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Uronksur Suth
Posted - 2010.11.25 08:30:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: Uronksur Suth on 25/11/2010 08:30:21
His argument seems to be that instead of actually developing content, or cracking down on RMT, the GMs and CCP should waste their time actively searching for supposedly bad names in character creation so the player-base won't have their delicate sensibilities offended by having to petition the individual cases. God forbid I should have to see a character with the word "knockers" in their name. My soul would be thoroughly corrupted if I had to actually petition it. Rolling Eyes

Gallion
Amarr
Posted - 2010.11.25 10:08:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: Gallion on 25/11/2010 10:09:20
Edited by: Gallion on 25/11/2010 10:08:06
>.> what? seriously Im not targeting Crotch. As the topic It was the reference for the Topic.
and as for referal to the Inappropriate nothing can be said, So as such I stand by the fact having Players named (sorry Moderators) *****111 or vaginalLips. IS NOT BY ANY MEANS something that should be allowed to remain in Eve.
you guys are obviously still new to the world to understand the Term TEEN and know the differnse of MATURITY. the Devs/ccp of Eve have not a HArd time dealing with this manpower or automated. Targeting me as the joke here is not the topic. So im gonna level with those who think that what Im saying has any notions of delaying anything with eve's mechanical design. (yes glorified words) Grow Up. Really, Cause Eve isnt a normal Community its got Plenty of Smart players and Demeaning this Game that those who Love it would rather have seen Some improvements no matter how small. Cool

Gallion
Amarr
Posted - 2010.11.25 10:14:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: Gallion on 25/11/2010 10:19:35
I stand Firm to the Original TOS, the Naming policey is there. Read that!
Crotch is fine, but the referance Is Not.

Point? This>>> EXCELLENCE!

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2010.11.25 10:29:00 - [94]
 

The punishement is excessive for such a minor issue and since there is already a way to deal with such names, using any more of CCPs time and effort on this seems like an unnecessary waste.

Not supported.

Gallion
Amarr
Posted - 2010.11.25 10:43:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: Gallion on 25/11/2010 10:43:58
yes your talking about petitioning them. So am I. its not minor it huge. U just wouldnt understand. oh and the punishment was there from the begining.

CommanderData211
Posted - 2010.11.25 11:29:00 - [96]
 

He is right, to a certain degree. When in communication with another player in EVE it becomes unrated. But, it is technically rated teen and by virtue of that fact, the precious sensibilities of a teenager could be destroyed by looking at a profane name in local, without having agreed to any sort of comunicae.

However, he is not even really arguing about profanity specifically because he states many times, quite fervantly, that he does not want to expand the catalog of the profanity filter. He is arguing that the petition system be changed in such a way so that he can press on with his crusade to protect the innocent and uphold the law (EULA). Now if we look at it from this standpoint we can ignore the profanity discussion altogether and focus on the real reason that he is the only one supporting his topic.

Plain and simple it will waste the GM's time. He seem to scoff at the very idea that this could actually eat up more time than he is willing to believe. In his original post he states "I decided to petition in realizing it was literally pointless after-words". He never stopped to question just why exactly it was pointless.

I assure you Gallion that the reason that it was pointless was because the GM's have to address literally thousands of petitions every day. There is a well defined reason that there is a cap on active petitions. Because it takes up time. Now I know that you believe that there are plenty of smart and capable people at CCP (and there are) but they are doing a lot of things all at once and they cannot prioritize naming conventions over game destabilization, even if those names in question breach the EULA.

You have stated unequivocally that raising the active petition limit will in no way hinder the process of EVE's development, but what numbers do you have to support that claim. Almost everyone here has elicited concerns over the GM's time management in regards to the amount of petitions they receive. Why do you disregard that immediately? Is it because you really believe that they could withstand any amount of work just because they are smart and capable? Or is it that you believe all of us opposed to your idea are simply trolling it and attacking you?

To be clear, I believe this to be a well thought out and cogent argument against your proposal, and in no way should it be construed as a troll or as an attack. I just think that there are ramifications beyond your well-intentioned idea that you have not or are unwilling to consider.

On a side note however, I must ask, what did you find particularly offensive about the word crotch? I don't mean to pull this back into another vague discussion of syntax, rather the word itself. It does not actually refer to a part of the human anatomy, vulgar or otherwise. Now, you have a crotch on your pants, and technically you have one between your legs, but the male and female reproductive organs are not a part of it.

Sorry everyone for the wall of text.

Aphrodite Skripalle
Galactic Defence Consortium
Posted - 2010.11.25 12:13:00 - [97]
 

Edited by: Aphrodite Skripalle on 25/11/2010 12:15:57
You have no problem to destroy a teenagers brandnew hulk in highsec by suicide gankers who buy plexes from real money to pay the losses but you have a problem with someone named crotch ?

Thats pathetic.

NO. Not supported. If thats the only problem eve has, i can live with names like that.

I seriously have way more problems to see native american or english player not being able to speak and write english grammar correctly, because i see my children (i have 3 of them playing eve) learning from them lots of mistakes and slappy language.
But i cant change that. I know that i personally cannot write correct english (i am german), but i really would be more concerned about Education of your poeple in your countries.
My children can handle bad words, they just laugh about it.

I am really more concerned about really bad behavior. Stealing, Scamming, lying, killing other people, destroying alliances... thats the nature of eve in general. And bad behaviour gets rewarded in eve. I think thats much bigger problem for children. They learn from that.

Korg Hammer
Posted - 2010.11.25 12:34:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Aphrodite Skripalle
Edited by: Aphrodite Skripalle on 25/11/2010 12:15:57
You have no problem to destroy a teenagers brandnew hulk in highsec by suicide gankers who buy plexes from real money to pay the losses but you have a problem with someone named crotch ?

Thats pathetic.

NO. Not supported. If thats the only problem eve has, i can live with names like that.

I seriously have way more problems to see native american or english player not being able to speak and write english grammar correctly, because i see my children (i have 3 of them playing eve) learning from them lots of mistakes and slappy language.
But i cant change that. I know that i personally cannot write correct english (i am german), but i really would be more concerned about Education of your poeple in your countries.
My children can handle bad words, they just laugh about it.

I am really more concerned about really bad behavior. Stealing, Scamming, lying, killing other people, destroying alliances... thats the nature of eve in general. And bad behaviour gets rewarded in eve. I think thats much bigger problem for children. They learn from that.


Although I don't support the op, if you are going to start pointing out grammatical errors and spelling mistakes, I would look at your own writing first.

Gallion
Amarr
Posted - 2010.11.25 13:10:00 - [99]
 

points made. and fer certain others.. still miss the topic. And my Crusade isnt just mine there are others, and many of them don't have time for forums. Petition work is part of their Strive for Excellence, and Holding their rules is part that as well.
They are fine with this. That is why there is a Petition category and no change in naming policies.

Theel Maas
The Praxis Initiative
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2010.11.25 13:54:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Korg Hammer
Although I don't support the op, if you are going to start pointing out grammatical errors and spelling mistakes, I would look at your own writing first.


She seems to address that with the "i am german" part, conceding her failure to be flawless.

debbie harrio
Posted - 2010.11.25 14:15:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Gallion
points made. and fer certain others.. still miss the topic. And my Crusade isnt just mine there are others, and many of them don't have time for forums. Petition work is part of their Strive for Excellence, and Holding their rules is part that as well.
They are fine with this. That is why there is a Petition category and no change in naming policies.


I see you didn't reply to my comment about your name being offensive with it's obvious connotations but then you forget that inoffensive names in your eyes may have deeper connections than you first realise, the same applies to what you may find offensive in your language actually has different connections than you have the intelligence to work out.

In other words, stop using your questionable morality to sensor other players names when you are doing it from a misguided platform of ignorance.



Gallion
Amarr
Posted - 2010.11.25 14:25:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: debbie harrio
Originally by: Gallion
points made. and fer certain others.. still miss the topic. And my Crusade isnt just mine there are others, and many of them don't have time for forums. Petition work is part of their Strive for Excellence, and Holding their rules is part that as well.
They are fine with this. That is why there is a Petition category and no change in naming policies.


I see you didn't reply to my comment about your name being offensive with it's obvious connotations but then you forget that inoffensive names in your eyes may have deeper connections than you first realise, the same applies to what you may find offensive in your language actually has different connections than you have the intelligence to work out.

In other words, stop using your questionable morality to sensor other players names when you are doing it from a misguided platform of ignorance.



No. But now your Just attacking me. Its Sensibility & Maturity. not morality.

Korg Hammer
Posted - 2010.11.25 14:30:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Theel Maas
Originally by: Korg Hammer
Although I don't support the op, if you are going to start pointing out grammatical errors and spelling mistakes, I would look at your own writing first.


She seems to address that with the "i am german" part, conceding her failure to be flawless.


Whilst that is true, its still a bit of a cheap shot to point out someone else is grammar and spelling mistakes whilst making mistakes yourself. Particularly when you cant be sure that the person your correcting is English as well.

Gallion
Amarr
Posted - 2010.11.25 14:32:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Gallion
Originally by: debbie harrio
Originally by: Gallion
points made. and fer certain others.. still miss the topic. And my Crusade isnt just mine there are others, and many of them don't have time for forums. Petition work is part of their Strive for Excellence, and Holding their rules is part that as well.
They are fine with this. That is why there is a Petition category and no change in naming policies.


I see you didn't reply to my comment about your name being offensive with it's obvious connotations but then you forget that inoffensive names in your eyes may have deeper connections than you first realise, the same applies to what you may find offensive in your language actually has different connections than you have the intelligence to work out.

In other words, stop using your questionable morality to sensor other players names when you are doing it from a misguided platform of ignorance.



No. But now your Just attacking me. Its Sensibility & Maturity. not morality.

which Im totaly fine with since that is your problem. But to put something past your Ignorance. Wrong topic.

Gallion
Amarr
Posted - 2010.11.25 14:34:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Korg Hammer
Originally by: Theel Maas
Originally by: Korg Hammer
Although I don't support the op, if you are going to start pointing out grammatical errors and spelling mistakes, I would look at your own writing first.


She seems to address that with the "i am german" part, conceding her failure to be flawless.


Whilst that is true, its still a bit of a cheap shot to point out someone else is grammar and spelling mistakes whilst making mistakes yourself. Particularly when you cant be sure that the person your correcting is English as well.

no its just just being racist.

irion felpamy
Minmatar
Assisted Genocide
Unprovoked Aggression
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:01:00 - [106]
 

I was going to give you 10/10 (the adultery bit was classic) but then you posted twice in a row showing you are getting more worked up than the people you are trolling so dropped you to 6/10. Good effort however and I am looking forward to your next attempt.

Evil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad/RazzRazzRazzRazz

Werawulf
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:29:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: Werawulf on 25/11/2010 15:31:38
I firmly stand against any and all attempts of limiting what players call themselves. Anyone who has a problem with a particular word should just grow up. It's a word after all. The original post is quite ridiculous considering the word CROTCH isn't even inappropriate. It doesn't matter if their are kids in this game, the majority of players ARE NOT. I have no problem letting someone name themselves whatever they wish or typing whatever they wish into a chat channel. Words are merely a grouping of individual symbols, these symbols have been invented by HUMAN minds. HUMAN minds have invented the meaning behind them. WORDS ARE NOT OFFENSIVE, only little minds choose to take offense to them.

Though I do recognize that CCP is a private company and it is within their right to limit communications as they see fit.

debbie harrio
Posted - 2010.11.25 17:01:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Gallion
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No. But now your Just attacking me. Its Sensibility & Maturity. not morality.


I am attacking your ignorance, not you personally.

If you can't see that, your own maturity comes into question.

I see that you still haven't addressed my concerns that your own ingame name may be distressing to former Neopets players.

Shiho Weitong
Caldari
Koa Mai Hoku
Posted - 2010.11.25 19:04:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Shiho Weitong on 25/11/2010 19:11:05
Edited by: Shiho Weitong on 25/11/2010 19:10:03
Ed: dimwitted typo
Ed: mental complications filtered? wtf?

Originally by: Gallion

Character and Corporation names may not: be racially or ethnically or sexually derogatory; contain profanity; suggest an affiliation with a real-life hate group or figurehead. They may not impersonate a member of the Eve Online team, S&SI staff, CS staff or volunteer corp. Alternative spellings will be viewed with the same scrutiny as traditional spellings. Names used in the game are also reserved and may not be used in whole or part. Infraction of these rules may result in a mandatory name change or ban at our discretion.

Note that the list is not all-inclusive and names that violate our rules can be changed by Customer Support staff, even if they could be inserted in the character creation process.



So, to jump on you for your own statement.

A while back, we tried to have a corp named "Death Kitty" This was deemed offensive due to the implication of the other cat word. The one with P, which we didn't even use.

Then we went through the trouble of trying the word in Latin, ancient greek and even ancient egyptian. Still blocked out due to reference to P-cat. Pretty diligent I must admit. This is where we realized that the language written bears no impact on wether something can be seen as offensive.

What I'm thinking here is that your name in my native language can be use as slang for an errected "Richard". Petition sent. (not really, but I do hope you catch my drift)

Flesh Slurper
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.25 21:04:00 - [110]
 

Near where I live, there is a restaurant named "Fuk Yuen" on a main thoroughfare ... I can just imagine someone like Gallion going to the government office screaming to shut them down.

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2010.11.25 21:08:00 - [111]
 

Edited by: Herping yourDerp on 25/11/2010 21:08:47
there is a place near me called
****'s (word blanks, but its a man's crotch) halfway in
its a restaurant if i remember right

anyways
110 post
1 support
please don't let this ever happen.

Ding Hardin
Posted - 2010.11.25 21:13:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Gallion
I was doing some mining in a hauler today, and Saw a Person with the word CROTCH on his name, I decided to petition it realizing it was literally pointless after-words.
So this is a topic to bring It up.

As minor as it is, I think immediate bans would be the action.
there are to many people getting away with Inappropriate Words for names and Im not sure what the Rating of Eve is suppose to be, Granted that there is none of any language Filters.

I found over 100 cases of the inappropriate nature. I think this need to be addressed even if it is small.


THIS WILL BE DEALT WITH

Flesh Slurper
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.25 21:13:00 - [113]
 

Edited by: Flesh Slurper on 25/11/2010 21:16:21
Originally by: Herping yourDerp
Edited by: Herping yourDerp on 25/11/2010 21:08:47
there is a place near me called
****'s (word blanks, but its a man's crotch) halfway in
its a restaurant if i remember right

anyways
110 post
1 support
please don't let this ever happen.

lol, I used to work with a guy named ****(Richard) Helmut. Oh the poor innocent peers at his school! Being corrupted every time roll was called. lol. And my grandma knows a guy named Harold Hoar. Imagine being his mother.

Gallion
Amarr
Posted - 2010.11.26 08:58:00 - [114]
 

Obviously things aren't going the way they should so I've already requested this topic to be closed.

CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.26 10:00:00 - [115]
 

Locked per request.



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