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Mme Pinkerton
The pink win
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:01:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 11/11/2010 18:02:50
Originally by: Jack Gilligan
I'd feel a lot better about this if they announced that the delay was to rewrite the entire UI because they realized it needs it due to the debacle of the 1.1 series of "patches to fix patches".

In case you didn't notice - that debacle was the direct fallout from rewriting the entire UI.

Now that the work is done and the newly introduced bugs are successively getting squashed you want CCP to rewrite the UI again just for the lulz?

KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:06:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Vuk Lau
Delivering Excellence - definitely good move.


Technically, they aren't delivering anything. Any truth to be found in your statement will be determined when they actually deliver something "excellent."

How will such "execellence" be measured? We're on Tyrannis..what...1.6 now? If Incursion (in whatever form it takes) only gets to 1.5 before the next expansion, does that equal "excellence?"

I just think a lot of people are giving CCP a lot of credit before anything material is shown.

They had two options:

1) We are going to delay release of Incursion.
2) We are going to delay release of Incursion, in order to make it more polished.

I think I can see why they chose the latter. At least the PR machine is working at CCP.

KB

Norahb
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:07:00 - [93]
 

CCP you guys finally get it. Wait and release stuff when it works. This sounds like a really cool expansion and I am encouraged to hear that you are waiting to do it right rather than meet some time line and then release buggy crap that never gets fixed. One big thumbs up from me.

Draco Argen
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:08:00 - [94]
 

I really wish Eve was Open Source. Then we could sit Trolls down with a keyboard and let try to do better.
1 Troll, 2 boos, 4 or so Meh's and rest positive.

I think I might add The Noctis request. Generally CCP don't mess up new ships with the exception of balancing (Ok and T3 interactions and UI). So we'd be forgiven for thinking it could be squeezed into November Patch.

Also re-iterating a previous Question. Is PI changes coming too? They seemed relatively solid last Sisi.

Hrothgar Doran
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:10:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Jack Gilligan
Originally by: Komen
Chiming in with more cheers for CCP. The right move, despite some crybabies. I'd rather have the release late and working, than on time and broken. Dealt with too many of the latter, and too few of the former.


CCP has 300,000 subscribers. For $4.4 million a MONTH in revenue, CCP should be able to release two major updates a year that are both ON TIME and free of major flaws. That is over $26 million in revenue to develop each 6-month update.

If they can't (and today's announcement was a tantamount admission) they need new management.

I'd feel a lot better about this if they announced that the delay was to rewrite the entire UI because they realized it needs it due to the debacle of the 1.1 series of "patches to fix patches". Instead, this is a delay of an expansion that, in all honesty, doesn't have a whole lot in it. It has one new ship and one new system which is really nothing more than recycled sleeper/wormhole encounters roving "normal" space. Everything else (PI fixes) is nothing more than repairs to junk released in a previous expansion.

More information needed, CCP. We need to know, specifically, WHAT is causing the delay, and more importantly, WHEN you knew you'd have to delay it.




And that $26 million a year is being divided into developement on 3 different games, only one of which is bringing in said revenue. And consider that wow (making $258 million a year) has only released 2 expanions so far, soon to be 3.

I agree with you that CCP needs to tell us what specifically is causing the delay, but look at it this way. If CCP is taking the time to correct it's mistakes in past releases, and provide some long needed polish on certain elements of the game (tech two ammo, etc) then when it comes to to release incarna, they won't have to delay it in turn due to fixing bugs from the past three releases.

If they made a mistake, be happy they are correcting it sooner, rather than later. Or worse, never.

Warezmy Carr
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:12:00 - [96]
 

This was a good decision. Unfortunately, the delay also heightens expectations. I hope they don't let us down ... you know, like those big 'blockbuster' movies where the trailers showed all the good parts and when you went to see it the rest of the movie ended up being crap.

I foresee Incarna being delayed to Winter 2011.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:13:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Jack Gilligan
Originally by: Ifly Uwalk
Originally by: Jack Gilligan
Unacceptable, CCP.


You are an idiot.




Releasing bugged junk isn't acceptable.

Releasing stuff months late (if at all) because they are so far out of touch with reality in their development plan that they didn't plan or staff properly to get CLOSE to the planned release date: No more acceptable than releasing bugged junk to make a release date.

With Incursion now running into Incarna/DUST in terms of time frame, something will have to give. Hint: It won't be Incarna/DUST, which are inexorably linked and tied to another product CCP is going to make additional money on.


You sir are an idiot
You do not realize how a game company works or how software development works in general, and how people asked for the expansion to be in installments to keep whining and bugs to a minimum level. Because see, no matter how much testing you do, there is always bugs people seem to find that were never found before.

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:15:00 - [98]
 

What happened to T3s swapping subsystems in POS? Crying or Very sad

Tobin Shalim
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:18:00 - [99]
 

Noctis?

Paknac Queltel
Baden's Army
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:22:00 - [100]
 

WOOO! Finally, some excellence!

Originally by: Warezmy Carr
I foresee Incarna being delayed to Winter 2011.
Heh, we've been waiting for years, might as well wait a bit more. :P

Jim Luc
Caldari
Rule of Five
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:25:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Paknac Queltel
WOOO! Finally, some excellence!

Originally by: Warezmy Carr
I foresee Incarna being delayed to Winter 2011.
Heh, we've been waiting for years, might as well wait a bit more. :P


That's what I said last year.... Sad

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:27:00 - [102]
 

I saw this coming miles away.
The horror of 2 more months of PI-clickfest *sigh* Crying or Very sad

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:33:00 - [103]
 

I salute this decision. I know it took you a lot of courage to do something like this (postponing expansion to achieve excellence).

Khadann
Caldari
Sense of Serendipity
Echoes of Nowhere
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:35:00 - [104]
 

What about the incursion expension website and trailers + wallpapers as we get usually?
Sure the game is full priority, however, i can not wait to show my friends an other epic eve trailer!

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:36:00 - [105]
 

\o/ The 16th wasn't a good date anyway Laughing

Memorya
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:38:00 - [106]
 

Quote:
More polished, more excellent features. More frequent and smaller releases. Less risky and long deployments.


This sounds ok, some sort.

Lyssa T'Kran
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:44:00 - [107]
 

When will the elimination of the shadermodel 2 support happen? I would like to know so that I can be sure to get my upgraded video card by that time. I would hate to try to do the update and discover I cannot play for possibly 2 weeks while i order my new card.

Ogogov
Gallente
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:45:00 - [108]
 

Glad to hear CCP is listening to CSM and focusing on polishing this expansion - I'm very excited to see how it turns out :)



Tomcat
Gallente
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:53:00 - [109]
 

Underwhelming Sansha Supercarrier and expansion delays... I wonder how many times CCP will continue to say the world "Excellence" before they or us actually start to believe it.

Aeo IV
Amarr
Xomic OmniCorporation
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:55:00 - [110]
 

does this mean we'll be able to fight for Sansha's nation?

Sturmwolke
Posted - 2010.11.11 18:56:00 - [111]
 

A staggered release is an interesting fresh approach from CCP ... making Nov, Dec and Jan an interesting period for players.

It's good someone in CCP finally recognizes that the need for a reasonable polish for each expansion - which is not the beta state of gameplay. Another kudos to CSM for bashing it over their head till it bleeds. Nevertheless, I'm skeptical as always, but we'll see how this pans out fully in Jan.

Irumani
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:00:00 - [112]
 

We don't care about deadlines, we care about the game.

CCP, please take any time you want to finish features you wanna add into the game. We don't want another half-finished expansion like Dominion or Tyrannis.
But remember, we care about the game, meaning if you can postpone expansions and that's totally okay, please talk to us. Let us know what you're working on, and that you're doing good work on it.

tl;dr : moar devblogs & moar excellence = happy players.

Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:03:00 - [113]
 

BUT

BUT CCP

How about a Nightmare before Christmas?




*note
I am not sure who the original creator of that image is. I first saw it in the Live Events channel.
We Sansha dearly love it so.

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:04:00 - [114]
 

Good plan.

Is this series of patches going to still be called Incursion?

wizard87
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:05:00 - [115]
 



"We have a few options for contained changes we can put out in a beefy mini-expansion in November that may include (but are not limited to):

80 new story line courier missions
Rocket balancing
Tech 2 ammo balancing
Adding faction ships to the market
Fighter bomber missile visual effects changes
Anti-aliasing support
Window resizing, camera offset
Meta-item indicator icons
UI optimization to contract delivery filtering
Cargo can now be dragged to hangar by dropping on Neocom
Toggling probes in overview
POS gunners now receive notifications about control towers under attack
Sorting deliveries according to distance in jumps or regional locations
Unique icons for Microwarpdrives and Afterburners"

End Quote.

You're breaking your own rules CCP and failing to live up to your own high standards. That list is the most pathetic excuse for a delivery I've seen to date in this game. You employ more and more people at CCP only to release less and less each expansion.

Having started playing during Castor as my first and only MMO, I have watched Eve change from rapid improvement and large amounts of new content (like with Exodus and Red Moon Rising) initially; each subsequent release then generally got worse and worse in terms of quality, with less and less real content and with more and more hype each release.

I for one have seen enough now to believe the Eve I began playing and saw change and improve rapidly has become stagnant and relatively boring due to you at CCP failing to continue to improve the game at the same rate we were accustomed to. If this is what passes for an expansion nowadays then you should be ashamed compared to the greater/better content less people used to deliver. Or perhaps like Nathan said that you were "Over-delivering" with the early expansion, whatever it was that level of commitment to improving the game I feel is no longer there from you at CCP.

My subscription was already cancelled after last release, I've been playing with PLEX since, but seeing your plans for the next "release" I dont think its even worth continuing to spend my time playing Eve anymore. Other companies probably make games better than you do nowadays and Eve is just limping on in order for CCP to coin a bit more money for other new projects.

So thanks for the fun and goodbye.


Kushan
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:11:00 - [116]
 

Sounds really good! I for one am glad you are focusing on polishing features before releasing content. A portent of future releases? I sure hope so ;P

15k 53113r
Minmatar
World Domination Inc.
Universal Domination Inc
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:16:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: wizard87


My subscription was already cancelled after last release, I've been playing with PLEX since, but seeing your plans for the next "release" I dont think its even worth continuing to spend my time playing Eve anymore. Other companies probably make games better than you do nowadays and Eve is just limping on in order for CCP to coin a bit more money for other new projects.

So thanks for the fun and goodbye.





Can I have your stuff?

brutoid
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:16:00 - [118]
 

An expansion just for the sake of having one is not what was needed right now, so i applaud this move.

Can we get a word on PI?

Meldgaard
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:16:00 - [119]
 

I think this is one of the best think ccp has done in a while.
Its so good to see that they are more devoted to excellence the to have new contend on some abatray dates.
I have been hoping for a fine tuning expansion for a long time, and finally its here. \o/

Good job to ccp for taking a step in the right directions now we can only hope they are following it through.

Daenna Chrysi
Amarr
Omega Foundry Unit
Shadows Of Betrayal
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:16:00 - [120]
 

Edited by: Daenna Chrysi on 11/11/2010 19:27:59
*sneaks in to santa's place here in Finland and scouts the place out*

lets see... why I have a feeling the new PI stuff comes out in december?

but seriously, as I have been on SISI recently and seen the state where the incursion is so far, I see that they need time. I can say it is looking pretty cool already. So, what say you stop whining, come to SISI and help them test the stuff out, so they can get it properly polished and help them stick to their new time table.



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