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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2010.12.06 02:38:00 - [31]
 

too much OCCASIONAL CAPSLOCK SYNDROME and bad V for vendetta copypaste to read. it helps if you don't try to edit the words to be about something else hamhandedly.

i guess you're mad about botting though?

Lion Around
Posted - 2010.12.06 04:46:00 - [32]
 

Ok, botting I get. But what the heck is RMT?

Fried'chickenisha
Posted - 2010.12.06 04:47:00 - [33]
 

Forum bot x5000......pick one reply

1) STFU noob
2) go back to WoW
3) you mad?
4) Umad
5) cooly story bra
6) your mother

random pick #6

Your mother

Exordium8
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.06 04:52:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Fried'chickenisha
Forum bot x5000......pick one reply

1) STFU noob
2) go back to WoW
3) you mad?
4) Umad
5) cooly story bra
6) your mother

random pick #6

Your mother


You forgot #7, which is what I choose.
(When you ragequit) can I haz your stuff?

Aeronwen Carys
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.06 05:45:00 - [35]
 

This is why I hate weekends, less forum moderators around to kill of pointless threads like these.

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2010.12.06 05:56:00 - [36]
 

Did you know, if you have one of those macro keyboards, CCP gives you full permission to use it, so if CCP bother to question botters they can easily reply "im not botting im using the keyboard".

Probably why they only target RMT and not bother with the insane amount of bots

Tyrrant
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.12.06 06:24:00 - [37]
 

I said it before and I will say it again.

If we want to remove all the botters all we have to do is remove the local in 0.0 and make it delayed mode. This will do a couple things.

It will make scouts actually useful and people wont rely on that damn local count. It will also make every single 0.0 botter die in a fire to stealth bombers + recons. Lastly, it will boost black ops and covert bridges.

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2010.12.06 06:29:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Tyrrant
I said it before and I will say it again.

If we want to remove all the botters all we have to do is remove the local in 0.0 and make it delayed mode. This will do a couple things.

It will make scouts actually useful and people wont rely on that damn local count. It will also make every single 0.0 botter die in a fire to stealth bombers + recons. Lastly, it will boost black ops and covert bridges.


Theres 3 kinds of botters and tbh directional scanners can easily be used to see who is in the system so macros wont really have an issue, in case you missed the link that was provided, botters are in WHs too :P

Macro ratters, macro miners, macro haulers all need shooting with a silver bullet

Tyrrant
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.12.06 06:31:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Kalle Demos
Originally by: Tyrrant
I said it before and I will say it again.

If we want to remove all the botters all we have to do is remove the local in 0.0 and make it delayed mode. This will do a couple things.

It will make scouts actually useful and people wont rely on that damn local count. It will also make every single 0.0 botter die in a fire to stealth bombers + recons. Lastly, it will boost black ops and covert bridges.


Theres 3 kinds of botters and tbh directional scanners can easily be used to see who is in the system so macros wont really have an issue, in case you missed the link that was provided, botters are in WHs too :P

Macro ratters, macro miners, macro haulers all need shooting with a silver bullet


did you not see the part about cloaky ships? stealth bombers and recons and such?

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2010.12.06 06:36:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Kalle Demos on 06/12/2010 06:36:54
Originally by: Tyrrant
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I did, I get what you are saying but I dont think it will do alot of harm to botters, dont get me wrong I would prefer local to be gone in 0.0 and think it should happen anyway but there needs to be something done about ALL types of botting not just 0.0 ratters.

Meridian Siri
Posted - 2010.12.06 06:41:00 - [41]
 

I like the concept of a removed/delayed local. I do, however, wonder how effective it would be in dealing with macros that are configured to read data directly from the client without the use of OCR.

One of the main probs I have with macro/RMT is that everyone sees it going on....and CCP doesn't seem to do anything about it. If the impact on the game was minor, it would be one thing; but when bots are being used to the extent where they can prop up empires...totally different deal. This stuff is,literally, casting a shadow on the legitimacy of null-sec power blocks (whether deserved or not). I would think that alliance leadership types would be concerned about this and police their own.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2010.12.06 06:48:00 - [42]
 

On the spelling thing, yeah, I was being a bit facetious but if someone is making a point, try to understand what they're trying to say, even if they don't say it exactly right.

The point isn't to prove people wrong but to engage in a dialogue that might better understand an issue...not for anyones advantage, but just for the intellectual pleasure of seeing as many nuances, motivations, and posible mechanics as possible.

As for the spelling and grammar it has less to do with the subject at hand. People should take people seriously who bring new perspectives to issues. I'm not sure that the OP did that, but the "feed" thing had little influence on whether or not that you, as a well adjusted, noble and magnaminaous human being, should be confused by.

I do agree though, that in general, spelling and grammar are a curtesey that you owe a reader...depending upon the medium.

If you consider internet conversation as "Oral"... you'd type on here with the same care and pace that you would while talking at a back yard bar-b-que.

Going back and correcting spelling would lose that conversational feel.

If you considered board posts more like notes written back and forsth to people, not quick verbal responses.. you would take more care.


As to the "local"issue:

I think the best method would be misiformation, including players appearing in local and maybe even ships on scan, that were not there. The fakes should be chosed from real active players.. move through a few systems, then go poof.. as they would if they were targetted..

Sifting signal to noise is something that humans do well.. it would give and advantage to people who might know who and who not would be likely to be in a system, and it would give a reason for people to know as many players names and corps as possible.. see their corp messages and otherwise make the other players in the game a part of your experience. Eliminating local would tend to make you notice less players and have less reason to get to know them...as friends , or enemies.

Tyrrant
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.12.06 06:49:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Meridian Siri
I like the concept of a removed/delayed local. I do, however, wonder how effective it would be in dealing with macros that are configured to read data directly from the client without the use of OCR.

One of the main probs I have with macro/RMT is that everyone sees it going on....and CCP doesn't seem to do anything about it. If the impact on the game was minor, it would be one thing; but when bots are being used to the extent where they can prop up empires...totally different deal. This stuff is,literally, casting a shadow on the legitimacy of null-sec power blocks (whether deserved or not). I would think that alliance leadership types would be concerned about this and police their own.


If bots can read into the delayed local mode and see people when they actually jump in, that is some ****ty news for CCP's programmers. Surely there is a server side fix for this. Perhaps even letting players close the local channel. If it is setup like other channels on eve that would remove them from it. If there are people reading the client like that they should all be perma-banned.

Ringo Jeicha
Posted - 2010.12.06 07:19:00 - [44]
 

How was babby formed?

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2010.12.06 08:19:00 - [45]
 

Change gameplay that you can't (easily) automate it. Make gameplay that it is not stupid and senseless grinding but interesting stuff that requires some wits.

Most of the problems solved.


Besides ... do you have any solid numbers except just some random stuff from some forums? Sure, it is easy to say that whole stain is infested by bots or that the newly NC-conquered constellations in the drone regions are rented to bots. It is easy to say that most of the logistics in the NC are done by bots. It is easy to say that the russians are hugely involved in RMT. It is easy to say that whole EVE is infested with bots.

One would guess that there are many sorts of bots: Logistic bots, mining bots, ratting bots, market bots.

But what PROOF is there? Without proof and facts you hardly can act.


A devblog with details and statistics would be good though. Especially since this is getting pretty alarming. Only time until the larger gamer magazines will report about this - and then it would be good if CCP would have some statements _before_ this happens.

Mme Pinkerton
The pink win
Posted - 2010.12.06 09:11:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 06/12/2010 09:19:05
Originally by: Gnulpie
One would guess that there are many sorts of bots: Logistic bots, mining bots, ratting bots, market bots.

The relevant thread on the forum that must not be named links to a fairly well-known SDK that exposes many functions of the EVE client via a very nice API.

This allows you to build your own bots (for trading, ratting, courier work, mission running, mining, ...) very easily if you have some basic programming knowledge.

Why are these bots not for sale?

Mainly because (a) why would you want to share your unfair advantage (and give CCP insight in the patterns your bot follows) and (b) they still rely on said SDK(s) which require a subscription (in RL cash ofc) making these bots relatively expensive when compared to your standard OCR bot.


CCP could get rid of the more nasty bots by requiring a Punkbuster/Warden-like program to "protect" the EVE client's copy in your computer's memory.
However, this would be extremely intrusive to the regular players and would likely result in some heated discussions in the community ("CCP has no business knowing what I run on my computer besides EVE", "OMG you're a botter!1!!111", "no I am not", "yes you are").

Rexthor Hammerfists
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.12.06 09:13:00 - [47]
 

Botting is done everywhere, in some regions more than others but still. As long as coalitions can hold several regions botting will remain.

Dirk Mortice
Posted - 2010.12.06 09:21:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Meridian Siri
I would think that alliance leadership types would be concerned about this and police their own.



BAHAHAHAHAHA


If by "police their own" you mean "kick out friendly ratters to ensure they have more than enough botting space for themselves" then yeah sure.

Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2010.12.06 09:23:00 - [49]
 

CCP I AM ****ING SICK OF YOUR BULL****. ALL THESE PEOPLE CHEATING IN THIS GAME AND YOU KNOW ALL ALONG AND YET YOU DO NOTHING.

I WANT ACCOUNTS BANNED AND EVERYTHING EXPOSED. I DON'T CARE HOW MANY DEVS USE BOTTING AND RMT TO MAKE OFF-THE-BOOKS INCOME, FIRE THEM IF YOU HAVE TO, IF YOU DONT FIX THIS I'LL CANCEL ALL MY THREE ACCOUNTS.

EXCELLENCE OR MEDIOCRITY?

IN EVE, THE CHOICE IS YOURS.

Vurshachka
Posted - 2010.12.06 09:44:00 - [50]
 

There are some EveNews 24 sites that post bottling guides that i think is to much !!!

Pesadel0
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2010.12.06 10:16:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Pesadel0 on 06/12/2010 10:16:45
Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
Botting is done everywhere, in some regions more than others but still. As long as coalitions can hold several regions botting will remain.


Off course it will remain if CCP doenst take action..ANd CCP closing all the threads about the issue lol .

Reeno Coleman
Posted - 2010.12.06 10:41:00 - [52]
 

/signed, but....

...CAPSLOCK in the title.. really?

Torus Schwert
Jelly Kings
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.12.06 10:43:00 - [53]
 

Killing enemy supercap, knowing that his bot-army will farm him a new one within 1-2 days ... no fun anymore ... Sad

1600 RT
Posted - 2010.12.06 10:56:00 - [54]
 

i 100% agree with the removal of any macro that create isk like macrofarmer or macro missioner

but on the removal of macrominer im a bit worried because if CCP remove them, all the T1 ship will skyrocket in price since ppl would have to actually mine, the maintenance cost of POS will skyrocket as well since there wouldnt be anymore cheap ice product (not to mention fuel for capital).

in the end im more happy knowing there are people that make more money than me because they macro rather than have to mine ice and minerals myself

Reeno Coleman
Posted - 2010.12.06 10:58:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Lion Around
Ok, botting I get. But what the heck is RMT?


RMT = Real Money Trading

Buying or Selling EvE Assets for real dollars, which is strictly forbidden, but apparently very common.

Eyeama Spy
Posted - 2010.12.06 11:09:00 - [56]
 

ccp are tackling the bot problem in 2 ways, the first is the xmas present on 14th dec...its an afk cloaked ship in every system in eve online 24/7, the second is incursions, which will target all high sec ice belt systems with reduced resists, sansha bombers to kill the bots in belts and gate camps on the exits.
Merry xmas and a happy new year

Arec Bardwin
Posted - 2010.12.06 11:31:00 - [57]
 

Read the RMT stories on http://www.evenews24.com/ (this is a CCP-endorsed website)

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.12.06 11:34:00 - [58]
 

When CCP start banning the accounts that buy ISK, we'll see a decline in RMT.

But RMT is only half the story when it comes to botting. CCP seem to pretty much ignore botting as long as the ISK isn't sold.

Charles Newton
Amarr
Duck Hide and Pants Solicitors
Posted - 2010.12.06 11:40:00 - [59]
 

OP, breathe deeply dude.

Anila Taipei
Posted - 2010.12.06 11:55:00 - [60]
 

Stop botting /botter, I suppport this discussion.


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