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Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.23 00:19:00 - [1]
 

Been mulling over this one for a while. Might as well put it out there.

Basically, divide each PLEX by 30. Sell 24 hour PLEX on the website for the price of 50 cents a piece. Maybe give minor discounts for buying large amounts or something. List the average market price of PLEX on the "Buy PLEX" webpage.

PLEX becomes a lower-end trade commodity, people get to "buy" isk in increments smaller than 760 million (Since I'm pretty sure you can only buy PLEX by the pair), CCP gets praised for having an inovative new business model and still turns a profit, and the economy gets more interesting for everybody.

Everybody wins, nobody gets hurt.

The only real "issue" would be that people could remove trial account restrictions a little too easily, but I'm sure that could be worked around.

Bonus Sub-Proposal: PLEX for Pizza becomes easier to implement!

Gallians
Posted - 2010.11.23 00:29:00 - [2]
 

Sure, we need smaller units than 15 dollars for microtransactions, and them based on a time unit makes some sort of sense.

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry

Posted - 2010.11.24 06:40:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 24/11/2010 06:40:23
+1

Trial account restrictions solution: You can only subscribe to a full account by purchasing a full month of game time.

Expired accounts problems: Active skill continues to train ~3 days after your game time expired. Introducing 24h PLEXes would cut down alt training costs (since you'd only have to pay for 10 days in a month).
Solution: You can only extend game time on your active account. To activate expired account you must pay for a full month.

Generally, I like the idea. It can find its use in Incarna.

Gallion
Amarr
Posted - 2010.11.24 10:52:00 - [4]
 

I likes.

Grideris
Gallente
Fleet Coordination Command
Fleet Coordination Coalition
Posted - 2010.11.24 11:04:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Grideris on 24/11/2010 11:04:54
Originally by: Black Dranzer
Bonus Sub-Proposal: PLEX for Pizza becomes easier to implement!


THIS

EDIT: Support, dur!

Angie McFish
Gallente
Caldari Industrial Capitalist Consortium

Posted - 2010.11.24 12:48:00 - [6]
 

Approved

Jaari Val'Dara
Caldari
Deep Space Nomads Corp

Posted - 2010.11.24 14:29:00 - [7]
 

Approved.

Anubis Xian
Ministry of War

Posted - 2010.11.24 15:59:00 - [8]
 

Yes.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.11.24 18:37:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Black Dranzer
Been mulling over this one for a while. Might as well put it out there.

Basically, divide each PLEX by 30. Sell 24 hour PLEX on the website for the price of 50 cents a piece. Maybe give minor discounts for buying large amounts or something. List the average market price of PLEX on the "Buy PLEX" webpage.

PLEX becomes a lower-end trade commodity, people get to "buy" isk in increments smaller than 760 million (Since I'm pretty sure you can only buy PLEX by the pair), CCP gets praised for having an inovative new business model and still turns a profit, and the economy gets more interesting for everybody.

Everybody wins, nobody gets hurt.

The only real "issue" would be that people could remove trial account restrictions a little too easily, but I'm sure that could be worked around.

Bonus Sub-Proposal: PLEX for Pizza becomes easier to implement!


The only issue I can see with this is that CCP will get charged for each transaction by the banks. Other than that, this seems like a sensible and logical idea. If we're to have micro-transactions, they might was well be efficiently and conveniently implemented.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.26 06:02:00 - [10]
 

I'm bumping and supporting my own topic because I'm a douchebag.

I can almost taste that PLEX-bought Pizza.

Kabaal S'sylistha
Caldari
Caldari Provisions

Posted - 2010.11.26 06:16:00 - [11]
 

Supported, if they could be combined/separated in game, or at least activated all at once.

Seems like a 'duh' feature but this is Eve.

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2010.11.26 07:03:00 - [12]
 

days
week
month

wtb year plex. as well

Enzu777
Posted - 2010.11.26 07:41:00 - [13]
 

/signed.. its about time.

Let me buy a 1-day plex with a charge to my cell and itd be even better.

Miriam Letisse
Posted - 2010.11.26 09:06:00 - [14]
 

Requesting PLEX for Prostitutes! In game at least..

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service

Posted - 2010.11.26 09:17:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Tres Farmer on 26/11/2010 09:20:16
And if you want to extend your account you just need 30 of them, or what ever number CCP comes up with.

*imagines a custom colour scheme (by setting 3-4 colour sliders) for ships for 10M a pop*

/signed

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2010.11.26 09:31:00 - [16]
 

I can certainly see what you want but I don't see your solution as particularly good.

Micros will only be used for vanity items (CCP fears the wrath of the forumz! \o/), so creating another level of Plex is redundant.
Much easier to make current plexes redeem to separate points (ie. Plex = IoU) and then use said points to buy stuff .. same end result but much more malleable.

Halione
Posted - 2010.11.26 10:36:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Grideris
Edited by: Grideris on 24/11/2010 11:04:54
Originally by: Black Dranzer
Bonus Sub-Proposal: PLEX for Pizza becomes easier to implement!


THIS

EDIT: Support, dur!

JAJA! (: yes yes

Raid'En
Posted - 2010.11.27 19:13:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Malcanis

The only issue I can see with this is that CCP will get charged for each transaction by the banks. [...] If we're to have micro-transactions, they might was well be efficiently and conveniently implemented.


Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
I can certainly see what you want but I don't see your solution as particularly good.
[...]
Much easier to make current plexes redeem to separate points (ie. Plex = IoU) and then use said points to buy stuff .. same end result but much more malleable.


i also think dividing existing PLEXes would be a better solution.
but i'm for a solution allowing smaller cost objects.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2010.11.28 03:56:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Tres Farmer on 28/11/2010 03:56:48
Originally by: Raid'En
Originally by: Malcanis

The only issue I can see with this is that CCP will get charged for each transaction by the banks. [...] If we're to have micro-transactions, they might was well be efficiently and conveniently implemented.

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
I can certainly see what you want but I don't see your solution as particularly good.
[...]
Much easier to make current plexes redeem to separate points (ie. Plex = IoU) and then use said points to buy stuff .. same end result but much more malleable.

i also think dividing existing PLEXes would be a better solution.
but i'm for a solution allowing smaller cost objects.

Just make it so that PLEX in future is 1/30th of actual value worth (1 day), i.e. get rid of that '30 day' part << never understood that to be exact.
And if you want to buy PLEX for isk you get the used-to conversion rate.. x day GTC = x PLEX (instead of now: 60 day GTC = 2x 30-day PLEX).

Another cool thing possible with that..
Let's say you got 25 days left on your account.
By now you can only convert chunks of 30days account time into a 30-day PLEX.
With the change you could convert as much Account time into PLEX as you want and if there would be offers like 'colour your ship for 1 PLEX' you could do that.

PLEX then would be more like CCP-Vouchers.
..comparable to Flying Miles or whatever company-currency/kick-back vouchers you are used to.

No need to introduce a new intermediate currency between RL-moniez and PLEX and ISK.
Just use PLEX.

ISK: can be generated by ingame activity, CCP gets no RL-moniez from this
PLEX: can only be generated via RL-moniez and traded ingame, CCP can use this as company-currency (once locked it, CCP got the RL-moniez)
RL-moniez: can not be used ingame

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2010.11.28 06:35:00 - [20]
 

PLEX in smaller increments than 30d would be nice, however I'm not entirely sure if one should be able to buy the PLEX in stat small increments. If I remember correct main reason why they dropped 30d timecodes was that it was not economically sensible for them to keep selling them bcos of transaction fees.

Reasonable compromise would be keeping selling the PLEX in 60 day chunks however, when you convert it into ingame item the amount of them generated would be bigger while amount of days per one would be smaller.

PS. I do not like idea of microtransactions.

Ieyoshi Tokugawa
Posted - 2010.11.28 10:38:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Ieyoshi Tokugawa on 28/11/2010 10:39:04
I would love to support this, but it wont happen. They get charged by the bank(s) a fee per credit card transaction. This is the reason why many institutions do not allow credit purchases under a certain dollar amount. Not a feasible business plan.

Carine Parnasse
Posted - 2010.11.29 09:10:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Carine Parnasse on 29/11/2010 09:10:55
Originally by: Ieyoshi Tokugawa
Edited by: Ieyoshi Tokugawa on 28/11/2010 10:39:04
I would love to support this, but it wont happen. They get charged by the bank(s) a fee per credit card transaction. This is the reason why many institutions do not allow credit purchases under a certain dollar amount. Not a feasible business plan.


Why assume they have to sell 1 day plexes? As several people have suggested selling 60 day GTC's that convert to 60 mini-plexes will give the same value for plex, not cost more in transaction fees, and let them charge less then $15 for small cosmetic crap (hint I'm not paying $15 for cosmetic ****)

steave435
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.12.02 10:19:00 - [23]
 

Quote:
Expired accounts problems: Active skill continues to train ~3 days after your game time expired. Introducing 24h PLEXes would cut down alt training costs (since you'd only have to pay for 10 days in a month). Solution: You can only extend game time on your active account. To activate expired account you must pay for a full month.

Not a problem, you can only apply a plex if you can log in to do it. You can petition to get your account activated for 1 day in order to do it, but if you start trying to do that 10 times a month in order to apply 1 day plexes, GMs will notice and not help you out.

Personally though, I'm not going to be paying for vanity stuff anyway and I don't care if I'm buying 1 plex for 30 days or 30 plex for 1 month that cost the same in total as the 30 day (as long as we get the option to "apply x plex to account" rather then having to apply 30 plex 1 at a time), so I don't care either way.

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.02 21:19:00 - [24]
 

From a consumer point of view, i agree.

However, from a business point of view, this is the same as allowing someone to "freeze" his account if he won't play for a while.

Xynthiar
Gallente
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.12.02 21:24:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Xynthiar on 02/12/2010 21:24:59
Indeed, this is a good idea in essence but it would allow player to effectively "pause" their subscription whenever they wanted to.
EDIT: I'm all for making 30d plexes sold separately from the 60d utc codes however.

Darveses
Fantastulousification Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.02 21:36:00 - [26]
 

PLEX 'cents'?

Only if paying your account with them is more expensive than a normal PLEX.
Also, only if this doesnt seduce CCP to introduce more microtransactions than necessary, which it probably would.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2010.12.03 16:46:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Tres Farmer on 03/12/2010 16:53:08
Originally by: Renan Ruivo
However, from a business point of view, this is the same as allowing someone to "freeze" his account if he won't play for a while.
Originally by: Xynthiar
Indeed, this is a good idea in essence but it would allow player to effectively "pause" their subscription whenever they wanted to.

What does it matter? CCP got the RLmoniez for the PLEX anyway. If you take some of those days remaining on your account and sell them for isk or some ship-paint-shop.
It doesn't matter to CCP - they already got the RLmoniez - and that's all that counts.

So what is the loophole you want to imply here please?

If I don't want to play any more I have at the moment a maximum window of inability to pause my account of 30days.
What's the problem if that is reduced to 1 day?
You can't convert PLEX into RLmoniez, just use them for game time, buy vanity items/services or sell them for isk.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2010.12.04 07:00:00 - [28]
 

Ok, I see a loophole now, but CCP can put rules/mechanics in place to plug them.

You buy 30x 24hr PLEX, apply to account in one go.
Now you want to have your acc lapse in one day. You redeem 29x 24hr PLEX from playtime.
Account lapses after 1 day.
Skill training keeps going.. aso..

Plug 1:
- remove ability for ghost training after account lapses. Incentive for above gone.

Plug 2:
- introduce a rule that you must keep at least x days remaining on your account, which can't be redeemed as 24hr PLEX. With x=30 we'd have our actual status.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.12.04 14:44:00 - [29]
 

Make the PLEX splitting a miniprofession with a chance of a total failure where the PLEX gets destroyed. Very Happy

Anyura
Posted - 2010.12.04 15:42:00 - [30]
 

Plex for Pizza please. Would also accept Plex for Chinese or Indian, but not Thai.


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