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Engalo
Gallente
AlphaCore
Posted - 2010.11.17 12:18:00 - [301]
 

Originally by: HeliosGal
let em delay it more they are putting all their limited resources into something useless


I agree. Scrap the whole winter expansion and give us a Kick ass Spring expansion instead.
Very Happy

Dalilus
Posted - 2010.11.17 17:14:00 - [302]
 

Edited by: Dalilus on 17/11/2010 17:48:19
Edited by: Dalilus on 17/11/2010 17:28:29
How about a lvl 4, quality 18 Federation Navy agent in HIGH SEC? How about fixing the Caldari Navy quality 18 agent in Motsu that gives out rewards like a quality 10 agent? How about when running missions in Motsu or its surrounding systems the dungeons be mostly 11au from the nearest station, gate, planet? How about turning back the clock on lvl 4 missions and returning to the good old days by letting Blood Raiders neut/nos like they used to, let rogue drones have their stasis and nos towers back, let all npc factions re-deploy their 1.5 million isk bounty bs again, and letting Angel Cartel members return to wreck havoc on unsuspecting mission runners by webbing/scrambling them? How about having players ask the agent that gave them a mission for help if they get in trouble? Said agent could send other mission runners in good standings to help, for a piece of the rewards of course.

Now that lowsec and null sec residents have had their ships, asteroid belts and npcs boosted how about showing some love for the almost 50% of playes that reside in high sec and dont have any plans on moving anywhere else? 80 storyline courier missions? Is that the best you can come up with? Courier missions? Whomever came up with that idea should be sent to Sansha for a mind wipe and immediate use as cannon fodder. I guess no one thought to add some spice to lvl 4 missions, or missions in general, by including hacking and analyzing the obvious sites present in most missions, or a bit of gas harvesting on the obvious gas clouds or sending the unwary to only God knows where when they approach too closely a spatial anomaly or just dropping an extra goodie for the stubborn that prod, probe, shoot, nudge, scan, salvage, tractor, analyze, hack, circle endlessly and ultimately yell at relics of some old bygone time.

Maybe as often as a Domination or Dread Gurista officers spawns in a lvl 4 mish something completely out of the ordinary happens, instead of spending hours killing 200 npcs to earn 14 million isk, a 14 million isk officer shows up, instead of only spawning veldspar and other common roids return to the days when juicy exotic roids infrequently spawned, and return some lvl 5 agents back to high sec. Carebears with over 40 million skill points eventually get bored of just aggroing the whole room and then sitting down to watch a movie while their drones clean their clocks. Confused

bcs1
Minmatar
River-Rats in space
Posted - 2010.11.17 17:34:00 - [303]
 

Originally by: Arthur Pewty
Happy to wait for a good product, but I would also like to know the fate of the Noctis. Is this non-combat ship hoped to be in the Precursor, 2nd step (Prep work) or 3rd (Character & Sansha)?


I'm hoping that they do it in the first release, after all, a new ship is nothing, just look at the primae's release....
aside from the BPO and book (which shouldn't be any issue at all) the ship should be next..
otherwise my corpies and I have put a ton of work and saving into nothing more than a huge delay and waste of time.

o/

bcs1
Minmatar
River-Rats in space
Posted - 2010.11.17 17:38:00 - [304]
 

Originally by: Dalilus
Edited by: Dalilus on 17/11/2010 17:28:29
How about a lvl 4, quality 18 Federation Navy agent in HIGH SEC? How about fixing the Caldari Navy quality 18 agent in Motsu that gives out rewards like a quality 10 agent? How about when running missions in Motsu or its surrounding systems the dungeons be mostly 11au from the nearest station, gate, planet? How about turning back the clock on lvl 4 missions and returning to the good old days by letting Blood Raiders neut/nos like they used to, let rogue drones have their stasis and nos towers back, let all npc factions re-deploy their 1.5 million isk bounty bs again, and letting Angel Cartel members return to wreck havoc on unsuspecting mission runners by webbing/scrambling them? How about having players ask the agent that gave them a mission for help if they get in trouble? Said agent could send other mission runners in good standings to help, for a piece of the rewards of course.

Now that lowsec and null sec residents have had their ships, asteroid belts and npcs boosted how about showing some love for the almost 50% of playes that reside in high sec and dont have any plans on moving anywhere else? 80 storyline courier missions? Is that the best you can come up with? Courier missions? Whomever came up with that idea should be sent to Sansha for a mind wipe and immediate use as cannon fodder. I guess no one thought to add some spice to lvl 4 missions, or missions in general, by including hacking and analyzing the obvious sites present in most missions, or a bit of gas harvesting on the obvious gas clouds or sending the unwary to only God knows where when they approach too closely a spatial anomaly or just dropping an extra goodie for the stubborn that prod, probe, shoot, nudge, scan, salvage, tractor, analyze, hack, circle endlessly and ultimately yell at relics of some old bygone time.



*stands and gives a round of applause.....

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.11.17 21:29:00 - [305]
 

I applaud this. I'd rather see the new content delayed until it's rock-solid and polished (ie: done), but in the meantime, we'll still be getting lots of improvements that we've been waiting years for (antialiasing(\o/), better keyboard shortcuts(\o/ \o/ \o/), moveable camera center, etc).

Hell, I'd probably call it the best expansion ever if it was just anti-aliasing and the new keyboard shortcut system. I think the new shortcuts will add to my enjoyment of EVE more than any other single change thus far.

Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
Posted - 2010.11.17 21:44:00 - [306]
 

Originally by: Dalilus
How about a lvl 4, quality 18 Federation Navy agent in HIGH SEC?
How about fixing the Caldari Navy quality 18 agent in Motsu that gives out rewards like a quality 10 agent?


/agree

The reward difference those two agents it's absolutly insane.
That doesn't means that CCP must nerf Caldari agent, only that Gallente one must be fixed at the same lvl of reward LP/ISK.

Hope some lvl5 to in high sec or ok for low sec but in dead areas that you can't probe. Pirates with 2gr of brains already have occasions to blow PVE FIT ships when they get in to those systems.

Thathanka
Posted - 2010.11.17 23:57:00 - [307]
 

As your average player, my experience of the expansion is this:

Expansion Winter 2010 - Rockets are getting balanced
Expansion Spring 2011 - There will be an awesome new character creator

Nothing else is really very interesting, and to call this an expansion is pretty damn lame. I love CCP and appreciate all their hard work but is this really all they could think to focus on? Essentially, there is no reason for anyone who has let their account lapse to reactivate it. Courier missions? A Sansha invasion? Not very interesting, is it?

Astenion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2010.11.18 02:56:00 - [308]
 

Edited by: Astenion on 18/11/2010 02:57:14
Originally by: Dalilus
Edited by: Dalilus on 17/11/2010 17:48:19
Edited by: Dalilus on 17/11/2010 17:28:29
How about a lvl 4, quality 18 Federation Navy agent in HIGH SEC?


Auvergne, a single jump from Dodixie, in 0.9 space at the Fed Intel station there's a lvl 4 +18 Intelligence Agent whose storyline missions send you to speak to the lvl 4 Fed Navy agent in Dodixie. Every mission is a kill mission.

Selene D'Celeste
Caldari
The D'Celeste Trading Company
ISK Six
Posted - 2010.11.18 03:41:00 - [309]
 

Very happy to hear that quality > speed. Props.

Shawshanke
Posted - 2010.11.18 03:55:00 - [310]
 

80 new story line courier missions....

Either you guys are joking or you really do sit around in meetings saying "sounds like these ideas will be fun for the players but how can we make this game more annoying for them?"

The only thing that would be better than this would be "we found 80 new ways to add load screens/cool downs".

Snaketzu
Gallente
M. Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2010.11.18 04:27:00 - [311]
 

I applaud the idea of delivering content when it is ready, as opposed to the "fix it later" attitude.

On the other hand, this should not be accepted as gloss over the fact that the delivery date that was discussed merely weeks ago has obviously been missed. It was said CCP got tons of "great" feedback from Sisi, it must not have been very good or that content wouldn't have needed 60 days of reworking. As was mentioned earlier, the things that were mentioned for Nov 30 are no more than an overgrown patch, some icon and database changes. 80 new courier missions is loltastic if that's to be considered new content. No mention of the Noctis or the PI fixes. I assume those are some of the things that Santa is bringing.

So the message I get is that the new content was a disaster and needs major reworking and the keyboard shortcut changes simply aren't ready, in the meantime I'll get thrown a few bones every few weeks or so. From a gaming perspective, not having it until it's right is a no-brainer. From a customer perspective, however, don't make promises and then don't deliver.

Not delivering until it's ready = good.
Ready and on time = better.

Zyress
Posted - 2010.11.18 19:52:00 - [312]
 

Originally by: Dalilus
Edited by: Dalilus on 17/11/2010 17:48:19
Edited by: Dalilus on 17/11/2010 17:28:29
How about a lvl 4, quality 18 Federation Navy agent in HIGH SEC? How about fixing the Caldari Navy quality 18 agent in Motsu that gives out rewards like a quality 10 agent? How about when running missions in Motsu or its surrounding systems the dungeons be mostly 11au from the nearest station, gate, planet? How about turning back the clock on lvl 4 missions and returning to the good old days by letting Blood Raiders neut/nos like they used to, let rogue drones have their stasis and nos towers back, let all npc factions re-deploy their 1.5 million isk bounty bs again, and letting Angel Cartel members return to wreck havoc on unsuspecting mission runners by webbing/scrambling them? How about having players ask the agent that gave them a mission for help if they get in trouble? Said agent could send other mission runners in good standings to help, for a piece of the rewards of course.

Now that lowsec and null sec residents have had their ships, asteroid belts and npcs boosted how about showing some love for the almost 50% of playes that reside in high sec and dont have any plans on moving anywhere else? 80 storyline courier missions? Is that the best you can come up with? Courier missions? Whomever came up with that idea should be sent to Sansha for a mind wipe and immediate use as cannon fodder. I guess no one thought to add some spice to lvl 4 missions, or missions in general, by including hacking and analyzing the obvious sites present in most missions, or a bit of gas harvesting on the obvious gas clouds or sending the unwary to only God knows where when they approach too closely a spatial anomaly or just dropping an extra goodie for the stubborn that prod, probe, shoot, nudge, scan, salvage, tractor, analyze, hack, circle endlessly and ultimately yell at relics of some old bygone time.

Maybe as often as a Domination or Dread Gurista officers spawns in a lvl 4 mish something completely out of the ordinary happens, instead of spending hours killing 200 npcs to earn 14 million isk, a 14 million isk officer shows up, instead of only spawning veldspar and other common roids return to the days when juicy exotic roids infrequently spawned, and return some lvl 5 agents back to high sec. Carebears with over 40 million skill points eventually get bored of just aggroing the whole room and then sitting down to watch a movie while their drones clean their clocks. Confused


Here here, well said sir!!!

zandayus
Posted - 2010.11.19 01:50:00 - [313]
 

so it is going to take 3 months to put into place one minor expansion known as Incursion.with Incarna walking on station will not be all that it can be when released 2012.one major expansion a year is a reality that has to be from now on.no PR can deter reality.but then blessed are they who expect nothing.for they shall not be disappionted........

Shurikane
Posted - 2010.11.19 12:02:00 - [314]
 

Totally off-topic question.

Seeing as I saw mostly standard hairdoes in the videos, are there any plans to include headwear and/or wilder hairstyles? The blown-back 'fireball' one comes to mind for obvious reasons. Smile

The Redman
Posted - 2010.11.19 21:26:00 - [315]
 

Edited by: The Redman on 19/11/2010 21:35:37
Edited by: The Redman on 19/11/2010 21:32:31
Edited by: The Redman on 19/11/2010 21:30:33
Glad CCP is looking closer at quality releases and fixes but from someone that has played a few years now I am still getting bored with the game. Having trouble finding fun things to do in game and now I don't see anything happening in the new releases worth jumping back in for till maybe January...

So happy for CCP and those still addicted to EVE, but sounds like I better keep the level 5 skills lined up and check back in January...

BTW, 1 expansion a year really works best for those players that are currently addicted and play eve every spare minute they have. For those who are slowly losing interest, 1 expansion per year would probably cause many accounts to go inactive and get canceled.

Last point: Why for the love of all that is holy can CCP not set up buttons to launch, attack, orbit & recall drones???

Lawan Jovana
Posted - 2010.11.20 00:01:00 - [316]
 

Quote:
Now that lowsec and null sec residents have had their ships, asteroid belts and npcs boosted how about showing some love for the almost 50% of playes that reside in high sec and dont have any plans on moving anywhere else? 80 storyline courier missions? Is that the best you can come up with? Courier missions? Whomever came up with that idea should be sent to Sansha for a mind wipe and immediate use as cannon fodder. I guess no one thought to add some spice to lvl 4 missions, or missions in general, by including hacking and analyzing the obvious sites present in most missions, or a bit of gas harvesting on the obvious gas clouds or sending the unwary to only God knows where when they approach too closely a spatial anomaly or just dropping an extra goodie for the stubborn that prod, probe, shoot, nudge, scan, salvage, tractor, analyze, hack, circle endlessly and ultimately yell at relics of some old bygone time.


This!

Plus how about adding some reward for WH exploration for deep space exploration - extinct civilization relics or similar? Maybe via a specialised scan on P.I. ?

Alternate AFK
Posted - 2010.11.20 05:10:00 - [317]
 

Edited by: Alternate AFK on 20/11/2010 05:10:58
Quote:
CCP Zulu
We have a few options for contained changes we can put out in a beefy mini-expansion in November that may include (but are not limited to):

* 80 new story line courier missions
* Rocket balancing
* Tech 2 ammo balancing
* Adding faction ships to the market
* Fighter bomber missile visual effects changes
* Anti-aliasing support
* Window resizing, camera offset
* Meta-item indicator icons
* UI optimization to contract delivery filtering
* Cargo can now be dragged to hangar by dropping on Neocom
* Toggling probes in overview
* POS gunners now receive notifications about control towers under attack
* Sorting deliveries according to distance in jumps or regional locations
* Unique icons for Microwarpdrives and Afterburners



I don't see the new salvaging ship or training book in that list...
No chance of early release of the ship?


Nicole Louise
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.20 07:07:00 - [318]
 

NOCTIS??

I like the decision to wait as well. Some great points posted here though.

I agree with the Mission updates, when will there be some new missions?

When is the NOCTIS coming? Confused

UNKNOWN DUDE
Posted - 2010.11.20 14:00:00 - [319]
 

Who cares about new content? I want my stack of snowballs NOW!!

Arduinol
Posted - 2010.11.21 04:56:00 - [320]
 

Mmmm.. Snowballs!

Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
Posted - 2010.11.21 13:58:00 - [321]
 

Edited by: Joss56 on 21/11/2010 14:20:16
Beter give me "Tomatoe louncher" anti-scam weapon.

"Anti Scam Tomatoes Louncher"

Illimited ammo
1Sec rate of fire
Illimited distance

Effects on targeted scammer

1st effect on target - can't dock for 30min -if you're already docked the owner of the stations throws you out on your pod.

2nd effect on target - affected ship "stincks", mobs will warp out and flood you with insults

3rd effet on target - you can't jump, if you try concord kicks you out at 0.4

Player louncher warnings

Lounching "tomatoes" on someone else than the scamer gives you 100% chance you'll get all side effects immediatly.

Due to natural sensibility of tomatoes it's possible that you'll be the victim of your own assault (15%)

After use, your ship is unable to move on or do anything else for 5min (cumulative)

Laughing

Orephia
Posted - 2010.11.21 14:57:00 - [322]
 

Originally by: CCP Zulu
80 new story line courier missions
All in lowsec, amirite?

After grinding thru 16 lvl 4s, then getting the 40,000m3 courier storyline 5 jumps thru lowsec into a faction warfare system with 18 podkills in the last hour, all any pilot can imagine is how awesome it would be if only there were 80 more chances to decline the standings loss. Rolling Eyes

The wiki Missions_guide shows Internal Security agents giving 98.37% kill & 1.51% courier, yet an Internal Security storyline agent will give ~ 90% courier storylines.

Lowseks aside, more encounter storylines are needed, not couriers. Courier missions are for bots anyway. What are you thinking/drinking??

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.11.21 15:12:00 - [323]
 

Well, I like this new approach of CCP having a Commitment to Excellence.

I hope this next expansion is well worth the wait and doesn't end up being a Bomb.


By the way CCP, I think you should take a look at this new Forum Tool.

Lion Around
Posted - 2010.11.21 18:58:00 - [324]
 

Did I read that right? EIGHTY new COURIER missions? Jesus H. Christ. That is like the ultimate INSULT to players who like mission running. I HATE COURIER MISSIONS. This is NOT an improvement, and I will not hide my complete, utter, ANNOYANCE and displeasure to include MORE of the same annoying courier missions that do NOTHING but waste time.

CCP, you suck. Adding more annoying missions just to **** off your player base is UNACCEPTABLE. I absolutely, positively, DESPISE the CCP team responsible for the decisions to add 80 freaking courier missions. Seriously? CCP SUCKS.

I was looking forward to the Incursion expansion, but if this is ALL I have to look forward to as a person who lives in High Security systems, I'm already considering quitting Eve.

LostChylde
Minmatar
Debitum Naturae
Drop the Hammer
Posted - 2010.11.22 00:46:00 - [325]
 

Quote:
I was looking forward to the Incursion expansion, but if this is ALL I have to look forward to as a person who lives in High Security systems, I'm already considering quitting Eve.


Well, can i have your stuff?......seriously why are you doing mission in high sec??? go out and have some fun.

Sixtina KL
The Shoop Group
Posted - 2010.11.22 12:12:00 - [326]
 

Edited by: Sixtina KL on 22/11/2010 12:11:54
Originally by: Lion Around
CCP, you suck. Adding more annoying missions just to **** off your player base is UNACCEPTABLE. I absolutely, positively, DESPISE the CCP team responsible for the decisions to add 80 freaking courier missions. Seriously? CCP SUCKS.


Don't let the door hit the 12-accounts-you-have-since-the-closed-alpha-release on your way out. Very Happy

Lion Around
Posted - 2010.11.22 19:15:00 - [327]
 

Quote:
Well, can i have your stuff?......seriously why are you doing mission in high sec??? go out and have some fun.


I was denied entry to a number of pvp corps because of my hearing impairment. The 0.0 alliance I joined accused me being a spy simply because they didn't believe that I AM deaf. Apparently, claiming one is deaf is common spy tactic. So far from what I've seen, there are NO INCENTIVES to move out of high sec. No one will trust a deaf man in a fleet with anything bigger than a frigate. The one ******* who claimed he trains "carebears into killers" told me "Stick to mining. That's all your good for." Exact quote, no exaggeration. So you know what? Screw you. I'll play the game how I want.

Eridal
The Minutemen
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2010.11.23 14:20:00 - [328]
 

Originally by: The Redman
Last point: Why for the love of all that is holy can CCP not set up buttons to launch, attack, orbit & recall drones???


All of those exist just not set by default with the exception of launch drones I use them all the time. Next time actually look at the shortcuts before saying they don't exist :P

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.11.23 14:59:00 - [329]
 

Originally by: Lion Around
Quote:
Well, can i have your stuff?......seriously why are you doing mission in high sec??? go out and have some fun.


I was denied entry to a number of pvp corps because of my hearing impairment. The 0.0 alliance I joined accused me being a spy simply because they didn't believe that I AM deaf. Apparently, claiming one is deaf is common spy tactic. So far from what I've seen, there are NO INCENTIVES to move out of high sec. No one will trust a deaf man in a fleet with anything bigger than a frigate. The one ******* who claimed he trains "carebears into killers" told me "Stick to mining. That's all your good for." Exact quote, no exaggeration. So you know what? Screw you. I'll play the game how I want.


I haven't spoken on comms since, hmmm, early 2008. No disability, I just dont like to.

Jane Griffin
Posted - 2010.11.24 00:07:00 - [330]
 

Originally by: Eridal
Originally by: The Redman
Last point: Why for the love of all that is holy can CCP not set up buttons to launch, attack, orbit & recall drones???


All of those exist just not set by default with the exception of launch drones I use them all the time. Next time actually look at the shortcuts before saying they don't exist :P


The button doesnt go active when you select a group, rather you have to SHIFT SELECT the drones you want to perform the action to, making the button actually slower than right clicking a group of drones and launching from menu...


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