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oldmanst4r
Minmatar
oldmanst4r's Corporation
Posted - 2010.12.06 16:04:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Meridith Akesia
m8

Pedro Tastical
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.06 17:45:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Quendishir
Recently I joined a "more serious" PvP corporation


Laughing

Diesel47
Posted - 2010.12.06 17:46:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Diesel47 on 06/12/2010 17:46:34
I think Quen is right about Eve Uni sending threatening evemails is just a bunch of **** and stupidtity from the Ivy Uni's leadership.


Go kill those new players and send an evemail back with all the killmails you've gotten to make their leadership rage. Twisted Evil

Master Gotama
Posted - 2010.12.06 18:04:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Quendishir
Recently I joined a "more serious" PvP corporation for some alliance PvP, in the hopes of getting a bit more training.


Your definition of more serious = wardec a noob corp. Your idea of training = trying to kill a bunch of month-old chars. Rolling Eyes

You, my friend, must truly be uber 1337.

Congratz on making yourself look like a douchnozzle in the first sentence. That takes some skill.

OP is full of fail.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2010.12.06 20:01:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Skex Relbore on 06/12/2010 20:02:44
We get these types deccing us all the time too.

They seem to think that because a lot of our members are new that they are going to swoop in and get a bunch of easy kills. Most of the time they are rapidly disabused of this notion.

What they fail to understand is that institutions like EVE-U and RVB have their own missions and purpose and that these deccers are in general an annoyance who interrupt normal day to day operations as such we tend to deal with them in as brutal a manner as possible.

Lordinvisable actually had the most successful Dec against RVB in our history. Other than him and Lukka other PVP corps have either done well to hold even or suffered humiliating losses.

The problem for the most part is the little 1-20 member corps don't seem to conceptualize what they are trying to fight.

In the case of EVE-U you're talking thousands of active pilots they might be new and low skilled but there are legions of them and they are intermixed with some seasoned vets to point them at things to shoot at.

RVB is similar but our pilots tend to be more blood thirsty. We also don't have that ole 3 months and you are out thing. So intermixed with our 100% learning bonused newbs are a fair number experienced vets.

We're also generally realistic. We know that a 1v1 between a 100mil sp LordInvisable in a faction BS and the average 20 mil sp RVBer in a vanilla Domi is anything but a fair fight so we'll throw 5-10 or however many happen to be logged in and interested at a little km whoring at them.

I read Lord's rant about RVB blobbing which was not unsurprisingly similar to his rant about EVE-U blobbing.

Yes these pilots tend to sit docked up until an FC is present to organize them. Sure we'd prefer it if more people were willing to undock try soloing or taking the initiative and organizing fleets themselves.

But the reality is that new players are uncomfortable doing either. And with some good reason. I see the fits some of these guys undock I know the crap I used to fly in.

Flying in fleets helps people build confidence. It gets them undocked and through their first few combats. Eventually that confidence will lead them to be willing to undock solo or organize fleets to engage in combat under less structured circumstances.

It is however the hight of foolishness to think you are going to get good fights when you take on organizations like EVE-U.

You are a disruption your little wardec is interfering with their normal business as such expect them to do what ever they can to make the experience either painful when possible or painfully boring when not.

To the OP. I would say that none of the threats you mentioned have materialized for a couple of reasons.

1 they don't consider you enough of a threat to waste time hunting you down.
2 you've gotten lucky and not been active when one of their more bloodthirsty FC's are about.


The thing people need to understand is that no one is paying to be your victim in this game. Everyone is looking for an edge and very few people are interested in fair fights.

Like I tell 3rd party War targets all the time. If you want to join in on the fun somewhat even fights we have. Then you are welcome to join up. Otherwise expect us to be docked up when we can't WTFBBQ you and to blob the hell out of you when we can.

I see EVE-U following the exact same policy.

You're going to see people run and dock up until you get the misfortune of catching them with a competent FC and a few numbers on then you are going get WTFBBQ'd.

Worgen Fratmon
Minmatar
Instapop Industries
Posted - 2010.12.06 21:12:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Skex Relbore
SNIP


This is probably the best post I've read on these forums.

o7 RVB

o7 Eve-Uni

Andrea Griffin
Posted - 2010.12.06 22:26:00 - [37]
 

I sincerely hope the OP enjoys Death By A Thousand Griffins.

Declaring war on Eve University brings bad luck anyway. It will follow you throughout your entire Eve career, however short it may be.

Belfelmalak
Posted - 2010.12.07 01:03:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Belfelmalak on 07/12/2010 01:04:23
Edited by: Belfelmalak on 07/12/2010 01:03:51
Originally by: Skex Relbore
Edited by: Skex Relbore on 06/12/2010 20:02:44
Lots of awsome stuff
quote]

This was perhaps the best post I've ever read. RvB sounds like an old school gamer corp. One that is actually more interested in the actual fight than just griefing someone for the right to talk smack. Fantastic to know that there is something liike this and Eve-Univ out there

Seriously Bored
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.07 01:16:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Belfelmalak
This was perhaps the best post I've ever read. RvB sounds like an old school gamer corp. One that is actually more interested in the actual fight than just griefing someone for the right to talk smack. Fantastic to know that there is something liike this and Eve-Univ out there


I know. Shocked

If I didn't already have a corp full of people I really like, that post would have made me spam the application button the next time I logged on.

Jun Lin
Posted - 2010.12.07 11:20:00 - [40]
 

omg wardec a training corp for noobs ...
and then you realy have the nerv to start whining about it in the forums?!?

fail

Lady Shaniqua
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.12.07 14:33:00 - [41]
 

So you war dec a noob training corp then sit in a high sec trade hub complaining?

If you really actually wanted to fight eve uni then you know pretty much any time of the day you log in you'll find somesort of eve uni fleet on a training op in low sec.

Or is it not
Quote:
"more serious" PvP

if its not can flipping in Arnon or sitting at Dodixie Moon 20?

Azelor Delaria
Caldari
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Posted - 2010.12.07 17:10:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Lady Shaniqua
So you war dec a noob training corp then sit in a high sec trade hub complaining?

If you really actually wanted to fight eve uni then you know pretty much any time of the day you log in you'll find somesort of eve uni fleet on a training op in low sec.

Or is it not
Quote:
"more serious" PvP

if its not can flipping in Arnon or sitting at Dodixie Moon 20?


We frequently moved between Aldrat- their home system - and Dodixie more often than not. In fact, the only times we sat in Dodixie were if we were missioning, or if we were AFK.

The reason EVE University was decced was not because we were fighting a bunch of noobs. While that is a well-known byproduct and is what everyone assumes, the reason our corporation - Unfortunate Soldiers - war decced EVE university was because of the letter that was sent out to our sister corporation Nova Ardour. We were tired of travelling 20 jumps to hunt a war target that would dock up immediately upon seeing a red pop into system. An e-mail like that, coupled with a lot of reports of "Yeah, EVE Uni fights when war decced, they don't stay docked!" led us to believe that we would get some action.

Missions were grounded. All pilots were told no expensive ships, because we expected to lose ships against the supposed blobs of "50 to 200" ships. And we were okay with this. We just wanted a fight.

Every time we'd move up the pipe from Dodixie to Aldrat, we'd come across EVE uni players who would suddenyl run from their missions to instantly dock at the closest station. In Aldrat, we twice attacked their POS, putting several modules into structure before deciding that it was a boring endeavour and we would rather self-destruct our ships just so something would explode. Not once did they come to defend the POS. Had we come to kill it, I'm fairly certain we could have done a lot of damage before their balls dropped and they came to defend it.

The fact of the matter is, I joined a corporation that wants to PvP. What is PvP, then? More importantly, what is "serious PvP" since so many people here have taken pot shots at that statement in particular. Is it heading to 0.0, where capitals and supercapitals are dropped just because they can be? Is it low-sec where any form of real PvP will probably end up with you becoming a pirate?

I'm here to fight. I'm here to kill ships and lose them. Last I checked, that's PvP, not these preconceived notions of what is "real" PvP. Because at the end of the day, every person that says "null sec is real PvP" or "low sec is real PvP" will be met by more people who say "no".

EVE University's CEO sent out a letter that he currently admits is stock-form. He doesnt' change it, he simply sends it out when they are war decced. He promises a fight, but when push comes to shove they stay docked up because they are "noobs". You want to teach people to PvP, fine. But stop with this bullsh*t pre-arranged fights crap. RvB has the exact same thing. Only when they get war decced, they come out to fight, even if they have to blob.

Khegs
Agony Unleashed
Posted - 2010.12.07 17:49:00 - [43]
 

Funny, seeing E-Uni pilots docking up from missions when you enter system, seeing as if the Uni gets decced people who want to mission are allowed (encouraged even) to drop corp for the duration, and if you stay in corp you don't mission, mine or haul. Why hand out easy kills?

You seem to be under the misapprehension that the Uni is a PVP teaching corp, it isn't, it is a generalist training corp, and pvp is a small part of that, war decs get in the way of what the uni is about, so it tries to keep them as short as possible by denying the deccers fun (and cheap kills). And yeah, if the POS had been seriously under any threat you'd have got some kind of response other than meh.

What usually happens in a Uni war is that a fleet goes out, the war targets are nowhere to be found, or docked, and the fleet then goes and blobs the **** out of the poor innocent pirates in ramcer/oms/amamake/ardar/hado/tama etc. I am sure they usually have a good idea when the uni is at war because the uni fleets get bigger/more frequent.

Besides the pirates are usually more fun to fight and less full of themselves than the merc corp dudes who dec the uni.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2010.12.07 19:10:00 - [44]
 

I think you miss the fact that EVE-U is a teaching institution not a PVP institution.

RVB will fight you because that's what we do. Admittedly many of our pilots are wusses who won't undock unless they have a fleet to join (a byproduct of our open recruitment policy) but then again I'm not going to try and engage war targets who tend to bring 2 neutral support ships for every combat craft on "even" terms either. Plus we're not generally set up for that kind of combat lacking dedicate logi and ECM pilots (our membership is too fluid to work stuff like that out)

EVE U is similar save that a significant number of their members aren't going to be interested in PVP at all. They are almost universally new (they can only stay "Members" until they are 3 months old after all)

Their leadership like the rest of us will have real life jobs and as such won't always be available to organize against you.

Further unless you are really disrupting their operations you just aren't going to be worth the time to mess with.

Hell we'll often pretty much ignore War targets ourselves when we know they'll just dock up the first sign of a credible force.

As I said you and your leadership obviously didn't understand the nature of corp you decided to dec.

What I find funny is that here you are crying that they haven't engaged you in massive blobs yet I'm fairly certain that had they done so you'd be here crying about that too.

Further as I understand it EVE-U is cluster spanning as in they aren't all congregated at their HQ system. but rather are spread all around EVE. And it's likely you simply aren't enough of a nuisance enough to bother going through the organizational and logistical pain of gathering a significant force when they can be reasonably certain that like most high sec griefer corps you will dock up the second you are facing anything close to even odds.

When you dec something like EVE-U you aren't dealing with a typical EVE corp. You are dealing with an institution that has other interests than ISK making or sov holding or any of that crap.

Now I'm not a EVE-U alum I was passed the max age by the time I learned of them. But I've got a lot of respect for that they do. EVE has a rather brutal learning curve and anything that helps people get acclimatized so that they can grow up into targets is a good thing.

People like yourself get no respect for deccing them because you are ignoring all the others in the cluster who would be more than happy to blow you up. Instead targeting a corporation that is by definition mainly new players thinking you would be getting easy kills. Then when it doesn't happen you come here and cry about it.

I do love gankbear tears though so keep whining.


Kelduum Revaan
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2010.12.07 20:25:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Azelor Delaria
The reason EVE University was decced was ... because of the letter that was sent out to our sister corporation Nova Ardour.
Minimum time a corp to wardec*: 24-25 hours
'Welcome' EveMail Sent: 2010.11.27 17:54
Wardec Vote Actioned: 2010.11.28 08:44
Difference: 14 hours 50 minutes

Mr. Delaria, would you care to revise your statement?


Also, while I'm here, quick clarification for the guys that mentioned it - E-UNI doesn't have any hard "you can only stay in the corp for X months" rules, and similarly we don't have any maximum character age limits, and each application is reviewed individually.


* ie: Propose, vote, and action. The leeway depends on billing/vote cycle time, which is the same reason that it takes a little over 24 hours after applying to an alliance before you actually join, as well as why 'unpaid' wardec notifications, bills and so on are sent out a little late.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2010.12.07 20:40:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Kelduum Revaan

Also, while I'm here, quick clarification for the guys that mentioned it - E-UNI doesn't have any hard "you can only stay in the corp for X months" rules, and similarly we don't have any maximum character age limits, and each application is reviewed individually.




My bad I was told back last year when I looked into EVE-U that after the 3 month period I could only join as an instructor (which seemed somewhat pointless when I really didn't know anything about EVE) have you revised your policies or did I just misunderstand at the time?

Either way keep up the good work.


Azelor Delaria
Caldari
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Posted - 2010.12.07 21:03:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Kelduum Revaan
Originally by: Azelor Delaria
The reason EVE University was decced was ... because of the letter that was sent out to our sister corporation Nova Ardour.
Minimum time a corp to wardec*: 24-25 hours
'Welcome' EveMail Sent: 2010.11.27 17:54
Wardec Vote Actioned: 2010.11.28 08:44
Difference: 14 hours 50 minutes

Mr. Delaria, would you care to revise your statement?


Also, while I'm here, quick clarification for the guys that mentioned it - E-UNI doesn't have any hard "you can only stay in the corp for X months" rules, and similarly we don't have any maximum character age limits, and each application is reviewed individually.


* ie: Propose, vote, and action. The leeway depends on billing/vote cycle time, which is the same reason that it takes a little over 24 hours after applying to an alliance before you actually join, as well as why 'unpaid' wardec notifications, bills and so on are sent out a little late.


No, I don't. Simply because the war was declared in under 24-hours does not mean the corporation was set to actually commit to helping NA. There's a few wars they have done where we have voted on the dec, but not gone through either because NA asks us not to, or we find juicier targets.

However, try as you might, you can't hide from the fact you wrote a check your arse couldn't cash. You sent out a letter telling Nova to "expect" the blobs, to "expect" the ECM and kamikaze T1 frigates. In the end, it was all talk.

EVE uni goes out to blob pirates only because it's not hard. Use one ship as bait, and hope the pirates engage on station or gate. Let teh gate guns help out, and the rest of the blob is on them. In high sec, they don't have that luxury. Their war targets can play the same games they can. For lack of a better term, it makes the actual fight fair, in-that both sides have the same tricks to play. EVE Uni simply has numbers, nothing more.

What I find amusing is that you are saying that you are a teaching establishment. That's great. The only factor I have seen in this game that requires any actual teaching is PvP. Missioning isn't hard. Industry isn't hard (then again, I'm going on second-hand information here; I have industrial skills, but I don't use them. :P). PvP requires actual thinking. It requires you to actually be proactive. A carebear can be reactive all they want in missions, because the AI has a set programming and finite responses, most of which can probably be calculated rather easily. If your "students" need help learning missions, point them to World of Warcraft.

In short, the letter you sent out is what caused the dec that was voted upon to go to the declared stage. None of us give a damn at the fact that we were threatened with blobs. They didn't frighten us. We adapt and overcome, like any good military entity. The most we saw was a 17-man gang composed mostly of frigates with three battlecruisers, one battleship, and two Blackbirds that hovered 300 kilometers over Dodixie Moon 20 station, aligned to the Vylade gate. As soon as anyone moved towards them they were gone.

You have no leg to stand on. Your own Wiki article touts the "wars" you've made some kind of major contribution in. You tout the fact that the EVE community fully supported you guys in two of the wars, with one competent FC joining to help you. In the end, however, you'll dock up when no one is willing to lead.

You want to teach people, you lead by example. You stayed docked up, so what should anyone expect of your troops? A leader who preaches courage but practices cowardice is not a leader. From now on, don't send out that silly little letter to people, because it makes you look like an ass. Your troops will lose ships. You'll happily spin them. And we proved that much.

Oh, and one more thing. If any of your troops want to learn to PvP, point them to another corporation. You apparently can't do it.

Marz Ghola
Minmatar
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2010.12.07 21:08:00 - [48]
 

The fleets you claim not to see are flying around the area's where I live in low sec, every day. When that happens in the Uni, it means they are bored with their war-dec WT's. So that probably means you are not telling the full story.

Years of these identical posts from seemingly the same type of person. They think that the eve community will be chomping at the bit to LOL with them over their seeming superiority in pvp. One look at their KB shows (besides sucking) they do the same thing everyone else in eve does...BLOB, as seen here:

Quendishir the Dragon Slayer

Yet you posted anyway and now the community (which consists of piles of people who are former Uni students, myself included) is p!ssing in your face. This is part of the "curse" which Kelduum speaks of. This led one (former) prominent group of "leet" pvp'ers to proclaim in local after an embarrassing loss of an entire RR BS fleet, the following: "We will regret this war-dec for the rest of our eve careers". It is true though, the majority of the Uni's who died in that battle shot the gate, instead of the targets, went flashy and were promptly shot dead by other Uni's and concord, but that is besides the point.

The point is, no amount of chest beating over not getting "GF" against the uni will ever gain you sympathy or support from the eve community. On the contrary, it is an embarrassing situation that idiot corps put themselves into as a last gasp to try to get some steam going in a corp that is dead, or near dead. The purpose of such a tactic is to generate motivation to get lazy pilots to simply log in and keep them interested in a corp which lacks direction, purpose and intestinal fortitude.

You corp can go die now, quietlyLaughing






Azelor Delaria
Caldari
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming
Posted - 2010.12.07 21:08:00 - [49]
 

DOUBLE POAST OMG! ((I went to the character maximum last post... <.<))

I have nothing against EVE University. I think what they do is a great idea, and I support it. With that being said, support from a community can only be maintained when you warrant it. The only reason I am critical is because if you keep it up with that stupid letter, you will see more war decs. I don't give a damn if I lose ships. I'm PvPing, I fully anticipate that I will lose them. I still bring out Lokis and Nightmares because, quite frankly, it's what I like to fly. You reimburse your members' ships for free. Why are you so worried about them losing the ships?

And if it seriously is because of killboard stats, then yeah. Keep sending out that killmail. I can promise you're going to one day get a corporation or alliance that sees it and keeps a war going for months at a time. The only reason we dropped the war dec was because we found another target who wanted to play (no really, they told us to war dec them) and you just happened to be the least active target, even when you outnumber us apparently almost 50-to-1, if not more.

Anazzar
Posted - 2010.12.07 21:45:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Azelor Delaria
DOUBLE POAST OMG! ((I went to the character maximum last post... <.<))

I have nothing against EVE University. I think what they do is a great idea, and I support it. With that being said, support from a community can only be maintained when you warrant it. The only reason I am critical is because if you keep it up with that stupid letter, you will see more war decs. I don't give a damn if I lose ships. I'm PvPing, I fully anticipate that I will lose them. I still bring out Lokis and Nightmares because, quite frankly, it's what I like to fly. You reimburse your members' ships for free. Why are you so worried about them losing the ships?

And if it seriously is because of killboard stats, then yeah. Keep sending out that killmail. I can promise you're going to one day get a corporation or alliance that sees it and keeps a war going for months at a time. The only reason we dropped the war dec was because we found another target who wanted to play (no really, they told us to war dec them) and you just happened to be the least active target, even when you outnumber us apparently almost 50-to-1, if not more.



Your "promise" of other corporations retaliating does not seem to reflect the attitude of every other post in this thread, which is mostly negative towards your corp, not eve-u.

Maybe if you actualy read other posts instead of boasting about your "I dont care if I live or die" pvp skills, you might understand why.


Soporo
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.08 00:08:00 - [51]
 

Deja Vu, Thread delivers.

Having been here some years and watching the forums most of that time: Objectively speaking, Deccing EU/Ivy and compounding it with forum whingage seems to be almost always a poor choice on multiple levels.

Patri Andari
Caldari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
Posted - 2010.12.08 00:27:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Azelor Delaria
DOUBLE POAST OMG! ((I went to the character maximum last post... <.<))

I have nothing against EVE University. I think what they do is a great idea, and I support it. With that being said, support from a community can only be maintained when you warrant it. The only reason I am critical is because if you keep it up with that stupid letter, you will see more war decs. I don't give a damn if I lose ships. I'm PvPing, I fully anticipate that I will lose them. I still bring out Lokis and Nightmares because, quite frankly, it's what I like to fly. You reimburse your members' ships for free. Why are you so worried about them losing the ships?

And if it seriously is because of killboard stats, then yeah. Keep sending out that killmail. I can promise you're going to one day get a corporation or alliance that sees it and keeps a war going for months at a time. The only reason we dropped the war dec was because we found another target who wanted to play (no really, they told us to war dec them) and you just happened to be the least active target, even when you outnumber us apparently almost 50-to-1, if not more.


I do not speak for Eve University, but I know about their tactics. They do not want to engage you on your terms and if they do engage, their purpose is to make you go away.

Eve University is not primarily a PVP organization nor are they advertised as such. War declarations interfere with their primary mission of training noobs about all facets of the game.

Do your research. You will get few easy ganks (those running missions or mining during a war) as most idiots are killed by officers in corp to avoid the loss mails. You may at times not even get a fight despite their high active member count and the form letter you get. When you do get a fight it will most likely be vs. high numbers that include many fit for tackle and EWAR.

In effect, when going to war with with Eve University expect a highly disciplined group that will do all they can to make the experience as un-fun as possible for you.

It is an excellent model imho.

Now DIE?







Samjack2
Posted - 2010.12.08 00:58:00 - [53]
 

/me looks behind the moon

I may be a member of the departed but I refuse to let this thread continue without saying this:
Ubercado Sucks
Korr'Tanas is awsome
Kel is somewhere in middle
Done...
Anyway
The university dose tend to blob it up however they are active. Almost 24/7 they will have a PvP fleet going because at last count I would say close to 40-60 member in the recruitment queue which meens they are in no short supply. Also Kelldums numbers are wrong.

50% noobs
30% trials or AFK
20% 2+ years experianced vets. (yes the Ivy leauge navy dose have some pilots that can field big ships)

So *****ing about the UNI not giving u a fight is like saying you can't seem to poke the hornets nest enough to get them to come out...
My advice:
1. Go to Beefporkpork
2. Sit on the gate
3. ???????
4. PROFIT

Mutant Caldari
Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2010.12.08 01:58:00 - [54]
 

Quen, please stop being bad. You actually make Hidden Snake and the Caldari seem competent. Neutral

Luminos
Durid is 4 Fite
Posted - 2010.12.08 03:10:00 - [55]
 

You know, I had always thought the really ******ed ones just couldn't be bothered to leave SWA. Apparently if you aren't smart enough to keep up with SWARTA chat you go and join a
Originally by: Quite possibly the dumbest man alive
"more serious" PvP corporation for some alliance PvP
The stupid burns so bright I think I need sunglasses.

Fat Buddah
Posted - 2010.12.08 09:03:00 - [56]
 

In this war, Eve University is succeeding in their objective; i.e.: protecting their members and teaching them how to avoid sure-to-lose fights.

What have you achieved so far?

Dimitryy
Gallente
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
Posted - 2010.12.08 11:15:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Quendishir


Recently I joined a "more serious" PvP corporation.

The corporation I joined had just war decced Eve University when I arrived.


Oh lawd


Cato Dregg
Gallente
Blueprint Haus
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2010.12.08 15:15:00 - [58]
 

So silly.

Target Painter
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.08 15:48:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Quendishir
Recently I joined a "more serious" PvP corporation for some alliance PvP...


No, you did not.

Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Open University of Celestial Hardship
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:02:00 - [60]
 

Advice to OP: go pick a fight with someone your own size, rather than someone you know will make your life either a) miserably painful in the form of EWar-laden lossmails and/or b) miserably boring in the form of denying you easy kills on defenseless WTs.


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