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frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:09:00 - [1]
 

Ok everyone, I have decided to take your advice and try and counter ECM head on! I'm thinking about starting a second account purely to help my main deal with ECM. I'd ideally want it ready by about 2-3 months, and to be as low maintenance as possible, anything that is easy to dualbox and simple to fly is great.

I've been thinking of the following.

Anti-Falcon Falcon alt. Fitted with Caldari ECM, to counter any other jamming ships that decloak, I can also use it to jam other people and make them ragequit fairly well too, and since the majority of PvP ships I seem to run into are caldari (Drake, Raven, Onyx, Rook, Cerberus etc.) seems like it would be pretty handy outside of non-jamming scenarios too. I might tweak the jammer ratio on it a bit, like 3 caldari 2 minmatar, since they also seem to be common as muck.

Scimitar/Onieros with Remote ECCM. I struggle to find a good fit which has a decent buffer, enough eccm on itself and enough remote eccm on me to prevent lolecmragequit. On the positive side though, probably more useful than the Falcon alt in a lot more scenarios.

Those are the ideas I've come up with. If you guys have any better ideas, or point me out to what fits and alt I should train to avoid ECM (but also be handy to me, and low dualboxing stress, I'd love to hear from you)

William Cooly
Sol Enterprises
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:11:00 - [2]
 

I'm tempted to start the replies of "Not this **** again" from the get go, but I for one am giving you a chance here.

Do not disappoint me, frog0ut.

Sig Sour
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:14:00 - [3]
 

ECCM, sensor strength implants, the high sensor strength of all recons, T3's with sensor strength sub systems, FOF's, drones, and you still can't figure out how to deal with a falcon?

lolyou
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:18:00 - [4]
 

ECCM Alt

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:18:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Sig Sour
ECCM, sensor strength implants, the high sensor strength of all recons, T3's with sensor strength sub systems, FOF's, drones, and you still can't figure out how to deal with a falcon?


Thanks for your reply. I'm looking for an alt specifically to counter ECM. I do not like flying expensive Recon and T3 ships to counter it, I have a set of low-grade Spurs already, which were suprisingly cheap (80mil), but obviously isn't really enough to permit me to solo in my Myrmidon and Vexor. If you're just going to spam generic "lolol bro fit eccm" then please do not bother replying.

Thanks.

Rian O'Shea
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:19:00 - [6]
 

[Caracal, Anti-Falcon]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Passive Targeter II
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile

Medium Ionic Field Projector I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I




frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:23:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Rian O'Shea
[Caracal, Anti-Falcon]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Passive Targeter II
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile

Medium Ionic Field Projector I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I






That looks really good for a cheap middle finger to ECM. Nice. Is the passive targeter useful? Might be more efficient just to throw another ECCM there

Rian O'Shea
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:28:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Rian O''Shea on 03/12/2010 02:30:11
he won't notice you targeted him, can be handy if you have someone warp into him as he can't cloak now. If you're in a small gang a Caracal isn't normally seen as a problem so they'll jam other stuff first but if you want to be sure, 2nd ECCM is certainly logical.

Also, use thunderbolts: First of all it works better against his overall resists and also because of zero EM resists on shield his shields will drop like a rock, freaking him out and making him bugger off.

Sig Sour
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:29:00 - [9]
 

Try a vexor with a sensor damp. Dampen the failcans targeting range before he jams you, but something tells me you aren't that quick.

Rian O'Shea
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:32:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Rian O''Shea on 03/12/2010 02:33:55
Originally by: Sig Sour
Try a vexor with a sensor damp. Dampen the failcans targeting range before he jams you, but something tells me you aren't that quick.


1 RSD with max skills get a falcon down to 90+km targeting range. Most falcons operate around 70km, not exactly useful. You'll need 2 to make it happen.

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:35:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Sig Sour
Try a vexor with a sensor damp. Dampen the failcans targeting range before he jams you, but something tells me you aren't that quick.


My Vexor has 3 mid slots, I currently fit a micro warpdrive, a stasis web and a warp scrambler, none of those modules are debatable in my opinion. Hence why I am adapting by getting my own alt, additionally, a sensor dampener uses a lot of a cap (I don't have an injector, have a mwd fit, and blasters, so I don't have a means of topping myself back up), also, many ecm ships like blackbirds and falcons often engage outside my ships locking range which is just short of 60km.

A Falcon and Blackbird within 50km (i.e. damp range) would still be able to target me regardless of being damped or not. I'd sooner fit an ECCM there than a Sensor Damp, because its quite frankly a waste of a slot.

You are off topic anyway. I'm here, posting about what the best counter-ECM alt would be for me, saying I'm dumb for not countering it in a 3 mid slot ship which is solo is off-topic and incredibly ignorant.

Sig Sour
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:36:00 - [12]
 

Then use two. IDK why thy guy expects to be able to beat a T2 cruiser in a T1 cruiser.

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:39:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Sig Sour
Then use two. IDK why thy guy expects to be able to beat a T2 cruiser in a T1 cruiser.


I don't *want* to beat a t2 cruiser in a t1 cruiser, I *want* to be able to counter ECM to the best I can, with an alt. Hence the thread title. If I fit a second damp, I have no mwd, or no point, which is completely unacceptable for solo. It also doesn't do anything for the main problem which is falcons and blackbirds usually engage outside the locking range of my myrm and vexor.

Please leave my thread if you're going to ignore the OP entirely and just post trash advice here.

Sig Sour
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:43:00 - [14]
 

You know exactly how to counter it, you just refuse to accept it and keep complaining like those options aren't out there.

WTB: frogOut's API, evemail me to talk price if you got it.

Tyber Zaan
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:45:00 - [15]
 

As your question about the passive targeter, it only removes the yellow brackets visible to the other person when you target them, so no, its not much use.

As for an alt, the best way to counter the mid-size recons is a small, fast ship fitted with ECCM. Possibly an Assault frigate.

In all honesty, solo pvp is dead at the moment, so its best to bring some other people with you so the ECM ships cannot jam all of you at once.

Tyber Zaan
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:46:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Sig Sour
You know exactly how to counter it, you just refuse to accept it and keep complaining like those options aren't out there.

WTB: frogOut's API, evemail me to talk price if you got it.


Sig, I think you are being too antagonistic. Let him take feedback instead of flaming him.

Aessoroz
Nohbdy.
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:48:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Aessoroz on 03/12/2010 02:48:19
jesus christ, where the heck do you people pvp to encounter this many falcons, i haven't seen a single falcon for 3 months, maybe a rook or two but still

Sig Sour
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:49:00 - [18]
 

Is he really to dumb to figure out that fitting a crow with fof's and burning out to the thing will scare it off?

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:53:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Sig Sour
You know exactly how to counter it, you just refuse to accept it and keep complaining like those options aren't out there.

WTB: frogOut's API, evemail me to talk price if you got it.


I've told you why Remote Sensor Dampeners are an unfit counter for me, in a Vexor/Myrmidon, against ECM ships. You don't respond to my points at all, you just flame me, or post more unhelpful advice like "lol then fit 2 RSDs to your Vexor noob" without even considering the points I made, the fact that I'm solo so MWD and point are mandatory, and my max targeting range, my capacitor, or anything. You have not retorted with anything but more flaming. ECCM would be a better counter than RSBs as far as I am concerned, however, it is not something that I personally can afford on the ships that I fly. I usually fly blaster fitted drone boats (hence why losing a web is a *big* deal as it is). This is why I'm adapting, because I want to keep flying what I'm flying now since I enjoy high DPS ships.

You're claiming I don't want to counter it. But if you even bothered to read my thread instead of just vomiting whatever generic ineffective counter that comes to mind, you'd actually find that I'm looking for an alt so that I *can* counter ECM.

Thrasymachus TheSophist
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:57:00 - [20]
 

You have a 2v2 and you're concerned that one of the other side's ships are a Falcon?

Rock/Paper/Scissors, as always ....

1. Sniper.
2. Inty.
3. Drone boat.
4. ECCM.

Those are your counters. Any one of those will force a Falcon off the field.

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.03 02:57:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Sig Sour
Is he really to dumb to figure out that fitting a crow with fof's and burning out to the thing will scare it off?


A Crow with friend or foe missiles will take over a minute to kill an UNFITTED Falcon or Blackbird. Secondly, I want to keep flying the ships I'm flying, and not switch to a Caldari interceptor. I've never really had a problem with ECM in an Interceptor anyway, since if you're scrammed and an ECM ship appears, you're ****ed anyway since you won't be able to get to him, most of the time (providing you warp to a planet, or bait a fight away from their gang, you and they are dead before the blob arrives in most frigate fights). Please read my OP or leave the thread.

Sig Sour
Posted - 2010.12.03 03:03:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: frog0ut
vomiting whatever generic ineffective counter that comes to mind...

I bolded the part proving that you don't listen. The generic counters that I vomit do work.

If you played the game instead of forum whoring about a vexor you lost to a fleet that had a falcon with it 3 weeks ago, you might find out that failcan pilots run when they cant cloak.

Sig Sour
Posted - 2010.12.03 03:13:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: frog0ut
A Crow with friend or foe missiles will take over a minute to kill an UNFITTED Falcon or Blackbird. Secondly, I want to keep flying the ships I'm flying, and not switch to a Caldari interceptor. I've never really had a problem with ECM in an Interceptor anyway, since if you're scrammed and an ECM ship appears, you're ****ed anyway since you won't be able to get to him, most of the time (providing you warp to a planet, or bait a fight away from their gang, you and they are dead before the blob arrives in most frigate fights). Please read my OP or leave the thread.

Falcons leave if anything gets near them. Play the game more and you would figure that out. Anything fast can get you a warp in. You say you want to counter a failcon (t2) in the ship you are flying now (t1), but you dont expect T1 to beat T2, but you dont want to fly T2, but you want to solo, but you want to create a new alt for it, but again you want to stay in the ships (*note that you imply you already have the alt) you are in now... You want to make up your mind?

Who is your main? I want to come play eve with you.

Misanthra
Posted - 2010.12.03 03:48:00 - [24]
 

t3 command sub'd alt with lots of sensor integrity links. Throw in remote eccm for added boosts.


Maybe stop hitting the same gate camp could go along way too lol. You seem to be hitting a pro one (well not a bunch of lazy disco ballers anyway).

Not aggressing falcons helps too lol. Me, some ships....live and let live my motto for solo. I for example only needed to meet a bait arazu once solo. Learned after that...an uncloaked recon sitting around to be found...is uncloaked for a reason lol. First came the sensor damp, then came the local spike, then came the ass whooping. One was a falcon...he was the least of my problems though. 7 sb's using me for target practice was the more pressing issue.

Brian Ballsack
Posted - 2010.12.03 04:24:00 - [25]
 

i think you would be best with a miner/jewelcrafter

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.03 05:35:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Brian Ballsack
i think you would be best with a miner/jewelcrafter


I think you would be best to not keep posting trolling replies and personal attacks in every thread I make. If you continue, I will report you for harrassment and trolling. Consider yourself warned. You seem pretty upset that people are trying to adapt to ECM, Seems like someone doesn't want his win button countered.

As for the ECCM ganglink, only one can be active at any one time, and even on maxed out proteus (42% ECCM) it's not even a Sensor Backup Array worth of strength. I don't think it's worth going specifcally for a ECCM gang boosting alt, but you may be on to something there. Would be handy if I could fit one of those on a anti-ECM tengu/drake or something.

Jenny Jihad
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
Posted - 2010.12.03 05:39:00 - [27]
 

How many times did that Falcon pilot kill you?


frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.03 05:53:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Jenny Jihad
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! :((((( people are trying to counter my win-button, this makes me SO MAD. IM GOING TO GO TROLL AND PERSONALLY ATTACK THE OP OF SEVERAL DIFFERENT ECM THREADS.



William Cooly
Sol Enterprises
Posted - 2010.12.03 06:02:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: William Cooly
Do not disappoint me, frog0ut.


Also, same to you, eve forums.

Yes, I'm looking at you, person intending to troll OP for first non-whine thread about ECM he's made.

Actually just asking for a viable counter now, hlysht, let's all troll him.

All of you ignorant excuses for humans, get out.

Jenny Jihad
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
Posted - 2010.12.03 06:05:00 - [30]
 

so a lot then


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