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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2010.11.26 02:11:00 - [991]
 

Originally by: Master Flakattack
Edited by: Master Flakattack on 26/11/2010 01:53:53
Edited by: Master Flakattack on 26/11/2010 01:47:23
Originally by: Kazini Jax
While I am ok with the change, as long as you don't go overboard, I have to agree with those that say time lost should be reimbursed also. The time spent actually learning the skills at a slower SP/h pace than a newbie has to account for something. A 5-10% bonus reimburesemnt to Learning SPs earned. perhaps.
Also, calling that a 1/2 of a Xmas present? Really? That's like taking $50 from me, taking $3 and wrapping up the other $47 in a nice bow, giving it back, and saying "Merry Christmas!" (when taking into consideration the time spent debate).


While I understand that refunding us the skill book costs would introduce far too much money into the economy, I really do think that those of us who had to train those learning skills without a speed boost (like the noobs get now pre-learning skill genocide) should get some bonus SP. We wasted a lot of time training those at sub-par SP/hour rates.

Also what the hell, no neural remap? Seriously?

Originally by: MotherMoon
the 4 million sp you have in learning skills is sp that was wasted. And you'r getting 3-5 MONTHS OF skills points FOR FREE in a split second, and you would rather opt for no sp, free gametime? WHAT THE HELL? WHY!?!?!

You're missing the point. Imagine spending weeks training your learning skills up slowly at what, 800sp/hour, if that? Slowly, ever so slowly, you increase your sp/hour rate. It takes a damn long time to do so. Yes, you were getting exponentially faster skill gain, but no more so than what a new player will be able to crank out. Those skill points ARE NOT FREE. They cost us money and time, and not just learning skill at 2200sp/hour time, I mean learning skill at 800sp/hour time, which is damn slow...

I love this change. I hated the learning skills and I'm glad, for everyone's sake, they are gone. But just getting the SP back really isn't enough... we lost a lot of extra time to those skills, and are due some extra SP I think.


ok I hear yah.. but... They will never catch up with us anyways :P

Sully Tude
Posted - 2010.11.26 02:11:00 - [992]
 

Oh the emorage, so delicious!

Been waiting for this day for over a year.

Educated Rodent
Posted - 2010.11.26 02:12:00 - [993]
 

I read all the way up to page 30.

My brain assplode.

anthonieak
Gallente
SuX ltd.
Posted - 2010.11.26 02:17:00 - [994]
 

If i read correctly you get base 7/8 + 12 + your implant from 1 till 5.

so can get 20/20/20/20/19 and with implants on lvl 5 25/25/25/25/24

Could they not make this sooner my third account a did first 3 months offline too get all the learning skills on lvl 5. You get it back but do also get those 3 months back in time.

This only good for players who will start eve for the first time. They lvl now even fast as the eve player who plays already a long time.

The treshold too play eve is now much lower.

This means that there come a lot of new eveplayers. Can take tranquility also this storm of players on or are we coping with the lag we had 2 years ago again?

AK


Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
Posted - 2010.11.26 02:20:00 - [995]
 

Originally by: Boinz
Its peopple like this that make this community look like a bunch of crying big babies who always want more than they are given.Neutral


Being new player since a few months now, i'm happy to get those sp back to something more usefull, but i admit that for older players that didn't had 100% speed on 1.6M sp, they should get some little extra.

Now how can you do that?
You must admit that somehow that guy is right, but it's quite hard to find some compromise and, sorry folks if you dont get that little extra but i think you vets deserve it.

Boinz
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.26 02:29:00 - [996]
 

Edited by: Boinz on 26/11/2010 02:30:12
Originally by: Joss56
Originally by: Boinz
Its peopple like this that make this community look like a bunch of crying big babies who always want more than they are given.Neutral


Being new player since a few months now, i'm happy to get those sp back to something more usefull, but i admit that for older players that didn't had 100% speed on 1.6M sp, they should get some little extra.

Now how can you do that?
You must admit that somehow that guy is right, but it's quite hard to find some compromise and, sorry folks if you dont get that little extra but i think you vets deserve it.


They do this all the time, firstly when new players got 700k chars with some skills trained for them
then they did it again when ccp went back to the 50k sp chars with 100% training bonus
and now again with this.
its just tiring, old and never gets any results.

also im a 2005, january player here but i have a new char, should I demand a little extra too?

Veryez
Posted - 2010.11.26 02:29:00 - [997]
 

Good idea, not so good implementation. As a 5/5/5 player this is a flat out 2-3% nerf, so only coal for xmas.

For those that think it is great that newer players are equal to vets, remember you are equal to nerfed vets. Had you trained the skills, you would have been training faster than you will after the changes.

To the "you get 5.3 mil sp to use as you like" group, yes this is a minor benifit, however a nerf is still a nerf.

Had CCP phrased it, "We're removing Large/Medium/Small XXX spec 5, the max you can train it to is 4 from now on, this way players who trained it to 4 are equal to those who trained it to 5, but if you trained it to 5, you'll get the SP to use where you'd like..." I'm sure most would not be so pleased. Even though it's only a 2-3% drop in DPS.

Doesn't matter in the long run, since the dev's have stopped responding, the decision has been made. Guess we'll all just adapt. Time to enjoy the last days of 2772.

Andrea Griffin
Posted - 2010.11.26 02:33:00 - [998]
 

Originally by: ph47
if i were a dev, and i were the one putting in the no doubt long LONG hours to develop new content and keep immproving this awesome game and then come to this forum and read some of the sh*t that gets posted on here, i'd rage quit my job
As a software developer myself, I can tell you that this is true. It's extremely frustrating to work hard and do the best that you can and then have someone take a gigantic dump on your head. It's one of the reasons I'd like to get out of the industry entirely.

As for the change, I don't have much of an issue with it. Seems like older players aren't really going to see much of a change at all given the combination of SP reimbursement and attribute points, while newer players don't have to go through the time to train the learning skills at all.

It does seem to cheapen skill point advancement a bit - those who put in the time advance a bit faster than everyone else - and I do miss that depth. But overall it isn't horrible and not worthy of the emo rage that I'm seeing in some of these posts.

What disappoints me the most is that the skill books are going to be removed from the game, even if I have them in my hangar somewhere. They could be awesome collector's items of times past. : >

Boinz
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.26 02:36:00 - [999]
 

Originally by: Andrea Griffin
Originally by: ph47
if i were a dev, and i were the one putting in the no doubt long LONG hours to develop new content and keep immproving this awesome game and then come to this forum and read some of the sh*t that gets posted on here, i'd rage quit my job
As a software developer myself, I can tell you that this is true. It's extremely frustrating to work hard and do the best that you can and then have someone take a gigantic dump on your head. It's one of the reasons I'd like to get out of the industry entirely.

As for the change, I don't have much of an issue with it. Seems like older players aren't really going to see much of a change at all given the combination of SP reimbursement and attribute points, while newer players don't have to go through the time to train the learning skills at all.

It does seem to cheapen skill point advancement a bit - those who put in the time advance a bit faster than everyone else - and I do miss that depth. But overall it isn't horrible and not worthy of the emo rage that I'm seeing in some of these posts.

What disappoints me the most is that the skill books are going to be removed from the game, even if I have them in my hangar somewhere. They could be awesome collector's items of times past. : >

+ 2 I hate nothing more than reading these negative comments about new content, i feel sorry for the devs and disgusted with the ****faces who post it.

Olivia Blundell
Posted - 2010.11.26 02:42:00 - [1000]
 

Edited by: Olivia Blundell on 26/11/2010 02:43:31
Have cancelled three accounts and distributed 3 years worth of gathering to whom I fought together with when I heard Plex for remap. ( Sorry, not a dime left in my wallet. I don't sell toons. I just simply delete them. )

EVE has been so much of leisure for the last 3 years but not anymore. Seeing how CCP bluntly dashes learning skills, I'm glad I've made that decision.

I don't think that EVE is dying. No. Rather, EVE is reshaping its core game experience to provide a WoW-like game world, where die-hard users can still stick their fingers into its core, inner contents while cheap, easy-going crust outside make a lot more of casual players happy.

It's mostly Win-Win situation, b/c old, hardcore players get more contents and opponents to slaughter, and new players can be rather smoothly retained.

Nevertheless, for those who have purchased the original game experience, it's simply not acceptable. Well, more precisely, indigestible and disgusting. Oh well, what can I do? I'm just a customer, not a developer. I don't own any of CCP's stock to say a word. If I'm not happy, I can just walk away, right? Wink

As CCP keeps milking, EVE will become even more shallow. And, more easy-going folks does not necessarily mean a bigger, loyal user base. They just come and go.

Enjoy as long as it tastes good.

Patri Andari
Caldari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
Posted - 2010.11.26 02:42:00 - [1001]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon


wait what? But they are giving the time back.

think about it, you'd rather they not give you back the sp for learning skills but give you back gametime? Then you'd have to wait 2-3 months of free game time just to get that sp THEY WOULD OF GIVEN YOU FOR FREE.

the 4 million sp you have in learning skills is sp that was wasted. And you'r getting 3-5 MONTHS OF skills points FOR FREE in a split second, and you would rather opt for no sp, free gametime? WHAT THE HELL? WHY!?!?!


Here is where so many of you beggars are missing the point. Learning skills are not like any other skills in the game. They are (as far as i can tell) the ONLY skills that act as a purely strategic investment. People trained them to high levels not just so they could reap benefits for a while, but to pull ahead of their peers and in many cases older vets who chose to train other skills.

When trained to the max, those people fully expected not to get a ROI for years but still did so expecting that investment to give them a competitive edge far into the future. Perhaps for the life of this game!

What? Did I say competitive? In a PVP game?

Yes! I toiled and gave up other things to be better than others in one very particular area of this game expecting that others who made other choices would be less so.

Where are all those elite PVPers spouting about risk/reward? Someone trained a skill that made them more competitive then others and now those others get a free ride? Fine, then those who trained the skills (especially those who trained to max) should get free ride+. The plus is to compensate them not just for the time invested but for the loss of their competive advantage going forward, at least in some small part.

Now I accept that this change is going to happen. Really, I do, but please stop saying that those who trained the skills are compensated merely by returning their SP. This would be true for almost any other skill but not for those one that help you train all skills faster. It should be SP plus a factor. Hell, give folks who trained advanced to level 5 a one time experimental +6 implant on top of their SP. Give them additional remaps relative to the level of their learning skills. For Christ sake give them something more as a return!

If you give lazy beggars free attributes then you should give those who made a strategic choice something more. Otherwise this is a handout which wreaks of redistribution of earned competitive advantage.

Or we could just start handing out complimentary college diplomas to high school drop outs while reimbursing room and board to those who actually spent four years at university. Rolling Eyes [/UglyAmericanCapitalist off]







Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERWHERE
Posted - 2010.11.26 03:02:00 - [1002]
 

I read the article like, twice and thought very hard about what I was reading. All I know is that, like, I'm getting ~1.6 million SP reimbursed and nothing else is really changing... did I miss anything?

Shawshanke
Posted - 2010.11.26 03:04:00 - [1003]
 

NO MORE LEARNING SKILLS???
HOW THE HELL I'M I SUPPOSE TO FEEL SPECIAL NOW??
MY MOM STOPPED TELLING ME I'M SPECIAL SO ALL I HAD LEFT TO FEEL SPECIAL WAS THIS GAME!
AND NOW YOU HAVE POOPED ON MY PARADE!

/KILLS SELF ALL BECAUSE OF YOU!

Tesla Grass
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.26 03:06:00 - [1004]
 

Ty, CCP
I will now be able to fly both a freighter and an orca by xmas, whilst im mapped int/mem
you rock :P

Merouk Baas
Gallente
Posted - 2010.11.26 03:08:00 - [1005]
 

Heh, now if you could only remove all mention of "learning skills" from the boards, Evelopedia, and the Internets, at the same time as when the skills get removed, that would really be the bomb.

PhearFactor
Posted - 2010.11.26 03:12:00 - [1006]
 

I just got my learning skills up there and now you are taking them away. Wish you did this 4 months ago.


They should reset the attribute re-allocator also since all the attributes will be changing.

Thaylon Sen
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.26 03:14:00 - [1007]
 

Been here since beta, have all the learning skills... Love the change ccp, very good move and i'm looking forward to sticking the points into something fun.

Completely bemused by all the fuss, peeps are aware they are playing a game right?

Malycert
Posted - 2010.11.26 03:14:00 - [1008]
 

Originally by: Patri Andari
Originally by: MotherMoon


wait what? But they are giving the time back.

think about it, you'd rather they not give you back the sp for learning skills but give you back gametime? Then you'd have to wait 2-3 months of free game time just to get that sp THEY WOULD OF GIVEN YOU FOR FREE.

the 4 million sp you have in learning skills is sp that was wasted. And you'r getting 3-5 MONTHS OF skills points FOR FREE in a split second, and you would rather opt for no sp, free gametime? WHAT THE HELL? WHY!?!?!


Here is where so many of you beggars are missing the point. Learning skills are not like any other skills in the game. They are (as far as i can tell) the ONLY skills that act as a purely strategic investment. People trained them to high levels not just so they could reap benefits for a while, but to pull ahead of their peers and in many cases older vets who chose to train other skills.

When trained to the max, those people fully expected not to get a ROI for years but still did so expecting that investment to give them a competitive edge far into the future. Perhaps for the life of this game!

What? Did I say competitive? In a PVP game?

Yes! I toiled and gave up other things to be better than others in one very particular area of this game expecting that others who made other choices would be less so.

Where are all those elite PVPers spouting about risk/reward? Someone trained a skill that made them more competitive then others and now those others get a free ride? Fine, then those who trained the skills (especially those who trained to max) should get free ride+. The plus is to compensate them not just for the time invested but for the loss of their competive advantage going forward, at least in some small part.

Now I accept that this change is going to happen. Really, I do, but please stop saying that those who trained the skills are compensated merely by returning their SP. This would be true for almost any other skill but not for those one that help you train all skills faster. It should be SP plus a factor. Hell, give folks who trained advanced to level 5 a one time experimental +6 implant on top of their SP. Give them additional remaps relative to the level of their learning skills. For Christ sake give them something more as a return!

If you give lazy beggars free attributes then you should give those who made a strategic choice something more. Otherwise this is a handout which wreaks of redistribution of earned competitive advantage.

Or we could just start handing out complimentary college diplomas to high school drop outs while reimbursing room and board to those who actually spent four years at university. Rolling Eyes [/UglyAmericanCapitalist off]



I completely agree. It took a long time for me to max out those skill points and I did it not because it would let me train my skills faster - I did it so I could train faster than other players and get an advantage. So, now I'm getting shat on for investing months of training? You're taking away something that reaps exponential benefits and replacing it with something linear. I'm not too happy about that.

ish311
Posted - 2010.11.26 03:15:00 - [1009]
 

ok but what will happen to my attributes will they be reset to 20/20/20/20/19? or will i keep my 22/25/19/25/22 the blog realy dose'nt say.
and what about the attributes remap since it would be the only way to change your attributes will we get more of them say every 6 months or so or will it be removed as well? anyhow thats my two cents DONT get me wrong I like the fact that the learning mechanics are getting some love. however I think we need to know what will happen to the attributes we all ready have. on the other hand I might have missed that part but I read the blog ten time to be safe.

ugh

ish

Emrys Ap'Morgravaine
Caldari
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.11.26 03:16:00 - [1010]
 

I think this is awesome and long overdue.

Being as I've had all my learnings maxxed for something like 3.5 years, I can't say as I'm -that- worked up about having a slight over-all drop in SP/Hour rate.

What I think some vets are missing (in order to properly emo-rage) is that not only are we getting all that 5.376 Mil back - but we've benefited for however long at the increased SP/Hour rate as it is - so actually we're up by that same margin.

In other words, due to me having had my stats maxxed for so long, I've actually accumulated an extra (1,728 SP/day * 1,246 days) 2,153,088 SP over the new modified baseline.

Granted, that's an approximate figure, and it won't be the same for everyone - but dammit, I'm still happy its done.

Now how many people are going to pour all those SP into a ****ty Charisma based group like Leadership I wonder? I foresee a rash of gang links and CS's in fleets :)

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.26 03:22:00 - [1011]
 

Originally by: Zin Bloodjin
Funny how the grizzled veterans who are against the change complain about the valuable real-world time they spent maxing out their Learning books, but don't seem to think it needs to change. I mean, they had to suffer thru it, but they're not complaining...Wink They're tough. Tough enough to insist their time feels wasted and everyone else's should too.

TUFF-E-NUFF to complain about 4 mil SP to redistribute as they see fit! F newbs! This game never ever loses players, why would it need new ones?Rolling Eyes
You have just stumbled upon one of the most prevalent hypocrosies that abound these forums Wink.

It boils down to "I need... I want... Me.... Myself... **** everyone else and **** what's good for the game in the long run".


Dan Kaneda
Kaneda's Evil Ninja Organization
Posted - 2010.11.26 03:24:00 - [1012]
 

If one day I'm bored of my char, this will make it easier to reroll. And so much more fun :)

Rein Crimson
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.11.26 03:27:00 - [1013]
 

Originally by: Patri Andari

If you give lazy beggars free attributes then you should give those who made a strategic choice something more. Otherwise this is a handout which wreaks of redistribution of earned competitive advantage.



Yea, maybe CCP should ask SOE how dumbing down SWG worked out for them. At least when they did, SOE did give some small skill advantage to long time vets who had busted their butt to skill up their toons. Even that was not enough to save the game as vets left in droves. I canceled 5 accounts within a week of that SOE blunder and swore I would never play another SOE game again and I haven't. CCP is not even going to do that. Returning just the learning skill points is totally unacceptable. There has to be additional compensation as there is going to be many in the player base (including myself)that are gonna feel we have been taken for a sucker. New players be damned, CCP needs to adequately take care of the vets too and this plan to just return sp's is a friggen insult. Man o man talk about deja vu, get it together CCP!!


Qarth
Posted - 2010.11.26 03:28:00 - [1014]
 

So the people that spent the time to get to 5/5 in all their learning skills are getting the shaft. While the lazy ones that only did 5/4 and less are getting the gold. Basically sums it up.

I'm glad the damn things are going away. They were an impediment to getting into the game. But. CCP, you need to do something for the people that spent the boring months training the advanced learning skills to 5. 2 1/2 months was the time invested (rough figure) to get those skills all to 5. 72 SP an hour is the loss for these people, with this change. Would be nice of you to reward those that spent the time and effort to advance their character long term for this. Say those that have 5,376,000 SP in learning should get a bonus for having done the time others refused too.

So write a subroutine into the program that remembrances the SP and if they have the 5,376,000 SP in learning they get something extra. Another 10% added to their refunded SP. A 13th attribute point to spend. A full set of +5 implants. Give them something for doing the time you are throwing out the door now.


Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.26 03:29:00 - [1015]
 

Originally by: Tonto Auri
Some quick number crunching for everyone curious.

Present:
Maximum attainable effective attribute value (primary): 33pt.
Maximum attainable effective attribute value (secondary): 26.4pt.
Maximum effective learning speed, thus: 2772 SP/hour.
Efficiency of implants (+5 assuming top skills and optimal remap): 1.217391
Efficiency of a remap (minmax): 1.4

Future (bright or not - decide...):
Maximum attainable effective attribute value (primary): 32pt.
Maximum attainable effective attribute value (secondary): 26pt.
Maximum effective learning speed, thus: 2700 SP/hour.
Efficiency of implants (+5 assuming...): 1.2
Efficiency of a remap (minmax): 1.(36)


See, I knew we'd get screwed. I had a PLAN too; and it involved training Perception + Willpower skills for the next two whole years; and at 2772 sp/h, thank you. And now I'm being robbed of 72 sp/h, which is 615,168 sp / year. Which means I lose a total of 1,230,336 sp on this deal in total for my current PLAN.

Star Runner
Posted - 2010.11.26 03:30:00 - [1016]
 

An interesting change that, all in all, is being quite well handled. And even though my 6 yr old character that has had all of those skills up at 5 for a long time will lose some training speed, the bonus ive gotten over the years is plenty enough to pay off the time spent training them up, and the ability to redistribute those points insures that they will continue to be very useful. The change is of course going to hurt some people more than others, but overall, I think its a good balanced approach for what is largely a neutral change.

Dmoney3788
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.11.26 03:30:00 - [1017]
 

Originally by: Qarth
So the people that spent the time to get to 5/5 in all their learning skills are getting the shaft. While the lazy ones that only did 5/4 and less are getting the gold. Basically sums it up.

I'm glad the damn things are going away. They were an impediment to getting into the game. But. CCP, you need to do something for the people that spent the boring months training the advanced learning skills to 5. 2 1/2 months was the time invested (rough figure) to get those skills all to 5. 72 SP an hour is the loss for these people, with this change. Would be nice of you to reward those that spent the time and effort to advance their character long term for this. Say those that have 5,376,000 SP in learning should get a bonus for having done the time others refused too.

So write a subroutine into the program that remembrances the SP and if they have the 5,376,000 SP in learning they get something extra. Another 10% added to their refunded SP. A 13th attribute point to spend. A full set of +5 implants. Give them something for doing the time you are throwing out the door now.



No

Billy Kidd
Posted - 2010.11.26 03:31:00 - [1018]
 

Edited by: Billy Kidd on 26/11/2010 03:36:44
Originally by: Veryez
Good idea, not so good implementation. As a 5/5/5 player this is a flat out 2-3% nerf, so only coal for xmas.

For those that think it is great that newer players are equal to vets, remember you are equal to nerfed vets. Had you trained the skills, you would have been training faster than you will after the changes.

To the "you get 5.3 mil sp to use as you like" group, yes this is a minor benifit, however a nerf is still a nerf.

Had CCP phrased it, "We're removing Large/Medium/Small XXX spec 5, the max you can train it to is 4 from now on, this way players who trained it to 4 are equal to those who trained it to 5, but if you trained it to 5, you'll get the SP to use where you'd like..." I'm sure most would not be so pleased. Even though it's only a 2-3% drop in DPS.

Doesn't matter in the long run, since the dev's have stopped responding, the decision has been made. Guess we'll all just adapt. Time to enjoy the last days of 2772.
Veryez, could you elaborate on how this change will mean a 2-3% nerf for you?

EDIT: Nevermind, just saw what I was looking for.

KurnKuku
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.26 03:32:00 - [1019]
 

Edited by: KurnKuku on 26/11/2010 03:39:52
Edited by: KurnKuku on 26/11/2010 03:33:49
Originally by: Patri Andari
Originally by: MotherMoon


wait what? But they are giving the time back.

think about it, you'd rather they not give you back the sp for learning skills but give you back gametime? Then you'd have to wait 2-3 months of free game time just to get that sp THEY WOULD OF GIVEN YOU FOR FREE.

the 4 million sp you have in learning skills is sp that was wasted. And you'r getting 3-5 MONTHS OF skills points FOR FREE in a split second, and you would rather opt for no sp, free gametime? WHAT THE HELL? WHY!?!?!


Here is where so many of you beggars are missing the point. Learning skills are not like any other skills in the game. They are (as far as i can tell) the ONLY skills that act as a purely strategic investment. People trained them to high levels not just so they could reap benefits for a while, but to pull ahead of their peers and in many cases older vets who chose to train other skills.

When trained to the max, those people fully expected not to get a ROI for years but still did so expecting that investment to give them a competitive edge far into the future. Perhaps for the life of this game!

What? Did I say competitive? In a PVP game?

Yes! I toiled and gave up other things to be better than others in one very particular area of this game expecting that others who made other choices would be less so.

Where are all those elite PVPers spouting about risk/reward? Someone trained a skill that made them more competitive then others and now those others get a free ride? Fine, then those who trained the skills (especially those who trained to max) should get free ride+. The plus is to compensate them not just for the time invested but for the loss of their competive advantage going forward, at least in some small part.

Now I accept that this change is going to happen. Really, I do, but please stop saying that those who trained the skills are compensated merely by returning their SP. This would be true for almost any other skill but not for those one that help you train all skills faster. It should be SP plus a factor. Hell, give folks who trained advanced to level 5 a one time experimental +6 implant on top of their SP. Give them additional remaps relative to the level of their learning skills. For Christ sake give them something more as a return!

If you give lazy beggars free attributes then you should give those who made a strategic choice something more. Otherwise this is a handout which wreaks of redistribution of earned competitive advantage.

Or we could just start handing out complimentary college diplomas to high school drop outs while reimbursing room and board to those who actually spent four years at university. Rolling Eyes [/UglyAmericanCapitalist off]



So what you are really saying is "I had spent months training the learning skills to be more elite than everyone else, and now I am not so elite".

First genuine argument I have heard today. Will get back tomorrow when had a think.

Edit - ok had I thought about it.

Basically everyone trained the learning skills, they had to, if they didn't, it was through ignorance than choice. Everyone trained them, because everyone else was training them.

There was an entire player base of people training learning skills, because an entire player base of people were training learning skills. Everyone was just basically wasting their time.

This change has stopped that, I think that is good.

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2010.11.26 03:32:00 - [1020]
 

Originally by: Qarth
So the people that spent the time to get to 5/5 in all their learning skills are getting the shaft. While the lazy ones that only did 5/4 and less are getting the gold. Basically sums it up.

I'm glad the damn things are going away. They were an impediment to getting into the game. But. CCP, you need to do something for the people that spent the boring months training the advanced learning skills to 5. 2 1/2 months was the time invested (rough figure) to get those skills all to 5. 72 SP an hour is the loss for these people, with this change. Would be nice of you to reward those that spent the time and effort to advance their character long term for this. Say those that have 5,376,000 SP in learning should get a bonus for having done the time others refused too.

So write a subroutine into the program that remembrances the SP and if they have the 5,376,000 SP in learning they get something extra. Another 10% added to their refunded SP. A 13th attribute point to spend. A full set of +5 implants. Give them something for doing the time you are throwing out the door now.




It seems you've missed the part that it'll take them ~ 8 years to feel the "nerf".


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