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Nayane
Caldari
The Shadow Vengeance
Posted - 2010.11.30 11:34:00 - [181]
 

Ehh what the hell does WoW has anything to do with Eve lol? Eitherway Cataclysm is being released worldwide next week. December 7th :)

carebear one
Posted - 2010.11.30 11:43:00 - [182]
 

Edited by: carebear one on 30/11/2010 11:46:49
Originally by: Nayane
The Dev Blog isn't saying anywhere about the ship itself, I mean they're talking about the skill + BPO, but no info about the ship itself how to obtain it, ok most people can think ohh only the BPO is available, so that's the only way to get it, but it would be nice that newbie that has well let's say 10m sp and less can also grab the noctis. Otherwise this is quite unfair for the majority of the players that can't pay for the game in consecutive months or even cough up the money to buy the BPO and/or get even to the 0.0 ORE Stations to get one.


where in the hell is it written that EVE is fair? If you cant use the market or not be able to make a fortune you cant get a Noctis the first days.

I think I remember clearly one Dev writing in a Patchnote "EVE is no place with rainbows" ... this clearly also involves chars not able to make money or chars only able to shoot

PS: And if the carebears are smart the form a cartell to keep the Noctis price up

Dhei'Nja
QUANTUM NOMAD
Posted - 2010.11.30 11:45:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: Bait Van
Originally by: Nayane
So let me get this straight, only the bigger corps can get the BPO's thus the Noctis ship?? People that want this ship, needs to be very rich or have quite a lot of SP so they can get it. Or is the market also selling the Noctis on a normal basis? Since my character doesn't have much SP and since I can't pay every 2 months, for various reasons, those people are in a disadvantage?


er...I have a char right now in one of the Ore systems ready to buy the bpo and undock a day or three later (depends on the level of camp going on). The corp he belongs to is 6 members. We all put up a bit of isk and I drew the straw to go fetch. Didn't need any skills other than covert ops/cloaking and knowing how to use the market.

To the poster above me as well...there will be gouging the first couple of days but by the end of the month, you'll see 'normal' pricing (like most ships, not much more over actual mineral costs, most ships are razor thin already on profit). If you have to have one that bad, you'll pay, but if you just wait a week or two, you'll get one at decent price.


Agreed, wtf would they only seed in Outer Ring ffs! Was gonna park an alt and try to avoid the Huzzah gank fleets that are going to be getting rich off this for a few weeks but decided the effort wasn't worth loosing 400 mil when they manage to gank my cov-ops because of a bug introduced on patch day...

Kanatta Jing
Posted - 2010.11.30 11:47:00 - [184]
 

Originally by: Almgard
Ehm, CCP guys...i have a question...The new ship Noctis..is a CCP gift to all pilots, like was primae? or u just introduce BPO's..so only rich and skilled guys can take them, build, and sell each ship for 100000 billions for next 6months?Confusedso no noob or halfnoob player couldnt try it now?


Heres how it will work. First Noctis built will sell for 1 Billion, second sells for 500 million, third sells for 250 million, fourth through twentieth sell for 100 million and finally the 0.01 isking kicks in and the price crawls to 40 million over the next 2 months.

Serious Masta
Posted - 2010.11.30 11:47:00 - [185]
 


carebear one
Posted - 2010.11.30 11:50:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: Serious Masta
is this the right patch?

http://content.eveonline.com/evepremiumpatch197121-207554_m.exe


hm comparing char-pic, char-name and post ... it would be too much efford to explain the patching-system to you. sorry

Serious Masta
Posted - 2010.11.30 11:53:00 - [187]
 

Originally by: carebear one
Originally by: Serious Masta
is this the right patch?

http://content.eveonline.com/evepremiumpatch197121-207554_m.exe


hm comparing char-pic, char-name and post ... it would be too much efford to explain the patching-system to you. sorry


you are sooo wise, gtfo.

carebear one
Posted - 2010.11.30 11:54:00 - [188]
 

Originally by: Serious Masta
Originally by: carebear one
Originally by: Serious Masta
is this the right patch?

http://content.eveonline.com/evepremiumpatch197121-207554_m.exe


hm comparing char-pic, char-name and post ... it would be too much efford to explain the patching-system to you. sorry


you are sooo wise, gtfo.


Q.E.D.

Ptraci
Posted - 2010.11.30 11:56:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Nayane
Otherwise this is quite unfair for the majority of the players that can't pay for the game in consecutive months or even cough up the money to buy the BPO and/or get even to the 0.0 ORE Stations to get one.


Oh, so you want to play a game where you can do absolutely everything right away? Those players who have the cash for the BPO and the ability to get to the ORE station where it is sold deserve a blueprint. If you don't have the cash or the guts, well whining certainly isn't going to get you anywhere. Really it's only a better ship but it's not the ONLY ship - you can salvage perfectly well with a destroyer or a battlecruiser...

Honestly. Be patient - fortunes will be made by the best manufacturers and blueprint researchers, and eventually the huge number of Noctis producers will send the price tumbling. This ship shouldn't cost much more than a battlecruiser, based on the minerals.

Serious Masta
Posted - 2010.11.30 11:57:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: carebear one
Originally by: Serious Masta
Originally by: carebear one
Originally by: Serious Masta
is this the right patch?

http://content.eveonline.com/evepremiumpatch197121-207554_m.exe


hm comparing char-pic, char-name and post ... it would be too much efford to explain the patching-system to you. sorry


you are sooo wise, gtfo.


Q.E.D.


quo errat demonstrator
.. stop now

Kanatta Jing
Posted - 2010.11.30 11:58:00 - [191]
 

Build 197121 is the current pre Incursion 1.0.0 build.

We're waiting for 207554

carebear one
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:00:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: Serious Masta
Originally by: carebear one
Originally by: Serious Masta
Originally by: carebear one


hm comparing char-pic, char-name and post ... it would be too much efford to explain the patching-system to you. sorry


you are sooo wise, gtfo.


Q.E.D.


quo errat demonstrator
.. stop now


a shame when victims dont know when they are beaten

Jimnoo
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:04:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: Nayane
The Dev Blog isn't saying anywhere about the ship itself, I mean they're talking about the skill + BPO, but no info about the ship itself how to obtain it, ok most people can think ohh only the BPO is available, so that's the only way to get it, but it would be nice that newbie that has well let's say 10m sp and less can also grab the noctis. Otherwise this is quite unfair for the majority of the players that can't pay for the game in consecutive months or even cough up the money to buy the BPO and/or get even to the 0.0 ORE Stations to get one.


All the ships you buy are produced by other players. The Noctis is no exception. Since there is lots of competition between the producers profit margins are low and prices are reasonable. Of course, there will be some price gouging initialy, but within a week you will be able to buy them for about mineral cost +10%. If you can't afford that then play harder.


Eliot Cougar
Gallente
Excited Photonics Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:07:00 - [194]
 

Originally by: Tohmu Blackwing
Originally by: CCP karkur
Originally by: Eliot Cougar
Edited by: Eliot Cougar on 29/11/2010 11:17:39
Adding a Meta-level column is nice... Why not just a small number over the icon, say in the top right corner, similar to the tech-level...
Or something like:
"no icon" - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - II - faction icon - deadspace icon ... (Comes to mind, very good color coding in WoW)


or maybe something like:
"•Deadspace, faction, officer, and storyline items now have an overlay icon like the Tech II and III items" Very Happy

But, the reason I quoted this particular post was because the poster was asking for just a bit more from you - and I happen to completely agree. You missed the part about TECH 1 NAMED items - and being able to distinguish between them.

Yes, yes and yes... I was talking exactly about that... Named Tech1 items is a pain in my brain...

Anyway, more detailed tooltips over items looks like the best solution to me if you don't want to add more overlay icons or color coding...

carebear one
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:11:00 - [195]
 

Originally by: Eliot Cougar
Edited by: Eliot Cougar on 29/11/2010 11:17:39
Adding a Meta-level column is nice... Why not just a small number over the icon, say in the top right corner, similar to the tech-level...
Or something like:
"no icon" - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - II - faction icon - deadspace icon ... (Comes to mind, very good color coding in WoW)



or maybe a better development in the seeing -> reading -> understanding chain would solve the problem too

Serious Masta
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:14:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: carebear one
Originally by: Eliot Cougar
Edited by: Eliot Cougar on 29/11/2010 11:17:39
Adding a Meta-level column is nice... Why not just a small number over the icon, say in the top right corner, similar to the tech-level...
Or something like:
"no icon" - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - II - faction icon - deadspace icon ... (Comes to mind, very good color coding in WoW)



or maybe a better development in the seeing -> reading -> understanding chain would solve the problem too


do you have a problem?
the people just ask things they dont have seen on the first look.

you are surely someone who pass over old ladies they are to slow to cross the road...^^

Adrian Stair
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:16:00 - [197]
 

"Ships are now coming out of warp smoother, without “rubber-banding”."

Ah, that's gonna feel great! It's been a nice hint of when "Jump" is available in the context menu, but I guess we're better off without the rubber.

WaliWorld
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:18:00 - [198]
 

Edited by: WaliWorld on 30/11/2010 12:21:16
As I'm sure those of us who grasp basic economic concepts or even just seen a new BPO-only-seeded ship get released will understand, people who get there hands on the noctis bpo will natural want to build it. that costs ISK, so they will naturally want to sell it, and naturally they want to reach as broad a market as possible. So naturally hubs will see the first hulls, I give it 24 or less. And dont mind the trolls, their just naturally butt hurt. Cool

Edit: What ship had astronomical initial prices? Im lost

carebear one
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:18:00 - [199]
 

Edited by: carebear one on 30/11/2010 12:18:41
Originally by: Serious Masta
Originally by: carebear one
Originally by: Eliot Cougar
Edited by: Eliot Cougar on 29/11/2010 11:17:39
Adding a Meta-level column is nice... Why not just a small number over the icon, say in the top right corner, similar to the tech-level...
Or something like:
"no icon" - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - II - faction icon - deadspace icon ... (Comes to mind, very good color coding in WoW)



or maybe a better development in the seeing -> reading -> understanding chain would solve the problem too


do you have a problem?
the people just ask things they dont have seen on the first look.

you are surely someone who pass over old ladies they are to slow to cross the road...^^


well only when they passing while waving with there arms ... than you can better dismantle them from the car

anyhow ... some who is not able to categorize the item by looking at the name need some serious teachings-leasons how itemnames are build in EVE. Oh no wait this would mean the have to make the Tutorials

amelie Carre
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:25:00 - [200]
 

Why is it every time a new release comes out i always forget to put a bloody skill on. one ca hope that this works smooth and doesnt take a few days. that will suck

Stormchyld
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:32:00 - [201]
 

Edited by: Stormchyld on 30/11/2010 12:39:08
Originally by: carebear one
Hi,

so the patch tyrannis 1.3 will start in a few minutes here some points to discuss about during DT:

1) Guess when the Server will come up and how many "we found something" we will receive before the server-up

2) Does anybody believe that the new char-system or Incarna at all will ever released?




they already had some some of the features of the new character creator on singularity... altho it wasn't fully operational and/or lacked the full features that are supposed to be implemented in Incarna ... what I did see was very slick. ... so with it nearly done, I doubt that they would have spent the money going as far as they have. I understand the skepticism tho... I've been hearing about "station ambulation" like what's supposed to be in Incarna for 4 years

having said that... great work CCP ... now if you can just figure out what's been causing warp-in crashes since Apocrypha :)

NextDarkKnight
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:38:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: CCP Atlas
Originally by: Zendoren
Originally by: NextDarkKnight
I don't think it is too late for them to reconsider, I think a great compromise will to allow Loan Contracts ONLY for Corp and Alliance Members. That way it will be a little harder for them poor fokes to be scammed and customer support tickets will go down. Win win for everyone.


I support this idea!

Otherwise CCP renders Corp Insurance useless with this change!


Private contracts for corp-insured ships should not void insurance I believe so hopefully that isn't a problem.


It isn't so much for the insurance but the audit trail! Sweet feature I never knew about until now, we got a workable solution so this change doesn't need to go out for to much longer. What steps do we need to take to have it re-enabled now that it solved the customer support problem.

WaliWorld
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:38:00 - [203]
 

Edited by: WaliWorld on 30/11/2010 12:39:14
Originally by: Stormchyld
I understand the skepticism tho... I've been hearing about "station ambulation" like what's supposed to be in Incarna for 4 years


yeah but you can't say they haven't come quite a ways since

Stormchyld
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:41:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: WaliWorld
Edited by: WaliWorld on 30/11/2010 12:39:14
Originally by: Stormchyld
I understand the skepticism tho... I've been hearing about "station ambulation" like what's supposed to be in Incarna for 4 years


yeah but you can't say they haven't come quite a ways since


absolutely .... it looked awesome ... to me anyway :)

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:47:00 - [205]
 

Can you please give a direct link to the patch download so we dont have to rely on the auto downloader to work (it sometims doesnt).


strikethree
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:49:00 - [206]
 

Originally by: Phaedriel
Loving seeing how many fixes there are in this patch, it's what we all wanted.

Shinies are all shiny and all, but fixes issues quells the rage!

Hoping to see some improved API regarding blueprints soon i.e. option to fetch all blueprints with ML/PL values either as part of char/corp assets or a seperate API call.

Cheers!


I would be happy if I could tell the difference between a Scourge Heavy Missile Blueprint Original and a Scourge Heavy Missile Blueprint Copy. When you have a thousand BPCs and one BPO, things get REALLY annoying VERY quickly.

strike

Honiahaka
Caldari
Pavlov Labs GmBH
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:49:00 - [207]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Can you please give a direct link to the patch download so we dont have to rely on the auto downloader to work (it sometims doesnt).




http://content.eveonline.com/evepremiumpatch197121-207554_m.exe

Serious Masta
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:51:00 - [208]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Can you please give a direct link to the patch download so we dont have to rely on the auto downloader to work (it sometims doesnt).




Windows: http://content.eveonline.com/evepremiumpatch197121-207554_m.exe

Mac: http://content.eveonline.com/mac/evepremiumpatch197121-207554-mac.tgz

Aedeal
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:58:00 - [209]
 

Originally by: enterprisePSI
So EVE Incursion will be deployed on Tuesday and will have no..... incursions LaughingLaughingLaughing


Transmissions from the Sansha would indicate otherwise.

strikethree
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:59:00 - [210]
 

Originally by: Annubis Lorn
ok i have a question about the new 'salvage ship'.......... where will it be available for purchase? will it be on the open market? i have heard that the print for it will only be available from ORE. and that this is how the production of this ship will begin is from these prints........ if this is so, then one alliance will end up with sole production of this ship and will in turn cause the prices on this ship unreasonable.... if this is the way it will work, then i feel it will in no way be the great gift it is being made out to be, itll just be another way for an overgrown day one alliance to extort unreasonable amounts of isk out of carebear missioners.


Carebear missioning is essentially dead. Most of the value has been sucked out of it and if you use a reasonable ship to kill stuff quickly, you can expect to get suicide ganked for your modules. Eve is all about Alliance Warfare, Manufacturing, and Trading.There really is no room for anyone else, not even pirates (once all the mission carebears give up). *sigh*

If you read the release notes, you will see that they directly acknowledge this sad situation. Warfare drives the market and titans are the be-all end-all of the market.

strike


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