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HyperZerg
Posted - 2010.11.17 10:04:00 - [1]
 

From my perspektive, if someone uses bots to sell the ISK for real money, CCP sometimes finds them, they ban them and remove the ISK from the game.

But, if you run a bot in a remote 0.0 System and use the ISK only for yourself CCP does nothing. Even if you report them on multiple days for the same reason. They still are online every day, flying from belt to belt all the time.

The only 2 reasons I see:

1. CCP only bans bots involved in RTM, because it allowes poeple to pull money out of the game. Other bot doesn't decrease the profit of CCP.
2. I only can't see them be banned, because CCP doesn't tell anyone. Also the Dev-Blogs talkt most of the time about RMT-bots.


Greetings Hyperzerg

Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.11.17 18:45:00 - [2]
 

Bot-usage (macroing through outside programs) is a ban-able offense already...

FFS keep your whine-posts out of AH.

matthiastee
Posted - 2010.11.17 18:53:00 - [3]
 


FFS keep your whine-posts out of AH.
keep your big ***** replies out of topecs

HyperZerg
Posted - 2010.11.17 19:54:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Lykouleon
Bot-usage (macroing through outside programs) is a ban-able offense already...

FFS keep your whine-posts out of AH.


Murder is illegal too, that's why there is no more murder around.

But if you are sure they get banned, you may post your sources.

I'm asking that the CSM brings this topic to CCP and ask for statistics and feedback about non-RTM-bot-users.


Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.11.17 21:56:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: HyperZerg

But if you are sure they get banned, you may post your sources.




Chapter 7 Section A Subsection 3, Specifically Restricted Content (EVE Online EULA)

Quote:
You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.


As I said, its right there in the EULA.

Smelly Bait
Posted - 2010.11.17 22:05:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Lykouleon
Originally by: HyperZerg

But if you are sure they get banned, you may post your sources.




Chapter 7 Section A Subsection 3, Specifically Restricted Content (EVE Online EULA)

Quote:
You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.


As I said, its right there in the EULA.



i can rat faster than a bot raven

Red Raider
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.11.17 23:07:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Smelly Bait
Originally by: Lykouleon
Originally by: HyperZerg

But if you are sure they get banned, you may post your sources.




Chapter 7 Section A Subsection 3, Specifically Restricted Content (EVE Online EULA)

Quote:
You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.


As I said, its right there in the EULA.



i can rat faster than a bot raven


Thats great, can you do it for 23 hours without pause for the next 2 years on 4 accounts?

wr3cks
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.11.18 03:28:00 - [8]
 

Everyone knows there is a ton of macro-ratting, macro-mining, and courier botnetting in this game. CCP doesn't do anything unless they link the account to RMT.

And it sucks. I don't want to have to compete with automated programs.

Does anyone else remember reading about the game and about, say, mining and thinking that it would be lucrative and important, that there would be escorts for mining ops in dangerous territory? It's basically for afkers and botters, and as such, it's unimportant and unlucrative.

I don't understand the previous responses. Yes, it's against the EULA, and yes, CCP *can* ban people for botting, but they obviously don't. Go to Ingunn and count the bestowers piloted by laura4398 and fred78927laksjd.

Supported.

Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.11.18 15:21:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: wr3cks

I don't understand the previous responses.


1) Typically a proposal is in the form of "this is what's wrong/what I think might be cool. This is what should be done" not "wah wah wah I don't read EULAs nor know how to use a search function so I want the CSM to hold my hand wah wah"

2) Enforcement of the EULA is solely CCP + the GM's domain, the CSM has no oversight into this. Yeah, we can complain about it (again, search function, this has been brought up before), but its up to CCP to actually enforce their own rules...or have the GM's actually play the friggin' game so they know whats actually going on and understand game mechanics

matthiastee
Posted - 2010.11.18 17:46:00 - [10]
 

yeah this topic is retarted even if csm approved this or whatever they could never actually make the ******s over in ccp actually do anything its up to ccp alone.

go make a petition or something oh wait ive done that several times about different things and they do nothing.

Stupid McStupidson
Gallente
Hoek Lyne and Sinker
Posted - 2010.11.19 14:32:00 - [11]
 

Do you really think that CCP knows who the bots are, and is just sitting there with their finger on the ban button waiting for them to sell some ISK? What benefit would that be to them? There will eventually be a Holy Rage II, after which the bot/macro people will write a program to compensate, and the cycle begins anew. Yes bots/macros are frustrating. Welcome to MMO's.

Cyprus Black
Caldari
Perkone

Posted - 2010.11.19 17:10:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Cyprus Black on 19/11/2010 17:10:39
Obviously the botting issue is becoming increasingly worse... again.

And, like last time, we the players are seeing little to nothing done about it. The botters (or macro users if you prefer) seem to operate with impunity. We report them day after day, week after week and nothing happens. The same botters are still there and new ones appear every day.

Maybe CCP is doing something about them. We don't know. All we see is the same bots over and over mining/ratting/hauling/trading and we report them over and over without results.

Hell, maybe I should start up a few botting accounts for the extra income. The chances of actually getting banned are slim to none.

Captain Fandango
Posted - 2010.11.19 17:18:00 - [13]
 


Quote:
at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play.


ironically this particularly odd clause makes it ok to macro as long as you do it slower, ergo, macro-ing itself isn't actually against the EULA?

seems to me like if they'd meant no bots, they'd of put, 'no bots' irrespective of the speed at which they work. this seems specific? anyone clear it up?

wr3cks
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.11.20 00:17:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Captain Fandango

Quote:
at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play.


ironically this particularly odd clause makes it ok to macro as long as you do it slower, ergo, macro-ing itself isn't actually against the EULA?

seems to me like if they'd meant no bots, they'd of put, 'no bots' irrespective of the speed at which they work. this seems specific? anyone clear it up?


+1 spacelawyer point to you, sir

of course, the EULA also states that CCP can do whatever it wants with regard to your account and associated virtual property

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2010.11.22 13:24:00 - [15]
 

I think that CCP should go after bot and macro users with more agressive attitude.


 

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