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Daddy Lite
Posted - 2010.12.05 21:43:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Daddy Lite on 05/12/2010 21:44:15
Edited by: Daddy Lite on 05/12/2010 21:43:49
Good eveing Crime ad punishment, This be my first post here and i am quite a new player.

I am currently moving things in a badger MK1 and I am trying to pet things through Mara using the Piekura - Mara - Dantumi rout.

I am looking for an intel chanel of some sort that will tell me if the gate in mara is being watched by pirates. I have already lost a few hauls. to Fla5hy Red and Python Cartel

If you don't want to put the information on the forums feel free to EvE mail it to me.

Thnx.

Del Preston
Posted - 2010.12.05 21:48:00 - [2]
 

Quote:
if the gate in mara is being watched by pirates.



yes



Captain Spurious
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:35:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Daddy Lite
Edited by: Daddy Lite on 05/12/2010 21:44:15
if the gate in mara is being watched by pirates.


No

Hybok
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:44:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Captain Spurious
Originally by: Daddy Lite
Edited by: Daddy Lite on 05/12/2010 21:44:15
if the gate in mara is being watched by pirates.


No


yes

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:52:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Hybok
Originally by: Captain Spurious
Originally by: Daddy Lite
Edited by: Daddy Lite on 05/12/2010 21:44:15
if the gate in mara is being watched by pirates.


No


yes


No

Andrea Skye
Caldari
Heavy Risk...
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:57:00 - [6]
 

10 mil a day, ill tell you with great accuracy if they are camping the gate or not.

Zeta Zhul
Caldari
Preemptive Paranoia
Posted - 2010.12.05 23:07:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Hybok
Originally by: Captain Spurious
Originally by: Daddy Lite
Edited by: Daddy Lite on 05/12/2010 21:44:15
if the gate in mara is being watched by pirates.


No


yes


No


It's like Schrodinger's Cat; you have to jump through the gate to find out.

Very Happy

Xolornem Srrpep
Posted - 2010.12.06 00:27:00 - [8]
 

His freighter is both popped and not popped.

Triple Entendre
Atrocity.
Posted - 2010.12.06 02:53:00 - [9]
 

Session changes will do that to a man.

Lady Thanatos
Nomadic Shadows
Posted - 2010.12.06 03:52:00 - [10]
 

The gate is camped... and also not camped... at the same time Shocked

Lana Torrin
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.06 04:11:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Lana Torrin on 06/12/2010 04:11:05
Originally by: Zeta Zhul

It's like Schrodinger's Cat; you have to jump through the gate to find out.
Very Happy


Having to jump through to find out of the gate is camped or not is nothing like Schrodinger's Cat. While it is true that the observer is unable to determine if the gate is camped or not at any given moment, there are parties involved that know with certainty if the gate is camped or not (the campers for one) and unlike Schrodinger's feline companion, this information is able to be transmitted beyond the confines of the gate without anyone having to look at the gate. The choice of the pirates to not inform anyone does not factor in to equation at all as the occupancy of the gate is already determined and the information about this determination is available before jumping. In contrast, the paradox of Schrodinger's Cat, the thing that makes it famous, is that while the fate of the kitty has already been determined, information about this cannot be transmitted outside the confines of the box without the box being inspected.

Edit: So no, it isnt.

Xolornem Srrpep
Posted - 2010.12.06 04:23:00 - [12]
 

It took you a paragraph to say, "That which is observed is, in this case, communicatable."?

That's a gross oversimplification of Schrodinger's scenario, by the way, and the post was obviously a joke.

Lana Torrin
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.06 04:41:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Xolornem Srrpep
It took you a paragraph to say, "That which is observed is, in this case, communicatable."?

That's a gross oversimplification of Schrodinger's scenario, by the way, and the post was obviously a joke.


I fail to see how someone can take the miss application of Schrodinger's paradox as 'a joke'. It is of the upmost seriousness and still serves to demonstrate the flaw in logic of much of today’s modern physics.

My comment however was that the state of the gate can be determined by the observer with a great degree of accuracy prior to them committing to the jump using only the tools the game makes available to them IF they know how to use them. Information about the occupation of the gate is accessable outside the confines of the gate.

Also gates look nothing like cats. Cats are cute and purr and have a tail.

Soldarius
Caldari
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
Posted - 2010.12.06 06:50:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Lana Torrin
Also gates look nothing like cats. Cats are cute and purr and have a tail.


Says you. This one looks like the gate through which Hell comes forth for your first-born child.

http://www.myfunnyanimals.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/ugly-cat.jpg

Oh. And this thread is now about kitteh

Phlyk
The VonBraun Institute
Posted - 2010.12.06 06:53:00 - [15]
 

Generally the Piekura -> Mara and Mara -> Dantumi gates are not camped, but making more than a single run will attract attention quickly. Scout it with a shuttle to see how busy it is first, then go through with the goods.

Unless this is a post by a Mail Lite alt in which case I need to say that it always makes me sad to see a blob of ships following your Firetail.

Laxyr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.06 13:08:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Daddy Lite
Edited by: Daddy Lite on 05/12/2010 21:44:15
Edited by: Daddy Lite on 05/12/2010 21:43:49
Good eveing Crime ad punishment, This be my first post here and i am quite a new player.

I am currently moving things in a badger MK1 and I am trying to pet things through Mara using the Piekura - Mara - Dantumi rout.

I am looking for an intel chanel of some sort that will tell me if the gate in mara is being watched by pirates. I have already lost a few hauls. to Fla5hy Red and Python Cartel

If you don't want to put the information on the forums feel free to EvE mail it to me.

Thnx.


I would recommend using courier contracts. A blockaderunner-sized package (about 10k m³) goes in and out of lowsec really quick for about 2-4mil. If you need the goods hauled to highsec with the fastest route going through lowsec you'll be far cheaper off.
Personally I like flying courier contracts in a prowler. Very fast and nearly uncatchable in lowsec.
So, if you already lost a few badgers + cargo you'll find courier contracts to be far cheaper =)

Regards, Lax

Zeta Zhul
Caldari
Preemptive Paranoia
Posted - 2010.12.06 13:08:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Zeta Zhul on 06/12/2010 13:11:28
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Edited by: Lana Torrin on 06/12/2010 04:11:05
Originally by: Zeta Zhul

It's like Schrodinger's Cat; you have to jump through the gate to find out.
Very Happy


Having to jump through to find out of the gate is camped or not is nothing like Schrodinger's Cat. While it is true that the observer is unable to determine if the gate is camped or not at any given moment, there are parties involved that know with certainty if the gate is camped or not (the campers for one) and unlike Schrodinger's feline companion, this information is able to be transmitted beyond the confines of the gate without anyone having to look at the gate. The choice of the pirates to not inform anyone does not factor in to equation at all as the occupancy of the gate is already determined and the information about this determination is available before jumping. In contrast, the paradox of Schrodinger's Cat, the thing that makes it famous, is that while the fate of the kitty has already been determined, information about this cannot be transmitted outside the confines of the box without the box being inspected.

Edit: So no, it isnt.



Actually yes it is.

You're assuming that the Cat conundrum's perspective of a single observer applies to a gate when there are in fact many such observers of the gate. However the conundrum applies to all observers equally and at the same time. So the probability wave collapses when the gate is viewed whether by a transport pilot or by a gate camp pilot. That the pilots can communicate this is irrelevant because the Cat conundrum can be equally solved simply by opening the box.

The key is that any specific pilot cannot know the state of a gate camp until they find out. Until they find out the state of a gate camp the gate camp may be or may not be, it is unresolved.

Heh. To be or not to be, that is the ques ... get a point on that freighter! Very Happy

edit: yes this is all a joke. Annnnnnnd: I want that Hello Kitty Kestrel! Or the option to get ships in Hello Kitty paintjobs.

Efraya
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.06 13:25:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Daddy Lite
Edited by: Daddy Lite on 05/12/2010 21:44:15
Edited by: Daddy Lite on 05/12/2010 21:43:49
Good eveing Crime ad punishment, This be my first post here and i am quite a new player.

I am currently moving things in a badger MK1 and I am trying to pet things through Mara using the Piekura - Mara - Dantumi rout.

I am looking for an intel chanel of some sort that will tell me if the gate in mara is being watched by pirates. I have already lost a few hauls. to Fla5hy Red and Python Cartel

If you don't want to put the information on the forums feel free to EvE mail it to me.

Thnx.


Just create an 2 alt's on your account, move one to mara at a safe in scan range of the Piekura gate in mara, another one at a Mara gate safe in Dantumi. You can reverse them on the way back. You can see if the gate is camped that way without relying on others or disinfo.

Alternatively, train for a Prorator.

Jarek Kalensa
FLA5HY RED
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2010.12.06 13:47:00 - [19]
 

tl;dr The gate is only camped if you have a cat in your cargohold.

Proteus Maximus
Caldari
New Eden Outcasts
Malicious Intent Gentleman's Club
Posted - 2010.12.06 13:55:00 - [20]
 

Contact me in game when you wish to transit the gate. I will see your taken care of.Wink

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
Posted - 2010.12.06 15:13:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Jarek Kalensa
tl;dr The gate is only camped if you have a cat in your cargohold.


So don't haul any jaguars around and you should be fine.

F90OEX
F9X
Posted - 2010.12.06 18:05:00 - [22]
 

During the hay days in Mara, we used to run a escort service between Piek into Mara and then for 2-3 jumps in lowsec. Escorted everything from freighters to battleships. Never lost a ship we escorted :)

Just fyi most times if there is a gate camp the local pirates will have an alt on the Mara gate in Piek since if they get out blobbed they will run.

Best thing to do is hire a local scout, and NEVER pay upfront.



8agpuss
Posted - 2010.12.06 18:39:00 - [23]
 

Wait, am I camping the gate or not? Shocked

Hybok
Posted - 2010.12.06 19:22:00 - [24]
 

i was hoping on a megaquote , C&P , i am dissapoint

Zaboth Garadath
Amarr
Ore Extraction Corporation
Posted - 2010.12.06 19:39:00 - [25]
 

Never

ever

EVER

EVER do this again.

If anyone reads this they know who you are, what you fly, and where you are going.

That makes it incredibly easy to kill you.

Just use a courier contract to be safe Very Happy

Hybok
Posted - 2010.12.06 19:45:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Zaboth Garadath
Never

ever

EVER

EVER do this again.

If anyone reads this they know who you are, what you fly, and where you are going.

That makes it incredibly easy to kill you.

Just use a courier contract to be safe Very Happy

for his sake i hope he posted with an alt Laughing

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2010.12.06 22:00:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: War Kitten
Originally by: Jarek Kalensa
tl;dr The gate is only camped if you have a cat in your cargohold.


So don't haul any jaguars around and you should be fine.


And whatever you do, don't try transport a Jaguar and a Wolf in the same run. Takes hours to clean up all the damn fur and blood.

Mail Lite
FLA5HY RED
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2010.12.06 22:21:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Mail Lite on 06/12/2010 22:26:10
Quote:
Unless this is a post by a Mail Lite alt in which case I need to say that it always makes me sad to see a blob of ships following your Firetail.


Yes it make me sad too, thanks for your concern!

Would just like to say that I have nothing to do with this alt. This is not my alt and any comments to this effect are grossly misleading and is grounds for a full investigation done by Andrea Skye and Spectre5535, as we all trust what ever they say.

Fly dangerous o/

Mail


Belfelmalak
Posted - 2010.12.07 01:53:00 - [29]
 

Ive been looking for some cats to keep the lovebirds that my exotic dancer has company.

Axemaster
Posted - 2010.12.07 06:46:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Lana Torrin
Edited by: Lana Torrin on 06/12/2010 04:11:05
Originally by: Zeta Zhul

It's like Schrodinger's Cat; you have to jump through the gate to find out.
Very Happy


Having to jump through to find out of the gate is camped or not is nothing like Schrodinger's Cat. While it is true that the observer is unable to determine if the gate is camped or not at any given moment, there are parties involved that know with certainty if the gate is camped or not (the campers for one) and unlike Schrodinger's feline companion, this information is able to be transmitted beyond the confines of the gate without anyone having to look at the gate. The choice of the pirates to not inform anyone does not factor in to equation at all as the occupancy of the gate is already determined and the information about this determination is available before jumping. In contrast, the paradox of Schrodinger's Cat, the thing that makes it famous, is that while the fate of the kitty has already been determined, information about this cannot be transmitted outside the confines of the box without the box being inspected.

Edit: So no, it isnt.


Not sure if you just slipped up but this is quite wrong... and I take exception to "the flaw in logic of much of today’s modern physics". Modern physics is a wonder of truly beautiful mathematics, dismissing it so readily is just criminal. Evil or Very Mad

More importantly, any operation that allows an observer to determine the state of the gate collapses the wave function. That includes messages being sent by "special means" like in chat.

Moreover, someone being there to observe does not collapse the wave function for anybody else. You can simply consider the observer as being included in the wavefunction, thus it remains undetermined for outside entities. Wink


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