open All Channels
seplocked EVE Information Portal
blankseplocked New Dev Blog: Neural remap, PLEX and the way forward
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: first : previous : ... 7 8 9 10 [11] 12 13 14 15 : last (15)

Author Topic

Feisty Cadavar
Posted - 2010.11.23 22:18:00 - [301]
 

Originally by: Shandir
Edited by: Shandir on 23/11/2010 20:51:54
Is anyone else now dreading the release of Incarna and the embedded microtransaction model?

The devblog appears to be saying that the only feature we can be sure of in Incarna at this point is that it's going to hit our wallets.

(Not poor, just hate MT and what it does to a good game)

Edit: Feisty? Listen harder - you're only hearing what you want to hear.


It's hard to listen to typed text but I guess it could be done if I had a voice synthesizer. In any case that's splitting hairs. What are the other objections? Please educate me if you feel I'm being biased one way or another. I didn't think I was being biased but was presenting an alternative approach should CCP want to do something with RESPECS for isk / plex.

I'm just looking at objective ways that all sides could possibly be happy. CCP gets MT, players get a bit more freedom to leverage respecs more often. I'm more than willing to listen to any objections to respecs for plex/isk that I may have missed. I'd even be willing to entertain SP/ISK if the algorithm was right. There are more solutions out there other than NO.

Bhattran
Posted - 2010.11.23 22:18:00 - [302]
 

Originally by: Dmoney3788
Originally by: Ebisu Kami

I haven't seen this arguement in a while and I am pretty sure that noone with a clue, who fought against PLEX for ISK or Microtransactions as a whole, used this arguement.
The real arguements are vast and have been laid out time and again. Just check EVE-O-forums, speak with with the CSM-members or have a look at SHC. I'm not getting paid enough for doing the same exercise time and again and it's really becoming tiresome. However it should spark your interest that, as it seems, the whole CSM is more or less united in their cause on this and that CCP obviously agreed with their arguements.


Well just for fun I checked the assembly hall thread about the micro transactions. Read the first 5 pages and gave up. Hell the OP of that thread didn't have a substantial reason as to why they were against micro transactions. The few people who voted yes and stated a reason why were thoroughly ignored. In no particular order I saw a lot of slippery slope fallacies, bandwagoning, "OMG THIS WILL MAKE EVE LIKE EVERY OTHER MMO." Oh, and a lot of people saying "no" or "ima quit, k." Here's the thing:

-PLEX for remap doesn't make you better than other players. As long as implants and learning skills are the same your max SP/hr is no faster than any other players. I think too many people likens PLEX for remap with PLEX for SP. I do agree that plex for SP would be really, really bad. However, its PLEX for remap and not SP.

-I'd be willing to bet the people who did say they would quit are probably too addicted to actually follow through with quitting. There's probably a small number of people who quit after every major patch when "their" OP play style was ruined (speed nerf, myrm nerf, NOS nerf, etc.). I doubt the amount of people actually quitting from PLEX for remap would be much different than the aforementioned nerfs.

That being said, I welcome any sort of substantial argument against PLEX for remap. Hint: whining about CCP's profit margins isn't one of those.


Do your homework, go read that whole thread, then the others in GD, when you get through them all you'll have found your answer but I doubt you'd acknowledge it as so.

Narkhana
Gallente
Infinium Trading Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.23 22:23:00 - [303]
 

Originally by: Feisty Cadavar
One thing I don't understand ... Why not do plex/isk for remaps? So far I've only heard two reasons against it:
1. That we don't want rich kids having an unfair advantage.
2. That it will increase the cost of plex and drive people out of the game.



You forgot reason #3: The rich in-game people get to keep their unfair advantage of playing the game without spending RL money for it.

There is a large number of people complaining because they currently pay for their 3+ accounts with isk, and if the price of PLEX goes up they might not be able to continue to subscribe. They call themselves subscribers but they're not, they are players who use their in-game riches to milk CCP for a free game. They don't actually contribute any money to CCP's business model yet they're the first to complain that CCP isn't devoting enough of it's resources (that they aren't helping to pay for) to fixing the bugs (that they're not helping to pay for.)

PLEX for Remap is a good idea, and it would provide additional income to CCP to pay for more programmer assets (even if they do work on other games.) If I payed for my game time in ISK I would want to keep the game the way it is, but I would also be a hypocrite by claiming it's only because I don't want to ruin the amazing gameplay... mine.

Feisty Cadavar
Posted - 2010.11.23 22:36:00 - [304]
 

Originally by: Narkhana
Originally by: Feisty Cadavar
One thing I don't understand ... Why not do plex/isk for remaps? So far I've only heard two reasons against it:
1. That we don't want rich kids having an unfair advantage.
2. That it will increase the cost of plex and drive people out of the game.



You forgot reason #3: The rich in-game people get to keep their unfair advantage of playing the game without spending RL money for it.

There is a large number of people complaining because they currently pay for their 3+ accounts with isk, and if the price of PLEX goes up they might not be able to continue to subscribe. They call themselves subscribers but they're not, they are players who use their in-game riches to milk CCP for a free game. They don't actually contribute any money to CCP's business model yet they're the first to complain that CCP isn't devoting enough of it's resources (that they aren't helping to pay for) to fixing the bugs (that they're not helping to pay for.)

PLEX for Remap is a good idea, and it would provide additional income to CCP to pay for more programmer assets (even if they do work on other games.) If I payed for my game time in ISK I would want to keep the game the way it is, but I would also be a hypocrite by claiming it's only because I don't want to ruin the amazing gameplay... mine.


That may be a reason but I'm not so sure that I would support that. CCP introduced this when they created PLEX. They knew full well that some people may make enough income in game to never ever pay for the game again. I cannot demonize the players for making enough isk to pay for their characters. If they make enough in-game to pay for their 3 accounts then that would hardly be an 'unfair' advantage ( btw, I'm a paying member, don't use plex ). I would agree that they have a conflict of interest though. They know that if CCP does institute these changes that their gameplay will have to change as well. They will have to adapt to the higher prices that PLEX will cost. Isn't that what EVE is all about though, adapting to ever continual change?

I think plex for respec's (with some appropriate controls) and the like are more of a sandbox then these stupid incursions that CCP is putting into the game. At least it's not something I'm forced into. The more I can do with my character == more freedom ( and i'm not just talking about changing the color of his underwear ).

Ebisu Kami
Posted - 2010.11.23 22:54:00 - [305]
 

Originally by: Narkhana
You forgot reason #3: The rich in-game people get to keep their unfair advantage of playing the game without spending RL money for it.

There is a large number of people complaining because they currently pay for their 3+ accounts with isk, and if the price of PLEX goes up they might not be able to continue to subscribe. They call themselves subscribers but they're not, they are players who use their in-game riches to milk CCP for a free game. They don't actually contribute any money to CCP's business model yet they're the first to complain that CCP isn't devoting enough of it's resources (that they aren't helping to pay for) to fixing the bugs (that they're not helping to pay for.)

PLEX for Remap is a good idea, and it would provide additional income to CCP to pay for more programmer assets (even if they do work on other games.) If I payed for my game time in ISK I would want to keep the game the way it is, but I would also be a hypocrite by claiming it's only because I don't want to ruin the amazing gameplay... mine.


You're serious there, are you? These players create a demand for PLEXes. If there were no such players, PLEXes would be useless. Whether they themselves pay for their subscription or someone else trades ISK with these players for a month of game-time, is absolutely no difference at all. These PLEXing players create the same income to CCP as they would, if they'd pay the subscription themselves.

Dmoney3788
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.11.23 23:24:00 - [306]
 

Edited by: Dmoney3788 on 23/11/2010 23:28:22
Originally by: Bhattran

Do your homework, go read that whole thread, then the others in GD, when you get through them all you'll have found your answer but I doubt you'd acknowledge it as so.

Please, enlighten me. And no, after reading the first 5 pages and not finding any reasoned argument I'm not gonna bother to read the other 34. HTFU or GTFO.

Oh and since you didn't offer a rebuttal for my points, does that mean you agree with them, but the issue is something else or what?

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.23 23:28:00 - [307]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
CCP Zulu's new dev blog discusses the concerns players have had regarding neural remapping that was recently found on Singularity, the future of PLEX, and how EVE Online will move forward. You can read it all here.


Alright, then that's good enough for me. But say, do you mind if we turn off the lights?

Microtransactions

Sieges
Posted - 2010.11.24 00:10:00 - [308]
 

PLEX for remaps seemed like a pretty good use for it. But I can see how things could get out of control. PLEX for Standings reset. PLEX for a special Internet Spaceship.

Syri Taneka
The Perfect Storm
Posted - 2010.11.24 00:15:00 - [309]
 

Originally by: Zagdul
Edited by: Zagdul on 22/11/2010 17:27:40
@CCP, Please look into ways where people can use new items, not PLEX's. If you want to create a "cash shop" and truely introduce micro transactions for Vanity Items, you will directly effect the game if you use PLEX as the currency. Many people who play EVE rely on the PLEX to keep their accounts going. If you change the value of PLEX, you'll make it difficult for some people to play EVE.

In other words, you'll need a Vanity Token you can buy that can be bought and sold on the market. Please don't use PLEX's.



While I don't rely on PLEX for my sub, I have to agree with this wholeheartedly, as I have corp mates and other friends in game who do.

I actually think Vanity MT would be a good thing, but if you do implement them, definitely please create something other than PLEX to represent them (Jovian Credits, for example). There have been numerous "fluffy" extras that players over the years have lobbied for, which have not been implemented for whatever reason. If CCP can get a little extra revenue for something like corp/alliance logos on your ship, Incarna outfits beyond the basics available at the character creator, maybe even fancy alternate skins for shuttles, this creates incentive for CCP to implement such things, rewards them for doing so. As a corollary, though, don't pull staff off the main game for this. Don't penalize players who don't engage in vanity purchases just so other players can make themselves a little more flash.

Syri Taneka
The Perfect Storm
Posted - 2010.11.24 00:20:00 - [310]
 

Originally by: Narkhana
Originally by: Feisty Cadavar
One thing I don't understand ... Why not do plex/isk for remaps? So far I've only heard two reasons against it:
1. That we don't want rich kids having an unfair advantage.
2. That it will increase the cost of plex and drive people out of the game.



You forgot reason #3: The rich in-game people get to keep their unfair advantage of playing the game without spending RL money for it.

There is a large number of people complaining because they currently pay for their 3+ accounts with isk, and if the price of PLEX goes up they might not be able to continue to subscribe. They call themselves subscribers but they're not, they are players who use their in-game riches to milk CCP for a free game. They don't actually contribute any money to CCP's business model yet they're the first to complain that CCP isn't devoting enough of it's resources (that they aren't helping to pay for) to fixing the bugs (that they're not helping to pay for.)


The people isk-rich enough to sub through PLEX aren't contributing to CCP's coffers, but SOMEONE is buying and selling that PLEX with real money for isk, and that real money is going to CCP. So what's really happening, is that someone with enough money IRL to afford PLEX for isk is paying for someone else to play the game. And frankly, that player wouldn't mind if PLEX becomes worth more isk = P

Karok Mohegan
Posted - 2010.11.24 01:48:00 - [311]
 

If you're looking for more things to sell, I have a couple suggestions taken directly from WoW. Wow has a company they work with to sell custom character models, complete with your favorite gear. You can buy a full figure, or just a bust, and each is hand painted.

Taking this idea, why not offer more of the ship models. I personally have no interest in buying one of the battleship models. I do fly frigates (or cruisers, or capitol ships on other chars), and absolutely love some of that size ship model, especially faction and T2 models.

Another option also taken from wow would be to offer custom t-shirts, with portrait, perhaps favorite ship, and have name, corp, alliance, other message printed on it as well.

These are both products I would actually be interested in, and would probably buy multiple of the t-shirts especially, for my chars, and as gifts for my friends (to try to sucker them back into the game with a reminder of their char).

I'd provide links to where WoW offers these products, but frankly, I'm too lazy.

Ayla Nori
Posted - 2010.11.24 02:13:00 - [312]
 

It's interesting that no one who has complained about the potential for plex prices going up has seen the obvious.

It's the people that currently pay for eve via buying plex for isk that would drive those prices up.

Those of us that can afford a pack of smokes would just buy the plex with cash.

These are two conflicting issues, plex would not go up due to people spending RL money buying plex (this makes plex enter the game but would supposedly be consumed immediately for a remap) Plex would go up due to isk rich people buying them, I would say it's actually more likely plex would go down in price as if yer already buying one plex for a remap, why not buy 2 for a bit of spending cash.

I've still seen no valid reasons against it.

Rich people (hah) would get an advantage ::
Rich people already have an advantage, we have as many accounts as we please and as much isk as we please, and you are none the wiser.

ISK for remaps ::
plex -> ISK -> remap same thing as ISK -> Plex -> remap. ISK and PLEX are interchangeable along with $15

No micro transactions or I'll quit! ::
Already the most direct possible MT is in game, RL cash = ISK ISK = Anything you want, yet you are still here to post.

Attributes will count for nothing! ::
Nope they will still do exactly what they do now, just if you good at making isk in game or happen to have a few bucks around you can adjust them more often

Plex for remaps was a good idea, a thread with 80 or so forum warriors killing the idea out of 300,000+ subs is pretty unfortunate.







Jane Griffin
Posted - 2010.11.24 02:25:00 - [313]
 

This sucks. I guess ill just have to live out the consequences of my nasty remapping accident :(

Quintus Mordian
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.24 02:37:00 - [314]
 

Edited by: Quintus Mordian on 24/11/2010 03:01:49
Please forgive me, I am relatively new to EvE (six months or so), and I have never posted before on these forums. However I do feel compelled to post regarding this article and ask some questions I hope can be answered. My personal future with EvE maybe decided as a result, and I don't want to leave :(

I will try very much to keep my personal feelings aside and focus only on my question, this is a topic that I feel very strongly about.

From what I understand, CCP is adopting, or rather expanding their Subscription based model with Micro/Macro-transactions, in addition to said subscription. This is accepted by the player-base because it's not going to be for game-breaking items, and only for 'vanity items that no one cares about'. A precedent set by Blizzard (and Cryptic) for which they should never be forgiven.

I would like to know please if the only way to get these 'vanity' items, let's say a new t-shirt for my avatar, a haircut or a logo for my spaceship, will be with real money in addition to my subscription, through the 'store'?

Will there be no in-game way to earn these items? Currently the PLEX system allows a player to purchase their game time using in game currency, would at the very least a similar system be set up to purchase these in game items with isk?

I take great umbrage to a games company charging me a monthly fee, and then wanting to add-on more charges for things that most people don't care about, and that's why they get away with it. To me, getting that new t shirt might be just as important as buying that cruiser, and I would like to be able to earn that in game, and not be 'forced' to spend more money.


So to reiterate my question in a succinct fashion: Will there be an alternative way to purchase or earn, these 'micro-transaction' items in game, i.e. using isk.

Thank you for your time.

Edit: Punctuation

ceaon
Posted - 2010.11.24 03:26:00 - [315]
 

Edited by: ceaon on 24/11/2010 04:03:46
if micro transactions get in game dont expect to pay for my accounts i want EVE to become ****ing freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee like world of tanks

micro are ok for free-to-play MMO but not on subscription game


also the question is can we sell the virtual good for real money like on second life or no ?

Rokarim
Posted - 2010.11.24 03:32:00 - [316]
 

Microtransactions on a MMO with a monthly fee is a TERRIBLE idea. I have just come to terms with plexes after reading alot about their benefits and cons, I finally accepted that they are fine since the players give them value in-game and it combats gold farmers.

However... paying extra dollars for vanity items? Little things, then working up to usable items later on? Thats just terrible. This is exactly why I quit champions online; I couldn't stomach paying a monthly fee and having an item shop where they only put the new costume content. If EVE takes the same path then I may just leave, might as well go play a carebear MMO from a regular company, because if EVE takes this path they will have fallen from their flawless record, and joined the rest of the world in making average games for the masses and their dollars, instead of what their players want.

Just look at this threat, page after page of displeased people. Please act like you say you do, and make EVE a game based around what the players want, the players clearly do not want this.

Again, this is a horrible idea and will probably end up being a deal breaker for me, every other game does this or will be doing it soon, and its one of the main reasons I am here and not there.

Elzon1
Caldari
Shadow Boys Corp
Bloodbound.
Posted - 2010.11.24 04:20:00 - [317]
 

Originally by: Akita T
The crowd has spoken... and the crowd's a moron.
PLEX for instant remap would have been a GOOD thing.
But obviously, people are too afraid it might lead to ACTUAL "microtransactionland", so they killed what would have been an awesome feature.
Pfft.


1. Moron: a controversial term once used in psychology to denote a category of mental ******ation or having a mental age of between eight and twelve years. Wouldn't promoting advantage through real money cause more morons with their parents' credit card to come into eve and begin to pwn us? If using real money didn't provide a real advantage against most others who don't then they would not do so. This simply means if you have more money you win. If such a thing were to be done most hardcore eve players would see no real reason to stay and many would leave with them due to the hardcore players being fairly fun to fly with. EVE needs to be based on player skill and brain matter not real life wealth.

2. Well, I can agree that additional remapping could be a good thing, but not directly for PLEX. Such a thing should be done with an isk transaction to npcs not plex. With this if a player has very few resources in-game then he/she can buy PLEX to sell to other players for isk. Then, that isk can be used for an addditional remap. With this PLEX prices may be reduced due to higher demand for an advantage over other players. But think about it, even if PLEX HAD to be used to get a remap they would just use in-game isk to get the PLEX for the remap.

Summary:

CCP's way- Remapping directly through PLEX, Reaction- Higher PLEX prices due to higher demand and will cause a greater difficulty in grinding out isk for a PLEX in game, which could cause loss of core player base, Overall- I cannot see any positive aspects with this move other than CCP may temporarily get a boost in revenue but inevitably will lose it due to the alienation of the core playerbase.

Player's Way- Remapping through isk, Reaction- Lower PLEX prices due to additional PLEX creation and will cause at least a lowering of the isk inflation rate, Overall- there are positive aspects due to the lowering of PLEX prices and a lower isk inflation rate will mean the isk in your wallet will retain it's buying power for a longer period of time.

3. CCP Zulu: "There is a constantly decreasing number of MMO‘s out there that don‘t incorporate virtual goods sales at some level. - games that aren't responding to this trend are dying out. Diversifying the business model allows us to offer our players the services and features they desire in ways that are conducive to how they wish to spend their entertainment dollars. The result is that we provide a wider range of options to our subscribers which, in turn, leaves us better positioned to react to future seismic shifts in the market."

Summary- "microtransactionland" is where the big bucks are. CCP wishes to bow to it's new whiney pre-teen overlords Laughing

Playerbase- we no like new pre-teen overlords Evil or Very Mad

Wall-o-text summary- PLEX is for 30 day extension, for everything else there is I.S.K.

Personal opinion- I am fine with whiney pre-teen getting advantage... I just want cheaper PLEX Cool

To all pre-teen overlords: Such advantages won't last forever, how long such advantages last is determined by how quickly I can mine every last penny from your parent's wallet Twisted Evil

Ni-Hao!!!!!

-Elzon1




Morar Santee
Posted - 2010.11.24 04:55:00 - [318]
 

Edited by: Morar Santee on 24/11/2010 04:56:47
Originally by: Elzon1

Player's Way- Remapping through isk, Reaction- Lower PLEX prices due to additional PLEX creation and will cause at least a lowering of the isk inflation rate, Overall- there are positive aspects due to the lowering of PLEX prices and a lower isk inflation rate will mean the isk in your wallet will retain it's buying power for a longer period of time.



Funny how that solution - which would have made a **** ton of sense for all the reasons you mentioned - was so deftly ignored by CCP, and Zulu puts the blame on people who opposed PLEX for remap. The very same people who suggested this alternative in the first place, mind you.

Amazing marketing strategy, if you think about it. Scrap an ambivalent feature entirely. Put blame on people who oppose microtransactions. Then introduce microtransactions anyway, kicking all promises you made there would never be such a thing to the gutter. But at the same time pacify the undecided crowd: "Game balance will not be affected!! We are listening to you!!" - which we ought to believe for two reasons:
1. CCP kept their promise there would never be microtransactions, too. Oh... wait a second.
2. CCP know fully well 80% of their playerbase are against microtransactions. And they don't give a ****.

gargars
Posted - 2010.11.24 05:02:00 - [319]
 

Welcome to your first forum post... if you get flamed don't take it personally - some people seem to be rude simply because they can and it makes them feel better or bigger or something.

Anyway in answer to your questions, no one - including CCP - knows how the proposed micro transactions for vanity items is going to work yet. It's new (and unwelcome imo) territory for Eve.

One thing I think is for sure tho, if they do micro/vanity items, it can't always be 'each item for 1 plex'... I mean a month's worth of gameplay is not the same value as a logo on your ships or a character t-shirt etc.

Am guessing if they HAVE to proceed (please don't) it will be something like 'a plex = 300 vanity points' then each item costs so many points from your 'plex bank' or whatnot.

I am assuming that if they have some vanity item to sell, it won't be available for isk. They won't make the extra profit they seem to be after.

Time will tell. I am hoping they don't do it. The reasons given for doing it were condescending and false.


Originally by: Quintus Mordian
Edited by: Quintus Mordian on 24/11/2010 03:01:49
Please forgive me, I am relatively new to EvE (six months or so), and I have never posted before on these forums. However I do feel compelled to post regarding this article and ask some questions I hope can be answered. My personal future with EvE maybe decided as a result, and I don't want to leave :(

I will try very much to keep my personal feelings aside and focus only on my question, this is a topic that I feel very strongly about.

From what I understand, CCP is adopting, or rather expanding their Subscription based model with Micro/Macro-transactions, in addition to said subscription. This is accepted by the player-base because it's not going to be for game-breaking items, and only for 'vanity items that no one cares about'. A precedent set by Blizzard (and Cryptic) for which they should never be forgiven.

I would like to know please if the only way to get these 'vanity' items, let's say a new t-shirt for my avatar, a haircut or a logo for my spaceship, will be with real money in addition to my subscription, through the 'store'?

Will there be no in-game way to earn these items? Currently the PLEX system allows a player to purchase their game time using in game currency, would at the very least a similar system be set up to purchase these in game items with isk?

I take great umbrage to a games company charging me a monthly fee, and then wanting to add-on more charges for things that most people don't care about, and that's why they get away with it. To me, getting that new t shirt might be just as important as buying that cruiser, and I would like to be able to earn that in game, and not be 'forced' to spend more money.


So to reiterate my question in a succinct fashion: Will there be an alternative way to purchase or earn, these 'micro-transaction' items in game, i.e. using isk.

Thank you for your time.

Edit: Punctuation

cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers
Posted - 2010.11.24 06:32:00 - [320]
 

I have been playing this game for over one and a half years now (which I understand in eve terms is not a massive ammount of time lol) and for the first time im taking a break from the game for a few months.

For me the spark that was eve dosent seem to be quite as bright anymore. Theres so many things in this game that need to be looked at. I understand your only human, you want a sucsessfull buisness but I really believe things are going a little downhill.

In my opinion microtransactions are only ever going to work in eve if there meaningfull. Theres only so many times someone will want to buy clothes.
You could really tie it all into incarna and make that whole thing work. As it stands it sounds like its just going to be your average 3d chat client. Im rambling on now so I will end...

Amida Ta
German Mining and Manufacture Corp.
Posted - 2010.11.24 07:05:00 - [321]
 

So does Eve become Free to play if you include Micro-Transactions?
Because all other games that do have Micro-Transactions are Free2Play.

Really looking forward to not have to pay that 15€ a month anymore!

Floydd Heywood
Posted - 2010.11.24 08:42:00 - [322]
 

CCP, you just totally ruined all my skill plans. And those of several corpmates, too. Instead of empowering newer players by letting them skill faster you just screwed them good, really good. Great work!

This will cost you subscribers.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.11.24 10:13:00 - [323]
 

Originally by: Floydd Heywood
CCP, you just totally ruined all my skill plans. And those of several corpmates, too. Instead of empowering newer players by letting them skill faster you just screwed them good, really good. Great work!

This will cost you subscribers.


Are you saying that you made skillplans based on a change that had not been confirmed or even officially proposed? Rolling Eyes

Well I hope you learned something from this...

Floydd Heywood
Posted - 2010.11.24 10:16:00 - [324]
 

Btw, this feature was not only on the official test server for a long time, it was also announced in no uncertain terms in an official interview.

Quote:
Eurogamer: Business models in MMOs are changing. Are there any plans to use micro-transactions in EVE to allow people to re-map their skills?

Torfi Frans Olafsson: Yeah, we are looking at introducing virtual goods within the game, but we feel those things should be vanity items rather than those that give you a clear benefit over other players in-game.

That said, we are introducing a feature this expansion [Incursion], that does allow you to re-map your attributes using Pilot Licence Extensions, which are bought both in-game and on our website. PLEX represents 30-days subscription within the game.

We will evolve just like everyone else. We will certainly not become a dinosaur. That has not been our style.


No "we may" or "we think about it", but "we are introducing".

If you start receiving petitions asking to at least amend a now ****ed up recent remapping, you should think real hard before rejecting them.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.11.24 10:18:00 - [325]
 

Originally by: Amida Ta
So does Eve become Free to play if you include Micro-Transactions?
Because all other games that do have Micro-Transactions are Free2Play.

Really looking forward to not have to pay that 15€ a month anymore!


EVE already has a free to play option. I haven't paid for this account for months. Essentially, it's the same deal as other FTP games offer, where the guys that buy a bunch of stuff from the cash shop effectively subsidise the guys that dont pay for anything. CCP's model just cuts out the cash-shop middleman. The big spenders directly pay for the freeloaders, and the freeloaders directly give the big spenders their in game advantage.


Whereas most FTP/Hybrid games limit the content available or hamstring your character in some way if you dont pay, all that EVE asks is that you play a bit more, and give some of the rewards of that play to the guy who's paying for your sub.

The big advantage of the PLEX system over traditional F2P/Hybrids is that rather than have CCP guess what the player effort:gametime exchange rate "should be" (and spend a lot of effort administering and enforcing that rate in the teeth of RMT traders), the players can determine it between themselves.

Not to mention the numerous gameplay advantages PLEX has over more traditional RMT schemes - or rather, lack of disadvantages.

tl;dr: EVE is already a F2P:P2P Hybrid game and has been almost since the beginning.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.11.24 10:21:00 - [326]
 

Originally by: Floydd Heywood
Btw, this feature was not only on the official test server for a long time, it was also announced in no uncertain terms in an official interview.

Quote:
Eurogamer: Business models in MMOs are changing. Are there any plans to use micro-transactions in EVE to allow people to re-map their skills?

Torfi Frans Olafsson: Yeah, we are looking at introducing virtual goods within the game, but we feel those things should be vanity items rather than those that give you a clear benefit over other players in-game.

That said, we are introducing a feature this expansion [Incursion], that does allow you to re-map your attributes using Pilot Licence Extensions, which are bought both in-game and on our website. PLEX represents 30-days subscription within the game.

We will evolve just like everyone else. We will certainly not become a dinosaur. That has not been our style.


No "we may" or "we think about it", but "we are introducing".

If you start receiving petitions asking to at least amend a now ****ed up recent remapping, you should think real hard before rejecting them.


It's not "official" until it's on TQ. And not always even then. You should know that by now.

Floydd Heywood
Posted - 2010.11.24 10:28:00 - [327]
 

Your hairsplitting doesn't matter. Many people did this, and if they are not given a way out many will lose their motivation to stay in the game. This is not just about me feeling bad, this is about a totally, utterly inept business policy. This thing was generally accepted fact for months (the whining-storm is evidence enough) and is now scrapped without prior notice at the time when it was expected to be introduced.

Reddx Panther
Posted - 2010.11.24 11:20:00 - [328]
 

Very disappointed.

I'd say with PLEX for ISK Eve has the most advanced solution for the whole microtransaction business. The more Eve in-game stuff your game designer can make desirable, the more people will buy PLEX to continue playing or buy in-game stuff.

Trying to create a 'secondary/alternative' market where assets can exclusively be bought directly via PLEX is just a lame excuse for not keeping game economy in shape and for designing too many game mechanics that are too easily macroable.

This is why I don't understand why you come to the conclusion 'God makes them disappear. Through MAGIC.'. The day EVE is no fun anymore it'll disappear.

If your sales people have hopes they could squeeze more money out of Eve by other means than good game design and brilliant technical implementation, they should consider that I'll cancel my subscription once there's stuff ingame that I can't buy directly with hard-earned (or PLEX-earned) ISK, vanity or not.

I wouldn't mind a neural remap for as much as several billion ISK btw. Do it. I was already optimizing my skill plans for it, suckers :). And it would drive the PLEX sales for sure.

carebear one
Posted - 2010.11.24 11:43:00 - [329]
 

Edited by: carebear one on 24/11/2010 11:49:25
Edited by: carebear one on 24/11/2010 11:48:23
Hi,

first in a long time I am going d'accor with CCP and the CSM

CONGRATULATIONS ABOUT THIS DECISSION

It is totaly understandable that you guys from CCP want to make money. Doing such a thing as EVE is not only about altruism and mother-theresa-feelings ... its about earning a living and getting rich ... and thats a totaly understandable reason.

But changing the progress in game by the size of your RL-Moneypocket was the worst idea you guys ever had (okay there are some more worst ideas but silence about that). I understand there is a big need for people who defining themselv about the size of there account to show off but this can be managed ingame with things that not inflict the gameplay itself.

So resist the urge of the show-offs and keep this line up. No game-related things paid with real money except the subscription itself (of course) (and to all the plex-complainers ... even if I buy a plex ingame there was at some point real money involved)

PS: It would be a shame if EVE ends up as a twin of the MMO that name can not be outspoken loudly

Floydd Heywood
Posted - 2010.11.24 11:54:00 - [330]
 

The feature had nothing to do with real money. I pay for my accounts with real money, but I had no intention to buy PLEX for real money to do the additional remaps.

I can earn the ISK for a PLEX doing C3 wormhole sites solo in less than three hours (using/risking ships that cost <250m ISK combined). No need for real money or even a lot of time (yes, I have a job). Only because you don't know how to make ISK quick don't assume everyone is equally incompetent...


Pages: first : previous : ... 7 8 9 10 [11] 12 13 14 15 : last (15)

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only