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Nayane
Caldari
The Shadow Vengeance
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:00:00 - [211]
 

1st I'm not whining, I'm only stating the obvious and second I'm not a noob that don't know how this game works. I am one person that dislikes PvP quite alot especially when you're quite low on SP, but this system with BPO's only being released in 0.0 Systems/Stations and the price of 390 Milion (Normal price though) Is indeed quite expensive, for people that are way over the skillrequirements to fly the ship, but can't afford it to buy one, I mean The rich will get richer, while the poor stay poor, ok there are many other ways to get your money, but that doesn't mean it's within everybody's reach :)

P.s.
I would like to let people react normal towards what I type, this isn't whining, this how I look into things and if u can't respond with a normal proper way towards me, cause u think I'm whining, then please keep your fingers quiet about it, I know that there are more people that agree with me about this thought. :)

SkinSin
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:01:00 - [212]
 

Edited by: SkinSin on 30/11/2010 13:06:50
Originally by: Serious Masta
Originally by: Miilla
Can you please give a direct link to the patch download so we dont have to rely on the auto downloader to work (it sometims doesnt).




{links removed}

Everyone with more than 2 braincells to rub together knows not to even attempt patching until they've finished updating TQ. You get it wrong and you might have to re-download the entire eve install!

Stop giving out links before CCP are ready, you dunce!

edit: removed links - sorry, I was just a bit annoyed at the impatience of a few people and should have removed them before I posted.

Adrian Stair
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:05:00 - [213]
 

Edited by: Adrian Stair on 30/11/2010 13:11:07
Edited by: Adrian Stair on 30/11/2010 13:04:54
Originally by: SkinSin
Edited by: SkinSin on 30/11/2010 13:01:59
Originally by: Serious Masta
Originally by: Miilla
Can you please give a direct link to the patch download so we dont have to rely on the auto downloader to work (it sometims doesnt).




{links removed}

Everyone with more than 2 braincells to rub together knows not to even attempt patching until they've finished updating TQ. You get it wrong and you might have to re-download the entire eve install!

Stop giving out links before CCP are ready, you dunce!


Should we stop repeating them links, then?

Adrian Stair
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:10:00 - [214]
 

Originally by: Nayane
1st I'm not whining, I'm only stating the obvious and second I'm not a noob that don't know how this game works. I am one person that dislikes PvP quite alot especially when you're quite low on SP, but this system with BPO's only being released in 0.0 Systems/Stations and the price of 390 Milion (Normal price though) Is indeed quite expensive, for people that are way over the skillrequirements to fly the ship, but can't afford it to buy one, I mean The rich will get richer, while the poor stay poor, ok there are many other ways to get your money, but that doesn't mean it's within everybody's reach :)

P.s.
I would like to let people react normal towards what I type, this isn't whining, this how I look into things and if u can't respond with a normal proper way towards me, cause u think I'm whining, then please keep your fingers quiet about it, I know that there are more people that agree with me about this thought. :)


I think I know the feeling. As a 1-2 month old Eve player, most new content feels pretty unreachable. I guess the first thing I'll have to accept as a capsuleer, is that I'm a nobody. Great then, that they include fixes that CAN be enjoyed by younger capsuleers. Like item to hangar-dragdrop and the removal of rubberbanding when warp ends.

Stormchyld
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:11:00 - [215]
 

Edited by: Stormchyld on 30/11/2010 13:48:41
Originally by: strikethree
Originally by: Annubis Lorn
ok i have a question about the new 'salvage ship'.......... where will it be available for purchase? will it be on the open market? i have heard that the print for it will only be available from ORE. and that this is how the production of this ship will begin is from these prints........ if this is so, then one alliance will end up with sole production of this ship and will in turn cause the prices on this ship unreasonable.... if this is the way it will work, then i feel it will in no way be the great gift it is being made out to be, itll just be another way for an overgrown day one alliance to extort unreasonable amounts of isk out of carebear missioners.


Carebear missioning is essentially dead. Most of the value has been sucked out of it and if you use a reasonable ship to kill stuff quickly, you can expect to get suicide ganked for your modules. Eve is all about Alliance Warfare, Manufacturing, and Trading.There really is no room for anyone else, not even pirates (once all the mission carebears give up). *sigh*

If you read the release notes, you will see that they directly acknowledge this sad situation. Warfare drives the market and titans are the be-all end-all of the market.

strike



I make 3 or 4 bil a week missioning ... 1.2b yesterday... so explain to me please how missioning is dead? and why do I hear from quite a few pvp'ers how little isk they make? I'm confused... so perhaps you can educate me on this.

edit: yes market and trading is very lucrative .... but requires a lot of logistics and know-how to make big bucks doing it... not to mention a corp/alliance that knows what they are doing. as to another point you made... a well skilled T3 can do lvl 4's very quickly and with under a bil for the entire ship/fit (including maybe 3 or 4 deadspace mods) I fail to see why 10-12 people in alpha BS's would spent a lot of time and some isk (taking into account the insurance fruad and lack of accountability) to split 400 or 500m split that many ways, from what mods survive the explosion, to make a life of it.

Exordium8
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:11:00 - [216]
 

You're fixing broken stuff.
Fixing stuff and making the game better. Shocked
I..You...But...
WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH CCP.

SherlockHoles
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:12:00 - [217]
 

Originally by: Nayane
1st I'm not whining, I'm only stating the obvious and second I'm not a noob that don't know how this game works. I am one person that dislikes PvP quite alot especially when you're quite low on SP, but this system with BPO's only being released in 0.0 Systems/Stations and the price of 390 Milion (Normal price though) Is indeed quite expensive, for people that are way over the skillrequirements to fly the ship, but can't afford it to buy one, I mean The rich will get richer, while the poor stay poor, ok there are many other ways to get your money, but that doesn't mean it's within everybody's reach :)

P.s.
I would like to let people react normal towards what I type, this isn't whining, this how I look into things and if u can't respond with a normal proper way towards me, cause u think I'm whining, then please keep your fingers quiet about it, I know that there are more people that agree with me about this thought. :)





If you dislike pvp ...your doing it wrong. It does sound like you are whining to be honest. The ship is designed by Ore so it is seeded in an ore station. The rest of your problems are player based and this is a mmo. Sounds like you want to be in one like wow where pvp and pve are not mixed in any shape or form. Seems like you think the ship will cost a billion or something. Do some missions..buy yourself one and enjoy.

Jimnoo
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:17:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: Nayane
1st I'm not whining, I'm only stating the obvious and second I'm not a noob that don't know how this game works. I am one person that dislikes PvP quite alot especially when you're quite low on SP, but this system with BPO's only being released in 0.0 Systems/Stations and the price of 390 Milion (Normal price though) Is indeed quite expensive, for people that are way over the skillrequirements to fly the ship, but can't afford it to buy one, I mean The rich will get richer, while the poor stay poor, ok there are many other ways to get your money, but that doesn't mean it's within everybody's reach :)



Please help me to understand your concern.

People with 390 million and a willingness to pick up the BPO will buy them. Ignoring crazy prices in the first week, they will then make and sell the ships for a small profit. This small profit compensates them for the risk of moving a BPO and the effort of research and manufacturing. You get to buy the ship for a small amount higher tha mineral cost.

What exactly should be different?

Diablo Maximus
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:17:00 - [219]
 

Edited by: Diablo Maximus on 30/11/2010 13:18:41

Sansha attacking miners in asteroid belts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7VVwLuidIE


Looks like a good time to sell some Mackinaw and Hulks! Some pilots may need a good supply of em :D

T1nyMan
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:18:00 - [220]
 

Edited by: T1nyMan on 30/11/2010 13:18:21
downtime extended by half hour ugh

minor issues during internal testing

Justicia Ciega
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:19:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: Jimnoo
Originally by: Nayane
1st I'm not whining, I'm only stating the obvious and second I'm not a noob that don't know how this game works. I am one person that dislikes PvP quite alot especially when you're quite low on SP, but this system with BPO's only being released in 0.0 Systems/Stations and the price of 390 Milion (Normal price though) Is indeed quite expensive, for people that are way over the skillrequirements to fly the ship, but can't afford it to buy one, I mean The rich will get richer, while the poor stay poor, ok there are many other ways to get your money, but that doesn't mean it's within everybody's reach :)



Please help me to understand your concern.

People with 390 million and a willingness to pick up the BPO will buy them. Ignoring crazy prices in the first week, they will then make and sell the ships for a small profit. This small profit compensates them for the risk of moving a BPO and the effort of research and manufacturing. You get to buy the ship for a small amount higher tha mineral cost.

What exactly should be different?



I think he wants a free noctis with a bpo in its cargohold....delivered to his hangar.

malaire
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:19:00 - [222]
 

From login screen: "Due to minor issues uncovered during internal testing, downtime for EVE Online: Incursion 1.0.0 deployment has been extended by 30 minutes. We estimate Tranquility to open for business at 14:30 UTC." Confused

WaliWorld
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:22:00 - [223]
 

Edited by: WaliWorld on 30/11/2010 13:23:32
Originally by: malaire
From login screen: "Due to minor issues uncovered during internal testing, downtime for EVE Online: Incursion 1.0.0 deployment has been extended by 30 minutes. We estimate Tranquility to open for business at 14:30 UTC." Confused


OH LAWD Shocked

Edit: This is gonna be a long night/morning/day/night/etc...

mercury V
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:23:00 - [224]
 

Originally by: malaire
From login screen: "Due to minor issues uncovered during internal testing, downtime for EVE Online: Incursion 1.0.0 deployment has been extended by 30 minutes. We estimate Tranquility to open for business at 14:30 UTC." Confused


great 30 minutes=2 hours in ccp time

Ifestos Vulcan
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:23:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: Diablo Maximus
Edited by: Diablo Maximus on 30/11/2010 13:18:41

Sansha attacking miners in asteroid belts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7VVwLuidIE


Looks like a good time to sell some Mackinaw and Hulks! Some pilots may need a good supply of em :D



Looks like mr Sansha has issues...he needs to show someone where the bad man touched him.

Miss Teri
Art of War Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:29:00 - [226]
 

First: I look forward to getting home from work, downloading patch and enjoying Incursion.

But:

Could you please post more info during deployment? There is currently *no* information up about the upgrade. (Unless it is hidden somewhere).

A post at the start ("Incursion is now being deployed") with updates underway ("Done with pre-deployment work, deploying to TQ", "TQ updated, running tests", etc).

It is now 13:20 GMT and I have no idea if you're on schedule or not. I don't care if you're on time or not (stuff happens), but I like knowing what's going on, even if it's only "everything ok so far".

WaliWorld
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:30:00 - [227]
 

Edited by: WaliWorld on 30/11/2010 13:34:37
Originally by: Ifestos Vulcan
Looks like mr Sansha has issues...he needs to show someone where the bad man touched him.


ROFL and since when could miners speak with lungs full of Capsule fluid? I'd imagine comms sounding closer to "GARGLEGARGLEBUBUBUBLELE"

SherlockHoles
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:34:00 - [228]
 

Originally by: WaliWorld
Originally by: Ifestos Vulcan
Looks like mr Sansha has issues...he needs to show someone where the bad man touched him.


ROFL and since when could miners speak with lungs full of Capsule liquid? I'd imagine comms sounding closer to "GARGLEGARGLEBUBUBUBLELE"


And all the miners warp to gate at 10....or did they autopilot out ?

Nayane
Caldari
The Shadow Vengeance
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:34:00 - [229]
 

Originally by: Justicia Ciega
Originally by: Jimnoo
Originally by: Nayane
1st I'm not whining, I'm only stating the obvious and second I'm not a noob that don't know how this game works. I am one person that dislikes PvP quite alot especially when you're quite low on SP, but this system with BPO's only being released in 0.0 Systems/Stations and the price of 390 Milion (Normal price though) Is indeed quite expensive, for people that are way over the skillrequirements to fly the ship, but can't afford it to buy one, I mean The rich will get richer, while the poor stay poor, ok there are many other ways to get your money, but that doesn't mean it's within everybody's reach :)



Please help me to understand your concern.

People with 390 million and a willingness to pick up the BPO will buy them. Ignoring crazy prices in the first week, they will then make and sell the ships for a small profit. This small profit compensates them for the risk of moving a BPO and the effort of research and manufacturing. You get to buy the ship for a small amount higher tha mineral cost.

What exactly should be different?



I think he wants a free noctis with a bpo in its cargohold....delivered to his hangar.


No I don't want a free noctis + bpo, what I mean is that the ships can also be in the market on a fixed price decided by CCP. and about the pvp part I never liked PvP and I never even played WoW on P2P servers due various reasons, which I won't enlighten atm, otherwise I'm getting offtopic and nobody cares anyhow :P

But still, IF the ship going for take or less 150 mil (Just a random number) Wouldn't it be a bit expensive, if u compare it towards the required skills, which u can train within ehh 2 to 3 days (More or less, dunno the exact numbers, but it's a rough guess) My character is now about 3.5 yrs old and have about 8.7 mil SP and I always said to myself, that I won't go into pvp until I'm atleast around 30-50m SP I know the mainbase is PvP in this game, but atleast people that don't want to PvP from the start and just enjoy the game are still safe to somewhat of a degree. Now I'm not saying all this cause I'm greedy, cause I'm definetly not greedy, but I said this before, this new ship and if it's with every new ship added, means that only the rich people can get it first, while the younger players (Character's Age) Are left out, cause they simply can't afford it or are strong enough to get it, cause some people are podding people to be the only ones that can get towards the bpo. I know this is the system, but wouldn't it be fair that all players can enjoy the new content, without having to wait lets say 2 to 4 months orso?

Con Ton
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:35:00 - [230]
 

In a strange way I hope the "ccomute your flesh to dust is for real in the trailer. A real way to die. one where you would have to start again from the beginning:) Now that would be scary.

Dave

WaliWorld
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:38:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: Nayane
Originally by: Justicia Ciega
Originally by: Jimnoo
Originally by: Nayane
1st I'm not whining, I'm only stating the obvious and second I'm not a noob that don't know how this game works. I am one person that dislikes PvP quite alot especially when you're quite low on SP, but this system with BPO's only being released in 0.0 Systems/Stations and the price of 390 Milion (Normal price though) Is indeed quite expensive, for people that are way over the skillrequirements to fly the ship, but can't afford it to buy one, I mean The rich will get richer, while the poor stay poor, ok there are many other ways to get your money, but that doesn't mean it's within everybody's reach :)



Please help me to understand your concern.

People with 390 million and a willingness to pick up the BPO will buy them. Ignoring crazy prices in the first week, they will then make and sell the ships for a small profit. This small profit compensates them for the risk of moving a BPO and the effort of research and manufacturing. You get to buy the ship for a small amount higher tha mineral cost.

What exactly should be different?



I think he wants a free noctis with a bpo in its cargohold....delivered to his hangar.


No I don't want a free noctis + bpo, what I mean is that the ships can also be in the market on a fixed price decided by CCP. and about the pvp part I never liked PvP and I never even played WoW on P2P servers due various reasons, which I won't enlighten atm, otherwise I'm getting offtopic and nobody cares anyhow :P

But still, IF the ship going for take or less 150 mil (Just a random number) Wouldn't it be a bit expensive, if u compare it towards the required skills, which u can train within ehh 2 to 3 days (More or less, dunno the exact numbers, but it's a rough guess) My character is now about 3.5 yrs old and have about 8.7 mil SP and I always said to myself, that I won't go into pvp until I'm atleast around 30-50m SP I know the mainbase is PvP in this game, but atleast people that don't want to PvP from the start and just enjoy the game are still safe to somewhat of a degree. Now I'm not saying all this cause I'm greedy, cause I'm definetly not greedy, but I said this before, this new ship and if it's with every new ship added, means that only the rich people can get it first, while the younger players (Character's Age) Are left out, cause they simply can't afford it or are strong enough to get it, cause some people are podding people to be the only ones that can get towards the bpo. I know this is the system, but wouldn't it be fair that all players can enjoy the new content, without having to wait lets say 2 to 4 months orso?


Too Long;Did Not Read Exclamation

Con Ton
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:38:00 - [232]
 

14:30 has been and gone and still no offer to download new version just tells me incompatible version.:(

Guess it is back to watching Hulu for a while.

Dave

strikethree
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:40:00 - [233]
 

Originally by: Stormchyld
Originally by: strikethree
Originally by: Annubis Lorn
ok i have a question about the new 'salvage ship'.......... where will it be available for purchase? will it be on the open market? i have heard that the print for it will only be available from ORE. and that this is how the production of this ship will begin is from these prints........ if this is so, then one alliance will end up with sole production of this ship and will in turn cause the prices on this ship unreasonable.... if this is the way it will work, then i feel it will in no way be the great gift it is being made out to be, itll just be another way for an overgrown day one alliance to extort unreasonable amounts of isk out of carebear missioners.


Carebear missioning is essentially dead. Most of the value has been sucked out of it and if you use a reasonable ship to kill stuff quickly, you can expect to get suicide ganked for your modules. Eve is all about Alliance Warfare, Manufacturing, and Trading.There really is no room for anyone else, not even pirates (once all the mission carebears give up). *sigh*

If you read the release notes, you will see that they directly acknowledge this sad situation. Warfare drives the market and titans are the be-all end-all of the market.

strike



I make 3 or 4 bil a week missioning ... 1.2b yesterday... so explain to me please how missioning is dead? and why do I hear from quite a few pvp'ers how little isk they make? I'm confused... so perhaps you can educate me on this.


Holy Crap! I have missioned for 16 hours a day many times in a row and never made more than 300m. Perhaps you should be educating others on how to make over a billion ISK in a single day running missions? Since Tyraanis, the yields have been even lower. Perhaps you are using 20 accounts at once?

And.... why the hell does the text entry window keep scrolling to the top type every time I type in a letter? I can not see what I type when I type it and the constant jumping is likely to cause a seizure. Using Internet Explorer 8 (64 bit) on Windows 7 64 bit.

And, as usual, the patch is late. Wheeeeeeee. :)


strike

vlad250
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:41:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: Con Ton
14:30 has been and gone and still no offer to download new version just tells me incompatible version.:(

Guess it is back to watching Hulu for a while.

Dave


14.30 eve time not your local time Cool

SherlockHoles
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:43:00 - [235]
 



I think he wants a free noctis with a bpo in its cargohold....delivered to his hangar.


No I don't want a free noctis + bpo,

My character is now about 3.5 yrs old and have about 8.7 mil SP and I always said to myself, that I won't go into pvp until I'm atleast around 30-50m SP


does look like you are doing it wrong. Mine is over a year old and has 25m sp. Its like life...you get what you put into it. If after 3.5 years you have 8.7m sp.....you need to ask yourself how can I improve....and when you figure that out im sure little things like the price of a salvager wont make you lose sleep.

WaliWorld
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:44:00 - [236]
 

Edited by: WaliWorld on 30/11/2010 13:45:50
Originally by: Con Ton
In a strange way I hope the "ccomute your flesh to dust is for real in the trailer. A real way to die. one where you would have to start again from the beginning:) Now that would be scary.

Dave


I'd suicide gank more often, be it the case

(but for the sake of stupid-proof edits, we know this is just mindless exposition)

mercury V
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:44:00 - [237]
 

Originally by: Con Ton
14:30 has been and gone and still no offer to download new version just tells me incompatible version.:(

Guess it is back to watching Hulu for a while.

Dave


i thik we still have 1 more hour to wait by their report with a script issue going on could possibly be 2 hours hope they didnt fudge up om this new deploymentRolling Eyes

Sojobo Otaku
Minmatar
Lyonesse.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:45:00 - [238]
 

Downtime has been extended by 30 minutes, who woulda guessed something like that would happen :o

malaire
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:46:00 - [239]
 

Originally by: Con Ton
14:30 has been and gone and still no offer to download new version just tells me incompatible version.:(

Guess it is back to watching Hulu for a while.

Dave



It was only 13:38 at the time of your post.

Nayane
Caldari
The Shadow Vengeance
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:46:00 - [240]
 

Originally by: SherlockHoles


I think he wants a free noctis with a bpo in its cargohold....delivered to his hangar.


No I don't want a free noctis + bpo,

My character is now about 3.5 yrs old and have about 8.7 mil SP and I always said to myself, that I won't go into pvp until I'm atleast around 30-50m SP


does look like you are doing it wrong. Mine is over a year old and has 25m sp. Its like life...you get what you put into it. If after 3.5 years you have 8.7m sp.....you need to ask yourself how can I improve....and when you figure that out im sure little things like the price of a salvager wont make you lose sleep.


And the reason why it only have 8.7m SP, cause I simply can't afford to pay consecutive months to play this game unfortunate :) Though I have been training alot in the last month and went from 7m to 8.7m :) Which isn't too bad for my own goals :) I knew someone would make a remark about the CharAge + SP Amount, but it's no other way, no matter how u look at it :)


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