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Forever Jita
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:04:00 - [31]
 

This is particularly hilarious because it means any player that has a highsec cap can only transfer the cap between their own characters when they sell one. I hope everyone with an existing highsec cap has multiple X pilots!

PS: this is a terrible idea in large part because if you think people won't continue to trade them under the table you're delusional.

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2010.12.10 01:06:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Cambarus on 10/12/2010 05:31:27
Hooray for CCP being too lazy to deal with the scams that arise because of incompetent GMs (I mean really is it THAT hard to teach someone not to reimburse a capital ship to highsec?). Let's get rid of another one of the things that make the game interesting.

Here's an idea: why not just reverse the damn trade+ban the scammer who sells an illegally acquired highsec cap? I mean come on, scamming someone by abusing the stupidity of a GM should be a bannable offense, but punishing those of us who were working towards (or invested in and are looking to sell) highsec caps because you're too damn lazy/incompetent to do your job properly is ridiculous.

EDIT: I've gone and canceled this account as well (my main). Doubt it'll make a difference to CCP, but this is one of those things that really gets under my skin ugh If you can't train your employees not to make easily avoidable blunders like that "Hey guys, if you're going to reimburse a cap, make sure it's not going to highsec" then fix the damn problem, don't punish the people legitimately interested in the odd quirky things like that that make the game interesting.

Noun Verber
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.13 12:44:00 - [33]
 

This is the wrong way to deal with this problem. The problem is that the capitals entered high sec in the first place, not that they are traded.

Put in safeguards to prevent high sec reimbursements or put the rule of either buyer beware or classify high sec reimbursements as an exploit that will be reversed and the seller given a temporary ban.

Tassemet
Gallente
The Fiction Factory
Precision Gears
Posted - 2010.12.14 12:05:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Cambarus
Edited by: Cambarus on 10/12/2010 05:31:27
Hooray for CCP being too lazy to deal with the scams that arise because of incompetent GMs (I mean really is it THAT hard to teach someone not to reimburse a capital ship to highsec?). Let's get rid of another one of the things that make the game interesting.

Here's an idea: why not just reverse the damn trade+ban the scammer who sells an illegally acquired highsec cap? I mean come on, scamming someone by abusing the stupidity of a GM should be a bannable offense, but punishing those of us who were working towards (or invested in and are looking to sell) highsec caps because you're too damn lazy/incompetent to do your job properly is ridiculous.

EDIT: I've gone and canceled this account as well (my main). Doubt it'll make a difference to CCP, but this is one of those things that really gets under my skin ugh If you can't train your employees not to make easily avoidable blunders like that "Hey guys, if you're going to reimburse a cap, make sure it's not going to highsec" then fix the damn problem, don't punish the people legitimately interested in the odd quirky things like that that make the game interesting.


Can I haz your st00f? Very Happy

Telore Dragonsun
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.12.14 23:28:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Telore Dragonsun on 14/12/2010 23:28:59
Originally by: Cambarus
Edited by: Cambarus on 10/12/2010 05:31:27
Hooray for CCP being too lazy to deal with the scams that arise because of incompetent GMs (I mean really is it THAT hard to teach someone not to reimburse a capital ship to highsec?). Let's get rid of another one of the things that make the game interesting.

Here's an idea: why not just reverse the damn trade+ban the scammer who sells an illegally acquired highsec cap? I mean come on, scamming someone by abusing the stupidity of a GM should be a bannable offense, but punishing those of us who were working towards (or invested in and are looking to sell) highsec caps because you're too damn lazy/incompetent to do your job properly is ridiculous.



Second that, Whats next T2 BPO trading being banned as you didn't expect to have to stop issuing them?

Achurua
Posted - 2010.12.21 07:21:00 - [36]
 

what? eve has rules? since?

Stephanie Broadchest
Posted - 2010.12.22 01:58:00 - [37]
 

CCP fails!






Zoloft Rx
Posted - 2010.12.23 03:37:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Zoloft Rx on 23/12/2010 03:39:36
Originally by: Noun Verber
Put in safeguards to prevent high sec reimbursements


Sounds like the way to go. We cant light cyno's in highsec, why is it so hard to prevent GM's from moving caps into highsec? Shouldnt people who defraud ccp be punished? not the people playing the game the way it was intended?

Banning the trade of in-game goods sounds like CCP is acting like the stray cat thats ****ting in the eve sandbox.

Without warning, people are stuck with billions of isk lost in investing in the resale of legit high-sec caps, and others with absolutely no chance of ever obtaining a high-sec cap. This new rule is a nice little way to abandon a little more of your player base.


Kaaii
Caldari
Kaaii-Net Research Labs
KAAII-NET
Posted - 2010.12.24 10:31:00 - [39]
 

;p

newport chill
Posted - 2010.12.24 16:34:00 - [40]
 

Move all the caps to low sec and you dont have this problem anymore. Plain and simple. If they dont want to own the cap anymore after you move it to low sec they can sell it!

topkick
Posted - 2010.12.26 20:14:00 - [41]
 

first off i enjoy playing eve. i have been a pilot for a few yrs now. still have a lot of question but i have one today that maybe someone can answer for me. if i built a rorqual in high sec and never take it into low sec can that be allowed within the game mechanics?

Garythe
Posted - 2010.12.27 18:07:00 - [42]
 

Short of freighters and orcas and that one npc Caldari Leviathan in Luminaire, I thought you couldn't bring cap ships into high sec anyways.. Much less manufacture them in high sec. If I'm wrong please correct me with the right information. Since so much is left out for information in this game such as the skills required to set up an alliance, and apparently this new little tidbit.

Brakur Ualkin
Posted - 2010.12.29 07:25:00 - [43]
 

Since High-Sec capitals can no longer be sold they now have no value.

Therefore when the pilots of High-Sec capitals are sold in the character bazaar there is no reason the ship can't be transferred with them.

Right?

Galthatar Arctook
Posted - 2010.12.30 01:31:00 - [44]
 

Capital ships can't be sold in high sec- there goes the freighter building industry. Since one of the recent patches freighters are clearly defined by the market as Capital ships.

Further to that I guess I won't be able to run a freighter fleet to marginally improve the agility of the wallowing cows, because my main would also be in a freighter for these efforts and that will push leadership boosts across the fleet.

Many people of the care bear nature move into freighters, I wonder how many will be willing to travel to low sec to pick up a shiny new freighter?YARRRR!!

I think these interpretations are further examples of folks needing to think and communicate clear for public, game changing, announcements.Rolling Eyes

Galthatar Arctook
Posted - 2010.12.30 02:01:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Galthatar Arctook on 30/12/2010 02:03:56
Doh stupid iPad helped me double post:(

Jeff simply
Posted - 2010.12.30 16:39:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Galthatar Arctook
Capital ships can't be sold in high sec- there goes the freighter building industry. Since one of the recent patches freighters are clearly defined by the market as Capital ships.

Further to that I guess I won't be able to run a freighter fleet to marginally improve the agility of the wallowing cows, because my main would also be in a freighter for these efforts and that will push leadership boosts across the fleet.

Many people of the care bear nature move into freighters, I wonder how many will be willing to travel to low sec to pick up a shiny new freighter?YARRRR!!

I think these interpretations are further examples of folks needing to think and communicate clear for public, game changing, announcements.Rolling Eyes


Don't troll for the sake of it, freighters can use jump gates, thus enter hi-sec anyway- thus be legitimately sold in hi-sec.

Stop whining, if you have a cap ship in hi-sec you can petition to get it moved, then it is worth market value. What can you do other than show off with it anyway? You can't take it through jump gates, acceleration gates, and even if you could light cyno's in hi-sec, you couldn't jump as most hi-sec systems are too far apart from each other.

Izuru Hishido
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2010.12.31 03:05:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Galthatar Arctook
Capital ships can't be sold in high sec- there goes the freighter building industry. Since one of the recent patches freighters are clearly defined by the market as Capital ships.

Further to that I guess I won't be able to run a freighter fleet to marginally improve the agility of the wallowing cows, because my main would also be in a freighter for these efforts and that will push leadership boosts across the fleet.

Many people of the care bear nature move into freighters, I wonder how many will be willing to travel to low sec to pick up a shiny new freighter?YARRRR!!

I think these interpretations are further examples of folks needing to think and communicate clear for public, game changing, announcements.Rolling Eyes


Last I checked, a Freighter does not require the skill 'Capital Ships' to fly, thus it is not a capital ship, its just a really big flying box. Neither does it have a jump drive, like all other capital ships do, so your understanding of what a capital ship is obviously proves how much you know about what Grimmi just said.

What is forbidden to market is a Carrier, Dreadnought, Mothership or Titan class ship. I can't imagine any reason why CCP would prohibit the sale of freighters when they lack even the basic requirements to be called capital ships. They're just big. So...good going.

Incipus
Posted - 2011.01.01 20:52:00 - [48]
 

One of the most amusing aspects of eve is the "Wild west" feel. That there are few rules, and you have to be careful in trusting people. This isn't a protect the newbies thing, if you have the money/skills for a capital ship you should know better than this... What is the point?

Usually systematically making a system safer signals the downfall of a game. Just let the free market remain in my opinion.


Lady Australia
Posted - 2011.01.02 02:09:00 - [49]
 

Sometimes I wonder if CCP even know what their player base wants.....


P.S Old cyno effect plz.

Gizan
Hounds Of War
R-I-P
Posted - 2011.01.03 17:27:00 - [50]
 

No, we want our engine trails back...

spongebobbb
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.04 21:14:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: newport chill
Move all the caps to low sec and you dont have this problem anymore. Plain and simple. If they dont want to own the cap anymore after you move it to low sec they can sell it!


but people will whine and biatch because chribbas a special snowflake and has in the past had rules CHANGED just for him. see the 2008 incident they are on about.

id be all for this too' but really how difficult can it be to show GMs how to not reimburse thes to high sec.

but wait, aint these the same GMs who informed my m8 to use contracts to sell his mothership after he whined to them in a petetion that he wanted a more secure way.


or told me to leave a 280mill ship in high sec and bug of in my pod, instead of fixing a bug i had with low sec police.

tbh i somtimes wonder how 1/2 of them manage to turn thier pc on at work, or get dressed in the morning never mind do complex **** like not give people CAPITAL SHIPS back in a hihg sec system.

dont get me wrong i love eve and respect what a lot of the GMs do but somtimes they make me want to smash my head off a wall.

spongey


Devis Devine
Posted - 2011.01.07 00:11:00 - [52]
 

I think this is quite frankly bull****. It's EVE. The game where scamming is allowed and in some cases seems to be encouraged. If your going to tell me where I can sell items now then start banning the scammers.
I was just hacked and lost a lot of assets. Even after the isk refund I'm still short at least 5bil isk in just ships not to mention corp asset losses. CCP dosnt even try to rectify this issue. They think refunding the 30% isk value is good. This ****ed me off severely.
I managed to get my thanatos back that was self destructed during the hack (missing all the fittings) and the GM placed it in a HS system. So I am either going to sell it as a HS cap and recover my lost isk or I am going to be dropping all 4 of my accounts. I did not purposely try to scam a GM, it was his **** up not mine.
For a game with a free market they sure are trying to **** over vet players while focusing more on the carebears. This is bull****.
And I agree with an earlier post. I will contract it while I am in low sec or 0.0. therefore I will not be breaking their rule.

Friary
Posted - 2011.01.07 17:25:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Chribba
Good change!

/c

Doesn't this mean you no longer can use the Veldnaught as a giant secure can while mining?


I would assume that this rule applies in this case:

3. You may not use your capital ship’s attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.

Since this would give an advantage over miners using barges/hulks etc, it isn't allowed :)

Friary

Lord's Prophet
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
Posted - 2011.01.07 17:45:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Friary
Since this would give an advantage over miners using barges/hulks etc, it isn't allowed
you can mine twice as much ore with an osprey. also theres already orcas for shared hangars. so it's not gaining any advantage really.

SycoAlien
Posted - 2011.01.08 03:23:00 - [55]
 

4. You may not sell or put your capital up for sale while in high security space.

you know i was going over this rule. By this rule anyone caught putting their cap up on contract from a high sec system is therefore subject to these same rules and should be banned for 2 weeks.
Anyone else read these rules the same and agree?


CCP is starting to **** up the game with these rules they are trying to enforce lately

DennyUK
The First Dragons
Posted - 2011.01.08 04:20:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: DennyUK on 08/01/2011 04:22:36
Agreed. CCP is on crack

Originally by: Lady Australia


P.S Old cyno effect plz.

I second this... Idk how you can sit down with a pen and a notepad and write "Lets get rid of all the cool effects!" (YES im QQing. Blow Me)
PS: BRING BACK AoE Doomsday! (or fix the damn titans.. oh and making a faction titan is defiantly the wrong choice... PPS: Do some concept art before you design things)

Friary
Posted - 2011.01.08 21:44:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: SycoAlien
4. You may not sell or put your capital up for sale while in high security space.

you know i was going over this rule. By this rule anyone caught putting their cap up on contract from a high sec system is therefore subject to these same rules and should be banned for 2 weeks.
Anyone else read these rules the same and agree?



I disagree...it is referring to the Capital being in High sec space, as it is the subject of the sentence (You may not sell or put your capital...). If they meant the character, they would have put; ...your Capital up for sale when you are in....

Arden Elenduil
Minmatar
The League of Extraordinary Mentlegen
Posted - 2011.01.11 08:35:00 - [58]
 

Thanks for ruining my dream of ever owning one CCP
bah, spoilsports
Since they're now essentially worthless, why not give everyone the option to have one capital they provide themselves to be placed in highsec, subject to the same rules as the other highsec capitals

Tanith YarnDemon
Posted - 2011.01.11 16:41:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Arden Elenduil
Thanks for ruining my dream of ever owning one CCP
bah, spoilsports
Since they're now essentially worthless, why not give everyone the option to have one capital they provide themselves to be placed in highsec, subject to the same rules as the other highsec capitals


Because that would not only rob those of us who's only got one of the total value of them, but making them commonplace and worthless.

RuckaLucka Ali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.01.11 17:43:00 - [60]
 

Its ok guys i came up with a brilliant idea to blackmarket these ships without getting caught you should probebly mail me if you wanna know (hi ccp, no i dont care)


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