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Drahcir Nasom
Independent Manufacturers
Independent Manufacturers Alliance
Posted - 2005.01.14 01:54:00 - [1]
 

Podding in Empire space should be banned. Empire space is supposed to be safe.

I am about to lose a long term member of my corp because a greifer decided to gank him in a 0.4 empire system last night and basically wipe out everything this player has worked for since he joined the game. I could understand it if he had been in 0.0 space, but he was flying in Citadel which is about as Empire as you can get. There is no way a player with a -10 security standing should be able to sit at a gate in a 0.4 system in Empire in a BS and gank other players as they pass by. Where are the gate guns? Where is Concord? With a -10 security rating this greifer shouldn't be able to get anywhere inside Empire space.

In the space of a few seconds, a player who only plays a few hours a week and has only had his wallet over 50M isk twice in over a year loses a 20M isk clone, a full set of implants, a load of minerals, a destroyer and a pod, all because one player is too scared to go fight real players in 0.0 space, he has to pick on people in Empire who aren't expecting to be podded.

The lag and the fact this player has to (like me) play with his sound switched off otherwise he deafens himself since the last patch, didn't help either.

Drahcir Nasom

MooKids
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2005.01.14 02:02:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: MooKids on 14/01/2005 02:04:57
Quote:
...who aren't expecting to be podded.


And that is a sure way to get yourself killed.

0.0 to 0.4 empire space is supposed to be low security. There are no law enforcement there and the gate guns only react to offensive acts in their view, not past acts. Think of this area as the slums of the Empire, where the cops just don't go. Not to mention the gate guns are stationary and have a limited range. Most people can usually shoot from outside the gun's range or can tank the gun's damage.

You aren't meant to be safe all the time in this game. 1.0 systems aren't even safe! The only true safe place is inside a station.

And I don't want to be mean here, but if your friend has a 20 million ISK clone and had a full set of implants, then either he foolishly spent his money on a clone way too good for him or he has been playing this game long enough to know better.

EDIT: Should also point out that someone playing this game as long as you should also know about this.

Daiken
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2005.01.14 02:07:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Daiken on 14/01/2005 02:09:13
Originally by: Drahcir Nasom
Podding in Empire space should be banned. Empire space is supposed to be safe.

I am about to lose a long term member of my corp because a greifer decided to gank him in a 0.4 empire system last night and basically wipe out everything this player has worked for since he joined the game. I could understand it if he had been in 0.0 space, but he was flying in Citadel which is about as Empire as you can get. There is no way a player with a -10 security standing should be able to sit at a gate in a 0.4 system in Empire in a BS and gank other players as they pass by. Where are the gate guns? Where is Concord? With a -10 security rating this greifer shouldn't be able to get anywhere inside Empire space.

In the space of a few seconds, a player who only plays a few hours a week and has only had his wallet over 50M isk twice in over a year loses a 20M isk clone, a full set of implants, a load of minerals, a destroyer and a pod, all because one player is too scared to go fight real players in 0.0 space, he has to pick on people in Empire who aren't expecting to be podded.

The lag and the fact this player has to (like me) play with his sound switched off otherwise he deafens himself since the last patch, didn't help either.

Drahcir Nasom



Indeed. A player with -10 can camp right at a gate in 0.4 systems.
But as soon as he attacks someone, the sentrys will attack him. If you attack him, the sentrys do nothing till he'll defend himself... than they shoot him too.


ps: And it is good the way it is, otherwise I wouldn't have a Job and everything would be too peacefull.

Ranger Whitestar
Caldari
Constructive Influence
Posted - 2005.01.14 02:08:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Ranger Whitestar on 14/01/2005 02:10:36
Is this a joke? OH! please say it is.
you have been in this game for 1 year and 8 months, and you think 0.4 is safe, or should be.
please do tell me this is a joke. compared to you, im a noob. and even i know 0.4 may as well be 0.0 no matter where it is.

Drahcir Nasom
Independent Manufacturers
Independent Manufacturers Alliance
Posted - 2005.01.14 02:13:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: MooKids
0.0 to 0.4 empire space is supposed to be low security.


In that case, there shouldn't be systems like Kubinen in Empire which are <0.5, surrounded by systems >0.5 but stuck at points where people have to pass through them to get from one part of a region to another. Systems below 0.5 in Empire space should be stuck out at the end of dead end arms, not slap bang in the middle of the link between 4 different constellations.

Also, because somewhere like Kubinen IS surrounded by >0.5 systems in Citadel, you don't expect it to be full of pirates, because there is nothing pointing out that connected to Kubinen, but not in Citadel itself is another system <0.5 in another region.

Drahcir Nasom

p.s. Yes, I do know about places like Kubinen because I was based in Haatomo for a while, and I found it a real pain in the neck. I don't go into non-empire space because I don't want any PvP, I would like to be safe in Empire space.

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2005.01.14 02:14:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Verone on 14/01/2005 02:16:15
^^ what they said

and a few things to point out :

> everyone gets the warning prompt when they enter less than 0.5sec space.
> if you choose to ignore it, or turn it off, you do so at your own risk.
> your friend should know better.
> although i don't agree with sniping at gates, and don't myself even call it piracy, more like griefing, people should check their routes are safe(ish).
> don't plead ignorance and whine when you get ganked in low sec space, you read the concord warning, and let it go right over your head.
> never, ever, ever, ever expect not to be podded below 0.5, i'm a pirate, and i expect to be.
> don't buy stupidly priced clones when you don't need them.
> insure everything, and take an escort with you and wear plenty of warp core stabs if you're travelling in lowsec.
>boobies 4 teh win

MooKids
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2005.01.14 02:17:00 - [7]
 

MooKids now presents the top 10 ways to keep yourself safe in EVE, brought to you by GM Panzer's post in the Newbie forum!

Quote:
1. Dont play the game in AFK mode. This game is not designed with this kind of playing style in mind and you should NEVER consider your ship and character safe while being away from your computer.

2. Enter space with security status below 0.5 at own risk. You can NEVER expect to be safe in unsecure space regardless of sentry guns and such.

3. Insure all ships you are using, especially the expensive ones. Since the the time of an insurance contract was changed to 12 weeks, it makes sense without doubt to buy the most expensive "platinum" type of insurnace. At least for those who play quite fequently.

4. Don't expect CONCORD to keep you immune to attacks or ship losses. Like in the real world, law enforcers often arrive too late at the scene of the crime and even though being able to punish the criminal, can't always prevent the crime.

5. Don't rely on Sentry Guns to keep you a 100% safe. Especially not when travelling in unsecure space. There are several tactical ways to avoid sentry gun fire, that are NOT considered to be an exploit.

6. Use map filters such as "ships destroyed in the last hour" to spot possible player pirate camps and other dangerous areas.

7. Use the local chat channel to see whats happening within the system when you have just jumped in.

8. Monitor your faction standing closely. If you have a negative standing (-2.0 or more) against any faction you can expect them to attack you on sight.

9. Use Warp Core Stabilizers to avoid being warp jammed. The more, the merrier.

10. Use the auto-scanner and set it to alert you when anyone in scanning range is a potential threat to you.



And once again, i see flaws in your thinking, saying such things as "you don't expect" and "there shouldn't". Happy thoughts don't make you safe, being paranoid and always watching your back does!

Drahcir Nasom
Independent Manufacturers
Independent Manufacturers Alliance
Posted - 2005.01.14 02:21:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Ranger Whitestar
Edited by: Ranger Whitestar on 14/01/2005 02:10:36
Is this a joke? OH! please say it is.
you have been in this game for 1 year and 8 months, and you think 0.4 is safe, or should be.
please do tell me this is a joke. compared to you, im a noob. and even i know 0.4 may as well be 0.0 no matter where it is.


No it's not a joke. Yes I know 0.4 Empire space can be dangerous, I was saying that if someone has a -10 security rating the shouldn't even be able to get into a 0.4 Empire system, they should be tied to non-empire systems.

And yes, I am fed up with griefers and gankers. There was no reason why this guy had to podkill my corpmate, he gained nothing from doing it, all he did was ruin another player's gaming experience. I really don't understand the mentality of someone who goes around ruining the game for other players "just because they can".

Drahcir Nasom

MooKids
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2005.01.14 02:27:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Drahcir Nasom
There was no reason why this guy had to podkill my corpmate, he gained nothing from doing it


Yes he did, he got the prize inside!

Originally by: Drahcir Nasom
I really don't understand the mentality of someone who goes around ruining the game for other players "just because they can".


Didn't some famous mountain climber, when asked why he climbed Mt. Everest, say "Because its there!"?

Ranger Whitestar
Caldari
Constructive Influence
Posted - 2005.01.14 02:29:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Ranger Whitestar on 14/01/2005 02:28:58
i am sorry to hear its not a joke, cos i was laughing my arse off for good few minutes back there. however you have no arguement, all of empire space cant be trully 100% free from pirates. and it sure as hell can't be all 0.5+. there would be no risk in it ever, for anybody who didnt leave empire.

which would have a rather nasty roll on affect. 1000's of players would not lose ships, except to a nasty mission from time to time. pirates would have noway of getting into high population areas to kill. and worst of all, the game for the most part would have 2 seperate groups. those who stay in empire, and those who cant get into empire. be a bloody boring place in my opinion.


Buraken
Posted - 2005.01.14 03:06:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: MooKids




Originally by: Drahcir Nasom
I really don't understand the mentality of someone who goes around ruining the game for other players "just because they can".


Didn't some famous mountain climber, when asked why he climbed Mt. Everest, say "Because its there!"?


OMG oooooooowned, geez, i could hear the wipp spanknig his azz all the way here :D

Molten Platypii
Minmatar
Viduus Solus
Posted - 2005.01.14 03:32:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Molten Platypii on 14/01/2005 03:33:59
The original poster needs to be more specific about his/hers wants.

The only one I would advocate is a no podding rule in empire unless you have a bounty on your head.

The rest of the issues appear to be written with emotion instead of rationality.

Making empire "safe" would mean removing NPC pirates, low security people, and guns on ships. I don't believe any of us want that. Besides you'll never be safe from truly malevolent people.

If your friend was killed/podded by a high security rated person camping a .4 gate would you have been less angry?

I suggest giving your friend some money and/or a ship to get back on his feet. Luckily in Eve it doesn't take too long to rebound from such disasters.

Mp

Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2005.01.14 03:35:00 - [13]
 

You go below 0.5, you take your chances.

In 0.5+, you might have meaningful argument, but not in 0.4 and below.

RollinDutchMasters
Gallente
Ordnance Delivery Services Inc.
Posted - 2005.01.14 04:36:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: RollinDutchMasters on 14/01/2005 06:14:11
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. It probably still hurts from getting kicked in it.

Oh, and I cant see how having your sound off would be a problem unless you werent paying attention to the game. In which case the pirate that nuked your afk ship did EVE a favor.

EDIT - Read My Sig

Bexxly
Caldari
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.01.14 05:01:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Drahcir Nasom
Podding in Empire space should be banned.



I stopped reading when I saw that statement.

ugh

Bawldeux IV
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2005.01.14 05:17:00 - [16]
 

cookie?LaughingYARRRR!!

Rift Scorn
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2005.01.14 05:35:00 - [17]
 

click map>click autopilot settings>click safest route

buhu to your mate, it's happened to a lot of us, deal with it Rolling Eyes

Muthsera
S.A.S
Posted - 2005.01.14 05:44:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Ranger Whitestar

even i know 0.4 may as well be 0.0 no matter where it is.


Yes.
That is very much the essence of 0.4
0.4 is basicly just an extention of 0.0
And I'm not all together sure the amount of 0.0 vs safe space is in proportion.
I'm not for changing the settings of 0.4 to 0.1
I think they work fine as it is.
But there are some areas that I find meaningfull to increas the sec rating on.
Right now you can venture far to long into empire whit a -10 standing.
Basicly you can be a few jumps off yulai and be the worlds most hunted "criminal".
I don't personally think in terms of criminal or pirate.
I think that time is past.

But in response to the first post in the tread.
I must say I'm supriced to find a player this old that don't know the risk of traveling in 0.4
Always treat 0.4 as a high risk area.
And don't let ppl get a free kill.

Muthsera
S.A.S
Posted - 2005.01.14 05:46:00 - [19]
 

Oh. and yeah.
It always hurt getting podded.
Those who don't think so, I don't think quite understand the hole aspect of the game.
But then again they might disagree.

amego
Caldari
Posted - 2005.01.14 06:05:00 - [20]
 

gate campers are as lame as it gets! and to the original post ....your exactly right they shouldnt be allowed in empire space with a -10 security status. An excellent post!

Core Bash
REQUIEM INC.
Posted - 2005.01.14 06:12:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: amego
gate campers are as lame as it gets! and to the original post ....your exactly right they shouldnt be allowed in empire space with a -10 security status. An excellent post!


Another stupid response by a no-brained, low life Calda.. wait a second!

hellwarrior
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2005.01.14 06:17:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: hellwarrior on 14/01/2005 06:19:26
Edited by: hellwarrior on 14/01/2005 06:17:33
Your sir, are a whiny who re u again?
Honestly, OMFGS TFU IT OUT.

If he is your friend... help him out?
SERIOUSLY
If you enjoy his presence, those extra mining lasers, that person that refines your ore with better skills, that one person taht will never say no to cyber, you will give him some isk, or get some to help him, and he shall forever be your slave... until your paid back with a thanking...

oh yea btw, losing a pod is nothing, its a hard loss but you have already taken the ISK loss once invested in your pod.

Implants 200mil, gone. Its not like can tear them out and trade them for a ship, i wouldn't want a perception implant with brain matter clinging to the neutraltransmitterbeamies(NTBs as all of us kewl 'leet' people to refer to them as). Clone, ummm.... 4mil covers up to 19.2mil skill points is which is the greater part of a LONG time.

Since I am a nice fellow, get some isk together and he can deliver battleships and interceptors to me witha delivery tip, and perhaps u can lend him the isk to do such a venture.

contact 'hellwarrior' ingame, yes, thats hellwarrior spelled with 3 r's...

ok, i'm going back ot my crazy kewl paper on
******'s Rise to Power (1n leetspeak)

OMFG ALMOST DONE 1;17am arg


wtb cookies

HW OUT

*babble off*


P.S. (apparently Hit-ler is a censored word, even tho I believe it is a name, and not a slur or bad werd, unles used in context)

and omfg, english ppl drink tea, and so do i, except now i have a tummy ache, perhaps its me only being 1/4 english ;[
so pwned i am

Muthsera
S.A.S
Posted - 2005.01.14 06:40:00 - [23]
 

Oh.. And be sure not to travel around in a pod in 0.4

Couldn't resist.
Very Happy


Voltron
Caldari
Black Lance
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2005.01.14 07:10:00 - [24]
 

a 20 million isk clone is one of the uber clones isn't it? jesus, he should be happy about losing his implants, stop training his main char that got podkilled, and start training a pvp character to exact his revenge, not sit and mope about losing all he ventured into low sec empire space and think about quitting the game. An 18 mill + skillpoint character can easily support a combat alt, even if he's never had more than 50 million isk in his wallet, tell him to train up that alt and go have some fun. Getting ganked in low sec space must suck, it hasn't happened to me in empire, only in 0.0, but I always expect it so I'm always ready.......perhaps your corpm8 should fly like that.

Dev Larren
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Posted - 2005.01.14 07:27:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Drahcir Nasom
and basically wipe out everything this player has worked for since he joined the game.


While I despise gankers I have to agree with all those that 0.4 space being dangerous is part of the game. However it is this statement that I often see repeated when people are complainig about a misfortune.

Worked? He has been playing a game! I think it is more because your friend has forgotten this that he is leaving. If it is no longer just a game in which you should also enjoy and build up on the set-backs then it is no longer advisable to play.

Drahcir Nasom
Independent Manufacturers
Independent Manufacturers Alliance
Posted - 2005.01.14 09:06:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Muthsera
I must say I'm supriced to find a player this old that don't know the risk of traveling in 0.4
Always treat 0.4 as a high risk area.
And don't let ppl get a free kill.


He does know the risks of travelling in 0.4, generally, but Kubinen is a special case. If you look at it from the Citadel map, it appears to be a low sec system all on it's own surrounded by high sec ones, and in theory low sec pirates should not be able to get into a system like that. It's only when you take into account it is linked to Crielere (also 0.4) that you see it is not on it's own. However, the chain Kubinen - Crielere - Olettiers is completely surrounded by >0.4 space apart from the Aeman constellation which is a dead end. So, the question is, how did a griefer with a sec rating of -10 get into Kubinen, since to get there from anywhere else he would have had to cross space >0.4, and I thought if you were -10 in space >0.4, Concord killed you instantly.

Drahcir

Sc0rpion
Faster Pussycat Kill Kill
Posted - 2005.01.14 09:15:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Drahcir Nasom
So, the question is, how did a griefer with a sec rating of -10 get into Kubinen, since to get there from anywhere else he would have had to cross space >0.4, and I thought if you were -10 in space >0.4, Concord killed you instantly.


Unless he flew there in a pod, then CONCORD wouldn't look at him twice.

Originally by: MooKids
Didn't some famous mountain climber, when asked why he climbed Mt. Everest, say "Because its there!"?


I can't believe you just compared podding some n00b in 0.4 to climbing Everest. Laughing You must be a VERY GOOD mountain climber...

Drahcir Nasom
Independent Manufacturers
Independent Manufacturers Alliance
Posted - 2005.01.14 09:16:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Voltron
a 20 million isk clone is one of the uber clones isn't it? jesus, he should be happy about losing his implants, stop training his main char that got podkilled, and start training a pvp character to exact his revenge, not sit and mope about losing all he ventured into low sec empire space and think about quitting the game. An 18 mill + skillpoint character can easily support a combat alt, even if he's never had more than 50 million isk in his wallet, tell him to train up that alt and go have some fun. Getting ganked in low sec space must suck, it hasn't happened to me in empire, only in 0.0, but I always expect it so I'm always ready.......perhaps your corpm8 should fly like that.


Get real, perhaps he, like me, doesn't want a PvP alt. Perhaps he's quite happy just training his main character, I know I am. I have never done PvP in this game, and I have fun. There are quite a few of us in this game where "PvP <> Fun" holds true, just because you enjoy it, doesn't mean everyone has to.

Drahcir

p.s. I'm not sure about what my corpmate has, but my main has 175 skills and 25.2M SP, my alts have about 90K each, my training queue for my main char is still about 90 days long, I don't have time to train my alts.

Eyeshadow
Caldari
The xDEATHx Squadron
Posted - 2005.01.14 09:16:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Buraken
Originally by: MooKids




Originally by: Drahcir Nasom
I really don't understand the mentality of someone who goes around ruining the game for other players "just because they can".


Didn't some famous mountain climber, when asked why he climbed Mt. Everest, say "Because its there!"?


OMG oooooooowned, geez, i could hear the wipp spanknig his azz all the way here :D


*snip* Be nice - Saucerhead
Yes he did say he climbed it cos its there, but him climbing it had no effect on any1 else did it? He did it for himself, and it didnt effect any1 except himself.

Gate sniping in low sec is pretty lame but its easy to avoid. Podding people from range is really griefing, plain and simple. There is no need to pod kill people unless its in a war, out in 0.0 (cos every1 knows thats what 0.0 is for) or for the bounty on someones head.

This game is turning into a gank fest and grief fest. It really is starting to suck. I guess the kiddies have got bored of CS and have started doing the same thing in EVE

Drahcir Nasom
Independent Manufacturers
Independent Manufacturers Alliance
Posted - 2005.01.14 09:18:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Sc0rpion
Originally by: Drahcir Nasom
So, the question is, how did a griefer with a sec rating of -10 get into Kubinen, since to get there from anywhere else he would have had to cross space >0.4, and I thought if you were -10 in space >0.4, Concord killed you instantly.


Unless he flew there in a pod, then CONCORD wouldn't look at him twice.


OK, put it another way, how did he get into Kubinen in an Apoc fitted with modded tachyon beam lasers without Concord ganking him on the way there?

Drahcir


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