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ImmutableDark
Posted - 2010.11.24 01:48:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: ImmutableDark on 25/11/2010 02:34:18
The pirate population is almost completely destroyed.
Caldari PvP has been horrible for far too long.

The CSM have failed to adequately address these problems.
*snip* Please mind the language. Spitfire
It's basically a method for care bears to get their way.

The player-base should be represented by independent lobbies based on profession not on the gallente style democratic election. Anyone who is democratically elected is bound to be an incompetent idiot.

For the first two reasons CCP needs to be kicked in the balls. The CSM can't do this it has failed big ass time.

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Added 25/11/2010
I don't have all the time in the world to reply to your idiotic comments one by one so I'm just going to make a blanket statement. I don't care about what initiatives have been put in place to do things... this is just a repeat of past initiatives that were supposed to do the same thing. The CSM has failed to institute any measures to fix anything in the game. The game used to be good and the game design has progressively become worse and worse due to emo whinging on the forums by carebears. The CSM has done nothing to stop the steady decline in the quality of EVE it only serves as a mechanism to confuse the stupid who are in the majority that changes to the game are being implemented. This is exactly what is happening with the rocket 'fix'. I don't want to go into how the changes to rockets don't affect caldari ships to make them viable at pvp. What my proposal is is that we get rid of this forum where stupid people put their stupid ideas forward and influence the game to make it more stupid. CCP obviously don't play their fricken game, if they did they'd fix it. They obviously don't because it's been broken basically forever.

- Piracy is dead. There used to be piracy in eve.
- A lot of Caldari mechanics are broken and have been broken for a long time.
- Generally PVP shield tanking is broken. (T1 Battleships specifically)
- Caldari weapon systems are broken in pvp.
- Some Caldari ships were designed to fit webs/cap rechargers and have had their mid slots removed making them nonviable pvp platforms and in one case pve.
- PVP is moving towards being completely consensual i.e. you have to sign up for faction warfare + there are a whole lot of dialogue boxes popping up warning you if you're going to perform an illegal act. Additionally you can abandon wrecks to prevent flashy red people popping up around you. THIS WAS ACTUALLY SUPPORTED BY THE CSM.
- Faction warfare introduced basically another anti-piracy policy in eve by introducing massive organization in low-sec that is something in the order of up to 6000 players to effectively prey on pirates. So they've introduced a predator.

The CSM has achieved nothing dissolve it. The only surprise I expect to receive in upcoming expansions is 'surprise eve just got worse'. They haven't achieved anything regarding real money items in eve online. DISSOLVE THE CSM.

Removed trolling remarks. Zymurgist

Magnus Orin
Minmatar
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.11.24 01:50:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Magnus Orin on 24/11/2010 01:51:43
signed

Also, the player-base should be represented by CCP playing their ****ing game.

Uronksur Suth
Posted - 2010.11.24 01:58:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: ImmutableDark
The pirate population is almost completely destroyed.


Originally by: ImmutableDark

It's basically a method for care bears to get their way.


Very Happy

Originally by: ImmutableDark

The player-base should be represented by independent lobbies based on profession not on the gallente style democratic election. Anyone who is democratically elected is bound to be an incompetent idiot.


And I think that the majority of players should feel free to direct the game as they please by electing those who represent their interests, as opposed to leveling the playing field and giving an apparent fringe equal say with the mainstream. Wink

That said, tears are delicious. If you dislike the current CSM structure, maybe next election cycle more people in your profession should actually vote. Laughing

ImmutableDark
Posted - 2010.11.24 02:07:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Uronksur Suth
Originally by: ImmutableDark
The pirate population is almost completely destroyed.


Originally by: ImmutableDark

It's basically a method for care bears to get their way.


Very Happy

Originally by: ImmutableDark

The player-base should be represented by independent lobbies based on profession not on the gallente style democratic election. Anyone who is democratically elected is bound to be an incompetent idiot.


And I think that the majority of players should feel free to direct the game as they please by electing those who represent their interests, as opposed to leveling the playing field and giving an apparent fringe equal say with the mainstream. Wink

That said, tears are delicious. If you dislike the current CSM structure, maybe next election cycle more people in your profession should actually vote. Laughing


If piracy sucks there will be less pirates and therefore less votes to count towards pirate candidates. You sir are a good demonstration of why the CSM has failed and will continue to fail.

Thank you for the demonstration.

Trolling remark removed. Zymurgist

Gallians
Posted - 2010.11.24 02:57:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: ImmutableDark
Originally by: Uronksur Suth
Originally by: ImmutableDark
The pirate population is almost completely destroyed.


Originally by: ImmutableDark

It's basically a method for care bears to get their way.


Very Happy

Originally by: ImmutableDark

The player-base should be represented by independent lobbies based on profession not on the gallente style democratic election. Anyone who is democratically elected is bound to be an incompetent idiot.


And I think that the majority of players should feel free to direct the game as they please by electing those who represent their interests, as opposed to leveling the playing field and giving an apparent fringe equal say with the mainstream. Wink

That said, tears are delicious. If you dislike the current CSM structure, maybe next election cycle more people in your profession should actually vote. Laughing


If piracy sucks there will be less pirates and therefore less votes to count towards pirate candidates. You sir are a good demonstration of why the CSM has failed and will continue to fail.

Thank you for the demonstration.

Trolling remark removed. Zymurgist


But if most people dont like being pirates, then why should there be a push to satisfy this fringe minority?

And if most people don't want to support the interests of this unpopular minority, then why should their interests be a priority?

Not supported due to nonsense.

Uronksur Suth
Posted - 2010.11.24 03:04:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: ImmutableDark
Originally by: Uronksur Suth
Originally by: ImmutableDark
The pirate population is almost completely destroyed.


Originally by: ImmutableDark

It's basically a method for care bears to get their way.


Very Happy

Originally by: ImmutableDark

The player-base should be represented by independent lobbies based on profession not on the gallente style democratic election. Anyone who is democratically elected is bound to be an incompetent idiot.


And I think that the majority of players should feel free to direct the game as they please by electing those who represent their interests, as opposed to leveling the playing field and giving an apparent fringe equal say with the mainstream. Wink

That said, tears are delicious. If you dislike the current CSM structure, maybe next election cycle more people in your profession should actually vote. Laughing


If piracy sucks there will be less pirates and therefore less votes to count towards pirate candidates.


In that case the player-base doesn't exist, and I don't grasp why you think it should be equally represented. I also don't accept that there is such a huge demographic discrepancy merely on your say-so.

Originally by: ImmutableDark

You sir are a r*t*rd and a good demonstration of why the CSM has failed and will continue to fail.


Oh good. When all else fails, do result to playground insults, it truly drives your point home. Rolling Eyes

Originally by: ImmutableDark

Thank you for the demonstration.


Certainly. Please continue with your elaboration. I'm dying to hear why a player-elected body should represent a career path that isn't mainstream in the player-base, or be dissolved for failing to follow the wishes of the majority of the electorate. Laughing

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.24 03:09:00 - [7]
 

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Sujanra Acoma
Minmatar
Shadow Kitty Legion
Rura-Penthe
Posted - 2010.11.24 04:12:00 - [8]
 

I'm gonna bite and just point out real quick that the chair of the CSM is a pirate.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.11.24 04:18:00 - [9]
 

I tried running on a pro-pirate platform, but was disqualified because I account shared in the past. The guy who DQ'd me said that if I kept my nose clean, I'd be allowed to run again next time.

Maybe I'll give it another whack.

Sujanra Acoma
Minmatar
Shadow Kitty Legion
Rura-Penthe
Posted - 2010.11.24 04:22:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I tried running on a pro-pirate platform, but was disqualified because I account shared in the past. The guy who DQ'd me said that if I kept my nose clean, I'd be allowed to run again next time.

Maybe I'll give it another whack.

I'd vote for ya. At least you're an honest crook.

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2010.11.24 05:06:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: ImmutableDark
The pirate population is almost completely destroyed.
Caldari PvP has been horrible for far too long.

The CSM have failed to adequately address these problems.
*snip* Please mind the language. Spitfire
It's basically a method for care bears to get their way.

The player-base should be represented by independent lobbies based on profession not on the gallente style democratic election. Anyone who is democratically elected is bound to be an incompetent idiot.

For the first two reasons CCP needs to be kicked in the balls. The CSM can't do this it has failed big ass time.


1: Pirate Population destroyed? Bull****.
2: Caldari PVP horrible? Fly a Drake or get a Falcon. How about coming up with a solution and not just crying tears?
3: CCP is the problem... not the CSM.


This is nothing more than a troll thread and a whine fest.
Seriously... waste of time.

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2010.11.24 05:31:00 - [12]
 

i think all decisions should be public poll upon logging in tbh

KaiserSoze434
Posted - 2010.11.24 05:51:00 - [13]
 

Not supported due to OP apparently being an arrogant prick who can't refrain from opening up with insults. You already have the most control possible over the game. Stop playing if it doesn't work for you. Since you are expressing your opinion that the forum is for morons to express their opinions....I find I have to agree that it does go down like that sometimes.

Hugh450
Posted - 2010.11.24 06:08:00 - [14]
 

Bad troll is bad.

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services

Posted - 2010.11.24 07:05:00 - [15]
 

CSM is just a joke now.

They killed it with the announcement that they wouldn't be working on Eve for 2 years.

Either listen to the CSM *BEFORE* releasing features that ruin the game, or just kill it.

GIGAR
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.24 07:16:00 - [16]
 

What exactly have the CSM done anyways? (that CCP couldn't figure out by reading the forums occasionally)

Gallion
Amarr
Posted - 2010.11.24 12:09:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: KaiserSoze434
Not supported due to OP apparently being an arrogant prick who can't refrain from opening up with insults. You already have the most control possible over the game. Stop playing if it doesn't work for you. Since you are expressing your opinion that the forum is for morons to express their opinions....I find I have to agree that it does go down like that sometimes.


Agreed.

Cid SilverWing
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.11.24 13:08:00 - [18]
 

Unsupported, and OP is a nonsencial silly billy who needs to learn the pew-pew rather than QQ on the forums.

*proud carebear*

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.11.24 15:48:00 - [19]
 

Actually compared to the more recent CSM's of the past, this one is pretty good.

It's actually restored my faith in the process as a whole.

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2010.11.24 16:04:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Cearain on 24/11/2010 16:06:44
Edited by: Cearain on 24/11/2010 16:04:57
The people on this csm have done a great job. I'm not sure what you mean that they have failed. They presented the issues that people voted for in the assembly hall. When CCP basically responded "yeah whatever" the csm made this very clear to the players and put ccp in a position that they had to address some of the items.

In dominion and tyranis I'm not sure any proposals were incorporated by ccp. Now we have rockets getting a boost, t2 ammo getting a boost, ghost datacore production got whacked. I think there are other changes as well. These items were not on the radar due to what appeared to be a busy schedule for the incarna and dust. Now they are getting done. It is because of how csm handled the situation.

None of these changes are a big deal to me personally. But then again the proposals in that get support in the assembly hall generally are just requests for minor tweaks. So its not the csm’s fault they are not changing the game dramatically. Fact is the players never can agree on any dramatic changes.

My only concern with csm is they seem a bit insulated from players. They have private message boards where it appears most of their work goes on. I would bet they are posting more there than in jita speakers corner. I think that is unfortunate because its hard to know who to vote for if you never really see what positions they hold.

Its sort of like CCP used to post here on the forums then they stopped. So they got a csm to represent players and use jita park forum to interact. Now the csm no longer posts there as they have their internal forums where they hash things out. Perhaps we need a csm to the csm to find out what they are up to.

But this trend of the players getting further and further removed from ccp is not good. IMO.

Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
Posted - 2010.11.24 19:57:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: ImmutableDark
The pirate population is almost completely destroyed.
Caldari PvP has been horrible for far too long.


pirates are completely destroyed? If that's even true... it's most likely due to level 5 missions and such that pirates now run. Lowsec incentives failed to lure people to lowsec and instead converted pirates to carebearism. I guess there was a bunch of pirates who went to wormspace also.

As for caldari pvp. If we look at the only valid true pvp. Capship pvp. In top 10 recent kills as i type this. 3 of them were caldari. For the last 5 capship kills. 4 of 5 top damage dealers were caldari; only beat by a nyx. Plenty showing from caldari.


So that aside. Lets discuss CSM. Before they existed... People posted ideas and when **** never got implemented they blamed CCP. So CCP created CSM to filter the ideas and then when something doesnt get implemented. People blame CSM. CSM performs this purpose absolutely awesomely.

If you think for a second that CSM has any power to change what CCP is doing. You are quite naive. Now their continues threads and dev blogs with the propaganda saying they do is quite false. You see CSM discusses every topic about balance and proposals. CCP knows these things and plans to fix them whenever. Then when the topics start getting fixed. They check off as if they were successful. However go back and see how many failures they've had... and you'll understand.

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.24 21:11:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Cearain
My only concern with csm is they seem a bit insulated from players. They have private message boards where it appears most of their work goes on. I would bet they are posting more there than in jita speakers corner. I think that is unfortunate because its hard to know who to vote for if you never really see what positions they hold.

Its sort of like CCP used to post here on the forums then they stopped. So they got a csm to represent players and use jita park forum to interact. Now the csm no longer posts there as they have their internal forums where they hash things out. Perhaps we need a csm to the csm to find out what they are up to.


I don't think you need to worry too much. The CSM has had an internal forum for over 2 years, although it is getting used a lot more now than it was. A lot of what goes on in there is NDA stuff that we couldn't discuss anyway.

I am quite happy to give my opinion on any topic, to the extent that the NDA allows, and I suspect that most of the rest of the CSM is the same way. I monitor Jita Park and Assembly Hall daily, and post if I think I can do so constructively.

In addition, you can get a good feeling about what positions CSMs hold by reading the meeting minutes and the various summit reports, and I have no doubt that when election season comes around, we will all be focused on answering questions about our positions as we busily wh*re for votes.

And TBH, if time spent working in the internal forums has cut down on time available to post in Jita Park, then that is a good thing overall -- it means CCP is communicating with us more, which means we have more opportunities to get things done for the players.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.11.24 21:52:00 - [23]
 

CSM didn't immediately make everything perfect forever for me personally so therefore it is 100% a waste of time.

In other news, I am not what is wrong with the RL political process today.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.11.24 21:59:00 - [24]
 

Dear op, you are an idiot.

Second learn to read patch notes, we got a hole lot fixed in the past 6 months Cause of mynxee's crew. New server hardware, rocket fix in a few days. even better fleet fights.

third, look at the csm members, There isnt a single carebear on the list.

forth, Be thankful you are on an alt, rest assured posting with your main would get you shot.


blaa blaa blaa blaa ok im bored typing now.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2010.11.24 22:09:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: ImmutableDark
The pirate population is almost completely destroyed.
...
The CSM have failed to adequately address these problems.


Have you participated in Mynxee's "Make Lowsec Matter" project?

ImmutableDark
Posted - 2010.11.25 02:33:00 - [26]
 

I don't have all the time in the world to reply to your idiotic comments one by one so I'm just going to make a blanket statement that you are all idiots. I don't care about what initiatives have been put in place to do things... this is just a repeat of past initiatives that were supposed to do the same thing. The CSM has failed to institute any measures to fix anything in the game. The game used to be good and the game design has progressively become worse and worse due to emo whinging on the forums by carebears. The CSM has done nothing to stop the steady decline in the quality of EVE it only serves as a mechanism to confuse the stupid who are in the majority that changes to the game are being implemented. This is exactly what is happening with the rocket 'fix'. I don't want to go into how the changes to rockets don't affect caldari ships to make them viable at pvp. What my proposal is is that we get rid of this forum where stupid people put their stupid ideas forward and influence the game to make it more stupid. CCP obviously don't play their fricken game, if they did they'd fix it. They obviously don't because it's been broken basically forever.

- Piracy is dead. There used to be piracy in eve.
- A lot of Caldari mechanics are broken and have been broken for a long time.
- Generally PVP shield tanking is broken. (T1 Battleships specifically)
- Caldari weapon systems are broken in pvp.
- Some Caldari ships were designed to fit webs/cap rechargers and have had their mid slots removed making them nonviable pvp platforms and in one case pve.
- PVP is moving towards being completely consensual i.e. you have to sign up for faction warfare + there are a whole lot of dialogue boxes popping up warning you if you're going to perform an illegal act. Additionally you can abandon wrecks to prevent flashy red people popping up around you. THIS WAS ACTUALLY SUPPORTED BY THE CSM.
- Faction warfare introduced basically another anti-piracy policy in eve by introducing massive organization in low-sec that is something in the order of up to 6000 players to effectively prey on pirates. So they've introduced a predator.

The CSM has achieved nothing dissolve it. The only surprise I expect to receive in upcoming expansions is 'surprise eve just got worse'. They haven't achieved anything regarding real money items in eve online. DISSOLVE THE CSM.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.25 03:27:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: ImmutableDark
*snip*


Christ almighty, could you be any more mad?

The CSM are not developers. They are a communication channel between the players and the developers. They were always designed to be a communication channel. They've failed to institute measures? What the hell do you expect them to do, march over to iceland and uniformly kick CCP's management in the nads? Any power they have, they only have because CCP grants it to them.

Your mistake is the mistake of many; You presume the CSM are failures because you misinterpret their purpose. They're a communication channel, not a balance team. You want to see Caldari fixed? You want to see PvP matter? How about you make a god damned proposal for those things? We're all open to ideas. We're just not going to go easy on you if those ideas turn out to be poorly thought out and self-serving.

What I would be in favor of is making the CSM more visible to the actual players of Eve.

Mortimer Civeri
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2010.11.25 03:33:00 - [28]
 

1/10, Seen better Trolls from Goons and Test.

Trying to hard there son, ya' got a draw it out. Otherwise it becomes to obvious.

Miriam Letisse
Posted - 2010.11.25 03:35:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: ImmutableDark
I don't have all the time in the world to reply to your idiotic comments one by one so I'm just going to make a blanket statement that you are all idiots.




Then it would appear that you are the minority here, and you can't argue against that point because you're the one who made it.


Uronksur Suth
Posted - 2010.11.25 08:26:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: ImmutableDark
I don't have all the time in the world to reply to your idiotic comments one by one so I'm just going to make a blanket statement that you are all idiots. I don't care about what initiatives have been put in place to do things... this is just a repeat of past initiatives that were supposed to do the same thing. The CSM has failed to institute any measures to fix anything in the game. The game used to be good and the game design has progressively become worse and worse due to emo whinging on the forums by carebears. The CSM has done nothing to stop the steady decline in the quality of EVE it only serves as a mechanism to confuse the stupid who are in the majority that changes to the game are being implemented. This is exactly what is happening with the rocket 'fix'. I don't want to go into how the changes to rockets don't affect caldari ships to make them viable at pvp. What my proposal is is that we get rid of this forum where stupid people put their stupid ideas forward and influence the game to make it more stupid. CCP obviously don't play their fricken game, if they did they'd fix it. They obviously don't because it's been broken basically forever.

- Piracy is dead. There used to be piracy in eve.
- A lot of Caldari mechanics are broken and have been broken for a long time.
- Generally PVP shield tanking is broken. (T1 Battleships specifically)
- Caldari weapon systems are broken in pvp.
- Some Caldari ships were designed to fit webs/cap rechargers and have had their mid slots removed making them nonviable pvp platforms and in one case pve.
- PVP is moving towards being completely consensual i.e. you have to sign up for faction warfare + there are a whole lot of dialogue boxes popping up warning you if you're going to perform an illegal act. Additionally you can abandon wrecks to prevent flashy red people popping up around you. THIS WAS ACTUALLY SUPPORTED BY THE CSM.
- Faction warfare introduced basically another anti-piracy policy in eve by introducing massive organization in low-sec that is something in the order of up to 6000 players to effectively prey on pirates. So they've introduced a predator.

The CSM has achieved nothing dissolve it. The only surprise I expect to receive in upcoming expansions is 'surprise eve just got worse'. They haven't achieved anything regarding real money items in eve online. DISSOLVE THE CSM.



This generates so many LOLs. Laughing

I've bolded the most ironic part of his post.


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