I've no reason to doubt "scrolling" is now one of its features, but I'd wager its on a timer and you could nab it in between cycles.


Superkiller NinjaPirate
Posted - 2011.02.16 15:43:00 - [849]
 

once upon a time ... I played on an UO unofficial server. They developed an anti-macro check system: if you doing the same thing over and over (i.e. skill rising, money, materials rising check etc.) a random popup appears and you had to fill in a small digit etc.

I strongly understand that this kind of things is very hard for CCP to implement and that an UO shard back in 2000 is still the vanguard of programming ... but maybe, you know, CCP should try harder. My little cousin is learning v-basic ... he could help you CCP.

Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.02.16 15:51:00 - [850]
 

Originally by: Superkiller NinjaPirate
once upon a time ... I played on an UO unofficial server. They developed an anti-macro check system: if you doing the same thing over and over (i.e. skill rising, money, materials rising check etc.) a random popup appears and you had to fill in a small digit etc.

I strongly understand that this kind of things is very hard for CCP to implement and that an UO shard back in 2000 is still the vanguard of programming ... but maybe, you know, CCP should try harder. My little cousin is learning v-basic ... he could help you CCP.


Align, warp, jump, align, warp, jump... *POPUP*

Think of all the repetitive things a fleet does on the move and exactly how much rage that going off at the wrong time would cause.

Funny I know... until it happens to you.

Elanor Vega
Posted - 2011.02.16 15:57:00 - [851]
 

Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
Originally by: Superkiller NinjaPirate
once upon a time ... I played on an UO unofficial server. They developed an anti-macro check system: if you doing the same thing over and over (i.e. skill rising, money, materials rising check etc.) a random popup appears and you had to fill in a small digit etc.

I strongly understand that this kind of things is very hard for CCP to implement and that an UO shard back in 2000 is still the vanguard of programming ... but maybe, you know, CCP should try harder. My little cousin is learning v-basic ... he could help you CCP.


Align, warp, jump, align, warp, jump... *POPUP*

Think of all the repetitive things a fleet does on the move and exactly how much rage that going off at the wrong time would cause.

Funny I know... until it happens to you.



I think that point of that post was that everybody are doing something to solve botting problem... only CCP nothing...

Superkiller NinjaPirate
Posted - 2011.02.16 16:04:00 - [852]
 

Edited by: Superkiller NinjaPirate on 16/02/2011 16:09:46
Originally by: Elanor Vega
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
Originally by: Superkiller NinjaPirate
once upon a time ... I played on an UO unofficial server. They developed an anti-macro check system: if you doing the same thing over and over (i.e. skill rising, money, materials rising check etc.) a random popup appears and you had to fill in a small digit etc.

I strongly understand that this kind of things is very hard for CCP to implement and that an UO shard back in 2000 is still the vanguard of programming ... but maybe, you know, CCP should try harder. My little cousin is learning v-basic ... he could help you CCP.


Align, warp, jump, align, warp, jump... *POPUP*

Think of all the repetitive things a fleet does on the move and exactly how much rage that going off at the wrong time would cause.

Funny I know... until it happens to you.



I think that point of that post was that everybody are doing something to solve botting problem... only CCP nothing...


this ... plus: the anti macro in UO (i repeat, back in 2000, in Ultima Online free shard ... we are in 2011 now) was able to check for specific repetitive behaviours.
You don't like the "popup" ? ... ok ... specific repetitive behaviours will red flag your char, GM check, ban.

but you know ... it's too hard to do for CCP programmers.

you can solve the botting problem in only 2 ways:
1) do sothing against
2) legalize it or make it a game mechanic (like i.e. mining in RFonline e other games)

CCP is doing nothig = they don't want to solve the "problem".
Too scared to drop the atomic bomb ccp ? ok ... do it not retroactive, don't care, but at least DO SOMETHING.

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.16 16:30:00 - [853]
 

Can you assume that CCP employees have a feeling that EVE is dying or that perhaps they do not make enough money, so they strike a deal with ISK selling companies and not interfere in their activities. In return they get X ~ (1-20) % of the money by a private transfer.

In simple words CCP staff makes money on RMT, diverting profit from their company to their personal accounts. This can be a clear, logical explanation.

Regardless of RMT aspect, botting makes eve not competitive, as non RMT players use bots to accumulate enormous volumes of isk and gain the upper hand in assets and equipment. Their enemies must make use of bots in order to close the gap in budgeting and afford better equipment.

Botters force every competing pilot to resort to botting. The balance of powers gets upset and the game becomes ruined by exploiters. (I see MACRO and multiaccount MACRO as an exploit to EULA)

Heimdallofasgard
APEX ARDENT COALITION
Nulli Tertius
Posted - 2011.02.16 17:23:00 - [854]
 

CCP:

I know there are some flamers and trolls on these forums, but some of us genuinely want to engage in dialogue with the developers and GM's.

The dev blogs and test server is awesome! It clearly shows you want to document and report your dev work to the players, and your current trend of fixing old features and bugs in the current client in the form of smaller but more frequent patches is indication that you want to polish the existing features as much as possible.

So why is it when we come to the "bot issue", you all cower away and don't say anything about your thoughts or opinions on it? I know a spy in an old corp that hacked an account using third party software and he got a 12 month ban. Why not the same with botters?

I noticed two or three patches back, you changed the rogue drone loot to even out mineral sources. I've also noticed more and more people getting faction drops from level 4 missions (myself included) I don't know if these are measures to try discourage botting or change how lucritive 0.0 is for making isk, but it's curious as to why these changes are being made.

If botters are not being dealt with (which I hope they are) because you're worried about how the market will react, then I think you underestimate how robust it really is, take the noctis for instance... It took less than a week after it was introduced for the price of one to get down to nearly the cost of minerals to build one.

If all of a sudden, 300/500 botting accounts were deleted, there would be an initial (gradual) shock to the market where prices would increase because many of the isk faucets had been turned off, but... As the isk sinks are decreased and faucets increased, the market would fill up again, because the isk wouldn't be flowing to the botters, it would be going to honest players, MORE isk for honest players.

Another thing, there's quite a large null sec war on right now (if you hadn't noticed) which is putting a bit of strain on the high sec markets (phobos for 200mill?! Hah)

It'd be nice to have your comments/opinions ccp, bad/good or reports of how many botters you HAVE kicked?

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.02.16 17:30:00 - [855]
 

I'm beginning to wonder if we're poking at the edges of a scandal that could make T20 look tame? What if CCP employees are engaging in botting or even creating ISK for RMT?


Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.02.16 17:49:00 - [856]
 

Originally by: Opertone
Can you assume that CCP employees have a feeling that EVE is dying or that perhaps they do not make enough money, so they strike a deal with ISK selling companies and not interfere in their activities. In return they get X ~ (1-20) % of the money by a private transfer.

In simple words CCP staff makes money on RMT, diverting profit from their company to their personal accounts. This can be a clear, logical explanation.


No.

CCP as a company is maximising the revenue stream that it has NOW to the exclusion of all else. The way they are behaving its likely the revenue stream is decreasing WAY more rapidly than they thought. There are two games (one costing WAY WAY more than they got told at acquisition) hanging on the Eve revenue stream so you work it out.

Employees diverting isk to their own accounts? Dream on and find another tin hat.



Employees have nothing to do with it.

Richard Christy
Posted - 2011.02.16 17:52:00 - [857]
 

Originally by: Captain Mung
Breaking EULA, or encouraging others to do so, is not allowed. Spitfire



Read up, apparently it is...

Superkiller NinjaPirate
Posted - 2011.02.16 18:03:00 - [858]
 

Originally by: Othran

Employees have nothing to do with it.


Are you so sure ? many employees play EvE like us, in the very same 0.0 alliances that rent systems to macro ratter or macro miners, in the very same 0.0 alliances that builded their supercapital/capital fleets with botting money.

Jame Jarl Retief
Posted - 2011.02.16 18:17:00 - [859]
 

Originally by: Superkiller NinjaPirate

One day I was jumping around in Venal in my shiny cov-op.
*SNIP*


Sadly I've yet to play an MMO where I have not seen this kind of behaviour, or an MMO where devs or GMs took a hard stance against it.

In the past 5 years alone I played, let's see...18 MMOs (holy cow!), ranging from big giant "one we don't mention on EVE forums, starts with a W" down to indie titles that barely sc****d together 60k subs at their peak. And in each one, I observed exactly what you described. I too tried reporting. Nothing was ever done. Not once. At best you get a GM that says they will look into it, and that's where it ends.

There was one time where I quit an MMO and came back nearly 2 years later and the very same character I reported was still botting in the exact same spot, wearing exact same gear, riding exact same mount. It was freaky, made me feel like I traveled back in time.

Long story short, Ive yet to see an MMO where the developers took actual tangible action against botters. From the sound of it, EVE is no exception. Pity... :(

Zhim'Fufu
Posted - 2011.02.16 19:25:00 - [860]
 

Originally by: Soma Khan
Originally by: Rian O'Shea

The problem is that "we" fight for the fun of it, "they" fight for their RL income so their tenacity and focus is very different from us players who "just want to have some fun".
translation: we suck at 'good fights' so here's a cool and convenient reason why we're such losers
A man will fight much harder for his livelyhood than for the virtual bond of rp. If you are a normal player then you don't litterally go out of your way to play the game just to make sure your isk source is kept alive. For the normal eve player they just go somewhere else and make it because its so much easier that way. For a botter who is making rl money off that isk to pay his rl bills then he will be at his computer with every hack, exploit and bot he can lay his hands on to keep him in the best areas that cater to making him money.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.02.16 20:06:00 - [861]
 

Folks, just follow the money.

People pay real money for Plex, to sell for ISK.
Bot miners use thier ISK to buy the Plex.

Where'd the cash paid to buy the Plex go?


Now, show me the incentive to remove bots.

Durnin Stormbrow
Posted - 2011.02.16 20:17:00 - [862]
 

29 page threadnaught about botting. Countless locked threads & censored posts for complaining about botting in the wrong thread.

After more than 2 months, in response we've seen one very poorly received GM blog, a few posts stating that you do care about RMT and are working very hard to stop it, and one CSM summit with all conversation regarding RMT and botting redacted under NDA.

CCP, your silence is speaking volumes.

Halan Devan
Posted - 2011.02.16 20:21:00 - [863]
 

This thread is right on, CCP has had years with which to develop effective means of enforcing the EULA in regards to Bots and have consistantly failed to do so. The honest players suffer inflated prices while the issue is ignored, put off, and barely acknowledged. Sadly the only fix i can see is if the players make a huge issue about it OUT OF GAME. Forums have been shown to be pointless in seeking a resolution to this problem, the next point is to go public and cause a decision between corporate reputation with the gaming public versus allowing the bots to continue on.

The EULA is a laughingstock really, secondary account botting needs to be traceable to the player paying for the account and punishment has to go out to the individual before this would stop and all of their accounts. I could not care less who is botting or how they bot, or where they are from, it just needs to stop.

Zhim'Fufu
Posted - 2011.02.16 20:27:00 - [864]
 

Originally by: Durnin Stormbrow
29 page threadnaught about botting. Countless locked threads & censored posts for complaining about botting in the wrong thread.

After more than 2 months, in response we've seen one very poorly received GM blog, a few posts stating that you do care about RMT and are working very hard to stop it, and one CSM summit with all conversation regarding RMT and botting redacted under NDA.

CCP, your silence is speaking volumes.

Well there were pages and pages of locked threads and cencored posts about ccp's indifference to botting right before they banned 9000 of them during unholy rage. Twisted Evil

Sirius Cassiopeiae
Posted - 2011.02.16 20:32:00 - [865]
 

Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Durnin Stormbrow
29 page threadnaught about botting. Countless locked threads & censored posts for complaining about botting in the wrong thread.

After more than 2 months, in response we've seen one very poorly received GM blog, a few posts stating that you do care about RMT and are working very hard to stop it, and one CSM summit with all conversation regarding RMT and botting redacted under NDA.

CCP, your silence is speaking volumes.

Well there were pages and pages of locked threads and cencored posts about ccp's indifference to botting right before they banned 9000 of them during unholy rage. Twisted Evil



yeah... and they all got temporary bans... max one month... how sexy... Rolling Eyes
we see how that helped... NOT...

but that "unholy rage" was good PR move... that helped only CCP... and that help was temporary too...

Zhim'Fufu
Posted - 2011.02.16 20:39:00 - [866]
 

Originally by: Sirius Cassiopeiae
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Durnin Stormbrow
29 page threadnaught about botting. Countless locked threads & censored posts for complaining about botting in the wrong thread.

After more than 2 months, in response we've seen one very poorly received GM blog, a few posts stating that you do care about RMT and are working very hard to stop it, and one CSM summit with all conversation regarding RMT and botting redacted under NDA.

CCP, your silence is speaking volumes.

Well there were pages and pages of locked threads and cencored posts about ccp's indifference to botting right before they banned 9000 of them during unholy rage. Twisted Evil



yeah... and they all got temporary bans... max one month... how sexy... Rolling Eyes
we see how that helped... NOT...

but that "unholy rage" was good PR move... that helped only CCP... and that help was temporary too...
I would be quite interested in your 'source'. Smile

yani dumyat
Minmatar
Pixie Cats
Posted - 2011.02.16 20:40:00 - [867]
 

Originally by: Jame Jarl Retief
In the past 5 years alone I played, let's see...18 MMOs (holy cow!), ranging from big giant "one we don't mention on EVE forums, starts with a W" down to indie titles that barely sc****d together 60k subs at their peak. And in each one, I observed exactly what you described. I too tried reporting. Nothing was ever done. Not once. At best you get a GM that says they will look into it, and that's where it ends.


The difference is that the free market and holding sov are two of the main selling points in eve. If someone bots in wow it makes minimal difference to your ability to go enjoy the theme park, with botting in eve it's a totally different story.

The market and your ability to outspend your enemies is the central core of eve warfare, every war I've been involved in has ended when one party has either run out of isk or failscaded. The market affects everyone from solo carebears to alliance leaders, WH corps, mercs and anyone else in the game.

Once gaming sites start running articles mentioning bots in eve (and with the current level of noise they will) the whole paradigm behing eve's marketing, and to a big extent the game itself, will collapse.

Originally by: Superkiller NinjaPirate



Off topic, after seeing your name I can't stop singing:

Superkillerninjapirateexpialidocious, even though the sound of it is something quite atrocious...

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.02.16 20:57:00 - [868]
 

Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Well there were pages and pages of locked threads and cencored posts about ccp's indifference to botting right before they banned 9000 of them during unholy rage. Twisted Evil


Whoopee doo!

One, three or (oh the horror!) seven day bans.

Unholy Rage? Unholy bullsh*t more like.....

Sirius Cassiopeiae
Posted - 2011.02.16 20:57:00 - [869]
 

Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Sirius Cassiopeiae
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Durnin Stormbrow
29 page threadnaught about botting. Countless locked threads & censored posts for complaining about botting in the wrong thread.

After more than 2 months, in response we've seen one very poorly received GM blog, a few posts stating that you do care about RMT and are working very hard to stop it, and one CSM summit with all conversation regarding RMT and botting redacted under NDA.

CCP, your silence is speaking volumes.

Well there were pages and pages of locked threads and cencored posts about ccp's indifference to botting right before they banned 9000 of them during unholy rage. Twisted Evil



yeah... and they all got temporary bans... max one month... how sexy... Rolling Eyes
we see how that helped... NOT...

but that "unholy rage" was good PR move... that helped only CCP... and that help was temporary too...
I would be quite interested in your 'source'. Smile



source for "max one month" data?
thats easy... CCP wrote it in DEV blog...
look at this DEV blog: Unholy rage

now look at diagram "Memory Augmentation - Standard"
you see "Temporary bans expire" arrow?

Bingo!

Zhim'Fufu
Posted - 2011.02.16 21:00:00 - [870]
 

Originally by: Sirius Cassiopeiae
source for "max one month" data?
thats easy... CCP wrote it in DEV blog...
look at this DEV blog: Unholy rage

now look at diagram "Memory Augmentation - Standard"
you see "Temporary bans expire" arrow?

Bingo!
Originally by: "linked dev blog"
Immediately after the launch of Unholy Rage the average price (blue line) went up by nearly 100% and the quantity (red line) went down considerably. The spike there in quantity and the drop in price happened when RMT accounts that had been temporarily banned for research purposes became active again and flooded the market with implants they had stashed away. A permanent ban was quickly applied to all the accounts as it was quite clear that they would be returning to their old ways.
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