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GM Grimmi

Posted - 2010.11.30 17:03:00 - [1]
 

Capitals in high security space – we all remember the Chribba Veldnaught scare of 2008 and the rules we subsequently set for capitals in high sec. Well, we are now adding one more item to the rule set. This new rule prohibits the sales of capital ships in high security space. Many of the capitals currently in high security space have been mistakenly moved there through reimbursement and so and there have been cases where the owners have seen this as a golden opportunity to sell their capitals at extremely high prices to players who don‘t necessarily know too much about the rules for capitals in high sec. No more, we say, no more. Sales of capital ships in high sec are hereby prohibited, be it on the regular market or through the contract system.

Here are the updated rules for capital ships in high sec:


1. Capital ships may under no circumstances be used for aggression.

2. If at war, or with war declaration pending, you may not take your capital ship out of station.

3. You may not use your capital ship’s attributes to gain any sort of advantage over other players while in high security space.

4. You may not sell or put your capital up for sale while in high security space.

5. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.



Please be sure to stick to those rules if you have a capital ship in high sec or else we’ll be forced to move it down to low sec.

AtheistOfFail
AoF Lottery Services
Posted - 2010.11.30 17:35:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 30/11/2010 17:40:11
So, either get a reimbursed one or we have to ask a buddy for a free one?

PS: Why are capitals reimbursed in high sec anyways? There's no point since they are mostly used a warships. Does this mean a bugged capital/lost capital due to bugs is somehow better than a normal capital?

PSS: Does this mean we can file petitions to have our capitals moved to high sec since there is no reason to keep them out now? (no profit, and no harm as long the rules are followed).
The only way to get one now is to unsub for 6 months. I'm sure CCP's wallet can take the hit but would you want to?

DmitryEKT
Clandestine.
Posted - 2010.11.30 17:41:00 - [3]
 

Well to answer one of your questions AoF, reimbursements automatically go to the last station you were in, or something like that, so it can set up conditions where you'd just get them in hisec.

Grimmi, are we allowed to non-sell trade them, like giving them free to friends? Or is it that only the current owners may keep them and if they give them to anyone they get moved out to losec?

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2010.11.30 19:18:00 - [4]
 

Good change!

/c

AtheistOfFail
AoF Lottery Services
Posted - 2010.11.30 19:34:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Chribba
Good change!

/c


Let's announce tomorrow as Free Cap Day. Everyone unsubs for 6 months. If CCP survives the Free Cap Day, we all come back to see all our assets (including capitals) in our clone station. Might not really be a bad idea.

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2010.11.30 19:39:00 - [6]
 

I per default assume that the rules still applies as to the origins of said ships - eg reimbursed ships gets moved to low-sec. And only the "original" ones are allowed to stay...

AtheistOfFail
AoF Lottery Services
Posted - 2010.11.30 19:41:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 30/11/2010 19:41:01
Originally by: Chribba
I per default assume that the rules still applies as to the origins of said ships - eg reimbursed ships gets moved to low-sec. And only the "original" ones are allowed to stay...


Nah. let's just all unsub for half a year. The market will be pummeled and hell, the plex prices might even go down.

STILL ♥ YA CCP!

PS: I am in full troll mode now.

thelung187
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.30 21:18:00 - [8]
 

Long-time coming, well done.

Gofer AZ
Posted - 2010.11.30 23:02:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Chribba

I per default assume that the rules still applies as to the origins of said ships - eg reimbursed ships gets moved to low-sec. And only the "original" ones are allowed to stay...



Where is written: that capital ship is "original" and allowed to stey in high sec? Maybe my capital was manufactured in high sec before your but i wosn't spoke about this.

Originally by: GM Grimmi

4. You may not sell or put your capital up for sale while in high security space.

5. Breach any of the above and receive 2 weeks ban and off to low sec with your capital.



Why i can't buy or sell items where i have that items? No possibility to normal usage item in high sec is not a reason to not allow trade this item there (for example "Gjallarhorn"). What will be next? Maybe some rules about strategic cruiser - no posibility to sell this in low and hig sec station. Why not, that is more powerfull then HAC but easier train this (epic lol).If i want spend 10 B isk for capital in high sec why that can't be possible? Maybe will beter when somebody start ban scamers.
I think CCP want EvE world expansion but that rules make universe smaller.
Best regards

Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2010.12.01 06:19:00 - [10]
 

Lol, Chribba approves. Big shock since he already some. Rolling Eyes

I have to say I disagree with this change. They're collectible items that now have (depending how you look at it) have either become worthless or priceless.

I would have liked to own one one day. But I guess you have to babysit the 'tards at the expense of the vets.

<--- posting with main, yes, shock horror.

Loney
CyberDyne R-D
Posted - 2010.12.01 06:45:00 - [11]
 

Quote:
4. You may not sell or put your capital up for sale while in high security space.

CyberDyne R-D now offers WTT packages for HIGH SEC Capital Ships! I assume this is good?

Antspire
Posted - 2010.12.01 16:20:00 - [12]
 

so we can't use Caps in case of a Sansha invasion in high sec? :(

Gandar Kimokanen
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.12.01 20:23:00 - [13]
 

Trade me your hi-sec capitals for free pleaseugh

Eton Favre
Posted - 2010.12.01 23:18:00 - [14]
 

This really seems like a poorly thought out solution. So the sales threads were the main way that reimbursed caps were reported to CCP. So instead CCP ignore the fact that they get reimbursed incorrectly in highsec, screw over everyone with legit ones, and anyone would like to own one, by making them against the rules to sell?
 
Seems a better solution would be to add a new item  High Sec cap ship license. Issue it to all of the legit High Sec caps.  Item has to stay in the cargohold of the ship. Without the item in the cargohold at downtime the ship is moved to low sec. This would eliminate the issue of caps getting reimbursed and trying to be resold without hurting those players with legit ones.
 
Just seems a shame to keep screwing over the older players that have stuck around for years and been loyal customers.  We were told when the change to (X-Large now) large assembly arrays  were no longer able to be anchored in high sec that existing ones would be allowed until taken down. Intro the rorq in Revelations 2.2 and well those all get unanchored by gms . People should be rewarded for playing a long time, not penalized because it is unfair to the new people…..
 
I own 3 high sec caps ( that I worked my butt off to build legit)

TooFatToFish
Posted - 2010.12.02 21:10:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: TooFatToFish on 02/12/2010 21:10:42
TLDR

We dont feel like moderating, so any use of capitals in highsec will be punished.

Khalia Nestune
Mad Stacks
Posted - 2010.12.03 04:17:00 - [16]
 

Seriously? This is EVE, where if someone scams you, you have to suck it up and deal with it.

I personally hoped, one day, to buy a hisec cap just to *SAY* I had one. Now you've screwed me of that chance. Thanks CCP! Crying or Very sad

Iella Wesirri
Caldari
Dead Rats Tell No Tales
Posted - 2010.12.03 22:25:00 - [17]
 

I too had dreams of one day owning a highsec cap. I finally have the money to do so thanks to Somer Blink. Thanks for crushing my oldest EvE dream CCP.

Prince Althran
Posted - 2010.12.04 11:21:00 - [18]
 

does this mean that if a capital is built in hight sec it cant be used for agretion then

Hybok
Posted - 2010.12.06 00:31:00 - [19]
 

welcome aboard , if you know what i mean Laughing

Zelot Blueice
XTC Cartel
Posted - 2010.12.06 03:41:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Zelot Blueice on 06/12/2010 03:42:34
Despite this sh*t thread I will continue to trade capitals that are in highsec because they still have value. I am done with CCP in this respect. Lately it seems they are trying to stop scamming? It appears all the newbs are QQing too much.

Edit: PM Me if you want to start an underground black market for HS capitals.

DmitryEKT
Clandestine.
Posted - 2010.12.06 08:56:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Zelot Blueice
Despite this sh*t thread I will continue to trade capitals that are in highsec because they still have value. I am done with CCP in this respect. Lately it seems they are trying to stop scamming? It appears all the newbs are QQing too much.

Edit: PM Me if you want to start an underground black market for HS capitals.
Posting in a thread started by a GM, saying that you're going to break the rules posted by that GM... you, sir, are on your way to a Darwin award.

Kagan Storm
Caldari
Syndicated Systems
Posted - 2010.12.07 06:44:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Kagan Storm on 07/12/2010 06:47:20
Edited by: Kagan Storm on 07/12/2010 06:44:28
Originally by: GM Grimmi

4. You may not sell or put your capital up for sale while in high security space.



This translates to "the seller at the moment of transaction has to be in lov sec or 0.0 sec or wormhole space"

I totaly aggre with this... only the buy person should be in high sec... where the ship is.... seller must always bee in non high sec....

I kinda think this has something to do so oyu have to trade the ship over contracts...

I will applay by this rule :)

Epic fail at trying to rule-lawyer....


P.S:Eve is going to hell cause GM-s post without reading what they post.... or beeing lazy and just copy pasting stuff... like the eve code...

P.P.s: this is the most dumest thing anybodey ever did.... stop scam with emposing ban on only legacy eve has and new players can get..... If you do this also ban trading manufacturing copying and owning of T2 BPOS..... i dont think you have teh balls to **** off 300 people.... or are tehe 40-50 that have high sec capitals just a start of something?

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.12.07 12:51:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Chribba
Good change!

/c

Doesn't this mean you no longer can use the Veldnaught as a giant secure can while mining?

Lord's Servant
Amarr
Hard Rock Mining Co.
The Jagged Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.08 11:48:00 - [24]
 

I somehow get the feeling that I am the reason behind this.

Sorry bout this everyone...I just think that GM's got tired of ppl borderline scamming with reimbursed caps by talking with newer GM's and getting them "legitimized." The older GM's see this and then have to deal with the fallout of dealing with newer GM's responses, and round and round it goes.

GM's hate dealing with ridiculous reimbursements cause one party wasnt honest with the other. Not naming names here, but as my case happened slightly before this, Im gonna guess its the catalyst for this change.

-Lords

PS-Not saying mine is the only, just prob the most PITA, and Im sure there've been many before mine and GM's are just tired of it. :P

Cherax Quadricarinatus
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:47:00 - [25]
 

Confirming that this account was just canceled because CCP is too lazy to look after scammers and so they decide instead to remove the goal I had been working towards. Bang up job guys, really.

AtheistOfFail
AoF Lottery Services
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:59:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Cherax Quadricarinatus
Confirming that this account was just canceled because CCP is too lazy to look after scammers and so they decide instead to remove the goal I had been working towards. Bang up job guys, really.


Sad to hear that bud. If you have any left over stuff, i'd love to have it but i'm not big on "can i haz your stuff". I might do the same.

"I have a dream, of my Chimera sitting in a noobie system and scaring the noobs that undock"

Ariz Black
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:06:00 - [27]
 

If you want to scare noobs on undock, get in a blackops and use the portal generator... the graphic on it is a huge wormhole, almost as big as a station, it's a bit ridiculous... and you can use it in hisec so long as your cyno alt is in a losec that's in range...

Kryhane
Gallente
New Eden Experiments
Posted - 2010.12.08 20:36:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: GM Grimmi
we all remember the Chribba Veldnaught scare of 2008


For those us who don't, can someone elaborate?

AtheistOfFail
AoF Lottery Services
Posted - 2010.12.08 21:29:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Ariz Black
If you want to scare noobs on undock, get in a blackops and use the portal generator... the graphic on it is a huge wormhole, almost as big as a station, it's a bit ridiculous... and you can use it in hisec so long as your cyno alt is in a losec that's in range...


Doesn't that burn fuel? Also, might I invite random noobs to right click and Jump! Laughing

Ariz Black
Posted - 2010.12.09 08:50:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Ariz Black on 09/12/2010 08:50:46
Originally by: AtheistOfFail
Doesn't that burn fuel? Also, might I invite random noobs to right click and Jump!
It burns something like 50? liquid ozone - around the same price as 5 faction bullets. Nothing really. If someone was to jump it would use a few topes but just for opening the portal the only cost is the LO spent by your cyno ship - and keep in mind covert cynos use less fuel than normal ones.

e: and as for jumping, they'ed have to be a) in a ship capable of fiting a covop cloak (ie, not a noob) and b) in fleet with you, and I don't think you'd want to give them a free pass as jumping onto your generally quite vulnerable cyno ship.


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