open All Channels
seplocked EVE Information Portal
blankseplocked New Dev Blog - Learning skills are going away
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: first : previous : ... 59 60 61 62 63 64 [65] 66 67 : last (67)

Author Topic

JcJet
Caldari
Pretenders Inc
W-Space
Posted - 2010.12.09 11:35:00 - [1921]
 

Edited by: JcJet on 09/12/2010 11:35:41
Right... And then in a few years we will have learnings again with tier-3 variations...

Because:
1. training all skills in game with one character takes very, very long time, especially for those monkeys, percent of which is continiously grows in game.
2. ****ing with older players it's always funny.

bradeusmaximus
Posted - 2010.12.09 12:02:00 - [1922]
 

yep

Mamba Lev
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.12.09 20:11:00 - [1923]
 

We should be getting a free remap, it can't be hard, reset all our remap timers.

JcJet
Caldari
Pretenders Inc
W-Space
Posted - 2010.12.09 21:57:00 - [1924]
 

Edited by: JcJet on 09/12/2010 21:59:06
Originally by: Mamba Lev
We should be getting a free remap, it can't be hard, reset all our remap timers.

So all skill plans will be ****ed up for sure? Didn't finish all that planned in this remap, or training with a same remap for another year. well... maybe it's a good idea, if there is should be a fail, then at least it's should be a great, epic fail, why not...

Fonsui
Posted - 2010.12.10 01:58:00 - [1925]
 

Edited by: Fonsui on 10/12/2010 02:12:53
Edited by: Fonsui on 10/12/2010 02:08:27

Edit: answer is in the reimbursement article on the wiki. Whoops.

Zifirix
Posted - 2010.12.10 03:20:00 - [1926]
 

I still have my learning points intact??
When will it all disappear??

CatastrophicFailure
Posted - 2010.12.10 06:02:00 - [1927]
 

Edited by: CatastrophicFailure on 10/12/2010 07:17:23
Edited by: CatastrophicFailure on 10/12/2010 07:16:38
Sorry, didn't bother to read through all these pages, so if this has been answered I apologize (if so, can someone repost?). My understanding is that the EVE client does not update skill point totals to include points from partially trained skills unless said skill is paused or removed from the skill queue. My understanding of this update is that if I have a partially trained learning skill, I will get back all SP trained up to the moment the skill is paused or removed from the queue. So, say I have Learning trained to level 4 and I pause training at 75% of level 5, I will get 100% of total points for levels 1-4 and 75% of total points for level 5.

First question: is my understanding correct about the skill points updating if the skill is paused or removed from the queue before completion?

Second question (assuming the answer to question one is "yes"): if I'm training a learning skill when the servers are shut down and the learning skills are removed, and that skill level has never been paused or removed, will that learning skill be considered to have been "paused" at the moment of shutdown, or will I not get credit for the partially trained skill level because it was still actively training at shutdown (therefore, the point total for that skill still shows the total for the last level trained)? In other words, will I have to manually pause the training or train something else during shutdown in order to get credit for the partially trained skill?

Any devs care to shed some light on this? Thanks.

Dreazaur
Posted - 2010.12.10 06:58:00 - [1928]
 

Just curious if this is still on tap for the 14th?

Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.12.10 08:18:00 - [1929]
 

Edited by: Raimo on 10/12/2010 08:19:28


I know I'm very late to the game but I just want to say that this change is fantastic as is, thank you CCP! Very Happy

(Hopefully it will make the 14th, I haven't followed the news closely)

And anyone complaining about potential SP/hr loss or whatever are just plain idiotic, btw. This coming from a *very* bitter vet. Rolling Eyes

Ebisu Kami
Posted - 2010.12.10 09:05:00 - [1930]
 

Originally by: Zifirix
I still have my learning points intact??
When will it all disappear??


December 14th.

Originally by: Dreazaur
Just curious if this is still on tap for the 14th?


Yes.

Originally by: CatastrophicFailure
Any devs care to shed some light on this? Thanks.


Not a dev, but: As was written in the blog and several posts by devs and players who repeated it, you'll get a full reimbursement. Each and every single point.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.12.10 14:11:00 - [1931]
 

Originally by: Mamba Lev
We should be getting a free remap, it can't be hard, reset all our remap timers.


Um, why? You're getting millions of skillpoints that you can spend on off-remap skills, which reduces your need for a remap.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2010.12.10 14:52:00 - [1932]
 

Originally by: Kratos Siber
Edited by: Kratos Siber on 09/12/2010 02:24:50
I am sad.

I spent 14+ days per skill maxing out my SOCT skills. On paper, with maxed attributes, i save roughly 2 months a year at tops training skills relevant to my maxed out attribute (based on the first 1 week on neural remap introduction)

Giving me back the full value of my skillpoints is worthless since the advantage of faster learning than OTHER people (who can't be bothered to be patient) is priceless.

For people who tell me i'll now learn faster, yes, but now i learn the same as everybody else who didn't bother to sit through 2 and a half months of training for TWO different accounts. I've already PAID my price. Eve taught me that winning is not about finishing the race, it's about making sure the people around you don't make it as far as you do.

I've always supported you CCP throughout the years. This is the first time I feel that I've been slapped for a cumulative 5 months of effort on my part, through no fault of my own.

Thank you

Kratos/Liosa

Edit: SPeeeeling meestakes =D


So getting those skill points to redistribute doesn't make you happy? Do some math and ask how long it would take someone to catch up? The answer is now that you're ahead, you will ALWAYS be ahead of them.

Come on, really? you're really sad?

Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
Posted - 2010.12.10 15:27:00 - [1933]
 

Nothing has ben announced by CCP so i will not say you'll get a free remap but, wen i tested the removal at sisi we had a free remap.

Since you change so mutch things in the character attributes, and so important things, this seems normal.

Wait and see Wink

Mandy Bonebright
Posted - 2010.12.10 16:33:00 - [1934]
 

It would be nice if they could remove the skills without penalizing the folks who did train to 5/5 with +5 implants. All parties would be beyond happy if they could find a way to see to keep those folks who spent the time to train it for the advantage of those who did not. I agree that learning skills suck to train but taking something from a group of people, even a small group of people is not right. CCP please find away to make your Christmas gift a gift for all and not a bah humbug to others. As of late you have been really good at screwing people try to take all parties in account for this change and not just the folks who were more interested in pew pew. Thanks!

Biff 2010
Posted - 2010.12.10 18:07:00 - [1935]
 

can you clarify what will happen to learning implants?

Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
Posted - 2010.12.10 18:17:00 - [1936]
 

Edited by: Joss56 on 10/12/2010 18:21:06
Originally by: Mandy Bonebright
It would be nice if they could remove the skills without penalizing the folks who did train to 5/5 with +5 implants. All parties would be beyond happy if they could find a way to see to keep those folks who spent the time to train it for the advantage of those who did not. I agree that learning skills suck to train but taking something from a group of people, even a small group of people is not right. CCP please find away to make your Christmas gift a gift for all and not a bah humbug to others. As of late you have been really good at screwing people try to take all parties in account for this change and not just the folks who were more interested in pew pew. Thanks!


How can you even imagine they're penalised? on a 8.5year target? omg most of them will already play another game or be 3ft unedrground since it seams some play since stone age.

Can you realise that no matter what you do with the game, that you play it or not, the only thing you have to do is fill your skils qeue?

And that no matter how many years you'll spend in this game YOU WILL NEVER BE ABBLE TO CATCH THEM. Evil or Very Mad

Ebisu Kami
Posted - 2010.12.10 18:29:00 - [1937]
 

Originally by: Biff 2010
can you clarify what will happen to learning implants?


Nothing, as was specified in the Blog.

Mandy Bonebright
Posted - 2010.12.10 18:31:00 - [1938]
 

Originally by: Joss56
Edited by: Joss56 on 10/12/2010 18:21:06
Originally by: Mandy Bonebright
It would be nice if they could remove the skills without penalizing the folks who did train to 5/5 with +5 implants. All parties would be beyond happy if they could find a way to see to keep those folks who spent the time to train it for the advantage of those who did not. I agree that learning skills suck to train but taking something from a group of people, even a small group of people is not right. CCP please find away to make your Christmas gift a gift for all and not a bah humbug to others. As of late you have been really good at screwing people try to take all parties in account for this change and not just the folks who were more interested in pew pew. Thanks!


How can you even imagine they're penalised? on a 8.5year target? omg most of them will already play another game or be 3ft unedrground since it seams some play since stone age.

Can you realise that no matter what you do with the game, that you play it or not, the only thing you have to do is fill your skils qeue?

And that no matter how many years you'll spend in this game YOU WILL NEVER BE ABBLE TO CATCH THEM. Evil or Very Mad


It is not about catching up. It is not about the SP returned for those skills. I'm glad you all are smart enough to see beyond your own gain.

It is really quite simple. Let me address it in real life terms.

You and I both have $10,000 dollars. We both put it in the bank and collect interest at 10% monthly return. After 2 months I withdraw my money $10,200 and spend it on a nice vacation where I play in the sun and have fun. Meanwhile you keep you money in the back for 5 years. Then all of a sudden because I think it is not far you have all that interest and I don't the bank decides that you can have your $10,000 back and put $9,500 in the bank for both of us to get interest off of. Mind you, you did get $6,000 in interest over those 5 years but you never got that $10,000 vacation I had.

PS: Postcard from the beach.

Kratos Siber
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.10 21:07:00 - [1939]
 

Thank you. The beach/bank description was good. Now if people weren't so shallow to just look at skillpoints..... They'd realize that waiting 75 days without gaining any other more "practical" skill isn't easy at all. If someone can't be bothered to spend their time training them they shouldn't get an instant reward.

Isus Jarode
Gallente
Sons of Ivaldi
Zero Hour Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.10 22:00:00 - [1940]
 

As a guy who's been inactive for more than a year, coming back to this news is really encouraging. Honestly; I'd consider myself a newb regardless of how old my character is (3.3m SP, 3 1/2 years... yeah.) and one of the driving factors of my reluctance to play was the fact that, in order to gain any value out of the YEARS of skills I'd have to train, I'd need to first spend at least 6 weeks of my game just to knock out the basic learning skills so that I wouldn't waste time - and that doesn't include the eventual 6 months of advanced learning skills that I'd have to deal with.

To say the least, learning skills were a pain in my ass. It's a relief to know that the new system will be just around the result of learning skills at their maximum and still redeem those points we spent. It's a win-win in my opinion.

But it's important to point out that this shouldn't be seen as a major driver for getting n00bs straight into the game. Learning skills were just a trivial problem; n00bs are still overwhelmed by PvP, PvE, economics and the months still required to fly their ideal ships and everything else. This game is still VERY complex and most outsiders and newcomers will still be scratching their heads. In fact I know that haters of EVE won't see much gained out of this change. So remember that this is not going to gain much leverage towards n00b characters. They'll still need a lot of help to survive.

But regardless, it's a big accomplishment. I'm happy.

JcJet
Caldari
Pretenders Inc
W-Space
Posted - 2010.12.11 00:15:00 - [1941]
 

Originally by: Mandy Bonebright
Originally by: Joss56
Edited by: Joss56 on 10/12/2010 18:21:06
Originally by: Mandy Bonebright
It would be nice if they could remove the skills without penalizing the folks who did train to 5/5 with +5 implants. All parties would be beyond happy if they could find a way to see to keep those folks who spent the time to train it for the advantage of those who did not. I agree that learning skills suck to train but taking something from a group of people, even a small group of people is not right. CCP please find away to make your Christmas gift a gift for all and not a bah humbug to others. As of late you have been really good at screwing people try to take all parties in account for this change and not just the folks who were more interested in pew pew. Thanks!


How can you even imagine they're penalised? on a 8.5year target? omg most of them will already play another game or be 3ft unedrground since it seams some play since stone age.

Can you realise that no matter what you do with the game, that you play it or not, the only thing you have to do is fill your skils qeue?

And that no matter how many years you'll spend in this game YOU WILL NEVER BE ABBLE TO CATCH THEM. Evil or Very Mad


It is not about catching up. It is not about the SP returned for those skills. I'm glad you all are smart enough to see beyond your own gain.

It is really quite simple. Let me address it in real life terms.

You and I both have $10,000 dollars. We both put it in the bank and collect interest at 10% monthly return. After 2 months I withdraw my money $10,200 and spend it on a nice vacation where I play in the sun and have fun. Meanwhile you keep you money in the back for 5 years. Then all of a sudden because I think it is not far you have all that interest and I don't the bank decides that you can have your $10,000 back and put $9,500 in the bank for both of us to get interest off of. Mind you, you did get $6,000 in interest over those 5 years but you never got that $10,000 vacation I had.

PS: Postcard from the beach.

This.

Most messages of those who support is like "Oh, thanks, i'm just started so it's so cool that i have my learnings right now, at maximum, thx" and "Wow, free skillpoints? cookie-e-e-e-s!". I,I,I....

Ebisu Kami
Posted - 2010.12.11 01:19:00 - [1942]
 

Originally by: JcJet
This.

Most messages of those who support is like "Oh, thanks, i'm just started so it's so cool that i have my learnings right now, at maximum, thx" and "Wow, free skillpoints? cookie-e-e-e-s!". I,I,I....


Oh, indeed? What do you base your extrapolation on? Where's the survey?

JcJet
Caldari
Pretenders Inc
W-Space
Posted - 2010.12.11 02:45:00 - [1943]
 

Originally by: Ebisu Kami
Originally by: JcJet
This.

Most messages of those who support is like "Oh, thanks, i'm just started so it's so cool that i have my learnings right now, at maximum, thx" and "Wow, free skillpoints? cookie-e-e-e-s!". I,I,I....


Oh, indeed? What do you base your extrapolation on? Where's the survey?

Take any of those messages, and it'll be so in 90% times.
I don't want to make it personal, some people may take its too hard...

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2010.12.11 08:38:00 - [1944]
 

Originally by: Mandy Bonebright
You and I both have $10,000 dollars. We both put it in the bank and collect interest at 10% monthly return. After 2 months I withdraw my money $10,200 and spend it on a nice vacation where I play in the sun and have fun. Meanwhile you keep you money in the back for 5 years. Then all of a sudden because I think it is not far you have all that interest and I don't the bank decides that you can have your $10,000 back and put $9,500 in the bank for both of us to get interest off of. Mind you, you did get $6,000 in interest over those 5 years but you never got that $10,000 vacation I had.
PS: Postcard from the beach.


Not quite.

The one who saved money longer now gets a 4 months free trip to Bahamas from the Bank for being a nice client, while the one who saved less gets a 1 month trip to Kentucky because he didn't put as much effort in.

He got a vacation few years ago, not he is getting little, you didn't get anything before, now you are getting several vacations in a row.

Ebisu Kami
Posted - 2010.12.11 13:25:00 - [1945]
 

Originally by: JcJet
Originally by: Ebisu Kami
Originally by: JcJet
This.

Most messages of those who support is like "Oh, thanks, i'm just started so it's so cool that i have my learnings right now, at maximum, thx" and "Wow, free skillpoints? cookie-e-e-e-s!". I,I,I....


Oh, indeed? What do you base your extrapolation on? Where's the survey?

Take any of those messages, and it'll be so in 90% times.
I don't want to make it personal, some people may take its too hard...


So in other words, you just pretend it is the way, that suits you the most. Well done dude.

Gravitsap
Posted - 2010.12.11 13:44:00 - [1946]
 

i am proposing new question with CAPS at inital article: "WHY I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT AND THOSE PAINTINGS? WOULD BE RED CROSSES STILL AVAILABLE AFTER 14TH?". Answer must be: "Dont worry, all changes will be done are dedicated to do red crosses more fatty and tasty. Also we do much christmas gifts. Thats sense of all letters, numbers and child's pictures there"

Gravitsap
Posted - 2010.12.11 13:55:00 - [1947]
 

i am proposing new question with CAPS at inital blog message: "WHY I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT AND THOSE PAINTINGS MEAN? WOULD BE RED CROSSES STILL AVAILABLE TO SHOOT AFTER 14TH?". Answer must be: "Dont worry, all changes will be done are dedicated to do red crosses more fatty and tasty. Also we gonna to do christmas gifts. Thats sense of all letters, numbers and child's pictures there"

YAMANTAKA
Posted - 2010.12.11 14:34:00 - [1948]
 

few days left but one final question now that i understand finally what will happen.

for example : i have in inteligence attribute 22 points that means 8 basic + 8 from learning skills + 5 from implant = 22
the question is after 14th dec will i have 22 + 12 points ?
or 8 basic -8 from learning skills + 5 from implants +12 gift = 25 ?

sorry if it answered but i miss it
thank you

Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
Posted - 2010.12.11 15:30:00 - [1949]
 

Edited by: Joss56 on 11/12/2010 15:30:53
Originally by: YAMANTAKA
few days left but one final question now that i understand finally what will happen.

for example : i have in inteligence attribute 22 points that means 8 basic + 8 from learning skills + 5 from implant = 22
the question is after 14th dec will i have 22 + 12 points ?
or 8 basic -8 from learning skills + 5 from implants +12 gift = 25 ?

sorry if it answered but i miss it
thank you


Please read Tipia and Ebisu posts in this thread, you'll know exactly what is going on.
It's some big change that need clear and true information, read them you'll not regret.

Ebisu Kami
Posted - 2010.12.11 15:33:00 - [1950]
 

Originally by: YAMANTAKA
few days left but one final question now that i understand finally what will happen.

for example : i have in inteligence attribute 22 points that means 8 basic + 8 from learning skills + 5 from implant = 22
the question is after 14th dec will i have 22 + 12 points ?
or 8 basic -8 from learning skills + 5 from implants +12 gift = 25 ?

sorry if it answered but i miss it
thank you


8 basic? That can't be right. Currently, the formula is:
(3 basic + learning skills for that attribute + implant + freely remapable points)*(1+0,05*Learning Skill Level)

After the change on 14th the formula will be:
15 basic + implant + freely remapable points


Pages: first : previous : ... 59 60 61 62 63 64 [65] 66 67 : last (67)

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only