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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2010.12.03 15:43:00 - [1]
 

Is there a story behind why we call certain NPCs rats?

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.03 15:44:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 03/12/2010 15:44:41
Pirates
Pirats
Rats


stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.03 15:46:00 - [3]
 

Plus, the very first NPC a newbie kills in any MMO is always a rat.


Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2010.12.03 15:46:00 - [4]
 

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah, now I remember.

Thanks princess

roid princess
Posted - 2010.12.03 16:44:00 - [5]
 

Because everyone knows pirates love cheese and whine...

Apocryphon
Minmatar
InterSun Freelance
The Forsaken.
Posted - 2010.12.03 16:46:00 - [6]
 

I believe it is also a humorous reference to the well used MMORPG/RPG game mechanic of going out and grinding rats for exp.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2010.12.03 16:49:00 - [7]
 

Really Atrocious Tactics

Because the AI is crap

True story

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2010.12.03 17:06:00 - [8]
 

When you stepped out of the city gates of Freeport, the first thing you usually killed was a rat.

Of course my first encounter with a mob (mobile object) in a MMO was when my character walked off the platform in Kelethin and after plummeting to his death (screwy gamma settings) respawned next to an orc pawn which resulted in his second death seconds later and since said orc was sitting on the respawn this resulted in a nasty little death loop until I managed to figure out how to run to a nearby guard.

But in general grinding rats was one of the earliest MMO tropes. Low level characters go around killing rats. Then usually as you advanced you found larger and larger rats to kill.

In the end the only real difference from one mob to another was their HP and damage output ergo you go grind rats.


Bhattran
Posted - 2010.12.03 17:51:00 - [9]
 

Cause you go kill them and we can't call them pirates cause that term is used for the 'majority' of eve's pew pew spaceship killers and that would get confusing also cause they are dumb as ****.

Forum Guy
Posted - 2010.12.03 17:55:00 - [10]
 

Because rats are vermin and lets face it most pirates are vermin too.

Faxenus
Posted - 2010.12.03 17:56:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Skex Relbore


EQ




omg gfay was so damn dark.

so dark.

the orcs.. they are coming.

Sinister Dextor
Posted - 2010.12.03 18:04:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 03/12/2010 15:44:41
Pirates
Pirats
Rats




NOT this, this is people who don't know trying to guess. It's solely from the MMO task for noobs of 'Kill 10 rats'

Angeltara
Sinners.
Burn Away
Posted - 2010.12.03 18:37:00 - [13]
 

Because 'mice' does not sound as scary...or dangerous.


Jovialmadness
Posted - 2010.12.03 20:32:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Jovialmadness on 03/12/2010 20:46:34
Yes there is a story behind the term "rats".

About 6 years ago we all called the "rats" "computer generated non player controlled isk providing belt located combat entities or CGNPCIPBLCE for short. Some new guy heard this and said, "rats, thats too much to say!".


The rest is history as they say.

Dicks Hurrdurr
Posted - 2010.12.03 20:38:00 - [15]
 

It's mysterious, the reason for this! It may be nobody knows. Everyone seems to have their own version.

But the most obvious reason, is to differentiate between players engaging in piracy (pirates) and NPC entities that are part of NPC pirate corps, who prowl the belts to provide targets for PvE'ers, and harass AKF miners. (rats)

The 'Really Atrocious Tactics" one might be true too, as the rats, like most/all NPCs, attack by using the 'approach' command and will fly straight towards you, making kiting them dead simple. (just 'keep at range' just slightly outside their guns range and peck them to death.)

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2010.12.03 20:43:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: ****s Hurrdurr
It's mysterious, the reason for this! It may be nobody knows. Everyone seems to have their own version.

But the most obvious reason, is to differentiate between players engaging in piracy (pirates) and NPC entities that are part of NPC pirate corps, who prowl the belts to provide targets for PvE'ers, and harass AKF miners. (rats)




This is probably the closest to being true.

Xrst
Posted - 2010.12.03 20:55:00 - [17]
 

Why is a NPC Pirate called a Rat?
But a player Rat is called a Pirate?
Shocked

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2010.12.03 21:54:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: ****s Hurrdurr
It's mysterious, the reason for this! It may be nobody knows. Everyone seems to have their own version.

But the most obvious reason, is to differentiate between players engaging in piracy (pirates) and NPC entities that are part of NPC pirate corps, who prowl the belts to provide targets for PvE'ers, and harass AKF miners. (rats)




This is probably the closest to being true.


Why do people keep making **** up?

We've told you the answer it's an MMO trope. In MMO's you kill rats you kill small rats you large kill rats you kill giant rats you kill undead rats you kill clockwork rats you kill divine rats.

There is no other reason to it.

It isn't mysterious it's just that some people are stupid.

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2010.12.03 21:58:00 - [19]
 

Rat is a term used to differ between a player pirate and a Non Player Character pirate.

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2010.12.03 22:06:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Syn Callibri on 03/12/2010 22:06:40
Originally by: Chribba
Rat is a term used to differ between a player pirate and a Non Player Character pirate.


EVERYONE SHUT UP...Chribba has spoken. Twisted Evil


Baneken
Gallente
The New Knighthood
Apocalypse Now.
Posted - 2010.12.03 22:15:00 - [21]
 

Yes because we have råtta and a pirate which are two different things in this game, usually rats were referred as ones lurking about the asteroid fields.

Kezzle
Posted - 2010.12.03 22:55:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Kezzle on 03/12/2010 22:56:24
Originally by: stoicfaux
Plus, the very first NPC a newbie killed in any first gen MMO was always a rat.




Fixed.

Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
Posted - 2010.12.03 23:04:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Krathos Morpheus on 04/12/2010 00:34:35
Both can be true, rats are called that to differenciate from player pirates and the term could come from low level players hunting rats in other games. Every other "reason" is made on the fly to look smart.

Edit: Check out my next post to solve the mistery :O

Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
Posted - 2010.12.04 00:43:00 - [24]
 

I've done a little research and come with interesting results from 2003 on the first times the term was used:


Eve: Not bad at all
2003.07.04 - We find rats were called NPC Pirates at the begining:
Quote:
"I've joined a nice little Corp and am happily blowing up NPC pirates"
"go "coo thats all glowing and er.. stuff. and look, more of the same NPC pirates that drop the same garbage""
"Please change your future advertisements to not include PvP, Pirating, or anything related to combat except for Player vs NPC Pirates"


How CCP _COULD_ have resolved m0o issues
2003.06.08 - Players killing other people in low sec are called Pirates:
Quote:
"We spoke to a GM about what we were doing and he said he liked to see an actual pirate corp taking over"
"Also it was unreasonable that a 0.4 system was so easily taken over by pirates"


Sentry guns at gates on chaos - info

2003.06.09 - NPC and PC Pirates reference and the first rat reference made to a PC pirate! Shocked
Quote:
"There are still npc pirates at the gates, and i had to shoot em myself, the guns didnt interfere, which is a strange situation, cause maybe pc pirates wont be able to conduct business there, but npc ones."
"you need to work with a friend in a different corp to test this, or find a "friendly" PC 'rat to start shooting you near the guns"


Gang targeting ...
2003.06.24 - Here we find the first record of NPC being called rats, but it seems as an interchangeable term for pirates:
Quote:
"your gang is in 0.0 space and aproach 4-5 heavy pirates ..."
"found it quite difficult to explain over our voice communictions which rat to target first"


-= Syndicate Citizens Unite! =-

2003.06.26 - A clear example of how the term is abreviatted:
Quote:
"A Pie-rat PC Corp named 'The Gang' is taking up operations in The Syndicate. As a small Corp struggling in the outer regions, I can ill-afford thier 'donations'."


To Solo and enjoy...
2003.06.28 - Another example of PC Pirates called rats:
Quote:
"People will play the game how they see fit, not how other people tell them how to play it. After all its the respectable folk who make this game work, no the pc rat types."


So we can conclude that the term definitely came from abbreviating Pirates, very embarrasing for Skex Relbore, who attacked so vehemently those people who "keep making **** up"! Unless new evidence comes, it is clear that the term comes from pirate - pie rat - 'rat - rat and it was applied to both PC and NPC pirates on the begining, when was the term become attached to NPC rats only to differentiate them from players is another story, probably related with times when pirates were more accepted than the times from where the term comes from.

Komen
Gallente
Capital Enrichment Services
Posted - 2010.12.04 01:13:00 - [25]
 

I found this thread more interesting than I thought i would.

As an '04 player, I seem to remember using the terms 'belt-rat' as distinguished from 'mish-rats' (mission NPCs) and 'gate-rat' and pirate, which was (in my corp, anyway) solely meant for player pirates. I'm not going to swear to this, however. It was a long time ago and frankly, anyone getting upset about this subject is lolretentive.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2010.12.04 01:38:00 - [26]
 

oh ffs


Quote:
1. ratting

Ratting: killing of NPCsin MMORPGsfor loot. Rats are the common first enemy in many RPGs and have become synonymous with easy kills for in-game gold or rewards. Therefore, rats are any NPC character or enemy that is to be killed simply for loot.
Lets get the group together and go ratting.. I want to see what the guys in this zone drop as a reward.

I was ratting in a new zone and a high level player jumped me.
rat npc loot rpg mmorpg
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svetlana
Constellation Guard
Posted - 2010.12.04 02:11:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Sinister Dextor
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 03/12/2010 15:44:41
Pirates
Pirats
Rats




NOT this, this is people who don't know trying to guess. It's solely from the MMO task for noobs of 'Kill 10 rats'


not quite true.

from release in 2003 many of us in EVE were calling pirates 'rats' for short, and sometimes would distinguish between player rats or npc rats.
The fact that in many MMO's you kill actual rats to gain exp and that it has become a general sort of definition makes it even more applicable here and it works either way.

both ways are correct in EVE, since both methods of reference were legitimately used by players at the beginning of this game regardless of outside definitions, personal preference or developer intent.

personally in EVE I've always used rats as short piRATS. In other MMO's I've played i actually don't even use that term when i really am killing rats lol, that's just grinding.


Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
Posted - 2010.12.05 01:44:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Skex Relbore
oh ffs


Quote:
1. ratting

Ratting: killing of NPCsin MMORPGsfor loot. Rats are the common first enemy in many RPGs and have become synonymous with easy kills for in-game gold or rewards. Therefore, rats are any NPC character or enemy that is to be killed simply for loot.
Lets get the group together and go ratting.. I want to see what the guys in this zone drop as a reward.

I was ratting in a new zone and a high level player jumped me.
rat npc loot rpg mmorpg
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It doesn't matter, player pirates were called rats at the begining, so other games' terminology doesn't apply here, given that players are not NPCs (at least not in the origin of the word, nowadays the term is most probably interchangeable for the newcomers). It's the same as corps vs guilds, the spacial environment doesn't cope with the fantasy world that is normally assumed in mmorpgs and that certainly is assumed in the definition on that same site that wouldn't include EVE as mmorpg because it doesnt't interacts "with other fantasy things such as fire demons and aqua fairies". Think for yourself, don't blindly trust the internet.

Nuniki
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.12.05 02:16:00 - [29]
 

Pie"rat"e

^^

OhNoes1
Posted - 2010.12.05 05:42:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Nuniki
Pie"rat"e

^^

Should have called them "pies" instead. mmmmmm pie


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