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Mr LaForge
Posted - 2010.11.22 17:35:00 - [1]
 

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=815

Just sayin this will probably cause them to go down a bit.

rain9441
Big Head Want Dolly
Posted - 2010.11.22 17:36:00 - [2]
 

This topic took about 2 minutes longer than I expected to pop up.

Dariah Stardweller
Gallente
NO U111 Enterprises
Posted - 2010.11.22 17:37:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: rain9441
This topic took about 2 minutes longer than I expected to pop up.


I figured it would be up sooner.

Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
Ctrl Alt Elites
Posted - 2010.11.22 17:44:00 - [4]
 

I was expecting at least 5 topics on it already myself.

Also, I find this new blog to be delicious.

Blaze Black
Gallente
BLAZELOTTERY Holding
Posted - 2010.11.22 17:53:00 - [5]
 

WTB PLEX's 300 mil ea Laughing

Parity Clause
Posted - 2010.11.22 17:58:00 - [6]
 

Wow they've "crashed" all the way to 382 in Jita Rolling Eyes

The Internets
Posted - 2010.11.22 17:58:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: The Internets on 22/11/2010 17:59:18
Yea, CCP saying that PLEXes will be used for cool stuff/customization in the future definitely isn't a reason to keep them around. That's the main reason I'd reckon for higher prices; are there really tons of pilots out there who need to remap that often?

Heck, I'd say CCP's more or less 100% confirmation of vanity items might mean PLEXes are going to be fairly pricey for a long time.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2010.11.22 17:59:00 - [8]
 

Dang. I thought PLEX for a remap was a good idea with little impact on gameplay (a remap doesn't give you instant SP).

I'm guessing the detractors were more worried about what it could lead to.


Dezolf
Minmatar
DAX Action Stance
Posted - 2010.11.22 18:10:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
And everyone knows what happens to dinosaurs. God makes them disappear. Through MAGIC.

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2010.11.22 18:55:00 - [10]
 

All SELL YOUR PLEX OR .... LOOSE EVE ?

Dariah Stardweller
Gallente
NO U111 Enterprises
Posted - 2010.11.22 19:04:00 - [11]
 

QUICK ALL SELL UR PLEX TO ME B4 IT DROPS BELOW 300!1!! OFFERING 301 PER PLEX ONLY TONIGHT!1!Laughing

Ave Volta
Perkone
Posted - 2010.11.22 19:07:00 - [12]
 

Seems to me this doesn't change much. They are still saying PLEX will be used for more purposes moving forward, just not for remaps.


Mme Pinkerton
The pink win
Posted - 2010.11.22 20:10:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 22/11/2010 20:10:13
Originally by: Ave Volta
Seems to me this doesn't change much. They are still saying PLEX will be used for more purposes moving forward, just not for remaps.

the time horizon changes - PLEX for remaps would have gone live in Incursion or one of the patches leading up to it.

now it seems unlikely that we will get any microtransaction features with Incursion.

If the point at which you hope to make a tidy profit on your speculation suddenly gets pushed out by half a year a lot changes.

Dzil
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2010.11.22 20:29:00 - [14]
 

TBH, 300 mil/PLEX sounds just about right.

Also:
Originally by: "CCP Zulu"

There is a constantly decreasing number of MMO‘s out there that don‘t incorporate virtual goods sales at some level. - games that aren't responding to this trend are dying out.


Translation: EVE is dying; we must homogenize with WOW's celestial pony model or we're doomed.

Rolling Eyes

Berikath
Posted - 2010.11.22 20:43:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Berikath on 22/11/2010 20:47:24
Originally by: The Internets
Edited by: The Internets on 22/11/2010 17:59:18
Yea, CCP saying that PLEXes will be used for cool stuff/customization in the future definitely isn't a reason to keep them around. That's the main reason I'd reckon for higher prices; are there really tons of pilots out there who need to remap that often?

Heck, I'd say CCP's more or less 100% confirmation of vanity items might mean PLEXes are going to be fairly pricey for a long time.

Originally by: Ave Volta
Seems to me this doesn't change much. They are still saying PLEX will be used for more purposes moving forward, just not for remaps.




Yes. Confirmation that they will not be used for something of known in-game usefulness in the next 2 months, but instead will be used for "something" cosmetic "sometime" (longer than 2 months from now) won't mean prices are going to crash. Not at all.


Also, methinks it's about time to convert to paying for my accounts with ISK.

Wait, scratch that. Next week is the time to start paying with ISK.

*edit*
Originally by: Dzil
Originally by: "CCP Zulu"

There is a constantly decreasing number of MMO‘s out there that don‘t incorporate virtual goods sales at some level. - games that aren't responding to this trend are dying out.


Translation: EVE is dying; we must homogenize with WOW's celestial pony model or we're doomed.

Rolling Eyes
I dunno. I would translate that quite differently.

Translation: It has come to our attention that people will give us more money for useless crap that looks pretty. We like money, so we're gonna have some people start thinking of useless crap and making it pretty.

Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2010.11.22 21:33:00 - [16]
 

Anyone who pays 300m+ to put a logo on a ship deserves to be primaried. :p

rain9441
Big Head Want Dolly
Posted - 2010.11.22 21:50:00 - [17]
 

Who said it was going to be 300m+? And who said they were going to use PLEX as currency for microtransactions?

Quote:
The scope will be (and there‘s no design be done around this, we‘re just talking strategy now) that anything that doesn‘t affect gameplay directly can be, potentially, sold for PLEX or other means.


You didn't think they'd charge you 300m for a hammer, 600m for a toilet seat did you? They may create a new item that is, like PLEX, a one way transmogrification of US Currency to EVE Items and in no way related to PLEX at all.

Lets pop the bubble. The bubble which is now resting on the assumption that "Pilot License Extension" will be used to purchase in game ship tattoos and items which grant access to the 'Cool Hat Club'. Quite an unrealistic assumption if you ask me.

Yes I am taking pot shots to create artificial doubt. Sell sell sell!

Amanda Mor
Gallente
Posted - 2010.11.22 21:54:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Berikath


Translation: It has come to our attention that people will give us more money for useless crap that looks pretty. We like money, so we're gonna have some people start thinking of useless crap and making it pretty.


Everything in the game is "useless crap", and we already pay for it with our monthly subscription - what's the difference?

Ave Volta
Perkone
Posted - 2010.11.22 22:09:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 22/11/2010 20:10:13
Originally by: Ave Volta
Seems to me this doesn't change much. They are still saying PLEX will be used for more purposes moving forward, just not for remaps.

the time horizon changes - PLEX for remaps would have gone live in Incursion or one of the patches leading up to it.

now it seems unlikely that we will get any microtransaction features with Incursion.

If the point at which you hope to make a tidy profit on your speculation suddenly gets pushed out by half a year a lot changes.


I guess I'm just thinking of long term not short term. Plex for remaps was always just speculation, and didn't seem very likely to begin with to be honest. Where as the long term price rise for Plex now seems more likey than ever given they have confirmed they are going to come up with 'vanity' uses for Plex.


Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2010.11.22 22:51:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Diomedes Calypso on 22/11/2010 23:17:54
Edited by: Diomedes Calypso on 22/11/2010 22:52:57
I don't think that the remap thing was going to be huge...(the advantage really wasn't that great once you crunched the numbers with huge diminishing returns too after you added one or two ) .

The character transfer fees, the convention, the character swaps are all still there.

In the long run too, plex prices are going to increase by the % rate people can increase their isk/hr earning rate... and passive incomes. You can have price stability on existing goods, but more and more players affording carriers and t3 stuff ... it doesn't take inflation to have the isk per player to rises..

... and I think that to keep people happy .. people need to feel like they're a bit better off than the month before.

So, I'd expect plex prices to move up at least 10% a year to meet that with some pretty big gyrations. ...maybe 20% above or below a 200 day moving average.

As for the dilema EVE might find itself in to FORCE them to microtrasaction.. here's a link to my thoughs on that thread.

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Your Client
Posted - 2010.11.22 22:58:00 - [21]
 

*edit*
Originally by: Dzil
Originally by: "CCP Zulu"

There is a constantly decreasing number of MMO‘s out there that don‘t incorporate virtual goods sales at some level. - games that aren't responding to this trend are dying out.


Translation: EVE is dying; we must homogenize with WOW's celestial pony model or we're doomed.

Rolling Eyes
I dunno. I would translate that quite differently.

Translation: It has come to our attention that people will give us more money for useless crap that looks pretty. We like money, so we're gonna have some people start thinking of useless crap and making it pretty.


Want To Trade: My item ideas for PLEX .. or a job, CCP, I gots no RL ISK! /Embarassed\

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2010.11.22 23:19:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Your Client
*edit*
Originally by: Dzil
Originally by: "CCP Zulu"

There is a constantly decreasing number of MMO‘s out there that don‘t incorporate virtual goods sales at some level. - games that aren't responding to this trend are dying out.


Translation: EVE is dying; we must homogenize with WOW's celestial pony model or we're doomed.

Rolling Eyes
I dunno. I would translate that quite differently.

Translation: It has come to our attention that people will give us more money for useless crap that looks pretty. We like money, so we're gonna have some people start thinking of useless crap and making it pretty.


Want To Trade: My item ideas for PLEX .. or a job, CCP, I gots no RL ISK! /Embarassed\


I read it as "people might not be willing to pay 15$ a month for a subscription if they don't pay a subsciption in that price range anywhere else in the future".

Gallians
Posted - 2010.11.22 23:23:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
Originally by: Your Client
*edit*
Originally by: Dzil
Originally by: "CCP Zulu"

There is a constantly decreasing number of MMO‘s out there that don‘t incorporate virtual goods sales at some level. - games that aren't responding to this trend are dying out.


Translation: EVE is dying; we must homogenize with WOW's celestial pony model or we're doomed.

Rolling Eyes
I dunno. I would translate that quite differently.

Translation: It has come to our attention that people will give us more money for useless crap that looks pretty. We like money, so we're gonna have some people start thinking of useless crap and making it pretty.


Want To Trade: My item ideas for PLEX .. or a job, CCP, I gots no RL ISK! /Embarassed\


I read it as "people might not be willing to pay 15$ a month for a subscription if they don't pay a subsciption in that price range anywhere else in the future".


This.

Free to play is the new kid in town and everyone is moving there. And honestly, how many of us pay 15 a month? I know I don't. For most intents and purposes the game is free to play, and if the Plex thing stopped, a lot of us would leave.

CCP is probably looking for ways to improve their bottom line that won't all dry up if people with more $ than brains stop buying plex to get supercaps.

Nikolai Kondratiev
Sphere Design Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.22 23:40:00 - [24]
 

ZOMG PLEX @ 376.9m NOW! That's like 800k less than one hour ago. At this rate PLEX will be free in 19 days! Sell ASAP before your money invested in PLEX entirely vanish!
Rolling Eyes

Cinnamon Candy
Posted - 2010.11.23 00:13:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Nikolai Kondratiev
ZOMG PLEX @ 376.9m NOW! That's like 800k less than one hour ago. At this rate PLEX will be free in 19 days! Sell ASAP before your money invested in PLEX entirely vanish!
Rolling Eyes



Yep be a good boy and listen to the speculators in this thread who say plex will rise because of luxery items wile they drip drop they're plex on the market as fast as they can. I love turds like you

Flattery
Posted - 2010.11.23 01:21:00 - [26]
 

OMG CCP is so smart and amazing. We all love you so much and have complete faith in your judgement. PLEX for pictures is a great idea!

Konoch
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.11.23 01:41:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: rain9441
Who said it was going to be 300m+? And who said they were going to use PLEX as currency for microtransactions?

Quote:
The scope will be (and there‘s no design be done around this, we‘re just talking strategy now) that anything that doesn‘t affect gameplay directly can be, potentially, sold for PLEX or other means.


You didn't think they'd charge you 300m for a hammer, 600m for a toilet seat did you? They may create a new item that is, like PLEX, a one way transmogrification of US Currency to EVE Items and in no way related to PLEX at all.

Lets pop the bubble. The bubble which is now resting on the assumption that "Pilot License Extension" will be used to purchase in game ship tattoos and items which grant access to the 'Cool Hat Club'. Quite an unrealistic assumption if you ask me.

Yes I am taking pot shots to create artificial doubt. Sell sell sell!


Ok that's an awesome quote.

Timeframe is a factor in this along with a few other things. Plex for Neural Remap had to probably be the top of the list. Knocking that off the agenda entirely and stating that plex/microtransactions would not be implemented in this latest expansion SHOULD cool off the market. At least until there's another announcement about it. I'm thinking plex will fall to about 350 for now. Crashing if Incarna is not till July bouncing if they announce it for April.

Ash Donai
Minmatar
Kanu Industries
Posted - 2010.11.23 08:55:00 - [28]
 

PLEX @ 500mil by xmas, that's all I have to say about this.

PLEX will only go up and up and up, plenty of people will use the billions they have to buy vanity items to put on their carebear ships, anyone who thinks otherwise is confused (and at odds with CCP market research).

Pavel Gerla
Gallente
Caution Explosives INC
Posted - 2010.11.23 09:07:00 - [29]
 

Vanity stuff now, faster training, stronger skills and so on by Q4 2012. Countless games have gone down this route.

The difference between WoW and eve is simple. Eve lags at 40k players and i,ve yet to see 80k+ players on at once. Large fleets get owned before they load.

Wow has multiple servers, something that wouldn't work for eve for markets. But they also boasted some 10M subscribers, and you HAD to pay to play= guaranteed money. And they had a broader audience.

*cue learning curve mmo comparison pic*

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.11.23 09:59:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Dang. I thought PLEX for a remap was a good idea with little impact on gameplay (a remap doesn't give you instant SP).

I'm guessing the detractors were more worried about what it could lead to.




Pretty much.

MTs which give "just a little" game advantage are kind of like being "just a little bit" pregnant - 9 months later, things have gotten a lot worse...


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