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inexistin
Rubbish and Garbage Removal
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:20:00 - [121]
 

Edited by: inexistin on 11/11/2010 19:22:40
This news both brings both joy and sadness to my heart... however, if the new character creator were to magically reappear on Sisi with more stuffs for us to mess with, I'd forget about the part with sadness... Very Happy

EDIT: Seems the character creator is back up. That being said, I have no idea why I'm still wasting time editing this post.

DJ Obsidian
RONA Legion
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:20:00 - [122]
 

Edited by: DJ Obsidian on 11/11/2010 19:21:30
Originally by: wizard87


Hi I am a person posing at a bitter old vet, I failed to read that this expansion is in 3 parts and the stuff i posted was only part 1. I also failed to notice that everything in part 1 was stuff that had been asked for months and for some items over a year to be changed. I do not care about fixing old broken stuff I only want new stuff but because I failed to read everything I think that the back log of changes is the only thing in this expansion.




FTFY

Stuff I can has cause you sir are obviously an idiot.

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2010.11.11 19:23:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Anna Ooze
How about different icons for BPO vs BPC ?

Now that would be a nice little addition too!
With 64 Bit Inventory that we deployed in Tyrannis 1.2 then we finally have the needed backend support in the inventory system to be able to entertain the notion of implementing this feature. It won't be in this release though.

Lirinas
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:30:00 - [124]
 

I remember some updates being delayed or broken-up into a couple mini-expansions in the past (RMR I think was like this). Delaying things is perfectly acceptable in my book - and the fact that some of the simpler things will still be released in Nov. apart from the "meat" of the expansion is even better. Anything is preferable to the debacle that Tyrannis is.

Like other people, I'm also wondering when the Noctis will be released in all of this. I also am GREATLY curious when the PI Enhancements will happen.

Rheige Bladewhisper
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:30:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Hrothgar Doran
And that $26 million a year is being divided into developement on 3 different games, only one of which is bringing in said revenue. And consider that wow (making $258 million a year) has only released 2 expanions so far, soon to be 3.

I agree with you that CCP needs to tell us what specifically is causing the delay, but look at it this way. If CCP is taking the time to correct it's mistakes in past releases, and provide some long needed polish on certain elements of the game (tech two ammo, etc) then when it comes to to release incarna, they won't have to delay it in turn due to fixing bugs from the past three releases.

If they made a mistake, be happy they are correcting it sooner, rather than later. Or worse, never.


Here's the thing, though: We shouldn't be having money we spend on our game being sent off to making other ones and then used as an excuse. Trying to say that is just plain silly. As far as expansions go, WoW has had plenty of new-content releases that have added lots more to the game each time then CCP tends to with theirs.

Now, quibbling aside, I DO approve of this, CCP. Just remember that we're paying for EVE, not for your WoD game, if you'd please.

P.S. Give us the Noctis at the end of November. =/

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:32:00 - [126]
 

Good choice.

Jita Alt666
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:32:00 - [127]
 

Edited by: Jita Alt666 on 11/11/2010 19:33:27
For the last 12 months Eve has stagnated with the poor quality expansions, dominion and tyrannis. Looking at dev blogs over the last 3 months all good money was on CCP releasing another pile of poop that would satisfy the ever narrowing market of fanbois. This move to fix errors first and delay releasing new material is nice step away from the previous ethos of mediocrity.

Well done here CCP, this is a wise long term decision that shows an emphasis on quality game features, mechanics and implementation. It is also nice to the see that the message from the CSM has made it to head office and that CCP are listening to the player base.

Seriously, nice job CSM. RIP T'amber.


wizard87
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:34:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: DJ Obsidian
Edited by: DJ Obsidian on 11/11/2010 19:21:30
Originally by: wizard87


Hi I am a person posing at a bitter old vet, I failed to read that this expansion is in 3 parts and the stuff i posted was only part 1. I also failed to notice that everything in part 1 was stuff that had been asked for months and for some items over a year to be changed. I do not care about fixing old broken stuff I only want new stuff but because I failed to read everything I think that the back log of changes is the only thing in this expansion.




FTFY

Stuff I can has cause you sir are obviously an idiot.


Ironically, this quote also pretty much sums up what has happened to the Eve community in that time too.

There's no posing as a bitter vet here, I am a bitter vet. I'm bitter because the game I invested 5 years constantly playing has become something that the developers can't, won't or don't want to improve much more than where it is at now.

If you'd been around long enough you'd notice this is a mindset change at CCP, and this '3 part expansion' doesn't even add up to 1 decent expansion by their own high standards of 3-4 years ago. It just sums up the state of things at CCP that they can't deliver as much as they used to even with many, many more people.

No you cant have my stuff. I will probably go suicide Jita and burn as much as I can before I go. Toodles.

Lolion Reglo
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:35:00 - [129]
 

Im glad you guys are taking the time to make sure you release a good product instead of rushing it and dropping a load of crap on us. im more than happy with the schedule you put out for the incursion plan and cant wait till January now. keep up the good work!

dtyk
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:44:00 - [130]
 

Thank you CCP. This is what we wanted to hear.

carebear one
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:45:00 - [131]
 

Edited by: carebear one on 11/11/2010 19:47:33
Hi,

well it was absolutly clear and without a doubt that this patch would be moved. With all the pre-Incarna-parts in it, the pressure to release Incarna before 2050 would be too high.

So Incursion will be a little Fake-expansion to convince themself they did two expansions a year. Specially after even the main-appetizer of Incursion beside the pre-incarna-part will be out of the expansion and postboned without any date.

Kanatta Jing
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:45:00 - [132]
 

At first I was the disappointed.

Then I realized this will give me ample time to finish my solo EVE projects and join a corp somewhere before the release of Incursions thus freeing me from having to spam "Have Guardian, want to fleet with armor tankers" in local.

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:51:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Rustpunk
Totally on board. Haters gonna hate, but they need to HTFU and get on board the Excellence freighter train.


This, Excellence Freighter Train FTW!

People are either going to ***** that things are going to be released late (which I see a few of already), or they are going to ***** when PI is half finished and POS's shoot blues. I know I'd rather have a later release date than be shot by my own tower any day. Props to CCP for listening.

Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:57:00 - [134]
 

Having the expansion broken into 3 parts is going to be great. From the technical standpoint it will address the issues of bugs and problems in smaller easier to tackle portions which is good for the GM's and good for the players as instead of a giant wall of bugs only have a small fence.


Juan Sezole
The Colonial Forces
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:57:00 - [135]
 

Plus marks for bowing to the inevitable and delaying this until AFTER the Christmas sales rush (oh me oh my).

Novembers "mini-expansion" is nothing more than Tyrannis 1.3, end of story. Not an expansion, its a patch.
80 new courier missions ... yup the macro brigade will love that!!
No PI improvements???? Tweaks and balances.

Sigh well ONE REAL Expansion a year will have to do.

3/10 based mainly on CCP getting some common sense

Chronos Rhem
Posted - 2010.11.11 20:21:00 - [136]
 

Can we please haz our Noctis in the November patch please?

Aisley Tyrion
Aseveljet
Posted - 2010.11.11 20:33:00 - [137]
 

So will the November and/or December patches still be called 'Incursion' even though all the main features (the incursions themself) won't come out until January?

Exordium8
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.11.11 20:33:00 - [138]
 

Waiting until something is done and works right before releasing it?
WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH CCP!?

Rheige Bladewhisper
Posted - 2010.11.11 20:37:00 - [139]
 

But seriously, for the love of god, give us the Noctis this month.

Considering the way you're making incursions non-inclusive for rewards, thus making them rather horribly pointless for us unless we're in huge groups... I'd just rather have the Noctis as it's the only thing I'm excited for in the xpac. :P

Hrothgar Doran
Posted - 2010.11.11 20:55:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: Rheige Bladewhisper
Originally by: Hrothgar Doran
And that $26 million a year is being divided into developement on 3 different games, only one of which is bringing in said revenue. And consider that wow (making $258 million a year) has only released 2 expanions so far, soon to be 3.

I agree with you that CCP needs to tell us what specifically is causing the delay, but look at it this way. If CCP is taking the time to correct it's mistakes in past releases, and provide some long needed polish on certain elements of the game (tech two ammo, etc) then when it comes to to release incarna, they won't have to delay it in turn due to fixing bugs from the past three releases.

If they made a mistake, be happy they are correcting it sooner, rather than later. Or worse, never.


Here's the thing, though: We shouldn't be having money we spend on our game being sent off to making other ones and then used as an excuse. Trying to say that is just plain silly. As far as expansions go, WoW has had plenty of new-content releases that have added lots more to the game each time then CCP tends to with theirs.

Now, quibbling aside, I DO approve of this, CCP. Just remember that we're paying for EVE, not for your WoD game, if you'd please.

P.S. Give us the Noctis at the end of November. =/


Damn, good point. Although keep in mind, CCP are allowed to do what they will with their money. Most of the time...

Franga
NQX Innovations
Posted - 2010.11.11 20:56:00 - [141]
 

All good, I like the new approach. My only downer, more extended DTs during Aussie primetime. Sad Otherwise, it's all good.

Lyssa T'Kran
Posted - 2010.11.11 20:59:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: Hrothgar Doran
Originally by: Rheige Bladewhisper
Originally by: Hrothgar Doran
And that $26 million a year is being divided into developement on 3 different games, only one of which is bringing in said revenue. And consider that wow (making $258 million a year) has only released 2 expanions so far, soon to be 3.

I agree with you that CCP needs to tell us what specifically is causing the delay, but look at it this way. If CCP is taking the time to correct it's mistakes in past releases, and provide some long needed polish on certain elements of the game (tech two ammo, etc) then when it comes to to release incarna, they won't have to delay it in turn due to fixing bugs from the past three releases.

If they made a mistake, be happy they are correcting it sooner, rather than later. Or worse, never.


Here's the thing, though: We shouldn't be having money we spend on our game being sent off to making other ones and then used as an excuse. Trying to say that is just plain silly. As far as expansions go, WoW has had plenty of new-content releases that have added lots more to the game each time then CCP tends to with theirs.

Now, quibbling aside, I DO approve of this, CCP. Just remember that we're paying for EVE, not for your WoD game, if you'd please.

P.S. Give us the Noctis at the end of November. =/


Damn, good point. Although keep in mind, CCP are allowed to do what they will with their money. Most of the time...


could be worse, they could charge for their expansions like WoW does...

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2010.11.11 21:01:00 - [143]
 

Quote:
But CCP delivers Two EVE Online expansions a year! That is our Deliver commitment. However, we also have a commitment to make them Excellent.



WOOOOOOOOOOOOVery HappyVery HappyVery HappyVery Happy


thank you guys SO MUCH.

guys we've successfully avoided another PI expansion!
seriously though this is a smart move, I for one don't want to see somethign come out with almost 0 player testing, 0 polish, and lack of promised features, which then in turn is never patched or changed for "18 months"


(sorry couldn't help myself :P)

This has restored my hope in CCP : )


However... there was one thing I was going to resub for (no joke)
which was the new forums. whats the deal ccp, are the new forums just out completely?

Youli Kepain
Scapegoats
Posted - 2010.11.11 21:02:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
In this case, we've chosen to Deliver parts of the expansion in November and December, and the two key features in January with Excellence to respect both commitments.

I am Youli Kepain and I approve of this message.

Hrothgar Doran
Posted - 2010.11.11 21:03:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Lyssa T'Kran
Originally by: Hrothgar Doran
Originally by: Rheige Bladewhisper
Originally by: Hrothgar Doran
And that $26 million a year is being divided into developement on 3 different games, only one of which is bringing in said revenue. And consider that wow (making $258 million a year) has only released 2 expanions so far, soon to be 3.

I agree with you that CCP needs to tell us what specifically is causing the delay, but look at it this way. If CCP is taking the time to correct it's mistakes in past releases, and provide some long needed polish on certain elements of the game (tech two ammo, etc) then when it comes to to release incarna, they won't have to delay it in turn due to fixing bugs from the past three releases.

If they made a mistake, be happy they are correcting it sooner, rather than later. Or worse, never.


Here's the thing, though: We shouldn't be having money we spend on our game being sent off to making other ones and then used as an excuse. Trying to say that is just plain silly. As far as expansions go, WoW has had plenty of new-content releases that have added lots more to the game each time then CCP tends to with theirs.

Now, quibbling aside, I DO approve of this, CCP. Just remember that we're paying for EVE, not for your WoD game, if you'd please.

P.S. Give us the Noctis at the end of November. =/


Damn, good point. Although keep in mind, CCP are allowed to do what they will with their money. Most of the time...


could be worse, they could charge for their expansions like WoW does...


Personally I don't mind them working on other projects, but thats probably because I love the idea's of WoD and Dust Embarassed

Rheige Bladewhisper
Posted - 2010.11.11 21:06:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Hrothgar Doran
Personally I don't mind them working on other projects, but thats probably because I love the idea's of WoD and Dust Embarassed


I would mind the working on WoD a lot less if they didn't try and mask it with Incarna. They've already admitted that Incarna has, at best, barely any gameplay value aside from being able to walk around in ships. They've admitted that huge portions of the resources that are dedicated to EVE are dedicated to Incarna.

Of course, there is another game they are working on in which the technologies they are developing with Incarna would be utterly perfect... Meaning that 80 percent of EVE's resources are being spent on WoD ALONG with whatever else they are actively marking as spent on it.

Versuvius Marii
Posted - 2010.11.11 21:10:00 - [147]
 

So on 30th November, the new expansion goes live but doesn't go live? Seems to be a way of releasing something to keep people happy, yet not releasing everything in one go to prevent even more tears from the 0.0 and Jita community. If this keeps the whiny emo gits quiet, I'm all for it.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2010.11.11 21:10:00 - [148]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 11/11/2010 21:17:22
Originally by: Jack Gilligan
Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 11/11/2010 17:32:11
Unacceptable, CCP.

This amounts to a CANCELLATION of this expansion, with it's replacement with stuff that is mostly UI tweaks which will need God knows how many interim patches to fix.

Yes, we do want things released only when they are actually done right.

However, a 2+ months delay (really a cancellation of the Winter 2010 expansion) tells us that you aren't spending the proper resources on this game to meet both your commitment to giving us two major updates a year AND to do them right. The two are not mutually exclusive. Delays of days or even weeks to fix showstoppers found late in the process is fine, we're all for that. But it shouldn't be MONTHS, with major features vanishing on the cutting room floor.

This is no more acceptable an answer than rushing out junk like you did with Dominion and Tyrranus.

Seriously, CCP, this isn't a step forward. This just exposes how f'ed up your development and quality control models are and definite proof you haven't properly addressed either yet.



I love how you use the word "us" yet you're less than 1% of the popular opinion.

Quote:
They had two options: 1) We are going to delay release of Incursion. 2) We are going to delay release of Incursion, in order to make it more polished.


LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

those were their two choices? Man you must be new around here :P

Jaggins
Ixion Defence Systems
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.11.11 21:13:00 - [149]
 

Polishing the excellence is a good idea.

Ok, enough with the navel gazing, back to work space vikings!

Labourer
The Damned Legion
Posted - 2010.11.11 21:13:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: John Zorg
Fix the Hel bonus and fix the shield bonus issue. How many years are we still going to wait for these corrections?!?!?!?


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