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Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.01.12 23:40:00 - [61]
 

1 Create alt
2 Trade cap to alt
3 Sell alt


Profit?

NoNah
Posted - 2011.01.13 04:01:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
1 Create alt
2 Trade cap to alt
3 Sell alt


Profit?



Granted sold chars may not hold ony assets worth anything, it'd still work sort of.

Ariz Black
Posted - 2011.01.13 09:03:00 - [63]
 

I'm sure there's plenty of loopholes, e.g. you could "accidentally eject" from the cap and then have chribba send you 10b for one because he remembers he loves you... but really, if they just didn't reimburse them in hisec this rule wouldn't even be needed...

Fred Kyong
Caldari
EWH NanoTex
Posted - 2011.01.16 01:02:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: RuckaLucka Ali
Its ok guys i came up with a brilliant idea to blackmarket these ships without getting caught you should probebly mail me if you wanna know (hi ccp, no i dont care)


You are banned Cool

Clowntoucher
Posted - 2011.01.17 20:54:00 - [65]
 

A draconian response by CCP to rectify a problem caused by the incompetents at CCP in the first place? Classic Laughing

Sealiah
Minmatar
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Care Factor
Posted - 2011.01.17 21:58:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Kagan Storm
Edited by: Kagan Storm on 07/12/2010 06:47:20
Edited by: Kagan Storm on 07/12/2010 06:44:28
Originally by: GM Grimmi

4. You may not sell or put your capital up for sale while in high security space.



This translates to "the seller at the moment of transaction has to be in lov sec or 0.0 sec or wormhole space"

I totaly aggre with this... only the buy person should be in high sec... where the ship is.... seller must always bee in non high sec....

I kinda think this has something to do so oyu have to trade the ship over contracts...

I will applay by this rule :)

Epic fail at trying to rule-lawyer....


If this was a real, working legal sytem, you'd be right, because you should apply the law as is, not as you think the law creator thought it should work.

But this is eve, gms have the final word. I'm sure they will correct the small error. And i'm sure that trying to abuse the small error will cause you to get an even longer ban.

Binzii Hachnamen
The Lonetrekkers
Posted - 2011.01.28 10:48:00 - [67]
 

hIGHSEc

oh shi-

Bosdos
Posted - 2011.01.30 22:09:00 - [68]
 

I heard that you have to build Capital Ship (like Orca) in capital shipyard? Is that mean I have to build "capital construction parts" on capital shipyard too or just the assembly of the Orca or Morro or Thanatos in Low Sec? Can I build an Orca in high sec station? I can use Orca to mine and is Orca a capital ship?

ALI Virgo
Posted - 2011.01.31 20:49:00 - [69]
 

If pirates can gank at jita with alot of Battleships why not allow capitals to do the same.War declaired game machenics even to black mail money from weaker corps happens..Can I use my orca with war fare links while war declared...It is capital correct. Make concord stronger and allow all ships every where. Make noobs ships harder to track.. That rookie ship or care bears...I played eve for 6 months before even seeing a carrier. I have yet to see a titan while playing the game. when I saw abaddon I wanted it when I saw drake I wanted it and so on ... If ccp allows them to fly through high sec. have some form of weapons disruption on dangerious ships. let the players security level allow him to fly in. in high sec or get owned my some form of super concord.

JohnPaulJones
Caldari
Valhalla Naval Corp
Valhalla Strategic Command
Posted - 2011.02.03 11:06:00 - [70]
 

Quote:
Make concord stronger and allow all ships every where.


CONCORD need not be made stronger. CONCORD frigates can tackle EVERYTHING. CONCORD cruisers can perma ECM and insta cap drain ALL ships and the battleships will insta pop all ship hulls including titans regardless of fit.

Tanith YarnDemon
Posted - 2011.02.03 16:15:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Bosdos
I heard that you have to build Capital Ship (like Orca) in capital shipyard? Is that mean I have to build "capital construction parts" on capital shipyard too or just the assembly of the Orca or Morro or Thanatos in Low Sec? Can I build an Orca in high sec station? I can use Orca to mine and is Orca a capital ship?


There's no clear definition of what's capital and what's not. Typically Carriers, dreads and the rorqual are considered capital. Then Orca, Freighters and Jump freighters are pseudocapital. Motherships and Titans are supercapitals.

This means...

Freighters, Jump freighters and orca can use stargates, they can thus also be built and used to their full extent in highsec. They can be produced in Large ship assembly arrays.
Carriers, dreads and rorqual can not use stargates, they can thus not be used in highsec. There's a select few "legit" highsec capitals, like chribbas in amarr, mine in Jita and so on. Legit dreads can exist in 1.0 and down, carriers in 0.7 and down, rorquals in 0.4 and down. They can be built in stations from 0.4 and down, aswell as X-large ship assembly arrays.
Supercarriers(Motherships) and titans can ONLY be built in Capital Ship Assembly Arrays, which also requires sovereignty in the system. This means they can only be built in conquerable 0.0, not in wormhole space, not in empire(highsec or lowsec), not in stations anywhere.

Regardless anything said in this thread has nothing to do with orcas in any way shape or form. Or atleast it shouldn't have.

Izuru Hishido
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.02.04 03:52:00 - [72]
 

I'm going to clear this up once and for all.

CCP has made this far too confusing for the apparently uneducated player to understand, but a capital ship is distinguished by three defining characteristics, the first two are the most important and the easiest to understand.

1) It requires the skill "Capital Ships" to fly.
2) It cannot use a jump gate.
3) It has a capital jump drive, thus it is stuck in the system it is in unless it is jumped out to lowsec or 0.0.

CCP in their infinite wisdom decided to make things a great deal less clear about what is actually a capital ship and what is not.

A freighter is not a capital ship.
An Orca is not a capital ship.
A jump freighter is not a capital ship.

How do I know this? Well, lets look at the evidence penned by my rules. Freighters and orcas do not require the skill Capital Ships to fly, they do not require a cyno beacon or generator to jump to, and they can use stargates. That's it. It really is THAT easy to tell these ships apart.

/thread

Tanith YarnDemon
Posted - 2011.02.04 09:22:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Izuru Hishido
stuff



Except that's stuff and rules you've made up. There's no logic to them and there's no coherence. You could just aswell use a rule saying that they can dock, hence they're not capital. Or they require the skill capital ships construction to build. Or they require capital construction components to build.

If you'd chose to go by the evelopedia, all of the above mentioned ships are capital.

Kalamity Jaine
Posted - 2011.02.14 23:49:00 - [74]
 

The orca, freighters and the jump freighters require the builder to build capital construction items in order to make them. The Jumpers(jump freighter) have their own distinct bpos(bpc) with that ugly word "Capital" in front of the otherwise tech 2 component name. Jumpers are built with these said named "capital t2 parts" and they only need the jump drive as far as "real" capital parts go.
By the way, unless someone else beat me to the draw, you can't build a capital ship in a high security station or POS. I already tried to do it myself.
believe me if I could, I'd be selling the real "capital ships" to my loyal customers in eve. Razz
Goonswarn rises again!!! YARRRR!! Twisted Evil

Arushia
Nova Labs
New Eden Research.
Posted - 2011.02.15 21:53:00 - [75]
 

I'd like a clarification on this point:

Originally by: GM Grimmi

3. You may not use your capital ship’s attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.



Level 4 missions are already quite easy with a marauder. Does using a capital to run non-gated missions qualify as a legal use of a high-sec capital?

bbtop
Triangular Initiative
STR8NGE BREW
Posted - 2011.03.08 12:17:00 - [76]
 

HAHA!!! easy fix, just sell the character that has the high sec capital, and make even more money. Nice fail at failing.

Gary Hagon
Gallente
Angry Hobos
Interstellar Hobos
Posted - 2011.03.17 05:50:00 - [77]
 

Here is a fun solution that CCP should have done.

Make it so that caps can freely enter highsec through stargates (No cynos, just say the Highsec gates have been given a upgrade), but make it so that concord will bring a few supercaps and a h. dictor(Over powered?) in if they dont have a certan modgule fitted.

The modgule will cripple the specal abilitys of the ship (Remove firepower for dreads/titans, Remove drones for carriers, remove vat bay for rorq but keep seige/triage for tank) , but in turn, will tell concord to back off.

A flying brick that cant shoot but can tank is a good way to prevent abuse. with the treat of concord supercaps, I dont think anyone will get dumb.


Just a Idea!

NoNah
Posted - 2011.03.18 12:41:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Gary Hagon
Here is a fun solution that CCP should have done.

Make it so that caps can freely enter highsec through stargates (No cynos, just say the Highsec gates have been given a upgrade), but make it so that concord will bring a few supercaps and a h. dictor(Over powered?) in if they dont have a certan modgule fitted.

The modgule will cripple the specal abilitys of the ship (Remove firepower for dreads/titans, Remove drones for carriers, remove vat bay for rorq but keep seige/triage for tank) , but in turn, will tell concord to back off.

A flying brick that cant shoot but can tank is a good way to prevent abuse. with the treat of concord supercaps, I dont think anyone will get dumb.


Just a Idea!


The only effect this would have is that there would be ALOT more supercaps on highsecgates, as they're virtually immune.

"Oh you got hotdropped, well let me fit this module and through the gate I go!"

Not to mention there's no reason to have the caps in highsec in the first place, especially not if they're powerless.

Red Rose
Thundercats
Posted - 2011.03.21 10:36:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Red Rose on 21/03/2011 10:37:12
I created a petition about to ask if its allowd to trade it on station for no reward isk / items as a gift.
RESULT: Thats also forbidden... Shocked



ME:
Dear CCP due to this post http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1423471
its not allowd to sell capital which are located in highsec anymore.

It says: "Sales of capital ships in high sec are hereby prohibited, be it on the regular market or through the contract system."

Is it allowd to use the Trade in Station option to hand a Capital to another player? If this is also classified as a sale is it allowd to use this way for a free trade as a donation or a gift without getting any reward for it in ISK or Items.

Thanks
Best Regards
rr

========================

GM1:

Hi,

Thank you for contacting customer support.
I apologize for the late reply.

Direct trading aCapital ship to another player in high-sec systems is also prohibited.

If you need further assistance, please don't hesitate to contact us again.
We'll do all we can to help.

Best Regards,
GM "X"
EVE Online Customer Support

========================

ME:

Thanks for your replay.
I still have a question about trade as a gift. Since its not a sale and not metiond to be rewarded in any form (pretty sure you are able to make full wallet checks etc) why is this forbidden?

Regards
rr

========================

GM2:

Capital ships are not supposed to be in high security systems in the first place. Therefore, any kind of trade regarding capital ships in high security systems are not allowed.

Best Regards,
GM "Y"
The EVE Online Customer Support Team

Rebel sTuFF
Rebel Inc
Posted - 2011.03.21 11:10:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Red Rose

========================

ME:

Thanks for your replay.
I still have a question about trade as a gift. Since its not a sale and not metiond to be rewarded in any form (pretty sure you are able to make full wallet checks etc) why is this forbidden?

Regards
rr

========================

GM2:

Capital ships are not supposed to be in high security systems in the first place. Therefore, any kind of trade regarding capital ships in high security systems are not allowed.

Best Regards,
GM "Y"
The EVE Online Customer Support Team


I wonder if it could be still considered a trade if you unboard from the capital ship so the other player can take it in space Rolling Eyes

Aidan Patrick
Aldebaran Foundation
Tauri Federation
Posted - 2011.04.01 03:53:00 - [81]
 

This angers me. I'll tell you why.

Lets say you've been playing this game but you never bother to check the forums for anything and don't know about this rule. You buy the capital for 100 billion or some junk.

Congradulations, the capital is moved to low sec and the seller walks away with your 100 billion and a whopping 2 week ban.

That's wrong. If CCP indeed feels this rule should continue despite its very obvious purpose of covering their GM's butts when they make a mistake then my opinion is this:

Don't ban the player *buying* the capital. Ban the player *selling* the capital. Any funds transfered to the seller for the purchase are refunded in full to the buyer. The capital is then moved to the low sec system of the buyers choice.

In addition to the above, when reimbursing a capital ship to high sec, have a foot note that mentions those rules. I guarantee you, NOONE will ever sell one then.


Over all though, easiest method to fix this: Track the reimbursements made (We know you have records CCP. Move them to low sec/nullsec unless they are already there. Avoid doing it in the future. Lift rule. Done.

Gustav Mannfred
Gallente
Die Missionrunner von heute
Posted - 2011.04.02 14:51:00 - [82]
 

what are whit selling over tradewindow?

Red Rose
Thundercats
Posted - 2011.04.02 21:03:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Gustav Mannfred
what are whit selling over tradewindow?


read my post 3 above? YARRRR!!

Rebel sTuFF
Rebel Inc
Posted - 2011.04.05 15:12:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Rebel sTuFF on 05/04/2011 15:16:55
sorry for the double post, somehow i think IE messed it up

Rebel sTuFF
Rebel Inc
Posted - 2011.04.05 15:16:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Gustav Mannfred
what are whit selling over tradewindow?


Is this question just for the sake of posting ?! Rolling Eyes

On a different note i totall agree with Aidan Patrick's post... from a customer care perspective point of view.
When you are dealing with an in-house issue over the customer, it's always reccomended to deal with your "in-house" issues and "do" something less agressive to the customer.

p.s. I refuse to belive that there is no way that CCP ca make the cap refunds in low sec....

Samuel Wess
Posted - 2011.04.16 11:17:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: Samuel Wess on 16/04/2011 11:17:29
Originally by: spongebobbb
Originally by: newport chill

but wait, aint these the same GMs who informed my m8 to use contracts to sell his mothership after he whined to them in a petetion that he wanted a more secure way.


or told me to leave a 280mill ship in high sec and bug of in my pod, instead of fixing a bug i had with low sec police.

tbh i somtimes wonder how 1/2 of them manage to turn thier pc on at work, or get dressed in the morning never mind do complex **** like not give people CAPITAL SHIPS back in a hihg sec system.

dont get me wrong i love eve and respect what a lot of the GMs do but somtimes they make me want to smash my head off a wall.

spongey




When they changed the shortcuts in one of the last patches i
found out that Alt-X doesn't work anymore for toggle moons on brackets, so i just petitioned (shortcut system is a maze anyway and i couldnt find it).

The answer was that i need to fill a bug report in order to get it fixed!!! Took a while to find out from a player that the shortcut has been actually changed to Alt-Shift-X.

So yes go go GM! Arent they required to read at least the game manual ??


Kyle Sebiestor
Posted - 2011.04.17 04:43:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Kyle Sebiestor on 17/04/2011 04:49:50
Yah, only read the first post.

Way around this:

1. Get a middle man
2. Have the capital transferred to middle man for free (not sold, so not illegal)
3. Have buyer donate money to middle man
4. Have middle man give each player their desired product for free (not sold, so not illegal)
5. ???
6. Profit

In this method nothing is being sold to anyone, but rather given, so no rules are being broken.

Disclaimer: Please do not misunderstand this post. I have no intention of actually doing this, nor do I have any intention to break rules set by CCP. This is simply an idea that I am sharing with others as a loophole around a rule. This technique is to be implemented at the risk of the user and I am not responsible for any account that may be punished for the use of this technique.

EDIT: Just read that petition that guy posted about capitals not being allowed to be traded at all in high-sec.

Trader Jen
Posted - 2011.05.16 03:42:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Kyle Sebiestor
Edited by: Kyle Sebiestor on 17/04/2011 04:49:50
Yah, only read the first post.

Way around this:

1. Get a middle man
2. Have the capital transferred to middle man for free (not sold, so not illegal)
3. Have buyer donate money to middle man
4. Have middle man give each player their desired product for free (not sold, so not illegal)
5. ???
6. Profit

In this method nothing is being sold to anyone, but rather given, so no rules are being broken.

Disclaimer: Please do not misunderstand this post. I have no intention of actually doing this, nor do I have any intention to break rules set by CCP. This is simply an idea that I am sharing with others as a loophole around a rule. This technique is to be implemented at the risk of the user and I am not responsible for any account that may be punished for the use of this technique.

EDIT: Just read that petition that guy posted about capitals not being allowed to be traded at all in high-sec.



make sure your middleman isnt Chribba though. Petition would be filed immediately. Also, CCP is failing hard with this ruling. All they need to do is move all reimbursed carriers to the character's last known low sec or 0.0 station dock, and lift the rule. This smacks of laziness on the part of the GM team.

SpitfireXVI Newark
Posted - 2011.05.27 11:35:00 - [89]
 

Cant find the full list of all Vessel types that are no longer a potential piece of profit for merchants entering the game.

This has to be cataloged some where.

I was planning on starting a battleship battle-cruiser/cruiser manufacture thing going right from high-sec, Exactly how hard was I hit?

Some one please post a list or,post a link?. This new player needs to catalog all the capital ships so I can recalculate free gameplay/reward viability.




Elvis Preslie
Posted - 2011.06.02 05:54:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: AtheistOfFail
Originally by: Chribba
Good change!

/c


Let's announce tomorrow as Free Cap Day. Everyone unsubs for 6 months. If CCP survives the Free Cap Day, we all come back to see all our assets (including capitals) in our clone station. Might not really be a bad idea.


It is illegal to organize a boycott, not ccp rules.


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