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Hooded Hauler
Posted - 2010.11.26 00:11:00 - [1]
 

Training Clarity L5 was worth it after all!


Discuss... Shocked

KiwiMatt
Posted - 2010.11.26 02:33:00 - [2]
 

lol after years of argueing, Pottsey might take victory after all.

I trained all the advanced learning skills to 5 as soon as they came out - even if they took 3.5 years to pay off - I have had a further 2 and a bit years since that of advantage... so getting another 5 mill sp to distribute is just a bonus.

If this exercise helps out newcomers to the game not to feel so disadvantaged then i'm all for it.

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.11.26 07:25:00 - [3]
 

It has been a double win for mem but I wouldn't have ever predicted this anytime soon. I think Clarity made my skill plan end around 20 days faster and on top of ending 20days faster I get to reinvest those Clarity SP's in more charisma skills pushing my skill plan a fair bit forward.

DarthCaboose
Posted - 2010.11.26 07:38:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
It has been a double win for mem but I wouldn't have ever predicted this anytime soon. I think Clarity made my skill plan end around 20 days faster and on top of ending 20days faster I get to reinvest those Clarity SP's in more charisma skills pushing my skill plan a fair bit forward.


Wow... It really has been a while since your post came out!

Well, I'm glad CCP's finally doing this change. Will make bringing my friends to this game a LOT easier.

"No, you don't have to spend the first X number of days training Learning skills. Just do whatever you want! Wait... wait... actually. Make sure to train Cybernetics to Level 1. Here, have these implants."

DarthCaboose
Posted - 2010.11.26 09:46:00 - [5]
 

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1169445

Let us all remember now the events that had passed, and remember that despite the bickering and polemic discourse, Pottsey was looking way more in the long term than the rest of us.

I'm sorry everyone. Sad

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.11.26 10:03:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Hooded Hauler
Training Clarity L5 was worth it after all!


Discuss... Shocked


Since I have queued up Clarity 5, I agree that we must give him the win after all.

Well played, Pottsey, well played.

Mona X
Caldari
Missions Mining and Mayhem
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.11.26 20:00:00 - [7]
 

Ermmmm, Clarity is +1 Perception skill.

Socio Stan
Posted - 2010.11.26 20:25:00 - [8]
 

Pottsey's argument has been proven wrong.

Presence 5 can't realistically pay for itself with "future skills".

Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
Posted - 2010.11.26 22:04:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Pottsey on 26/11/2010 22:04:46
Socio Stan said " Pottsey's argument has been proven wrong.
Presence 5 can't realistically pay for itself with "future skills".

As that was not my argument it was not proven wrong. My argument was that skill plans can finish much faster due to Presence 5 then without Presence 5, that was proven correct. I had a skill plan that ended up 17 or was it 20days? Whatever the number it finished much faster as in weeks faster due to having Presence 5 then without. Just because you have not hit payoff it does not mean the skill plan cannot finish faster.

Deen Wispa
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2010.11.26 23:36:00 - [10]
 

Pottsey rocks :)

Jimmy Duce
Chaotic Tranquility
Posted - 2010.12.05 01:21:00 - [11]
 

Didn't do Charisma V and amd fine with that. 4.7 Mill sp if good enough. But, what are your views on the Sansha?

Patri Andari
Caldari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
Posted - 2010.12.05 08:34:00 - [12]
 

Despite the troll in this thread I must correct a wrong. I never thanked Pottsey for his/her well reasoned posts on this subject.

When I first started playing this game I was even a bigger forum ***** than I am now and I researched many posts looking for as much information as I could find.

My enjoyment and progression in this game was enhanced by the likes of posters such as Pottsey, Lian Nuren, Merin, Shar, Shardale and Akita. While most of these people do not know me personally , they have enhanced my knowledge and enjoyment of this game.

For that reason I now offer you and all the vets who take the time to post on these forums my most heart felt (and druken) appreciation.

Thank you!



Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2010.12.05 13:48:00 - [13]
 

Pure luck.

If the learning skills were not being removed, presence V would hardly payoff to anyone.

Chakarr
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.12.05 13:59:00 - [14]
 

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

He was 'kind of' right, as his argument was about 'opportunity' not 'payback' - even Pottsey eventually conceded that the skill would never 'payback' it's initial investment for the majority of players.

By a strange twist of fate those players who did train it to V are now vindicated, but I don't think Pottsey or anyone else for that matter predicted them removing learnings from the game entirely in this way.

PS. I would also like to echo the drunked thanks for those vets who have helped myself & so many others on these forums. Wink

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2010.12.06 01:16:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Pottsey
Edited by: Pottsey on 26/11/2010 22:04:46
Socio Stan said " Pottsey's argument has been proven wrong.
Presence 5 can't realistically pay for itself with "future skills".

As that was not my argument it was not proven wrong. My argument was that skill plans can finish much faster due to Presence 5 then without Presence 5, that was proven correct. I had a skill plan that ended up 17 or was it 20days? Whatever the number it finished much faster as in weeks faster due to having Presence 5 then without. Just because you have not hit payoff it does not mean the skill plan cannot finish faster.


More specifically, what is important to realize is that you never know when your skill plans will change. The claim that Presence 5 is useless makes various assumptions which in reality are almost never true. These assumptions are:
1) That you will never make changes to your skill plan
2) That you will never reach the end of your skill plan (meaning, that you will never run out skills to train which don't provide you a benefit towards your chosen profession).
3) That patches will never add additional skills.

Of course, these arguments will be pointless now with the removal of learning skills. In the end, Pottsey got the last laugh, as even IF the above assumptions hold true for SOMEONE out there, having trained Presence V would have been better for that person anyways.


 

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