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Samsarin
Posted - 2010.12.30 14:28:00 - [271]
 

I'm quite surprised with choice of some semi-finalists, and when I say that, I don't mean it in a good way. Few of my favorite designs that I saw as early entries to this competition are not there. And this smells like previous DA competition to me. It would be nice if CCP would show all participating entries. Thanks.Neutral

Ivan Tesla
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.30 14:53:00 - [272]
 

Originally by: Burhtun
I'm surprised that Caldari "lambcatcher" didn't make it in there. Maybe they felt it was too similar to the Drake. There are some good designs in there though. Its going to be tough to choose my 3 favorites.

Dammit I wish I knew about this earlier so I could have built another ship. Crying or Very sad Ah well. Can build them for fun anyway.

Oh, and some of the ships give a 404 when you try to view the full size pic.


Thanks for thinking of my ship :) Yep, I just checked (a usually daily ritual till now) to see if the website was fixed - and ...oohh my ship ain't there :(

I really liked the Lammergeier/Lamb Catcher, thought it had a good chance, maybe I complained too much about the contest? Question Crying or Very sad Won't waste my time on it next time and just make ships for the hell of it. Though without money as a prize probably not. (thats what kept family at bay from nagging me not to wasting my time ;)

Need to work on something to make me some money :)

Ivan Tesla
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.30 15:19:00 - [273]
 

Here was my actual submission for the contest, I don't think it was ever shown on the contest website:

Lammergeier full version

I'm happy I made it despite the contest stuff up and result..

Fiskebent
Posted - 2010.12.30 15:36:00 - [274]
 

I would like to vote, but I don't have a Facebook account. Facebook has terms of use that I won't agree to. So in the future, please don't make access to Eve content depend on 3rd party websites.

Mike deVoid
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2010.12.30 16:54:00 - [275]
 

Edited by: Mike deVoid on 30/12/2010 16:54:14
Came to add myself to the list of people not happy that facebook app required to vote.

Quote:
EVE Online Final Vote is requesting permission to do the following:

Access my basic information
Includes name, profile picture, gender, networks, user ID, list of friends, and any other information I've shared with everyone.


F*ck that sh*t, that's personal information you just don't require.

Elaron
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.12.30 17:00:00 - [276]
 

Originally by: Fiskebent
please don't make access to Eve content depend on 3rd party websites.

This. I'm sorry, CCP, but this is a very shoddy move on your part.

Zhems Bund
Gallente
Expeditionary Resources Association
Posted - 2010.12.30 17:56:00 - [277]
 

Edited by: Zhems Bund on 30/12/2010 17:59:12
Edited by: Zhems Bund on 30/12/2010 17:57:24

Well add me to the list as well, I will not use facebook (privacy, data protection etc etc). CCP, insisting on using it is a big mistake. I would request that in future we are offered an alternative.

As I am not going to be able to vote my suggestion is, no matter which design wins, that Robin S's Interbus Courier is implemented. It's about time we had a real ship for that faction and I’m sorry but the yellow shuttle doesn't count!!!

Billy Kidd
Posted - 2010.12.30 18:23:00 - [278]
 


vagy
Posted - 2010.12.30 18:27:00 - [279]
 

iam not sure if my entry were uploaded at all(cant remember getting any email confirming anything).. so posting a link here - Peleus
some fancy writings and eve logos might made some difference (: oh well, you cant win them all anyways

Kamilla Vermillion
Posted - 2010.12.30 18:51:00 - [280]
 

Edited by: Kamilla Vermillion on 30/12/2010 18:57:57

guys, maybe we should run our own contest?

just a site with ALL works and in-game voting mechanism

then mass petition for the winner(s)
if that doesnt work - just collect some isk for the winner

if that thought looks intresting to you - post X

Daisuke Iyejasu
Posted - 2010.12.30 19:15:00 - [281]
 

Ok thatīs my Way to the Protest to CCP.

I canīt to hold a view from CCP to go this follow ways.

1. i canīt accepted to minimized the chance for varoius artist to go to the top20 why CCP submitted 3 works for one artist.
although when are good works from this artists

2. to use fu*** Facebook to use for a voting, anyone knowing our data not secure on facebook

sorry i canīt this accepted now and i canceled my both eve-accs

bye bye ccp

Billy Kidd
Posted - 2010.12.30 19:16:00 - [282]
 

I like this idea. Winners can be paid with ISK/ships.

What ingame voting mechanism would be appropriate?

Macmuelli
Gallente
Meltd0wn
Posted - 2010.12.30 19:31:00 - [283]
 

Edited by: Macmuelli on 30/12/2010 20:58:53
Originally by: Kamilla Vermillion
Edited by: Kamilla Vermillion on 30/12/2010 18:57:57

guys, maybe we should run our own contest?

just a site with ALL works and in-game voting mechanism

then mass petition for the winner(s)
if that doesnt work - just collect some isk for the winner

if that thought looks intresting to you - post X





I ve done serveral contest s before, but they where low in response. Some used it to post not there own stuff, and simply copyed entries from other peoples.

follow the link, and u will see entries. I will keep this contest running again, till i ve enough time.

Contest

I personal have no problem with the voting mechanism.

btw "The vidar" tooks a hell of time to model it. It s not textured but much detailed.

So if it looks bad or good It s a point of view.

But i m pretty proud that it find s the way into the voting.


greetings

mac

Goodwin
Caldari
Forsaken Empyreal
The Ancients.
Posted - 2010.12.30 19:41:00 - [284]
 

I am not sure if the in-game voting - like that for the CSM would make much of a difference to the Facebook version; other than it would not be public access. EVE account voting has its bonuses. But, like Facebook, people have multiple accounts in EVE too. I am betting my sister's dog is going to vote. So, technically, you would get multiple votes in either system. I am always paranoid some major corp/alliance will tilt the vote, but that is life.

The idea of isk is good, but may not bring out as much interest unless it is a lot of isk. Likely would have to be billions. If that was the only award, I would not try for it. Personally, I would love to see this competition yearly - and as they hold more of them; the mechanism will improve.

I know that there is talk about how hard it is to make game models from art devs (in a variety of game engines not just this one) - sorry art devs, secret is out. It took me all of 30 minutes to figure out how to build, texture, animate, script, and convert a model from Lightwave to Torque, and that was 10 years ago. I bet it has gotten easier.

Either way; this hopefully is not the last contest. We all know what we want in the game, it just may take time to get it. If nothing else, at least they are letting us participate. This is not WOW.

Nakayme Caonis
Posted - 2010.12.30 19:50:00 - [285]
 

Edited by: Nakayme Caonis on 30/12/2010 19:56:17
It would be interesting to see a player run contest.
But yes, I do feel as if I have been smacked across the face, several times, by someone who didn't bother to wash their hands after using the bathroom.

I can understand that CCP works and tries to get stuff done, as talking about how you are trying to get it done, doesn't necessarily help get it done. That doesn't mean you shouldn't provide updates though.

The main reasons behind these feelings that I have though is that CCP did not have a right to deny entries from appearing in the semi-finals, except for their qualifying rules - under 5MB, and looks like it would fit in EVE. IF there is a submission that was accepted by the site, which apparently did have some filters to ensure the 5MB thing, and IF the ship looks like it COULD fit some design concept in EVE, even if it is a new faction that doesn't even currently exist, then the entry should have been posted. THAT, after all, is what the point of voting for which ship you think is the best - originality and creativity certainly is NOT against the PUBLISHED rules here.

In hindsight, I feel like I should have dropped my ship design on the spot and entered the J!NX design when it was announced, just because it wasn't run by CCP, aka, Better feedback and support, and at least my art would have been posted. It's not like I get the consolation prize for all the work I put into my starship design drawing, and all the fighting I did with my computer to get it to work, after all. From what I've read of the rules - those prizes only go to the people that CCP has accepted as submitting entries that meet the basic qualifying criteria - AKA, all of the entries displayed on the semi-finalists finalvote website - all of the 47 entries currently displayed.

So, everyone who put the work in, applied, had a half-decent design that many people said would fit in EVE, don't even get an acknowledgment or a notice stating why they weren't accepted, or that they weren't excepted at all. They get to look through the entries, wondering where theirs is, and then after double checking it, have to wonder why theirs isn't there. Is it still loading? Are they still adding more entries? But why is the voting already open?

After a day, it's apparent and the answer is clear. Those entrants just have to accept that they entered under the rules, and their effort was thrown into a trash can for some reason that they can't conceive under the current rules, and that despite they put the effort in, someone decided to disregard the rules and just throw people and their effort away anyway. I won't pretend to know the reason for this.

I'm just disgruntled because I feel the contest's rules regarding the qualifiers were mishandled, to the point where CCP offered me candy and decided I couldn't have any even though I did what they said. That's something that's supposed to be reserved for in game conduct - not out of game, game related contests by CCP.



Edit: All things considered, it might have been the rush to get things done via people that were less patient and more demanding that resulted in many entries being thrown out, that should not have been thrown out. So it's not completely CCP's fault.
I still reserve the right to be disgruntled though.

Billy Kidd
Posted - 2010.12.30 19:51:00 - [286]
 

Edited by: Billy Kidd on 30/12/2010 19:55:38
Nah, the problem with this contest is that most people didn't even know if they got in or not. All we have is the final 40, and for the rest of us who aren't in the top 40, we don't even know whether our entries were even received for judging.

Even if CCP just posts a gallery of EVERYONE's entries just to prove that they got all our submissions, that'd be a helluva lot better than what they have now.

Nakayme Caonis
Posted - 2010.12.30 19:59:00 - [287]
 

Originally by: Billy Kidd
Edited by: Billy Kidd on 30/12/2010 19:55:38
Nah, the problem with this contest is that most people didn't even know if they got in or not. All we have is the final 40, and for the rest of us who aren't in the top 40, we don't even know whether our entries were even received for judging.

Even if CCP just posts a gallery of EVERYONE's entries just to prove that they got all our submissions, that'd be a helluva lot better than what they have now.


Those aren't the 47 final. Those are the 47 qualifiers. Now is the public vote, where the 47 qualifiers will be voted on by the public. After that is reduced to 20 finalists, CCP will have a vote on which ones are the winners.
To date, there has been no voting involved to my knowledge, as the rules do not call for it. Anything else entered besides those 47 were not acceptable entries to the contest. They were just thrown out, like the Mach 5.

Billy Kidd
Posted - 2010.12.30 20:15:00 - [288]
 

So most of the entries in the original gallery were not qualified to make it to this round? Wow.

Guy Ferox
Posted - 2010.12.30 20:34:00 - [289]
 

Originally by: Billy Kidd
So most of the entries in the original gallery were not qualified to make it to this round? Wow.

the more amazing thing is that there things in the semi-finalists that should not even have a chance to win.

CCP said that there would be 5 winners 1 grand price and 4 others, 1 for amar, caldari, gallente, and mimitar.

so do an ore miner or sansha ship really belong in the semifinals

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2010.12.30 20:40:00 - [290]
 

Facebook a requirement? Really?

Top notch if you are going for the first prize in "The most brain-dead decision ever".

Keep you "vote".

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2010.12.30 20:42:00 - [291]
 

Well, I petitioned my missing entry (IMO, better than my entry which actually made it to the voting) and it looks like when CCP said "pre-screen" they really meant "pick the top 40-ish". I've sent a reply asking for a clear explanation of what standards were used in selecting which entries were posted to vote on.

Guy Ferox
Posted - 2010.12.30 20:45:00 - [292]
 

Edited by: Guy Ferox on 30/12/2010 20:47:44
Edited by: Guy Ferox on 30/12/2010 20:47:15
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Well, I petitioned my missing entry (IMO, better than my entry which actually made it to the voting) and it looks like when CCP said "pre-screen" they really meant "pick the top 40-ish". I've sent a reply asking for a clear explanation of what standards were used in selecting which entries were posted to vote on.


i would like to know this also, this semi-finalist does not even have mesurements on the design clearly not meeting the requirements in the rules

Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
Posted - 2010.12.30 20:51:00 - [293]
 

Originally by: Guy Ferox
...

i would like to know this also, this semi-finalist does not even have mesurements on the design clearly not meeting the requirements in the rules


heh, are we having DeviantArt farse all over again?

Pythena
Posted - 2010.12.30 21:01:00 - [294]
 

Great, I make it a point to remove facebook from my life and now I can't vote on a contest that has nothing to do with facebook.

Nakayme Caonis
Posted - 2010.12.30 21:02:00 - [295]
 

Edited by: Nakayme Caonis on 30/12/2010 21:06:11
Originally by: Guy Ferox
Originally by: Billy Kidd
So most of the entries in the original gallery were not qualified to make it to this round? Wow.

the more amazing thing is that there things in the semi-finalists that should not even have a chance to win.

CCP said that there would be 5 winners 1 grand price and 4 others, 1 for amar, caldari, gallente, and mimitar.

so do an ore miner or sansha ship really belong in the semifinals


Yes.
Sansha can count as an Amarr Based Pirate Faction, and their ships derive a good amount of basis from Amarr Origin. They use Beams and Armor much like the Amarr and Blood Raiders, have their home outside of Amarr space, and etc. Although you'd have to check their storyline history for more, they can easily be considered Amarr Deviants as a basis.

ORE is a little more plain and clear. They can count as a Gallente based Industrial Faction, and even has the description: "A filthy rich corporation that disassociated itself from the Federation when it tried to encroach on the companies riches."

Both can win the grand prize without requiring a faction.

Guy Ferox
Posted - 2010.12.30 21:04:00 - [296]
 

Edited by: Guy Ferox on 30/12/2010 21:26:44
Edited by: Guy Ferox on 30/12/2010 21:21:51
Edited by: Guy Ferox on 30/12/2010 21:14:51
this one, though being my favorite, does not have 6 diffrent prespectives of the same image he has folding wings that move in the skematics


another example where his starboard skematic is not of the same image

port skematic is not of the same image

Guy Ferox
Posted - 2010.12.30 21:16:00 - [297]
 

Originally by: Nakayme Caonis
Edited by: Nakayme Caonis on 30/12/2010 21:06:11
Originally by: Guy Ferox
Originally by: Billy Kidd
So most of the entries in the original gallery were not qualified to make it to this round? Wow.

the more amazing thing is that there things in the semi-finalists that should not even have a chance to win.

CCP said that there would be 5 winners 1 grand price and 4 others, 1 for amar, caldari, gallente, and mimitar.

so do an ore miner or sansha ship really belong in the semifinals


Yes.
Sansha can count as an Amarr Based Pirate Faction, and their ships derive a good amount of basis from Amarr Origin. They use Beams and Armor much like the Amarr and Blood Raiders, have their home outside of Amarr space, and etc. Although you'd have to check their storyline history for more, they can easily be considered Amarr Deviants as a basis.

ORE is a little more plain and clear. They can count as a Gallente based Industrial Faction, and even has the description: "A filthy rich corporation that disassociated itself from the Federation when it tried to encroach on the companies riches."

Both can win the grand prize without requiring a faction.



so you check out the marketplace, ore comes up under gallente ships?

Nakayme Caonis
Posted - 2010.12.30 21:20:00 - [298]
 

Edited by: Nakayme Caonis on 30/12/2010 21:21:10
Originally by: Guy Ferox

so you check out the marketplace, ore comes up under gallente ships?

Yeps. Right next to Gallente Cream Products.

Billy Kidd
Posted - 2010.12.30 21:24:00 - [299]
 

So this gets in

But this one doesn't?

WTF

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2010.12.30 21:32:00 - [300]
 

Originally by: Billy Kidd
So this gets in

But this one doesn't?

WTF




One thing worth noting here is the problems with the submission page. For example, even though one of my entries is up for voting, it was only accepted after significantly cutting the file size (and making the text un-readable in the process). The original, a 2.5mb .png file (limit of 5mb) would not upload properly and was auto-rejected as not being in the proper format.



Since the lammergeier image linked is a ~2mb file, I would not be surprised if it was never even seen by CCP. This is one of the things I've petitioned (about my second entry, another large file), so hopefully we'll get some answers soon.


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