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Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Concentrated Evil
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:00:00 - [61]
 

+1 Internetz to CCP!

And good job to the CSM as well.

Now about January - that's still like zomg 1 1/2 months away.
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FIX JANUARY! Twisted Evil


Stupid McStupidson
Gallente
Hoek Lyne and Sinker
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:01:00 - [62]
 

Hopefully this style is maintained. I think the idea of slavishly holding to the 2 expansions per year has hurt the game overall. Of course, the tinfoil hat club and the haters (who inexplicably stick around)would scream "SEE, CCP LIES".

Raivi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:03:00 - [63]
 

This is the best sign I have seen from CCP in months. I am very happy you guys have made this decision, keep up the good work.

Threshner
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:03:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Arthur Pewty
Happy to wait for a good product, but I would also like to know the fate of the Noctis.


Noctis really needs to come out in November. Allowing remapps from plexs are going to skyrocket their prices. This will really help income for the increase of GTC prices.

kano donn
New Path
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:04:00 - [65]
 

well... CCP. Please dont tell people a release date and then move that date.

still. this patch looks to be good.

i hope this does not modify the summer release date on WiS

Hrothgar Doran
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:12:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: kano donn
i hope this does not modify the summer release date on WiS


I hope it does, Incrana has to be the most polished release of any expansion. If CCP need to take a whole year to do that, it'd be better than having them release it on time with a millions of bugs.

John Zorg
Caldari
The Damned Legion
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:13:00 - [67]
 

Fix the Hel bonus and fix the shield bonus issue. How many years are we still going to wait for these corrections?!?!?!?

Camios
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:14:00 - [68]
 

Someone will complain (can I have your stuff?) but I am happy with this decision.

Releasing smaller and more frequent patches is probably the best thing to do. Maybe it's not a good marketing move, but I don't care about marketing. After all, marketing is a lie.


Well done, commit to excellence and keep on listening to the CSM and the players.


Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:16:00 - [69]
 

I'm actually glad to hear this. I was getting worried with people talking Nov 16th release date on the other forum threads and us not even having a full version on Sisi yet. Knowing that you have a couple months to finish it makes me a lot more confident that it'll be good when it does come out.

That said, you have to make sure it's worth it. If it's good, all will be forgiven. But if you screw us around again like Tyrannis did...well, we won't be very kind.

Hentes Zsemle
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:19:00 - [70]
 

You have done the right thing.
Now it's time to update the test server and let us see what you have in mind regarding the t2 ammo balance for example.

(actually im looking forward to have new things and changes in the game every ~3 weeks from now till incursion)

Rusty Waynne
Caldari
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:20:00 - [71]
 

This is great news!

Not only do we get goodies each month till January but the features they're adding are getting extra development time.

Despite my not having enthusiasm for Incursions, CCP has my full support on this decision to push back release.

Vuk Lau
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:25:00 - [72]
 

Delivering Excellence - definitely good move.

Vildrin
Entwi De Maila
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:26:00 - [73]
 

Good Stuff thanks for letting us know.

Would really like to see the Noctis and the Plex for Remapping in the first release. Looking forward to them both very much.

Missy Sasha
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:27:00 - [74]
 

If you're going to add faction ships to the market, why not add faction modules too? Faction ammo is already there anyway.

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:28:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 11/11/2010 17:32:11
Unacceptable, CCP.

This amounts to a CANCELLATION of this expansion, with it's replacement with stuff that is mostly UI tweaks which will need God knows how many interim patches to fix.

Yes, we do want things released only when they are actually done right.

However, a 2+ months delay (really a cancellation of the Winter 2010 expansion) tells us that you aren't spending the proper resources on this game to meet both your commitment to giving us two major updates a year AND to do them right. The two are not mutually exclusive. Delays of days or even weeks to fix showstoppers found late in the process is fine, we're all for that. But it shouldn't be MONTHS, with major features vanishing on the cutting room floor.

This is no more acceptable an answer than rushing out junk like you did with Dominion and Tyrranus.

Seriously, CCP, this isn't a step forward. This just exposes how f'ed up your development and quality control models are and definite proof you haven't properly addressed either yet.

Sinuwey
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:33:00 - [76]
 

As a product owner myself (in the day job) I applaud both CCP and the CSM making these type of hard choices, and communicating to the community.

Not wanting to intrude on someone elses' SCRUM & support programme, I do have to wonder if two mini-releases between now and Xmas, then the two biggie funtional areas (character changes and Incursion) early next year could be sustained from a stability perspective.

I'd rather live with a short delay for a revised Very Happy single mini-release with as much of the smaller stuff in scope on the backlog properly QA'd before Santa time. ( I'm kind of guessing QA focus has been on getting chunks of the big ticket items up into Singularity, but what do I know?)

Anyway keep up the good work, and keep the communication going

Dave D

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P.S. ok, now you've got me twitchy for access to CCP sprint demos again - "Get behind me Satan" <grin>



Elgaris Dukor
Caldari
Femti Runa Eru
ParadoXon Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:33:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Elgaris Dukor on 11/11/2010 17:40:22
Hello CCP,

thats the best choice you could do. Take your time. Release the content when its finished. If it takes a few months, it is so.
I totally support that decision.


Tergiminius
Binary Star
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:35:00 - [78]
 

So are we to get the new PI changes in the December patch or January cos the blog doesn't mention this in either the Nov 30th or Jan section ?

Komen
Gallente
Capital Enrichment Services
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:36:00 - [79]
 

Chiming in with more cheers for CCP. The right move, despite some crybabies. I'd rather have the release late and working, than on time and broken. Dealt with too many of the latter, and too few of the former.

Jack bubu
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:39:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Jack Gilligan
Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 11/11/2010 17:32:11
Unacceptable, CCP.

This amounts to a CANCELLATION of this expansion, with it's replacement with stuff that is mostly UI tweaks which will need God knows how many interim patches to fix.

Yes, we do want things released only when they are actually done right.

However, a 2+ months delay (really a cancellation of the Winter 2010 expansion) tells us that you aren't spending the proper resources on this game to meet both your commitment to giving us two major updates a year AND to do them right. The two are not mutually exclusive. Delays of days or even weeks to fix showstoppers found late in the process is fine, we're all for that. But it shouldn't be MONTHS, with major features vanishing on the cutting room floor.

This is no more acceptable an answer than rushing out junk like you did with Dominion and Tyrranus.

Seriously, CCP, this isn't a step forward. This just exposes how f'ed up your development and quality control models are and definite proof you haven't properly addressed either yet.



1/10

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:41:00 - [81]
 

Does this mean you're doing 3 Expansions next year? ;p

Or are you making it only 2 expansions a year again? -.-

Monkey M3n
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:41:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Monkey M3n on 11/11/2010 17:41:43
Sense we're going to be able to make new characters are we able to be a different sex is we so choose?

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:44:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Komen
Chiming in with more cheers for CCP. The right move, despite some crybabies. I'd rather have the release late and working, than on time and broken. Dealt with too many of the latter, and too few of the former.


CCP has 300,000 subscribers. For $4.4 million a MONTH in revenue, CCP should be able to release two major updates a year that are both ON TIME and free of major flaws. That is over $26 million in revenue to develop each 6-month update.

If they can't (and today's announcement was a tantamount admission) they need new management.

I'd feel a lot better about this if they announced that the delay was to rewrite the entire UI because they realized it needs it due to the debacle of the 1.1 series of "patches to fix patches". Instead, this is a delay of an expansion that, in all honesty, doesn't have a whole lot in it. It has one new ship and one new system which is really nothing more than recycled sleeper/wormhole encounters roving "normal" space. Everything else (PI fixes) is nothing more than repairs to junk released in a previous expansion.

More information needed, CCP. We need to know, specifically, WHAT is causing the delay, and more importantly, WHEN you knew you'd have to delay it.


Dariah Stardweller
Gallente
NO U111 Enterprises
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:44:00 - [84]
 

Need MOAR resources for EVE developmentCool

Having said that, I rather see it postponed than releasing it half arsed.

Nightvault
Pilots Without Borders
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:45:00 - [85]
 

While I'm glad to see this decision, could you possibly shed some light on the scheduling for the PI improvements? Which phase will contain those? Is that possibly the sekrit stuff in phase 2?

Illectroculus Defined
No Bull Ships
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:47:00 - [86]
 

I'm happy to hear that the commitment to Excellence is more important than the commitment to release dates. I daresay there are many of the longtime faithful who are going to be very happy with the contents of the mini expansion.

Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Concentrated Evil
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:49:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Jack Gilligan
Unacceptable, CCP.


You are an idiot.


Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:53:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Ifly Uwalk
Originally by: Jack Gilligan
Unacceptable, CCP.


You are an idiot.




Releasing bugged junk isn't acceptable.

Releasing stuff months late (if at all) because they are so far out of touch with reality in their development plan that they didn't plan or staff properly to get CLOSE to the planned release date: No more acceptable than releasing bugged junk to make a release date.

With Incursion now running into Incarna/DUST in terms of time frame, something will have to give. Hint: It won't be Incarna/DUST, which are inexorably linked and tied to another product CCP is going to make additional money on.

TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:56:00 - [89]
 

Full marks to CCP for putting Excellence into practice as well as committing to Deliver some of the fixes already completed. I am very happy that the reaction to this has been so positive in the main Smile

I would like to personally thank CCP Zulu for taking the Excellence discussion on board and hope CCP and CSM can continue to work towards this goal in the December summit and beyond.

Mme Pinkerton
The pink win
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:58:00 - [90]
 

+1 good decision on part of CCP

A decision that will result in less revenue for CCP for this quarter, in CCP employees having to spend christmas with a big TODO list on their mind, in some tough phone calls by Atari and unhappy faces in the marketing department, ... but a decision that hopefully will ultimately work out for the best of the game.


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