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Inanna Zuni
Minmatar
The Causality
Electus Matari
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:12:00 - [1351]
 

Originally by: Ebisu Kami
There is, literally no reason to not train learning skills, if you wanted to stay in this game. That is not a tool to sort out people, that is not a way to give the game diversity, they did not give any advantage in this game, since everybody and their mom had them anyways.


Oh so WRONG!

The sensibility of training the learning skills is seen by *most* players as something to be desired, but *when* you do them differentiates between players.

One of my mains spent their first six months or so *only* training the learning skills. Nothing else. This also meant, naturally, that they were a pretty useless pilot and not good for anything whatsoever during that period.

My other main (this account) mixed doing some learning skills with doing piloting, shooting, searching, making skills.

And alts may only skill, say, memory and intelligence as they are the main requirements for the skillbooks they need to train for their planned function.

If everyone has the same skills and the same learning speed then EVE is a lesser world; less differentiated, less involved, less to work towards.

This nerf may be a buff for n00b pilots, but they'll be the only ones to benefit. The rest of us will have lost the time and money we spent on training some or all of the learning skills, even though we may get a refund of the SPs themselves.

CCP, clearly, want to attract new players and their monthly payments, but the easier EVE becomes the less likely players will stay long term. There are many pilots here 5-6-7 years. What other MMORPG can say that? What MMORPG is even still around!


IZ

Lliabron
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:13:00 - [1352]
 

Edited by: Lliabron on 26/11/2010 18:18:50
Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 26/11/2010 17:57:11
Originally by: Lliabron
Are you seriously telling me players will leave the skillpoints freed unassigned?
No, I'm saying that not reimbursing the ISK outlay for the skillbooks does not constitute a removal of value from the game. The value (in ISK) was removed when people bought those skill books all those days/weeks/months/years ago (and then added directly back in again in the form of the book itself). You want to add the ISK back, which can't be done without ill effects since that would require the book to be removed… but the book no longer exists.
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Value is being removed. Value is not just ISK.
True. It is also items. The items that are removed (the non-injected skillbooks) are being compensated for by ISK — value removed matches value entered. You're suggesting an addition of value (ISK for already injected skillbooks) that does not match any removal of value.

If you want to argue that skillpoints hold value, then there is still no removal: the injected skillbooks are removed, and are compensated for by the SP returned.
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Not compensating the ISK spent is intentional deflation (please understand that at this point I don't consider the ISK dump argument relevant at all, for reasons mentioned here and above).
Not compensating the ISK spent on books that are no longer in the game is economy-neutral. The books aren't there any more. The value-in/value-out balancing has already happened (someone paid ISK and got the book). It does not cause deflation. Addng ISK out of nowhere as compensation for something that has already added its value to the game means you add ISK out of nowhere — bad idea.

As is, I have skills injected and trained. I will get compensation for training, but not for injection. Hence I'm losing the value. Game wise, I will need to purchase another skillbooks to apply the freed skillpoints. That is the value that I have now and that will be removed and that is not currently planned to be compensated for anyhow.

Consider different situation:
-CCP decides to rework all titan skills
-CCP will make skillpoints sum available to the players but makes no compensation for skillbooks
-Players have sunk billions in skillbooks to train up to that, but CCP will actually consider this neutral since they may had chance already to have the fun with titans (even if they just merely trained it). As per your logic they would have nothing to complain because skillbooks are not there anymore.
I disagree with that logic. The way it's planned it's taking away 50+millions from all that injected these skills.
EDIT:
Also in titan skills example, that players would have to purchase skillbooks billions worth all over again to get any benefit of their skillpoints, is also economy neutral in every way and no deflation at all Question Yea, right...

Howlin Mad
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:14:00 - [1353]
 

I think this is a good idea. My Learning drops as I have all but one learning to 5, but it drops for everyone, so it's relative I guess.

HOWEVER If CCP dumbs down any of the skill points for fitting, social and ships then me and my alts are gone!

Vega Vix
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:15:00 - [1354]
 

Just because the majority wants it doesn't make the majority right. A majority of Americans wanted to keep segregation until only very recently, decades after the government had taken action to end segregation. A majority of Spaniards supported Franco, and even George W. Bush got re-elected. Remember that Aristotle warned against following the will of the majority because the majority are not necessarily well-informed enough to make judgments in all areas. Just because a majority of EVE's players whine about learning skills hurting their real-life heads does not mean CCP should take the skills away.

In the case of learning skills, they have had many desirable effects on gameplay:
1) Along with the original character generation scheme, the learning skillgroup added an incredible level of complexity to EVE that filtered out undesirable players. In other words, it has helped keep the number of mind-numbing morons to a minimum and has fostered a mature, flexible, and intellectually able player base.
2) The extra level of complexity can be conquered in two ways: either the player figures out the system for himself, or another entity informs him how it works. Successful corporations (like EVE University or Agony Unleashed) used to be built around educated players passing on their intellect to only a select few.
3) Having a majority of players "in the dark" about how an aspect of the game works is part of what makes EVE magical. If everything is approachable and understandable, there is no mystery.
4) Learning skills, for those educated in their usage, were a way to select how long you planned to play EVE.
5) For the uneducated players, the learning skills have formed a big grey area that is usually avoided. The consequence is that these players train more slowly, which is entirely necessary in a sandbox like EVE. It means that smart players have a chance against oblivious veterans. Our edge is now gone and all toons are created equal.

In general, this new "balance" on the playing field takes a lot of the oomph out of a veteran player's experience. I don't know if I want to play the EVE of the future: overrun by 5M WoW-style players every day, where every rare item is so common it is available for cheap, where 98% of players carebear around in high-sec space working to level up. CCP devs, if you want to continue to create the best MMORPG on the planet, you've gotta stop sacrificing the key aspects of your game to satisfy the whims of a whiny majority.

Why not just remove attributes altogether? Then we can get XP instead of bounties and standing reputation, and we can level up only once we've killed enough ships. Then EVE will be identical to WoW. You'll probably make the majority happy and you'll get more new subscriptions in the long run.

Maybe a majority of players would like to see the end of character generation. After all, it no longer matters whether you were born Amarrian or Minmatar. Take away the four races that confuse everyone, and merge all toons into one race called the Nomz. Or the Jove. I mean, if the majority wants it, the majority knows best, right?

One final, personal beef. My perfect learning skills, remap, and +5 implant give me the equivalent of 13 bonus points to my Perception attribute, resulting in nearly 2800 sp/hr. Since remaps first became available, I have worked up to this point, avoiding things I would much rather have trained in order to get them out of my way (since I won't have anything like my birth attributes until 2014 at the earliest). Once your patch takes effect, I will lose a bonus point on Perception. I doubt I am alone. So do those of us l33ts with 13 points just crawl up in a corner and accept our loss? Or do we maintain our dignity and try desperately to find a game that used to have as mature a player base and a dev team as EVE Online? Or maybe you guys have seen the problem and are looking for a solution?

Shawshanke
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:16:00 - [1355]
 

Edited by: Shawshanke on 26/11/2010 18:16:14
Originally by: Einear Lightfingers
Final question then I am leaving this discussion as it is getting us no where. CCP will do what they want to do regardless of the effects it will have. SWG demonstrated the power of poor judgment and the Admins abilities to carry it out. My question: With no other avenue and being completely dissatisfied with this change. I am going to leave EVE. Pack my 5 accounts up and get out. My issue now is I have paid for all my subscriptions up to 12 months in advance. How do I get my real dollars back? A petition has been opened requesting this info, but I suspect it will be treated like any none PVP petition... It will get read some time next year.


The bad news for you is that you are up **** creek, the good news everyone else is you will be replaced by 20 noobs who will be more fun to play this game with.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:19:00 - [1356]
 

Originally by: Einear Lightfingers
Final question then I am leaving this discussion as it is getting us no where. CCP will do what they want to do regardless of the effects it will have. SWG demonstrated the power of poor judgment and the Admins abilities to carry it out. My question: With no other avenue and being completely dissatisfied with this change. I am going to leave EVE. Pack my 5 accounts up and get out. My issue now is I have paid for all my subscriptions up to 12 months in advance. How do I get my real dollars back? A petition has been opened requesting this info, but I suspect it will be treated like any none PVP petition... It will get read some time next year.


god damn

Stop tring to compare this to SWG! this is 10th time a change in eve has been compared to it!

speed changes
super cap changes
new character creation

THIS IS NOTHING LIKE SWG OMG STFU

IN SWG the majority of players did not support the change.
In SWG they reduced a game based on skill points to a level grind and deleted your character if you had too many skill points.
In SWG they changed the combat system so that no one even knew what they were playing anymore.
In SWG they had just released an expansion 2 weeks before hand that was REMOVED without notice to make way for the NGE.

Also in SWG after losing 75% of the playerbase they never reverse the changes. Which was the biggest laugh I ever had.

NOW GTFO

Rymden
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:20:00 - [1357]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Ebisu Kami
Originally by: Rymden
It does. I said I have partialy trained in learning. Say I have learning perception up +5 and no other learning skills trained. I then notice I need more int. so I remap so int and perc have the same value. +5 from perception is then taken away meening I will not have equal int. and perc.


You get the equivalent of learning 5/5 hardwired into your toon by default.


He does have a point, though; if he just remapped lots of attribute points towards mem, to even out with perc, then after the 5/5 event suddenly his mem will be sky-high (and maybe too high for his taste). So, I think he's saying that, had he known this upfront, he wouldn't have 'robbed' his own perc to begin with.

Having said that, there's a real underlying flaw in a plan that lets you train learning skills with mem at '0'. :) So he might have addressed that issue in the first place.


Yeah, this is exaclty what i meen. Had I known I would have waited with a respec. Now I will have a inbalance in my attributes that I didnt want.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:21:00 - [1358]
 

Originally by: Lliabron
As is, I have skills injected and trained. I will get compensation for training, but not for injection. Hence I'm losing the value.
No you're not. In fact, chances are that you'll be overcompensated through the addition of the 5×12 attribute points. You are getting exactly what you wanted from that skill book — possibly even more.

You might want to argue that this creates some inflation in attribute points (due to the "possibly even more" bit), but that cannot be compensated through ISK, nor should it be due to the effects that would have on the actual (and very separate) ISK-based economy.

The compensation you're looking for makes no sense because the value balancing has already happened.

John Spooner
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:22:00 - [1359]
 

So wait if I trained analytical mind to V for 500k skill points and the refund comes, I'd be able to redistribute those points in to a 7x training time skill? I smell exploits.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:22:00 - [1360]
 

Originally by: Inanna Zuni
Originally by: Ebisu Kami
There is, literally no reason to not train learning skills, if you wanted to stay in this game. That is not a tool to sort out people, that is not a way to give the game diversity, they did not give any advantage in this game, since everybody and their mom had them anyways.


Oh so WRONG!

The sensibility of training the learning skills is seen by *most* players as something to be desired, but *when* you do them differentiates between players.


CCP, clearly, want to attract new players and their monthly payments, but the easier EVE becomes the less likely players will stay long term. There are many pilots here 5-6-7 years. What other MMORPG can say that? What MMORPG is even still around!


IZ


Hi 5 year player i support. I want my sp back!

also learnign skills are NOT a choice. I don't think most player realise what the times 2 speed thing really did.

it doesn't take 6 months anymore, to get to 5/4 it takes 2 months.

and it pays off in 3 months.

it's not a choice unless you'll be around for less than 2 months.

think about it a +5 cha implant gives you.... +10!
and each point in learning gives you 2 poitns instead of 1.

you actually train at times 4.8 faster by the time you're done if you follow the right path.

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:24:00 - [1361]
 

Originally by: Vega Vix
Or maybe you guys have seen the problem and are looking for a solution?


I think they see the problem is loyal, long-term players who brought them the financial success they enjoy today. This is the solution.

Lliabron
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:26:00 - [1362]
 

Edited by: Lliabron on 26/11/2010 18:31:23
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Lliabron
As is, I have skills injected and trained. I will get compensation for training, but not for injection. Hence I'm losing the value.
No you're not. In fact, chances are that you'll be overcompensated through the addition of the 5×12 attribute points. You are getting exactly what you wanted from that skill book — possibly even more.

You might want to argue that this creates some inflation in attribute points (due to the "possibly even more" bit), but that cannot be compensated through ISK, nor should it be due to the effects that would have on the actual (and very separate) ISK-based economy.

The compensation you're looking for makes no sense because the value balancing has already happened.

How possibly can something that everybody will get be a compensation of my particular ISKies spent into skillbooks?!?
EDIT:
What I expected from the skillbooks was competetive advantage in long run over those that would take these later. That will be gone through the chimney. I'm OK with that. What I'm not OK with is CCP not compensating the ISKies spent. And with ccp not providing any plausible reason for doing this change at all(the reason they gave should have been addressed by updating FAQ not adjusting game engine).

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:27:00 - [1363]
 

Originally by: Lliabron
How possibly can something that everybody will get be a compensation of my particular ISKies spent into skillbooks?!?
You either already got the value of those ISKs, or you will get it as part of the patch. What others get is utterly irrelevant for compensating you on your outlays.

Inanna Zuni
Minmatar
The Causality
Electus Matari
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:30:00 - [1364]
 

Originally by: Shawshanke
the good news everyone else is you will be replaced by 20 noobs who will be more fun to play this game with.


I'd like to think you are joking with this statement, but really worry that you aren't.

EVE needs a *mix* of experienced, long-term players alongside newer pilots. If you only want the latter to exist then you just want easy target practice and no working to get better.

And if you are given everything you want without working for it over a period of time, then what investment do you really have in the game? Answer is very little; you'll be quite happy to leave EVE for the new shiny when it comes along.

IZ

Aeonidis
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:31:00 - [1365]
 

I disagree with this, its a nerf. I am an EVE noob, I have just spent 2.5 months training these skills to 5/5 with an investment of ~32.50 USD now not only have I just had those 2.5 months out of my first six months in EVE wasted learning skills that are going away it really seems to me that I wont be training my other skills that I was training up the Learning Skills to train faster on; any faster but rather slower now. So not only did CCP basically steal a third of my initial 6 month payment but they are slowing stealing from me in the long run as well. This sucks, implementation is horrible. I wont be renewing my subscription come January.


Aeonidis

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:35:00 - [1366]
 

Originally by: Aeonidis
I have just spent 2.5 months training these skills to 5/5 with an investment of ~32.50 USD now not only have I just had those 2.5 months out of my first six months in EVE
…and that sentiment is exactly the reason why they had to go.
Quote:
So not only did CCP basically steal a third of my initial 6 month payment but they are slowing stealing from me in the long run as well.
No. You're getting those first months back, all at once (and if you mean "steal" as in "I could have done other, funnier things", then see above: that's the reason they had to go). The rest is just something that happens to all of us, so you're no better or worse off relatively speaking.

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:37:00 - [1367]
 

Originally by: Aeonidis
I disagree with this, its a nerf. I am an EVE noob, I have just spent 2.5 months training these skills to 5/5 with an investment of ~32.50 USD now not only have I just had those 2.5 months out of my first six months in EVE wasted learning skills that are going away it really seems to me that I wont be training my other skills that I was training up the Learning Skills to train faster on; any faster but rather slower now. So not only did CCP basically steal a third of my initial 6 month payment but they are slowing stealing from me in the long run as well. This sucks, implementation is horrible. I wont be renewing my subscription come January.


Aeonidis


Sorry man, I'd be in the same boat as you if they'd done this a year and a half ago. You totally got shafted.

You find out pretty quickly that this is the best game in the industry with the worst management/dev team in the industry. Seems incongruous, but I figure they had some real geniuses working for them years ago and those people have moved on.

Lliabron
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:42:00 - [1368]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Lliabron
How possibly can something that everybody will get be a compensation of my particular ISKies spent into skillbooks?!?
You either already got the value of those ISKs, or you will get it as part of the patch. What others get is utterly irrelevant for compensating you on your outlays.

How did I already got the value of those ISKies? Making my *** of on low level missions early to make money for advanced learning skills, taking long time to complete due to low skills?
So I will get these 50 millions compensation in already injected and to some extent trained advanced learning skills?
What others get is completely relevant for me since this is multiplayer and pvp-heavy game.

What I say is, yes this change is not utterly wrong, but some part of it is still unfair.

Blu Silver
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:43:00 - [1369]
 

So many opinions so few bullets to take care of their owners.


ROAR.

Rhaegar Thrax
Gallente
Militaris Industries
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:44:00 - [1370]
 

My heart goes out to CCP Greyscale for being the one at the CCP office to draw the shortest straw, so he was the one having to deliver this news to the raging hordes of people doing srs bsnss with internet spaceships.

Anyway, glad to see them gone, had a feeling that learning skills was too much of a fat, disgusting guy standing in the doorway that leads to actual play value in New Eden, who repels most new players.

It's allright to get rid of that doorman, he was not good at his job, there are other more efficient doormen waiting further in the hallway that'll ensure that we get the kind of players we want.

Good job CCP, it was a long overdue.

Shawshanke
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:44:00 - [1371]
 

Edited by: Shawshanke on 26/11/2010 18:46:13
Originally by: Inanna Zuni


I'd like to think you are joking with this statement, but really worry that you aren't.

EVE needs a *mix* of experienced, long-term players alongside newer pilots. If you only want the latter to exist then you just want easy target practice and no working to get better.

And if you are given everything you want without working for it over a period of time, then what investment do you really have in the game? Answer is very little; you'll be quite happy to leave EVE for the new shiny when it comes along.

IZ


I don't want all the vets to leave, just the ones that scream EVE is DyInG and i'm quitting every single time they change anything, add anything, fix a bug, extend down time for one hour for one day etc.

But they never leave/delete their toons, he'll be back to tell us eve is dying and he's quitting again as soon as CCP dose anything.Rolling Eyes

Safran Foer
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:46:00 - [1372]
 

Edited by: Safran Foer on 26/11/2010 18:48:38

But anyway, now this is out of the way I'm waiting for implants to be removed from the game and CCP giving everyone an extra 5 points of each base stat.
Getting isk to buy them is such a time sink you know... Confused

Quote:
It also means that the default character gets attributes 25/25/25/25/24 (Charisma being one point lower), which looks very pretty and sensible and planned, which is always nice when it happens by accident.



AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:47:00 - [1373]
 

Originally by: Rhaegar Thrax
My heart goes out to CCP Greyscale for being the one at the CCP office to draw the shortest straw, so he was the one having to deliver this news to the raging hordes of people doing srs bsnss with internet spaceships.

Anyway, glad to see them gone, had a feeling that learning skills was too much of a fat, disgusting guy standing in the doorway that leads to actual play value in New Eden, who repels most new players.

It's allright to get rid of that doorman, he was not good at his job, there are other more efficient doormen waiting further in the hallway that'll ensure that we get the kind of players we want.

Good job CCP, it was a long overdue.


Don't you have a wardec to go petition or something?

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:50:00 - [1374]
 

Originally by: Mayhem Mugu
now please explain why the CSM thinks that those of us with max learning skills should get a nerf while everyone else gets buffed. (everyone gets the skill point repayment)


I for one don't. If you look at the Learning skills proposal on the wiki, you'll see that one suggestion was a slightly more extreme remap be allowed, which would bring the max training rate up to 2760 (vs 2772), as well as an extra remap, and compensation for the cost of the skillbooks.

When CCP discussed their plans with us, I restated those points of concern. However, CCP did not think that they could expand the proposal and still make their QA deadlines for the Xmas release, and I have no reason to believe they were being disingenuous.

Any change to the game is going to be considered a buff by some and a nerf by others; this is really no different. And as someone who has trained learning skills extensively on both my mains, I do not consider this to be a nerf to me -- it is just not as much of an obvious buff as other people are getting.

Note also that the items in the CSM proposal that would render the nerf to 5/5's miniscule (-12 sp/hr) can be added by CCP at a later date. I believe they should do so, I told them so, and I will continue to tell them so.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.11.26 18:52:00 - [1375]
 

Originally by: Lliabron
How did I already got the value of those ISKies?
You got exactly what you wanted, at every step of the way.

You wanted the skillbook, so you paid ISK for it, rather than for something else.
You wanted more attribute points, so you injected (and trained) the skill, rather than something else.

Now, you have the attribute points you wanted, and for which you injected that skill book, rather than sell it. You also got the SP you spent on training the skill, rather than on something else. Everything you wanted, you've now been given.

Aeonidis
Posted - 2010.11.26 19:01:00 - [1376]
 

Edited by: Aeonidis on 26/11/2010 19:02:26
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Aeonidis
I have just spent 2.5 months training these skills to 5/5 with an investment of ~32.50 USD now not only have I just had those 2.5 months out of my first six months in EVE
…and that sentiment is exactly the reason why they had to go.
Quote:
So not only did CCP basically steal a third of my initial 6 month payment but they are slowing stealing from me in the long run as well.
No. You're getting those first months back, all at once (and if you mean "steal" as in "I could have done other, funnier things", then see above: that's the reason they had to go). The rest is just something that happens to all of us, so you're no better or worse off relatively speaking.


I wasnt speaking relatively I was speaking absolutely, since I spent money to play the game and money to buy PLEX to buy those skills books and spent time training them, in reality I got shafted really hard over the short and long term of the game. If I had planned only only playing for sixth months or a year I would have laid out a totally skill Plan and omitted all but the one I absolutely needed to obtain my goals. Rather I was planning really long term, several years minimum. With seemingly arbitrary changes such as this, implemented in too short of time without any discussions or thoughts towards real life investments of time and money I must rethink if I truly want to invest anymore time and money into this game, seriously I came up with no I don't.

Aeonidis

Lliabron
Posted - 2010.11.26 19:01:00 - [1377]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Lliabron
How did I already got the value of those ISKies?
You got exactly what you wanted, at every step of the way.

You wanted the skillbook, so you paid ISK for it, rather than for something else.
You wanted more attribute points, so you injected (and trained) the skill, rather than something else.

Now, you have the attribute points you wanted, and for which you injected that skill book, rather than sell it. You also got the SP you spent on training the skill, rather than on something else. Everything you wanted, you've now been given.

No. I wanted skills that would give me possibility of skill-wise competitive advantage in long run. I have neihter the skill nor the ISKies I payed for it.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.11.26 19:04:00 - [1378]
 

Originally by: Lliabron
No. I wanted skills that would give me possibility of skill-wise competitive advantage in long run. I have neihter the skill nor the ISKies I payed for it.
Then you got them for a reason that doesn't really exist… Total SP is not a competition, and serves no purpose except to make your clone more expensive.

Lliabron
Posted - 2010.11.26 19:12:00 - [1379]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Lliabron
No. I wanted skills that would give me possibility of skill-wise competitive advantage in long run. I have neihter the skill nor the ISKies I payed for it.
Then you got them for a reason that doesn't really exist… Total SP is not a competition, and serves no purpose except to make your clone more expensive.

EVE is sandbox game. Please stop telling me how shoult I play it. Total skillpoints has no meaning to me. However, having more skills (and implicated advantage from that in all kinds of activities) since I did made early sacrifice others did not made is entirely different thing.

Ice Fenix
Posted - 2010.11.26 19:14:00 - [1380]
 

There are good and bad points in removing learning skills, very good one is to kill scammers and help noobs, and (your main target i think) let noobs speed up exploration of eve universe wonders to tempt them even more to switch to paid subscription.

Very bad point is u're going to "flatten" a bit more game: since the patch will be deployed everyone will need exactly same time to train same thing (with only implants left to change it a very little bit), i really can't see this an improvement.

A lot better way to save gameplay, help noobs and kill market scammers would be to LET ALL LEARNING SKILLS ALREDY INJECTED SINCE CHARACTER IS CREATED. But of course u need paid subcriptions :)


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