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Ivan Tesla
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.01.02 01:33:00 - [331]
 

Edited by: Ivan Tesla on 02/01/2011 01:45:18
Originally by: Guy Ferox
Originally by: Ivan Tesla
Does anyone have a screen shot of the rules that were displayed on the front page of the contest? I'm having a bit of a flamefest on general CCP Starship contest... CCP couldn't run a tap of water if it tried

Anyway, I seem to remember CCP kept certain rules from the first contest (things like displaying ship length, don't display EVE Online logos etc) but that is no long displayed on the first page anymore and the link to the rules doesn't have it (anymore or it wasn't in the official rules??)

I'm too annoyed and aggro right now - its amazing, I haven't been this annoyed since I lost my first ship ha. I'll be leaving soon enough.




this has the rules on it


Thanks for that, though I won't be making this an issue anymore, I've annoyed too many people. It wasn't my intention to annoy other players. It was my intention to get an actual reply from CCP since I wasn't getting it privately.. so I end this now and say to those that are annoyed with me - I hope you don't get an issue that is ignored by CCP because bringing up on the forums probably wont help you at all.

o/


Nakayme Caonis
Posted - 2011.01.02 02:08:00 - [332]
 

Edited by: Nakayme Caonis on 02/01/2011 02:15:47
Regarding Facebook,
I believe one of the main reasons for the anti-facebook sentiment in this contest is because it was not announced. There was no official announcement regarding facebook as a partner, and the only statement that really included facebook was that "How will I vote on the semi-finalists after the 21st?
The Facebook “Like” button will be the vote mechanism." which is from Adida's post at the beginning of this thread.

People like me that don't use facebook can interpret that several ways, such as that facebook has contents, and has a button that is used to vote in similar contests. Such, a button similar to the button used in facebook (a facebook-like button) would be used to vote in these ends. As I have stated before, several things about this contest were not clear in the rules, and still have never been clarified. Even during the submission period, it became difficult to get emails back - if you even got a response at all.

I can understand why CCP would make partnerships to promote EVE, but without looking at facebook, I do not even know if this is a facebook-partnered contest or project.

Lastly, people like me will never get facebook pages because they are threats to our RL job security. Human Resources can and do check facebook profiles in my line of work, and people have been FIRED for having a picture of them at a party in decent dress, holding up a cup of beer and talking to people. ...That's right. And to do THIS, I'd have to either choose between making a false facebook account (which can easily be used to make false votes), or a true one, and further risk my job security by linking myself to a video game (and you thought a cup of beer was bad). Yes. Sometimes the quest to maintain a company's image can go a bit too far, and yes, very few fields hold that to level of stringency. Sadly, mine is one.

For everyone ELSE, I believe most of the facebook arguments can be summarized into one link: Southpark: You Have 0 Friends.
Warning: Foul and inappropriate language used in everyday life WILL be present. Do not watch if you or those around you find swear words offensive.

Congratulations to the people who did get in. Goodluck on the vote.
I hope the contest will be better run next time.
And please, do NOT make me a facebook page.

Garwill
Posted - 2011.01.02 07:04:00 - [333]
 

So the winner of this 'contest' isn't going to be included in Eve... and any facebook person can vote on it (non-Eve player), and the thousands of Eve players who won't use face book can not vote... wow. How fail can you get? I was at the point of giving CCP kudos for recent actions, but this just sent it spiraling backwards again. Also the lack of any reaction in this thread by CCP is insulting. VERY.

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2011.01.02 09:23:00 - [334]
 

Originally by: Nakayme Caonis
People like me that don't use facebook can interpret that several ways, such as that facebook has contents, and has a button that is used to vote in similar contests. Such, a button similar to the button used in facebook (a facebook-like button) would be used to vote in these ends.



Perhaps if you can't tell the difference between "the facebook like button" and "the facebook 'like' button", you should spend a little more time thinking about what you read? There is absolutely no ambiguity at all in that sentence, it was clear right from the beginning that facebook would be used for the voting process.



(Notice the very important quote marks around "like".)


Quote:
And to do THIS, I'd have to either choose between making a false facebook account (which can easily be used to make false votes)



And hey, you found the obvious solution! I guess I should give you more credit than the rest of the "BUT MY PRIVACY!!!!!!" whiners.


I do feel sorry for you though, if you could seriously get in trouble if your employers discovered that you play a video game. Perhaps it's time for a new job?

Death Stab
Posted - 2011.01.02 14:32:00 - [335]
 

WTF?

Facebook?


I just decided to vote and there was only one option - ****ing facebook!
Do I play FACEBOOK or Eve Online?
Your next idea will be collecting Coca-cola bottle lids to undock?


Disgrace..

Nakayme Caonis
Posted - 2011.01.02 17:36:00 - [336]
 

Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: Nakayme Caonis
People like me that don't use facebook can interpret that several ways, such as that facebook has contents, and has a button that is used to vote in similar contests. Such, a button similar to the button used in facebook (a facebook-like button) would be used to vote in these ends.



Perhaps if you can't tell the difference between "the facebook like button" and "the facebook 'like' button", you should spend a little more time thinking about what you read? There is absolutely no ambiguity at all in that sentence, it was clear right from the beginning that facebook would be used for the voting process.



(Notice the very important quote marks around "like".)

Quite comparatively, if you don't use facebook, you wouldn't know that facebook had a "like" button, so the only clear meaning from the context would be that there is a button similar to a facebook button option for voting. Unless you're psychic or go scavenging over facebook to see what button exactly Adida would have been talking about.

BTW, it's not that I CARE About it being on facebook. I really, really don't, actually. I am commenting to make a point so that maybe the next contest will be done a little bit better.

Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Quote:
And to do THIS, I'd have to either choose between making a false facebook account (which can easily be used to make false votes)



And hey, you found the obvious solution! I guess I should give you more credit than the rest of the "BUT MY PRIVACY!!!!!!" whiners.


I do feel sorry for you though, if you could seriously get in trouble if your employers discovered that you play a video game. Perhaps it's time for a new job?

Good, decent paying jobs are priceless.
Be happy I am in my field. There are a lot of people in it that shouldn't be, and you'll notice the difference 10-20 years down the line from now. When people in my field make mistakes, it effects everyone, and everyone has to start dealing with fatal accidents that can easily involve hundreds and thousands of people. That's one of the reasons I want to leave the United States, but New Generation American Engineers have already made such bad impact internationally that it has become slightly harder to do.
Not to mention that companies based outside of the US are a bit more 'chill' on what I do in my free time. [I think drinking beer and posting it on facebook might be a requirement in Europe.] And Germany? I want THEIR holiday schedule! A month in days off... It's like a cheesecake of free time.

PS: CCP, how does Iceland view American Engineers?

Anne Archer
Posted - 2011.01.05 05:50:00 - [337]
 

Seriously CCP get stuffed with this facebook ONLY garbage.

I will not use facebook either, having been a victim of identity theft I found how EASY it is once someone back tracks your family history to circumvent most checks to access your data!.

Burtzum
Posted - 2011.01.09 01:43:00 - [338]
 

Huh. I ended up voting for all Minmatar ships. I voted for the Serval, Whirlwind, and Freeborn. On one hand they're all very similar to ships that are already in the game. The Serval looks like the Scythe, the Whirlwind and Freeborn look like the Tempest. But I thought they would make cool replacements for the T2 ships. The recolored hulls we have now for T2s are not as interesting as these modified designs would be. Also, why do the T2 re-skins have to always be so gaudy? Rolling Eyes

Thats how I rationalized my choices anyway. They won't put the winner from this contest into the game so it doesn't really matter in the end.

At first I was going to vote for more original designs but I just don't feel any of them fit EVE very well. Some come close. Then again, some ships in EVE don't seem to fit. Like the Augoror. But I guess there are only so many ways you can reshape the Amarr talon/beak shape. Eventually you run out of cool ways to use it and end up with the goofy chicken-headed ships that are the Amarr Battlecruisers. Razz

The "Horus" definitely looks like a Caldari design, but it looks like a Caldari space station. Doesn't look like a fun sexy ship to fly. The "Caldari Battleship" by David L is simple yet imposing, and resembles the Caldari freighter, just rotated 90 degrees. I think the skyscraper-looking thing in the middle on the front-view is an interesting idea. Skyscrapers fit the personality of the corporate douches that are the Caldari. That 'walls of glass' look might work well in some sections of Caldari ships. Also I view Caldari as an extreme version of USA and I believe USA was the first to go nuts with building skyscrapers. "Vanagandr" also looks Caldari and has an interesting front section. But the back lets it down and overall it looks too much like a jet.

Most of the entries are great in terms of level of polish, presentation, technical skill. Just not wowed by the actual designs, particularly with regards to fitting into EVE. If the 'Tornado' from the first contest was in there it would still be my first pick.

Culsotu2
Der Verfluchte Engel
Posted - 2011.01.09 11:14:00 - [339]
 

I voted for the Untitled by Christophe A

..because it is different from everything else
and looks like a really hard nut to pop.

Burtzum
Posted - 2011.01.09 23:42:00 - [340]
 

Originally by: Culsotu2
I voted for the Untitled by Christophe A

..because it is different from everything else
and looks like a really hard nut to pop.


That one reminded me of 1930s and 40s hotrods.

SFM Hobb3s
Vanguard Frontiers
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.01.13 15:50:00 - [341]
 

The contest site has been updated to show that the voting has now ended. Best of luck to all that entered :)

General Storage
Posted - 2011.01.26 10:35:00 - [342]
 

Privacy settings > Friends Only

Saul Dhampir
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.01.29 14:11:00 - [343]
 

Ever so slightly late, but will throw this up anyway, given all things incursions. I wanted to do Sanshas Destroyers, Bruisers and Carriers. This was the Banshee, a destrioyer design:

Banshee - Sanshas Destroyer


Goodwin
Caldari
Forsaken Empyreal
The Ancients.
Posted - 2011.01.31 23:04:00 - [344]
 

Hey, just curious CCP...

You planning on making a call here? Pretty much anyone could win, I don't care which; but the suspense is killing me. Shocked

Thanks.

Osire Gallanus
Posted - 2011.02.03 04:42:00 - [345]
 

Seriously, it felt like the voting ended like 2 months ago. If you're waiting to release the results for whatever reason...don't. It doesn't take long to not count something since the voting process did that for you already. Just look at what's in the #1 spot and let us know! Shocked

Guy Ferox
Posted - 2011.02.04 22:31:00 - [346]
 

Originally by: Goodwin
Hey, just curious CCP...

You planning on making a call here? Pretty much anyone could win, I don't care which; but the suspense is killing me. Shocked

Thanks.


dont worry they screwed up the begging date. they have screwed up the winner date

Justass
Posted - 2011.02.11 21:29:00 - [347]
 

No way am I going to vote if I have to use Facebook.

Guy Ferox
Posted - 2011.02.13 06:14:00 - [348]
 

so its febuary 13 and the winning ship is...

JcJet
Caldari
Pretenders Inc
W-Space
Posted - 2011.02.15 10:04:00 - [349]
 

Edited by: JcJet on 15/02/2011 10:07:21
I didn't know how it is now, but i'm sure it'll be some junk again...

They don't have a balls to put in game something flaweless and f*****g awesome, which looks cool in all angles, something like Vaygr battlecruiser :)
http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr157/ZahrDalsk/Vaygr-Battlecruiser-1.jpg
Or, well, it'll be much vertical and more pieces where is shouldn't be any :)

Just jokin' :) i'm looking forward to new ships, especially caldari ones... :)

Goodwin
Caldari
Forsaken Empyreal
The Ancients.
Posted - 2011.02.15 18:36:00 - [350]
 

Originally by: JcJet
Edited by: JcJet on 15/02/2011 10:07:21
I didn't know how it is now, but i'm sure it'll be some junk again...

They don't have a balls to put in game something flaweless and f*****g awesome, which looks cool in all angles, something like Vaygr battlecruiser :)


That would indeed be sexy.

CCP Did you forget about this thread?...

Rone2
Posted - 2011.02.16 14:22:00 - [351]
 

Im wondering the same thing, who won this?

Azureite
Amarr
Special Forces Operation Detachment Delta
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2011.02.21 03:55:00 - [352]
 

Originally by: Rone2
Im wondering the same thing, who won this?
The world may never know...

onyu
Posted - 2011.02.22 19:10:00 - [353]
 

Edited by: onyu on 22/02/2011 19:16:20
Edited by: onyu on 22/02/2011 19:14:25
Edited by: onyu on 22/02/2011 19:12:26
Edited by: onyu on 22/02/2011 19:11:43
Originally by: egg timer
Considering that most existing ships in Eve look like they were designed by a ******ed rhesus monkey, I don't really see why we should expect anything different to win; CCP will just "prejudge" out anything that doesn't look equally absurd.


Back in 2003, I pretty much agreed with you, especially on all those grotesquely asymmetrical designs that couldn't fly a straight line in space if they wanted to.

But since 2003, they've come up with a fair number of more probable looking ships, and textures have improved too.

Even the most ridiculous ships, that looked like the modeler simply stuck together parts of a 3D set of crude hardware store components (raven, scorpion) have been replaced with somewhat improved (raven) or much improved (scorpion) models by now.

Many problems still remain:

Unlike the designers of the homeworld ships, that put great thought into proper scale and truly managed to express every ships purpose in its hull design, EVE ships are still a weird mishmash of things that make no sense:

1) scaling inconsistencies
2) thrusters that fire into components behind them, like wings or antennae (mammoth, nighthawk, others)
3) asymetric thruster arrangements that would result in involuntary twirling flight paths
4) no sense of where the bridge might be in many ships.
5) ships that look like hand tools or deformed chickens. (Rupture, Prophecy)
6) basically no ships cool enough that you'd want just for their design (failure to learn from car and yacht design on how to make a vehicle desirable through good design)
7) failure to display advertising of Ishukone and other NPC corps for their ships on space Televisions. (Quafe commercials get old)
8) ships with spinach growing all over the hull (Ishtar)
9) almost no black ships, the few that looked great in black (khanid omen, Nighthawk, Kronos, Navy Scorpion) were either npc only versions, or needlessly ended up getting recolored to trashcan-gray or something else way less cool.

Since CCP has become more international, I have to give credit for the improvements. And since the tier 2 battle cruisers got released, no more really horrific blunders have been made.

Still, there's room for further improvement.
Especially with Incarna in mind, ships could use at least a proper bridge (some ships have, and some don't) and some scaling work, that could probably be handled just by texture alteration.



And give us back some black ships! Black Ops ships sure could stand to be black, especially the Amarr one...

I'll offer 2 plex for making the Khanid Navy Omen available to players in some form! YARRRR!!


...

yoni
Posted - 2011.02.22 19:21:00 - [354]
 

Originally by: Garwill
So the winner of this 'contest' isn't going to be included in Eve... and any facebook person can vote on it (non-Eve player), and the thousands of Eve players who won't use face book can not vote... wow. How fail can you get? I was at the point of giving CCP kudos for recent actions, but this just sent it spiraling backwards again. Also the lack of any reaction in this thread by CCP is insulting. VERY.


yeah thats horribly fail..

Facebook is one of the slimiest companies on earth, right behind Monsanto for all I know.

Don't support them, don't make us go there for anything, and especially don't make eve players sign up to that morass

YUCK!

CCP, how could you?

Caly Lloyd
Posted - 2011.02.22 20:22:00 - [355]
 

Wait, they still havent announced the winner? Why have a contest then? And not putting the winning ship in the game is serious false advertising. Put the winning ship in the game - it's what we all expected you to do.

Guy Ferox
Posted - 2011.02.22 21:21:00 - [356]
 

Originally by: Caly Lloyd
Wait, they still havent announced the winner? Why have a contest then? And not putting the winning ship in the game is serious false advertising. Put the winning ship in the game - it's what we all expected you to do.



i expect them to wait until everyone forgets about this and then no one will care about the crappy ships they pick

JcJet
Caldari
Pretenders Inc
W-Space
Posted - 2011.02.23 14:09:00 - [357]
 

Edited by: JcJet on 23/02/2011 14:09:38
Originally by: onyu

1) scaling inconsistencies
2) thrusters that fire into components behind them, like wings or antennae (mammoth, nighthawk, others)
3) asymetric thruster arrangements that would result in involuntary twirling flight paths
4) no sense of where the bridge might be in many ships.
5) ships that look like hand tools or deformed chickens. (Rupture, Prophecy)
6) basically no ships cool enough that you'd want just for their design (failure to learn from car and yacht design on how to make a vehicle desirable through good design)
7) failure to display advertising of Ishukone and other NPC corps for their ships on space Televisions. (Quafe commercials get old)
8) ships with spinach growing all over the hull (Ishtar)
9) almost no black ships, the few that looked great in black (khanid omen, Nighthawk, Kronos, Navy Scorpion) were either npc only versions, or needlessly ended up getting recolored to trashcan-gray or something else way less cool.



10) Missiles are flying from a center of hull. It's actually very stupid, if you look to any space game.
Well, in homeworld, again, missiles are launcher from ship's hull(model) too, but from missile bays, which just a part of a model. Even on vaygr battlecruisers, those missile bays on top is static, but it's looks fine. Is that really was too hard to do?
http://www.xfire.com/video/41138b/
Well, it's was fine on beta, but it's been a years now...

Dianne
Posted - 2011.02.23 15:05:00 - [358]
 

Some of those contest pics could be desktop backgrounds actually. I like most of em, what I dont like is that theres obviously only 2 minmatar ships worth mentioning, but tons of amarr flying cans. And thats no herecy, go away you puny churchguys :)

AJ Goodwin
Posted - 2011.02.23 18:19:00 - [359]
 

I am going to stab a guess at when they will announce this. Fan Fest in a few weeks. Would be nice if it was before. That is probably the best time. Sooner would be better though.

SFM Hobb3s
Vanguard Frontiers
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.02.24 21:24:00 - [360]
 

Well, regardless if its gonna be revealed there, I would assume nothing, because nothing has been said. In the meantime, I suggest we just keep bumping this thread, along with the other one in the discussion forum.


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