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Justicia Ciega
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:49:00 - [241]
 

Originally by: Nayane
Originally by: SherlockHoles


I think he wants a free noctis with a bpo in its cargohold....delivered to his hangar.


No I don't want a free noctis + bpo,

My character is now about 3.5 yrs old and have about 8.7 mil SP and I always said to myself, that I won't go into pvp until I'm atleast around 30-50m SP


does look like you are doing it wrong. Mine is over a year old and has 25m sp. Its like life...you get what you put into it. If after 3.5 years you have 8.7m sp.....you need to ask yourself how can I improve....and when you figure that out im sure little things like the price of a salvager wont make you lose sleep.


And the reason why it only have 8.7m SP, cause I simply can't afford to pay consecutive months to play this game unfortunate :) Though I have been training alot in the last month and went from 7m to 8.7m :) Which isn't too bad for my own goals :) I knew someone would make a remark about the CharAge + SP Amount, but it's no other way, no matter how u look at it :)




So what you are saying is that all new ships should be made affordable to all casual players that log in a month or 2 every year ?

Luca Ofcourse
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:49:00 - [242]
 

Originally by: Arra Lith
Blah lot of changes made to items hangar, but still it is not possible to diffentiate blueprint copies and orginals :(


Yes, I would like to see something as well to destinguish originals from copies.
Even if it was just a 'C' of an 'O' in the top corner, like T2 or T3 items.
Right now I need to use 'show info' on each blueprint to see if it's the copy or if it's the actual original.

Apart from that, I think CCP has put in some very usefull stuff in this patch.
Now just hope everything works as intended (no pun intendedRazz)

Zekyll
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:50:00 - [243]
 

Originally by: Nayane

No I don't want a free noctis + bpo, what I mean is that the ships can also be in the market on a fixed price decided by CCP. and about the pvp part I never liked PvP and I never even played WoW on P2P servers due various reasons, which I won't enlighten atm, otherwise I'm getting offtopic and nobody cares anyhow :P

But still, IF the ship going for take or less 150 mil (Just a random number) Wouldn't it be a bit expensive, if u compare it towards the required skills, which u can train within ehh 2 to 3 days (More or less, dunno the exact numbers, but it's a rough guess) My character is now about 3.5 yrs old and have about 8.7 mil SP and I always said to myself, that I won't go into pvp until I'm atleast around 30-50m SP I know the mainbase is PvP in this game, but atleast people that don't want to PvP from the start and just enjoy the game are still safe to somewhat of a degree. Now I'm not saying all this cause I'm greedy, cause I'm definetly not greedy, but I said this before, this new ship and if it's with every new ship added, means that only the rich people can get it first, while the younger players (Character's Age) Are left out, cause they simply can't afford it or are strong enough to get it, cause some people are podding people to be the only ones that can get towards the bpo. I know this is the system, but wouldn't it be fair that all players can enjoy the new content, without having to wait lets say 2 to 4 months orso?

Dude, two weeks from now you will be able to buy the damn ship for 50 million basically anywhere in the galaxy. How much easier do you wanna make it?

Some people prefer to have a game that has some challenge and long term goals, and where you can't get everything during the first day of playing.

T1nyMan
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:50:00 - [244]
 

auto downloading client now

disbghey
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:50:00 - [245]
 

Well, I've now d/l and installed Incursion.

All that needs to happen now is for the cluster to accept my friggin connection!


Ifestos Vulcan
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:52:00 - [246]
 

Originally by: Luca Ofcourse
Originally by: Arra Lith
Blah lot of changes made to items hangar, but still it is not possible to diffentiate blueprint copies and orginals :(


Yes, I would like to see something as well to destinguish originals from copies.
Even if it was just a 'C' of an 'O' in the top corner, like T2 or T3 items.
Right now I need to use 'show info' on each blueprint to see if it's the copy or if it's the actual original.

Apart from that, I think CCP has put in some very usefull stuff in this patch.
Now just hope everything works as intended (no pun intendedRazz)


Think i read somewhere that to make them different would cause more strain on the server than it is worth..or something...

WaliWorld
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:53:00 - [247]
 

Originally by: Nayane
Originally by: SherlockHoles


I think he wants a free noctis with a bpo in its cargohold....delivered to his hangar.


No I don't want a free noctis + bpo,

My character is now about 3.5 yrs old and have about 8.7 mil SP and I always said to myself, that I won't go into pvp until I'm atleast around 30-50m SP


does look like you are doing it wrong. Mine is over a year old and has 25m sp. Its like life...you get what you put into it. If after 3.5 years you have 8.7m sp.....you need to ask yourself how can I improve....and when you figure that out im sure little things like the price of a salvager wont make you lose sleep.


And the reason why it only have 8.7m SP, cause I simply can't afford to pay consecutive months to play this game unfortunate :) Though I have been training alot in the last month and went from 7m to 8.7m :) Which isn't too bad for my own goals :) I knew someone would make a remark about the CharAge + SP Amount, but it's no other way, no matter how u look at it :)


you somehow made a long post longer without adding much more to it Neutral
you must be a ninja,
seriously though dude, first thats your problem to deal with, either this game is worth a perry's steakhouse diner per month or it aint, second, waiting til god knows when to get into something you have no understand of, thinking sheer time will prepare you is just stupid, either try it or dont, and you know 30-50mil SP is a long time to wait before you start putting any SP into pvp skills ugh

Jimnoo
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:53:00 - [248]
 

Originally by: Nayane
No I don't want a free noctis + bpo, what I mean is that the ships can also be in the market on a fixed price decided by CCP.


You do know that all the ships you buy are made by other players, don't you? They can sell them for whatever price they want. High competition generally keeps prices low. The fact that Eve's economy is player driven is one of the main selling points of Eve.

Originally by: Nayane
But still, IF the ship going for take or less 150 mil (Just a random number) Wouldn't it be a bit expensive


Really? Really? You think this is a good point.

But [this random number I made up] is too high.

viral insanity
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:53:00 - [249]
 

if they are doing away with skill books how do you train new skills ..spme books were way to expensive to purchase anyway

HoWaa
Gallente
Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:54:00 - [250]
 

RAGESTORM !!!!

Con Ton
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:54:00 - [251]
 

Edited by: Con Ton on 30/11/2010 13:57:38
So we will have to download the whole game again? It isn't going to offer me a chance to download a new on from the log in screen?

Dave

Never mind I have it now

WaliWorld
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:56:00 - [252]
 

Edited by: WaliWorld on 30/11/2010 13:57:11
Originally by: HoWaa
RAGESTORM !!!!


meh, check 4chan right now.

edit: ok its ~3min from officially late

De Zoeker
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:57:00 - [253]
 

Client patched and waiting, go go CCP Guru's YARRRR!!

WaliWorld
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:58:00 - [254]
 

Edited by: WaliWorld on 30/11/2010 14:00:09
Edited by: WaliWorld on 30/11/2010 13:59:16
Originally by: De Zoeker
Client patched and waiting, go go CCP Guru's YARRRR!!


lemme reload,

edit: ah hells yeah! no wonder nobody's posting
edit: nope nvm

HoWaa
Gallente
Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:59:00 - [255]
 

Originally by: WaliWorld
Originally by: HoWaa
RAGESTORM !!!!


meh, check 4chan right now.

lolololol i just saw servers will first come on 14:30ET which made me very sad, and raged

ZENO DRAGON
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:59:00 - [256]
 


Please help me to understand your concern.

People with 390 million and a willingness to pick up the BPO will buy them. Ignoring crazy prices in the first week, they will then make and sell the ships for a small profit. This small profit compensates them for the risk of moving a BPO and the effort of research and manufacturing. You get to buy the ship for a small amount higher tha mineral cost.

What exactly should be different?



I think he wants a free noctis with a bpo in its cargohold....delivered to his hangar.


No I don't want a free noctis + bpo, what I mean is that the ships can also be in the market on a fixed price decided by CCP. and about the pvp part I never liked PvP and I never even played WoW on P2P servers due various reasons, which I won't enlighten atm, otherwise I'm getting offtopic and nobody cares anyhow :P

But still, IF the ship going for take or less 150 mil (Just a random number) Wouldn't it be a bit expensive, if u compare it towards the required skills, which u can train within ehh 2 to 3 days (More or less, dunno the exact numbers, but it's a rough guess) My character is now about 3.5 yrs old and have about 8.7 mil SP and I always said to myself, that I won't go into pvp until I'm atleast around 30-50m SP I know the mainbase is PvP in this game, but atleast people that don't want to PvP from the start and just enjoy the game are still safe to somewhat of a degree. Now I'm not saying all this cause I'm greedy, cause I'm definetly not greedy, but I said this before, this new ship and if it's with every new ship added, means that only the rich people can get it first, while the younger players (Character's Age) Are left out, cause they simply can't afford it or are strong enough to get it, cause some people are podding people to be the only ones that can get towards the bpo. I know this is the system, but wouldn't it be fair that all players can enjoy the new content, without having to wait lets say 2 to 4 months orso?


i don t know how long u play eve...i play for the last 6 months and within these 6 months first thing i noticed is that first thing that ccp do is give the old players somethin...while givin the newbies nothin or actually takin somethin and make life harder for them...i am not complaining...i m just doin my missions and rattin and whatever else is in the game....just wanted to make a point....to all u ppl that think ccp is unfair...they are unfair to newbies...but then again....the game itself is unfair to newbies..thats the nature of eve,don t know how much ccp wants to get new players in but i can personally say i got 4 friends of mine hooked to the game and they ve all quit due to ...and months and years of training and veterans gettin all the goodies in a patch or somethin....practically for the first year at least a newbie is a deadman walking..or ...flyin
anyway...gettin back to the ppl that find this and that unfair...why don t u all make a corp..cos there is LOTS LOTS of ppl who find some things unfair....and quit eve for couple months...i m curious what what ccp would say when lets say 2000+ players quit eve at the same time for an indefinite amount of time...but then again,ccp might rely on those addicted to eve hardcore 24/7 playing junkies who don t care about anything but sniffing their powder line called eve...and they might not care if lets say a union corp with lots of members quit eve altogether

anyway...like i said..i m not cryin about anythin...i m takin eve as it is and play when and if i have time.fly safe

Stormchyld
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.30 14:00:00 - [257]
 

Originally by: strikethree
Originally by: Stormchyld
Originally by: strikethree
Originally by: Annubis Lorn
ok i have a question about the new 'salvage ship'.......... where will it be available for purchase? will it be on the open market? i have heard that the print for it will only be available from ORE. and that this is how the production of this ship will begin is from these prints........ if this is so, then one alliance will end up with sole production of this ship and will in turn cause the prices on this ship unreasonable.... if this is the way it will work, then i feel it will in no way be the great gift it is being made out to be, itll just be another way for an overgrown day one alliance to extort unreasonable amounts of isk out of carebear missioners.


Carebear missioning is essentially dead. Most of the value has been sucked out of it and if you use a reasonable ship to kill stuff quickly, you can expect to get suicide ganked for your modules. Eve is all about Alliance Warfare, Manufacturing, and Trading.There really is no room for anyone else, not even pirates (once all the mission carebears give up). *sigh*

If you read the release notes, you will see that they directly acknowledge this sad situation. Warfare drives the market and titans are the be-all end-all of the market.

strike



I make 3 or 4 bil a week missioning ... 1.2b yesterday... so explain to me please how missioning is dead? and why do I hear from quite a few pvp'ers how little isk they make? I'm confused... so perhaps you can educate me on this.


Holy Crap! I have missioned for 16 hours a day many times in a row and never made more than 300m. Perhaps you should be educating others on how to make over a billion ISK in a single day running missions? Since Tyraanis, the yields have been even lower. Perhaps you are using 20 accounts at once?

And.... why the hell does the text entry window keep scrolling to the top type every time I type in a letter? I can not see what I type when I type it and the constant jumping is likely to cause a seizure. Using Internet Explorer 8 (64 bit) on Windows 7 64 bit.

And, as usual, the patch is late. Wheeeeeeee. :)


strike



2 accounts and T3's ... 1 with a salvage sub. altho I know people who use a single tengu and do fine. I did an edit because I didn't see he was mainly comparing trading and manufacturing to a supposed total fail of lvl 4's and I the ones I usually see talking that way about lvl 4's are pvp'ers. ... certainly not everyone makes the kind of isk I do.... but it's still empire.. and it's still missioning. a place where new characters can learn the game and progress w/o being chased away by constant by constant warfare and the isk required to replace those ships. Until they move on to other things.. if they choose to do so. I enjoy null, when I have the chance to be there. I welcome the Incursion expansion that'll expand choices for game play and interaction for everyone. A very good thing.

Adrian Stair
Posted - 2010.11.30 14:00:00 - [258]
 

Edited by: Adrian Stair on 30/11/2010 14:00:51
Originally by: viral insanity
if they are doing away with skill books how do you train new skills ..spme books were way to expensive to purchase anyway


Not removing the skill books, viral, just the learning books; those that speed up your skill training.

T1nyMan
Posted - 2010.11.30 14:00:00 - [259]
 

At least we have all benefited from the first improvement... updates priors to logging on to client :)

WaliWorld
Posted - 2010.11.30 14:01:00 - [260]
 

wow /\ that /\

viral insanity
Posted - 2010.11.30 14:01:00 - [261]
 

Originally by: Con Ton
So we will have to download the whole game again? It isn't going to offer me a chance to download a new on from the log in screen?

Dave

i dont care to download the game again if it will make the game lag go away...any way the game update will be offered when they get the issue fixed and the servers back up and running

Chatelaine Superior
Posted - 2010.11.30 14:01:00 - [262]
 

am gonna resell 100 bpos in jita for npc price in fisrt hour. stay tuned!

WaliWorld
Posted - 2010.11.30 14:04:00 - [263]
 

ah gay, 8 players on and we ain't invited? XD

Serious Masta
Posted - 2010.11.30 14:04:00 - [264]
 

Originally by: SkinSin
Edited by: SkinSin on 30/11/2010 13:06:50
Originally by: Serious Masta
Originally by: Miilla
Can you please give a direct link to the patch download so we dont have to rely on the auto downloader to work (it sometims doesnt).




{links removed}

Everyone with more than 2 braincells to rub together knows not to even attempt patching until they've finished updating TQ. You get it wrong and you might have to re-download the entire eve install!

Stop giving out links before CCP are ready, you dunce!

edit: removed links - sorry, I was just a bit annoyed at the impatience of a few people and should have removed them before I posted.


if it happens that the client is broken, ask the operator of this page:

http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/server_status.php (version history)

De Zoeker
Posted - 2010.11.30 14:04:00 - [265]
 

Originally by: ZENO DRAGON

Please help me to understand your concern.

People with 390 million and a willingness to pick up the BPO will buy them. Ignoring crazy prices in the first week, they will then make and sell the ships for a small profit. This small profit compensates them for the risk of moving a BPO and the effort of research and manufacturing. You get to buy the ship for a small amount higher tha mineral cost.

What exactly should be different?



I think he wants a free noctis with a bpo in its cargohold....delivered to his hangar.


No I don't want a free noctis + bpo, what I mean is that the ships can also be in the market on a fixed price decided by CCP. and about the pvp part I never liked PvP and I never even played WoW on P2P servers due various reasons, which I won't enlighten atm, otherwise I'm getting offtopic and nobody cares anyhow :P

But still, IF the ship going for take or less 150 mil (Just a random number) Wouldn't it be a bit expensive, if u compare it towards the required skills, which u can train within ehh 2 to 3 days (More or less, dunno the exact numbers, but it's a rough guess) My character is now about 3.5 yrs old and have about 8.7 mil SP and I always said to myself, that I won't go into pvp until I'm atleast around 30-50m SP I know the mainbase is PvP in this game, but atleast people that don't want to PvP from the start and just enjoy the game are still safe to somewhat of a degree. Now I'm not saying all this cause I'm greedy, cause I'm definetly not greedy, but I said this before, this new ship and if it's with every new ship added, means that only the rich people can get it first, while the younger players (Character's Age) Are left out, cause they simply can't afford it or are strong enough to get it, cause some people are podding people to be the only ones that can get towards the bpo. I know this is the system, but wouldn't it be fair that all players can enjoy the new content, without having to wait lets say 2 to 4 months orso?


i don t know how long u play eve...i play for the last 6 months and within these 6 months first thing i noticed is that first thing that ccp do is give the old players somethin...while givin the newbies nothin or actually takin somethin and make life harder for them...i am not complaining...i m just doin my missions and rattin and whatever else is in the game....just wanted to make a point....to all u ppl that think ccp is unfair...they are unfair to newbies...but then again....the game itself is unfair to newbies..thats the nature of eve,don t know how much ccp wants to get new players in but i can personally say i got 4 friends of mine hooked to the game and they ve all quit due to ...and months and years of training and veterans gettin all the goodies in a patch or somethin....practically for the first year at least a newbie is a deadman walking..or ...flyin
anyway...gettin back to the ppl that find this and that unfair...why don t u all make a corp..cos there is LOTS LOTS of ppl who find some things unfair....and quit eve for couple months...i m curious what what ccp would say when lets say 2000+ players quit eve at the same time for an indefinite amount of time...but then again,ccp might rely on those addicted to eve hardcore 24/7 playing junkies who don t care about anything but sniffing their powder line called eve...and they might not care if lets say a union corp with lots of members quit eve altogether

anyway...like i said..i m not cryin about anythin...i m takin eve as it is and play when and if i have time.fly safe


I quit eve every day for an indefinite amount of time, every one does if they dont hotkey out of the game .... i also love the DEV who called the button "Quit Game" Razz

Justicia Ciega
Posted - 2010.11.30 14:05:00 - [266]
 

too much text to quote.

If you dont like it....dont play it. Seriously....i dont want you here if your main goal is to ***** n ***** about unfairness until ccp turns this into Space WoW.

Theyu Civaro
Caldari
Sanctum Scala Caeli
Deus Malus
Posted - 2010.11.30 14:06:00 - [267]
 

Originally by: Justicia Ciega
too much text to quote.

If you dont like it....dont play it. Seriously....i dont want you here if your main goal is to ***** n ***** about unfairness until ccp turns this into Space WoW.


+1

WaliWorld
Posted - 2010.11.30 14:06:00 - [268]
 

Originally by: Justicia Ciega
too much text to quote.

If you dont like it....dont play it. Seriously....i dont want you here if your main goal is to ***** n ***** about unfairness until ccp turns this into Space WoW.


thank you sir! sincerely! (WoW is a game of nerfs, EVE is less so, i prefer to keep i that way)

orrri
Posted - 2010.11.30 14:07:00 - [269]
 

Originally by: Chatelaine Superior
am gonna resell 100 bpos in jita for npc price in fisrt hour. stay tuned!


hmm can i hold you on that P Laughing

Jodi O'Keefe
Posted - 2010.11.30 14:08:00 - [270]
 

Originally by: Theyu Civaro
Originally by: Justicia Ciega
too much text to quote.

If you dont like it....dont play it. Seriously....i dont want you here if your main goal is to ***** n ***** about unfairness until ccp turns this into Space WoW.


+1


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