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Ceist Mashal
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:00:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: Luke S
Quote:
Incursions are full war assaults, treat them as such.


Damn their goes my 1 man 3 account fleet idea.


So you're telling me you didn't treat fighting sleepers as PvP encounters? Wow, some schooling is what you need.

Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:00:00 - [182]
 

Incursion into stations for us ship spinning failboats, please. Very Happy

Linda Flamewalker
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:05:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Originally by: Concerned Capsuleers
Why can't we just be left alone?!


Because part of this is about Sansha's next target.

Meaning, it's you.

You're the next target.


Yeah forcing people to abandon missions, fleet up with someone you dont know to get ganked.. yeah i see that turning out well... where is that instant dock up and log out button again? what.. anyone wanting to quote me and go "you mad?!" or "harden up".. mm sure go ahead :) dont see the point of risking a miltu milion ship for what 25 mill? yeah not going to happen.

Dark Drifter
Amarr
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:06:00 - [184]
 

. . . im totaly ecited by all this EPIX content (with reguard to killing the stragler in low/null sec.

i think the way concord rewards the players for compleating sites needs to be looked at.

i propse that the sansha rats drop special sansha tags (like she sleepers drops) and maby some new salvage.

it just seems to be stacked against the improvised fleets, (any majure aliance can easily flood an encounter site)


Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:06:00 - [185]
 

One thing that isn't made quite clear: will there be Sansha gate rats in hi-sec? And what about around stations? I can see how a Sansha Supercarrier camping the Jita 4-4 undock might make for what the Chinese call "interesting times".

Also, can you confirm that Incursions will spawn over downtime, so that players can confirm that an autopilot route is safe, without fear that the Sanshas will appear halfway through that 36 system freighter run.

Ceist Mashal
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:15:00 - [186]
 

Edited by: Ceist Mashal on 10/11/2010 22:15:04
Originally by: Linda Flamewalker
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Originally by: Concerned Capsuleers
Why can't we just be left alone?!


Because part of this is about Sansha's next target.

Meaning, it's you.

You're the next target.


Yeah forcing people to abandon missions, fleet up with someone you dont know to get ganked.. yeah i see that turning out well... where is that instant dock up and log out button again? what.. anyone wanting to quote me and go "you mad?!" or "harden up".. mm sure go ahead :) dont see the point of risking a miltu milion ship for what 25 mill? yeah not going to happen.


25million isk and 6k LP for Concord!!!!! I've been hoping for LP gain for concord to be applied to DEDs for ages and now they are awaiting me in incursion.

Dlardrageth
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:15:00 - [187]
 

Sounds pretty terrible all-in-all unless you are deeply into PvE. Nice forcing this stuff on the PvPers now, CCP, keep up the good work!Rolling Eyes Making PvP more unattractive one step at a time, right? Guess I will spend even more time in WoT than before... Laughing

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:16:00 - [188]
 

Originally by: dannyBOy16437
Originally by: Sertan Deras
Edited by: Sertan Deras on 10/11/2010 16:01:00
CCP: Forcing players to deal with NPC incursions they couldn't care less about (because we have real players to fight, you see) in space they pay for.



Firstly people whine that CCP forces them into PvP situations.

Now people are wining about being forced into PvE situations.

Make your mind up.

Rolling Eyes



This is exacttly why this is NOT "world of evecraft"

It's a whole new type of froced PvE that is very eve.

I was wondering how they would do it since they ****ed up factional warfare missions so bad. Actully factional warfare missions promised PvP too but that never happened... I hope this expansion works! the idea sounds great.

This is like WOW if WOW made raid happen in non-pvp zones where suddenly everyone is level 10 starts getting ganked by npcs and everyone is dying and rage quiting, and all the roads are camped with level 60s in the areas with level 5 missions :P

I love it so much.



SPEAKING OF WHICH!

Will all gates be camped? even in highsec? Can we get some NPC bubbles on those gates too please? PLEASE. I'm worried that the new NPCs will only show up where NPCs unused to be. I really hope they show up even on gates that normally have no NPCs. Traveling through incursion space should be like traveling through Ammar space when your in the minmatar militia. Meaning you can make it through, but the treat is very VERY visualizeable.

kano donn
New Path
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:17:00 - [189]
 

oh dear god!

CPP <3 <3 <3

egegergergsdgedgege
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:22:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Originally by: Concerned Capsuleers
Why can't we just be left alone?!


Because part of this is about Sansha's next target.

Meaning, it's you.

You're the next target.


Why do we need those stupid scripted events in a player driven sandbox mmo?!? I really dont get it. Is it really the new plan of CCP to convert eve into a theme park mmo?

I do not understand the logic of CCP. On the one hand you try to make the players independant of NPCs (e.g. pos fuel production since last expansion) but on the other hand you are adding more and more NPC dependant contant.

Why do we need invasions of rather stupid NPCs when we already hhave epic wars between player driven organisations?

This whole incursion thing fits into eve like a laser gun into the wild west movie.

Matalino
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:22:00 - [191]
 

Edited by: Matalino on 10/11/2010 22:26:22
Originally by: gfldex
noob 1: can I fleet with you to take on the sansha?
pirate 2: Don't forget to fit Tech2 gear, or faction if you don't have the skills.
pirate 1: ofc honey, just warp to me, we are in the site already
noob 1: OMGWTFWHEREAREYOUALLTHEMSASHAARESHOOTINGMEMYCAPISGONEICANNOTGETATARGETLOCKANDICANNOTWARPOUT
pirate 1: *chuckle*
pirate 2: *chuckle*
pirate 3: *chuckle*
noob 1: *BEEP*YOU! <endless_rant_in_local_for_the_next_10_minutes/>
This is exactly why incursion will not work for casual groups, even in high sec. You need to trust those that you fly with when your ship is on the line.

The incursion rats scram, jam, web and neut. I expect many tears from those who join up with unknown fleets.

Nuxim
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:22:00 - [192]
 

Judging by the amount of complaining, it seems CCP is going to be successful in shaking up Eve!

Incursions look awesome, personally I can't wait for my mission hub to be attacked!!!

What the hell is wrong with you people who don't like this?

Master Akira
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:27:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Originally by: Concerned Capsuleers
Why can't we just be left alone?!


Because part of this is about Sansha's next target.

Meaning, it's you.

You're the next target.



Hahaha awesome. Only CCP could **** off "elite peeveepeers" and mindless mission runners in a single move.

I'm liking this more and more <3

Mr LaForge
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:28:00 - [194]
 

Can CCP confirm the maximum armor/shield resistance reductions and also the maximum damage reductions for weapons?

Lord Saradomin
Gallente
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:32:00 - [195]
 

Forcing someone to do something about the "threat" due to system wide effects.

Very sandbox...Rolling Eyes

wert668
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:34:00 - [196]
 

We'll see Rolling Eyes

Seriously Bored
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:37:00 - [197]
 

Originally by: egegergergsdgedgege

Why do we need invasions of rather stupid NPCs when we already hhave epic wars between player driven organisations?


Because they're trying to bring the epic nature of those to people who don't get the chance to experience them. In an interesting, violent, EVE-like way. I totally give kudos to CCP for being willing to use negative reinforcement to awesome effects. They have balls, and I hope it pays off.

As for the positive reinforcement end of it: did everyone gloss over the fact that you can get named capital modules with that CONCORD LP? Once the general populace wises up to the rewards, they'll be clamoring to get in on this.

Quote:
This whole incursion thing fits into eve like a laser gun into the wild west movie.


Knights of Cydonia. Lasers in a wild west movie (music video, technically). It's goddamn awesome.


(On a side note: I always felt this Incursion thing should have been with Sleepers. They were built up as this scary alien race, and yet we're the invaders in all Wormhole scenarios. Really, Sleepers are as intimidating as the Pacifists of the Gandhi Nebula.)

Prometheus09
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:38:00 - [198]
 

Quote:
As such you will face NPC equivalent of logistics, stealth bombers, remote spider-repairing battleships, interceptors, command ships, EW platforms, and more.


So we can expect cloaking NPC and bombing runs?

Dmoney3788
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:39:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: Linda Flamewalker
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Originally by: Concerned Capsuleers
Why can't we just be left alone?!


Because part of this is about Sansha's next target.

Meaning, it's you.

You're the next target.


Yeah forcing people to abandon missions, fleet up with someone you dont know to get ganked.. yeah i see that turning out well... where is that instant dock up and log out button again? what.. anyone wanting to quote me and go "you mad?!" or "harden up".. mm sure go ahead :) dont see the point of risking a miltu milion ship for what 25 mill? yeah not going to happen.

If someone ganks you in your hisec mission hub they get concorded.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:40:00 - [200]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 10/11/2010 22:46:30
Originally by: Lord Saradomin
Forcing someone to do something about the "threat" due to system wide effects.

Very sandbox...Rolling Eyes


yes, yes it is very sandbox.


someone just took a dump in your corner of the sandbox, do something about or move to another spot.

AKA punch of the **** out of him


Shaalira D'arc
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:45:00 - [201]
 

Highly disruptive non-player-character activities that sprawl across the map and fundamentally affect the battlespace?

Nice Very Happy

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:45:00 - [202]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 10/11/2010 22:46:11
hey wait, those new NPCs will be spider tanking and such?

Will senor dampeners finally work on these NPCs? So that we can break the spider tank? or tracking disruptors? Or any of the other alliance tourney type tactics we see?

because I've been gone for a while but I remember a lot of mods not working on NPCs.


Another question. will the number of systems grow like an infection if not cleared up giving incentive to nearby systems to help out too? please say they will or everyone will just clear out. wouldn't it be awesome if incursions grew?

Dmoney3788
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:47:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: CCP Ytterbium

Sansha supercarrier: we need to apologize for the miscommunication about this ship class name, which created some confusion here. The ship players will be able to build from the blueprint copy is a faction version of a regular supercarrier, not a new ship class.

Whats the ETA on releasing detailed stats on this sansha supercarrier, and these named capital mods mentioned?

TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:48:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: Seriously Bored
did everyone gloss over the fact that you can get named capital modules with that CONCORD LP? Once the general populace wises up to the rewards, they'll be clamoring to get in on this.

If the rewards are so great and the sites so much fun then why the need for system wide penalties to "encourage" people to take part Wink

Also with the current state of supercapital proliferation the two things Eve didn't need are a faction supercarrier and named/faction capital mods to fit it out with...


I lost what remained of my faith in CCP when they started looking at facebook games and warcraft for inspiration (hey guys, the fact that people think this looks a bit like Wow isn't actually a complement. No matter what certain people in management think the majority of Eve players are here because Eve is not Wow!).

I liked it when CCP actually dared to be different instead of trying to replace the sand with concrete.

Matalino
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:48:00 - [205]
 

Originally by: Dmoney3788
If someone ganks you in your hisec mission hub they get concorded.
But if they let the sansha's do it, they can loot his wreck, kick the noob from the fleet, and collect the reward from CONCORD for a job well done.

Kronossan
Bellum Esca
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:52:00 - [206]
 

..................................... seriously?

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:54:00 - [207]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
Another question. will the number of systems grow like an infection if not cleared up giving incentive to nearby systems to help out too? please say they will or everyone will just clear out. wouldn't it be awesome if incursions grew?

Unfortunately not, would have been spectacular for macro controlled 0.0 space if it did.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:55:00 - [208]
 

Originally by: Matalino
Edited by: Matalino on 10/11/2010 22:26:22
Originally by: gfldex
noob 1: can I fleet with you to take on the sansha?
pirate 2: Don't forget to fit Tech2 gear, or faction if you don't have the skills.
pirate 1: ofc honey, just warp to me, we are in the site already
noob 1: OMGWTFWHEREAREYOUALLTHEMSASHAARESHOOTINGMEMYCAPISGONEICANNOTGETATARGETLOCKANDICANNOTWARPOUT
pirate 1: *chuckle*
pirate 2: *chuckle*
pirate 3: *chuckle*
noob 1: *BEEP*YOU! <endless_rant_in_local_for_the_next_10_minutes/>
This is exactly why incursion will not work for casual groups, even in high sec. You need to trust those that you fly with when your ship is on the line.

The incursion rats scram, jam, web and neut. I expect many tears from those who join up with unknown fleets.


I think you (and apparently many others) are forgetting that if someone in your gang shoots you in high sec, they get Concorded.

Quote:
Forcing someone to do something about the "threat" due to system wide effects.

Very sandbox...


You mean like the ones that have been in effect in wormholes since day one? The same effects that people say are the best and most challenging thing about fighting there?

Those effects dictate what ships you use and how you fit them, how you use them, whether it be for PVP or PVE. The Sansha system effects force you to decide if you want to participate, sit it out, continue as normal with greater challange and less reward, or move on to another area. If thats too much for you to handle, it won't be this expansions issue... it will be yours.

King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:56:00 - [209]
 

I see a 27 sided fight in a low sec system near me followed shortly by a node crash. This could be interesting from both a pvp and pve perspective but I hope CCP has committed to keeping the servers running. The low sec only side of the SC BPC will very likely result in some very large fights in systems given few server resources.

Linda Flamewalker
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:59:00 - [210]
 

Originally by: Dmoney3788
If someone ganks you in your hisec mission hub they get concorded.


oh i know. but that wont make me any happier having lost more then them now does it? *chuckles*

though.. i do wonder.. what kind of time frame do we have from the warning?

Think about the times you just enter a harder pocket with scramblers.. OR when out lugging the old charon around.. not like i can just haul that around on a dime when i see a sansha gatecamp.

But ok.. after a cup of coffee.. is there nothign this brew cant cure? i do feel more optimistic about the invasion but if we get like "sansha incomming NOW..." and bam my tank is halved and my dps halved (or so) when i am warpscrambled, webbed in WC.. that wont make me a happy sexual harrasment panda. But if i get like 30 seconds.. fine :) if i cant kill em in 30 seconds i shouldnt be there.

*cracks knuckles* guess i can get some cheap tempests or something.. *grins*

bring it sansha!!!! :)


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