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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2010.11.29 06:46:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Cmdr Baxter
Edited by: Cmdr Baxter on 29/11/2010 05:39:16
I'm active-duty US military. While the average American may not care about these documents, I strongly believe that their publication is going to negatively affect our diplomatic relations overseas. I strongly suspect that this release may cause some foreign governments to scale back their diplomatic cooperation with us, will likely inflame tensions in the Middle East (outing Sunni governments for advocating attacks on a Shiite government is sure to win them widespread public favor ... not!), and in summary is going to create more problems for the US at a time when we don't need any more issues.

Personally, I think Assange has guaranteed himself some serious jail time. Therefore, I hope the US government pursues him to the fullest extent of the law, for having broken the law by publishing these documents. I'm sure he'll be looking at a nice, long, jail sentence.



So you don't think the drone attacks, the checkpoint incidents, and the rest of the effects of occupation don't negatively affect diplomatic relations overseas?
And I address only the tip of the iceberg.


I hope Assange, who I don't fully trust, gets a Freedom Medal or whatever they call that stupid trinket these days.
Just to **** you off.



Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.11.29 06:55:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Sergeant Spot
The Chinese go ballistic at the drop of a hat. Just one example: Imagin if wikileaks published a few documents showing the chinese behaving badly in Tibet? The North Koreans LOOK for opportunities to be offended so they can kill people.


The Chinese government holds mass public executions of citizens on a weekly basis for even minor crimes, in stadiums, after driving them through cities on flatbed trucks for everyone to see, then send the remaining family the bill for the bullet. That might be the worst thing any country does, and they openly admit it. And last i checked they still screw with Tibet on a regular basis, even though people tell them to stop and disagree with it. The Chinese government straight up doesn't care what Bono or world leaders think of what they do, they just do what they want and make no apologies.

North Korea also doesn't really care. Most of the citizens are starving or living on foreign aid, while they literally spend all their money on a possible attempt to unify North and South Korea. They're not trying to convince anyone they're humanitarians. They're still ****ed off at the US for splitting the country up and have war on their minds. They're not pretending anything else is going on, or pretending to be buddies with the US. What you see is what they are.

Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
Posted - 2010.11.29 08:09:00 - [33]
 

It's highly entertaining. It's like X-factor, Weakest Link, Coronation Street and The Apprentice all rolled into one, but real and better.

There's nothing very surprising in there though, but I bet that won't stop the Middle East going ape-plops with each other.

ceaon
Posted - 2010.11.29 11:05:00 - [34]
 

i want next stuff to be released by wikileaks if they ever get documents related
a report about total amount of gold USA have n fort knox
report about food export from african countrys that get food aid
nuclear related stuff
**** account details
total amount of guns/ammo soviet union left in Transnistria and how much was sold
climate change manipulation whit sulfur

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2010.11.29 11:13:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Vogue on 29/11/2010 11:18:35
I think the Chinese are like the Minbari from Babylon 5. On the surface a gentle and thoughtful tribe, rich with history. But if you are sharp with them and insult their 'honour' they will emo rage and the do all sorts of convoluted distanced actions to exact revenge.

I am particularly interested in articles about mystery man Hu Jintao.

I have downloaded an archive (torrent) of the 'full site' and started doing text searches.

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.11.29 11:25:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Cmdr Baxter
Edited by: Cmdr Baxter on 29/11/2010 05:39:16
I'm active-duty US military. While the average American may not care about these documents, I strongly believe that their publication is going to negatively affect our diplomatic relations overseas. I strongly suspect that this release may cause some foreign governments to scale back their diplomatic cooperation with us, will likely inflame tensions in the Middle East (outing Sunni governments for advocating attacks on a Shiite government is sure to win them widespread public favor ... not!), and in summary is going to create more problems for the US at a time when we don't need any more issues.

Personally, I think Assange has guaranteed himself some serious jail time. Therefore, I hope the US government pursues him to the fullest extent of the law, for having broken the law by publishing these documents. I'm sure he'll be looking at a nice, long, jail sentence.

Oh hey I know, if you don't want your diplomatic relations negatively affected you probably shouldn't do stupid **** that makes people mad at you? Not that there's a nation on earth who adheres to that doctrine.
Originally by: Sergeant Spot

As for how such documents are gained, well, if wikileaks is serious about making the world a better place, they'll need some dedictaed agents willing to risk death and torture. If they don't bother, then their morals are fake, and its all about them feeling self important regardless of who gets hurt and regardless of how much damage they do.



Wikileaks is a news source, not a privately run intelligence agency. I'm sure that they'd be delighted if someone sent in the state secrets of North Korea just as I'm sure that that's very unlikely to happen.

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2010.11.29 14:02:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Bhaal
Ya know what, most ppl don't care about Wikileaks or the dork who runs it...

Only thing I find interesting is pretty much everyone hates Iran, even all of their neighbors. Some of whom would like nothing more than to have the USA wipe them off the planet, and then publically state how wrong the USA was for doing so.


LOL this.

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2010.11.29 14:10:00 - [38]
 

I have to say after all the revelations I'm still waiting to facepalm harder than when I read this.

"A man involved in talks with the Afghan government purporting to be the Taliban's number two Mullah Akhtar Muhammad Mansour was reportedly an impostor -- a "lowly shopkeeper" from Quetta, Baluchistan, according to Western and Afghan officials (NYT, Post, AP). The impostor was reportedly flown to Kabul on British military aircraft for at least two meetings, is said to have met with Afghan President Hamid Karzai, and was given "a lot of money" to persuade him to talk part in the talks."

Took me a while to stop laughing...Razz

Greup
Posted - 2010.11.29 14:20:00 - [39]
 

It would be entertaining if Wikileaks would get their hands on what diplomats from across the globe wrote about George W Bush. That would be very very entertaining reading. Laughing

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2010.11.29 14:33:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Greup
It would be entertaining if Wikileaks would get their hands on what diplomats from across the globe wrote about George W Bush. That would be very very entertaining reading. Laughing


pretty sure that stuff is posted all over the internet already Laughing

Soma Khan
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.29 17:03:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Soma Khan on 29/11/2010 18:26:46
Originally by: Culmen

I just so happen to consider giving the names of Taliban informants to be the height of Doucebaggery.

Nothing says I am a Douche like pointlessly risking somebodies life.
anyone who chooses to work with the terrorists of either side of that conflict takes their life in their hands. by your own admission they're all a bunch of douches

Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
Posted - 2010.11.29 17:20:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk


All these ass holes should be in jail.
If it isn't illegal - it should be.



So what youre saying is that if a nation do something criminal and then hide it behind secrecy, people who expose criminal actions done my government should be arrested?

You know, thats the difference between criminal nations and democratic ones. And I like to think a democratic nation dont do such thing.


Oneiros IV
Minmatar
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.11.29 18:11:00 - [43]
 

Funny thing about humanity today that no matter what actual content is, be that truth or no it will be percieved as just another TV show. Because ordinary people can't and won't react differently.

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.11.29 18:14:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Oneiros IV
Funny thing about humanity today that no matter what actual content is, be that truth or no it will be percieved as just another TV show. Because ordinary people can't and won't react differently.


Well said.

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2010.11.29 18:26:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Vogue on 29/11/2010 18:29:05
^^^ Fox news thought police on the case. copy pasta

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Top Republican congressman calls on the State Department to designate WikiLeaks as a 'foreign terrorist organization,' as he and other lawmakers demand the White House find a way to prosecute founder Julian Assange in the wake of the group's latest document dump.


baltec1
Posted - 2010.11.29 18:38:00 - [46]
 

Fox news,always good for a laugh.

Nyu Shin
Posted - 2010.11.29 19:17:00 - [47]
 


"Over half your news is spin...The Daily Telegraph (Rupert Murdoch) came out on top of the league ladder with 70% of stories analysed triggered by public relations"


50% of your news is spin

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.11.29 19:27:00 - [48]
 

Blah, blah, blah...
Wikileaks is so 2009, who cares about that crap site anyways anymore?

Tora Nevaal
Posted - 2010.11.29 20:07:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Tora Nevaal on 29/11/2010 20:19:07
If invading one country who did nothing to antagonize us, and another who simply harbored people who antagonized us didn't bring the nukes raining down, I highly doubt that a few mean words said in what amounts to a troll between bored diplomats is going to hurt the image of America.

Having said that, I believe that all information that affects people on an international scale should be free and open. I applaud wikileaks for what they do, regardless of their motives our their target.

realistically though, if it doesn't involve a pop stars vajay-jay, or the latest sports star to go to prison then no one is going to care.

Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.11.29 21:01:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
I seem to recall certain government spokespersons saying that the innocent have nothing to hide, so I dont see how this can be any kind of problem.

Everybody has something to hide...
Twisted Evil

Izzy Lizzy
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.11.29 21:12:00 - [51]
 

I don't think wikileaks is as objective as they try to act. Regardless, I side with all who try to undermine the authority of the all powerful State.

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2010.11.29 21:16:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Vogue on 29/11/2010 21:17:45
/serious face

I want a pic and details of Gaddafi’s Ukranian nurse that has big knockers and other top secrets!

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Ava Starfire
Minmatar
Teraa Matar
Posted - 2010.11.29 22:58:00 - [53]
 

The fact that some of the stuff leaked by WikiLeaks contains evidence of outright illegal activities, ordered by some of our highest officials, would hopefully spark investigations of those named, and that they be held accountable....but, they wont be.

As the granddaughter of Gypsies displaced during World War II, all I can say is...no, doing whatever you "feel is warranted to protect national security" is not Ok.

Feilamya
Pain Elemental
Posted - 2010.11.29 23:42:00 - [54]
 

Wikileaks are trolls. They are successfully trolling politicians, governments and, most of all, the commercial media, who reveal their own uselessness by their reactions. This is worth more than the content of leaked documents, which nobody is going to read anyway.

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2010.11.29 23:47:00 - [55]
 

Ah well I am but an individual posting on internet spaceships forums. Not like I can tell world leaders to take it and shove it up their ass ugh

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2010.11.29 23:52:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: ShahFluffers on 29/11/2010 23:54:07
Originally by: Bhaal
Ya know what, most ppl don't care about Wikileaks or the dork who runs it...

Only thing I find interesting is pretty much everyone hates Iran, even all of their neighbors. Some of whom would like nothing more than to have the USA wipe them off the planet, and then publically state how wrong the USA was for doing so.


Ehhh... as someone who's family comes from Iran that doesn't surprise me at all (only thing I'm surprised by is that people actually thought it was a SECRET). People there still get all ****y and personal about slight cultural/religious differences (i.e. Sunnis don't like Shi'ites, Arabs don't like Persians, and vice versa) centuries after the schism(s) actually happened.
Honestly, they should all just take a page out of European history and learn to live and let be.


As for Wikileaks... I'm torn.

On one hand, I love the fact that so much hypocrisy and secrecy is being revealed. In a so-called republic/democracy withholding information and keeping people ignorant about what is being done in their name (be it good or bad) is [to me] a slap in the face to anyone who actually CARES. No doubt that Ben Franklin is turning in his grave.

On the other hand, I understand the value of withholding certain information in certain situations. Information can be damaging and/or misconstrued if put into the wrong context.

I will be watching this closely.

Bodrul
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.11.30 01:26:00 - [57]
 

lets see, US apache incident, killing civilians (that would never have seen day if it wasnt for wiki leaks,

Saudi calling for Iran to be attacked in secret (the leaders of the country are on a hairs string with their people)

and so forth.

People who commit crimes should be accountable for them, despite who they are.



Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.30 05:18:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Bodrul
lets see, US apache incident, killing civilians (that would never have seen day if it wasnt for wiki leaks,

Saudi calling for Iran to be attacked in secret (the leaders of the country are on a hairs string with their people)

and so forth.

People who commit crimes should be accountable for them, despite who they are.





Your ignorance is showing. Those gunships waited over a hour to fire, at first thinking the news guys were being held by the terrorists. Once it became obvious that they were hanging with them willingly, they ceased to be a concern. Don't want to get shot?, don't CHOOSE to walk around a war zone with terrorists.

Wikileaks knew that, but figured they could spin it to reflect badly on the U.S.


Benny Hill
Caldari
General Thrusters
Posted - 2010.11.30 05:38:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Benny Hill on 30/11/2010 05:38:34
The problem with Wikileaks is that they have no credibility. It is run by a rapist and are funded by a leftist organization which is a puppet of George Soros. And the source of the war documents comes from a soldier on suicide watch suffering from depression after his homosexual relationship ended that made him hate society and then the military over its homosexual policy, while he pursued other leftist groups funded by George Soros. There is no way to even confirm whether the released documents are even legitimate, or what documents are missing that put others in context.

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2010.11.30 09:22:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Sergeant Spot
Your ignorance is showing. Those gunships waited over a hour to fire, at first thinking the news guys were being held by the terrorists. Once it became obvious that they were hanging with them willingly, they ceased to be a concern. Don't want to get shot?, don't CHOOSE to walk around a war zone with terrorists.

Wikileaks knew that, but figured they could spin it to reflect badly on the U.S.


Did you even WATCH that video ? ugh
I might overlook that fact that walking around with a weapon in wartorn Bagdad is apparently a death sentence, but gunning down unarmed people loading wounded into cars ? Get real man.






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