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McStalins Jr
Posted - 2010.11.26 12:30:00 - [3601]
 

McStalins Jr,6,13,21,29,45,47,51,53,54,61,85,92,137,145,202

Simeon Tor
Picon Fleet
New Eden Research.
Posted - 2010.11.26 12:30:00 - [3602]
 

You can stop poasting now, voting is over..

Nummer 257
Posted - 2010.11.26 12:31:00 - [3603]
 

Khekkan,6,13,21,29,45,47,51,53,54,61,85,92,137,145,202

Arduemont
Posted - 2010.11.26 12:53:00 - [3604]
 

Arduemont,35,82,129,26,22,23,149,31,83,106,128,144,

Xel Ra
Posted - 2010.11.26 13:59:00 - [3605]
 

This voting period was crap. After following this issue closely for months with nothing happening, finally a vote is held with a less than one month notice of the voting period. I'm just disgusted and as usual don't feel like the CSM represents my voice at all.

Ogogov
Gallente
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.11.26 14:36:00 - [3606]
 

I still see "Fix Hybrids" nowhere on that list. I am disappoint.

Sun Ying
Caldari
Sun Ltd.
Posted - 2010.11.26 15:04:00 - [3607]
 

Sun Ying,48,92,83,52,109,56,57

Achkeron
Posted - 2010.11.26 16:41:00 - [3608]
 

Achkeron,26,52,56,106,108,116,117,156

The House7
Posted - 2010.11.26 21:33:00 - [3609]
 

Edited by: The House7 on 26/11/2010 21:33:57

prindle
Posted - 2010.11.26 23:07:00 - [3610]
 

prindle,46,56,57,59,62,85,96,106,124,141,146,148,157,197

Mibad
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.27 03:49:00 - [3611]
 

Edited by: Mibad on 27/11/2010 03:50:58
Mibad - 16, 24, 50, 106, 114, 125, 145

Nevermind, voting over. was linked here from main page <_<

Romney
Posted - 2010.11.27 17:45:00 - [3612]
 

Romney,197,189,193,6,3

Baroness D
Posted - 2010.11.28 07:56:00 - [3613]
 

WHAT? WHY is voting over? How exactly are we supposed to voice our opinion on matters to the CSM if you bury the link shortly after you post it? I have serious doubts on how interested CCP and CSM are in the opinions of the people who pay to play (and fund every paycheck for the staff at ccp I might add) this game when you don't make a great effort to tell people and make it easy for people to voice and vote there thoughts.

Halonet
Posted - 2010.11.28 10:37:00 - [3614]
 

Halonet,6,41,82,112,123,127,145,5

Carleti45
Posted - 2010.11.28 12:06:00 - [3615]
 

Carleti45, 169

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.28 12:07:00 - [3616]
 

Originally by: Baroness D
WHAT? WHY is voting over? How exactly are we supposed to voice our opinion on matters to the CSM if you bury the link shortly after you post it? I have serious doubts on how interested CCP and CSM are in the opinions of the people who pay to play (and fund every paycheck for the staff at ccp I might add) this game when you don't make a great effort to tell people and make it easy for people to voice and vote there thoughts.


Voting was open for almost 2 weeks, the thread was stickied, and there were several EVE news announcements about it -- heck, there was even a login banner.

The reason we closed voting when we did was simple: we need to have the results available now in order to influence decisions that will soon be made about what will be developed for the summer 2011 expansion.

vermin84
Posted - 2010.11.28 16:57:00 - [3617]
 

vermin84,30,22,23,44

Olga Tovix
Posted - 2010.11.28 16:59:00 - [3618]
 

Olga Tovix,22,23,30,44

pomka17
Posted - 2010.11.29 06:28:00 - [3619]
 

pomka17,1,6,15,21,22,26,31,47,50,51,53,75,84,85,97,106,121,131,137,145,148,156,160,179,186,195,196,200.

ZaBob
Twilight Labs
Unsung Voices
Posted - 2010.11.29 10:43:00 - [3620]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: Baroness D
WHAT? WHY is voting over? How exactly are we supposed to voice our opinion on matters to the CSM if you bury the link shortly after you post it? I have serious doubts on how interested CCP and CSM are in the opinions of the people who pay to play (and fund every paycheck for the staff at ccp I might add) this game when you don't make a great effort to tell people and make it easy for people to voice and vote there thoughts.


Voting was open for almost 2 weeks, the thread was stickied, and there were several EVE news announcements about it -- heck, there was even a login banner.

The reason we closed voting when we did was simple: we need to have the results available now in order to influence decisions that will soon be made about what will be developed for the summer 2011 expansion.


The voting may have been open for "almost" two weeks, and "there was even" a login banner -- but the login banner is the only way to reach those of us who spend our actual time in-game doing things, instead of flaming on the forums.

And THAT was not posted until voting had been ongoing for a week.

Basically, you gave your cronies who hang out on the forums an extra week, at the expense of those of us who hang out in the game.

With 200+ issues to sort through, a week is not even close to enough. I read a LOT of issues; it's not like I didn't try.

Do it better next time, OK? I'd like my chance to contribute, and I feel like I was shut out.

I'm sure you had no choice about shutting off the vote at this point -- so next time, get them up sooner, and get word out sooner, and be sure to include people who don't hang out on the forums talking smack at each other.

Thanks.

Xel Ra
Posted - 2010.11.29 23:31:00 - [3621]
 

Originally by: ZaBob
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: Baroness D
WHAT? WHY is voting over? How exactly are we supposed to voice our opinion on matters to the CSM if you bury the link shortly after you post it? I have serious doubts on how interested CCP and CSM are in the opinions of the people who pay to play (and fund every paycheck for the staff at ccp I might add) this game when you don't make a great effort to tell people and make it easy for people to voice and vote there thoughts.


Voting was open for almost 2 weeks, the thread was stickied, and there were several EVE news announcements about it -- heck, there was even a login banner.

The reason we closed voting when we did was simple: we need to have the results available now in order to influence decisions that will soon be made about what will be developed for the summer 2011 expansion.


The voting may have been open for "almost" two weeks, and "there was even" a login banner -- but the login banner is the only way to reach those of us who spend our actual time in-game doing things, instead of flaming on the forums.

And THAT was not posted until voting had been ongoing for a week.

Basically, you gave your cronies who hang out on the forums an extra week, at the expense of those of us who hang out in the game.

With 200+ issues to sort through, a week is not even close to enough. I read a LOT of issues; it's not like I didn't try.

Do it better next time, OK? I'd like my chance to contribute, and I feel like I was shut out.

I'm sure you had no choice about shutting off the vote at this point -- so next time, get them up sooner, and get word out sooner, and be sure to include people who don't hang out on the forums talking smack at each other.

Thanks.




This.

I'll only add that I stringently followed the issue for months in multiple fora including this one with nothing substantive happening, to the point where I gave it a rest, only to come back (after a short respite) to find this "opportunity" for input closed. Not much of an opportunity at all, as it turns out.

Xel Ra
Posted - 2010.11.29 23:34:00 - [3622]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: Baroness D
WHAT? WHY is voting over? How exactly are we supposed to voice our opinion on matters to the CSM if you bury the link shortly after you post it? I have serious doubts on how interested CCP and CSM are in the opinions of the people who pay to play (and fund every paycheck for the staff at ccp I might add) this game when you don't make a great effort to tell people and make it easy for people to voice and vote there thoughts.


Voting was open for almost 2 weeks, the thread was stickied, and there were several EVE news announcements about it -- heck, there was even a login banner.

The reason we closed voting when we did was simple: we need to have the results available now in order to influence decisions that will soon be made about what will be developed for the summer 2011 expansion.


I never saw this in Eve News 24 and I was reading every weekday.

Sor'Ral
Posted - 2010.11.30 04:45:00 - [3623]
 

Sor'Ral,197,127,41,123,124,125,19,21,154

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.30 11:22:00 - [3624]
 

Originally by: Xel Ra
I never saw this in Eve News 24 and I was reading every weekday.


Eve News 24 (while a great site, I read it myself) is not Eve News Twisted Evil

However, you raise an interesting point -- I'll try to remember to send out a press-release to them the next time we do a prioritization.

Kubbar
Posted - 2010.12.01 11:37:00 - [3625]
 

Kubbar,1,5,26,31,33,35,40,45,53,62,83,85,96,111,118,137,145,156

Cmdr Zander
Posted - 2010.12.01 22:29:00 - [3626]
 

cmdr zander 67, 68, 69, 70 , 71, 72, 73, 74

Chiblot
Posted - 2010.12.01 22:38:00 - [3627]
 

Edited by: Chiblot on 01/12/2010 22:41:03

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.02 11:29:00 - [3628]
 


Ophelia Ursus
Posted - 2010.12.02 15:09:00 - [3629]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Results now include CSM Filtering

Hey, look, all it took was a little "processing" and "filtering" to knock Assault Frigates down from first place and out of the top ten. And you were also able to bump a few things that those idiots who voted were just too damn stupid to properly appreciate up above them. Smooooth. Cool

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2010.12.02 17:59:00 - [3630]
 

Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 02/12/2010 18:04:09
Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Results now include CSM Filtering

Hey, look, all it took was a little "processing" and "filtering" to knock Assault Frigates down from first place and out of the top ten. And you were also able to bump a few things that those idiots who voted were just too damn stupid to properly appreciate up above them. Smooooth. Cool


That's how it works. If CCP just wanted direct voting on issues, the CSM wouldn't be necessary. The results also show what the real support from the community for each general idea was, so CCP can see what the players actually want to be prioritized, even though the current CSM doesn't want to push those ideas as a priority, since they and their supporters can benefit more from other less popular changes.

EDIT: Just wanted to make clear, that I don't have a problem with how things work. All items were good improvements and the game will benefit from them, even though I would have chosen differently. There is also the point, that if we go by popularity alone, some fixes/improvements will get delayed indefinitely, since the majority doesn't utilize such systems on a regular basis if ever.


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