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Kazzzi
Amarr
Heathen Legion
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.11.09 22:52:00 - [91]
 

War over platinum moons? Lol. You can find similar moons just about anywhere. Personally I wouldn't waste my time on them. Ratokus just wants to break some Ammatar's toys.

Plus, hey, RE-AL started the conflict. Not that I'm complaining. Their leadership just felt threatened by our presence. But the fact is, we would be on campaign far away from them by now if they didn't get a giant hair up their butt.

Regardless, there are many threats to the freedom of the common people, we will continue to stand in defiance to them all.

Altaen
Lutinari Syndicate
Electus Matari
Posted - 2010.11.10 03:32:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: Altaen on 10/11/2010 03:39:17
Originally by: Borza Slavak
Originally by: Furb Killer

Anyway, am i wrong with the following summary of events:
UK decide to move to GW, announce it to everyone who wants to know, they just forget to inform the current inhabitants. These are NRDS, but got UK KOS (know that as a fact). They are nice enough to reset you, so peaceful cooperation is possible. You proceed to attack their friends and help their enemies, and you are surprised they set you back to KOS after you betrayed their trust? Quickly followed about a message that your goal is to take their moons.


We were in contact with RE-AL diplomats prior to the announcement of the move. They apparently forgot to tell their membership however, woops? We set nobody red who didn't attack us first, including some friends of RE-AL - supposed NRDS groups - who then went crying to Republic Alliance when we retaliated. Delicious hypocrite tears. As for helping their enemies we simply failed to oppose them. A relevant distinction. We never had RE-AL's trust, they are paranoid of anyone unwilling to bow to their demands.

Well it looks like you summary of events is indeed wrong, but good effort.



I really do wish RE-AL had adequate diplomats, or at least PR people of their own to convey this properly. Since they do not, they have found themselves fighting a pointless conflict, when there is much, much more important work to be done in the Great Wildlands.

The problem, Ushra'Khan, is that you have sided with known pirates. You, who claim to be champions of the Minmatar people, are entirely too lazy with your diplomacy and standings to think that there might be better qualifications for blues than "they won't shoot us, cool!"

(Come to think of it, RE-AL has also become quite lazy in this regard...but I'll leave that talk to a diplomat.)

I think what Victorick was trying to express is that it's sad to see such a narrow view as to what it means to support the Minmatar people. I'll give you a hint It involves shooting scum like - V -, not setting them blue.


You, the bold Ushra'Khan, may care little for the Republic government...but many of our people live and work and try to safely raise families in the Republic.
They are suffering and dying because of the very pirates you have decided are worthy to negotiate non-aggression pacts with.


But, the fault is not entirely your own. RE-AL has utterly failed at diplomacy and general pilot discipline here. Not only does it seem clear they weren't even mildly persuasive in attempting to make Ushra'Khan aware of their standings error, but in a great show of unprofessionalism, some of their pilots think it would be funny to smack in local about Vitoc and being slavers.
Let me tell you, that's not funny.

What is funny, however, is U'K being childish enough to try to spin it into a legitimate reason to turn Minmatar opinion against RE-AL, and to make the ridiculous suggestion that RE-AL has any Amarr or Ammatar affiliation whatsoever.

This is absolutely pitiful. I have lost alot of respect for both organizations.

Pablos Locos
Caldari
Discount Slave Emporium
Posted - 2010.11.10 04:50:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Altaen

What is funny, however, is U'K being childish enough to try to spin it into a legitimate reason to turn Minmatar opinion against RE-AL, and to make the ridiculous suggestion that RE-AL has any Amarr or Ammatar affiliation whatsoever.



I'm no real fan of either group here. Everyone knows Ursha'khan works with pirates, but they do have a point here. Isn't RE-AL former Foundation alliance? The same Foundation that worked with CVA to kill a mothership? Who asked their pilots to not shoot the Amarr block on a few occasions? Didn't they also get caught transporting supplies to CVA held Providence? I recall some stink about that years ago.

Minmatar have a thing with fighting amongst themselves, I'm sure they will work it out eventually after a bit of explosions.

Nykitah
Posted - 2010.11.10 06:02:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: Nykitah on 10/11/2010 06:03:01
Mwahahahaa! 'Tis why the Electus Matari pilots get ****in' respect! Ha! Well, **** man... way to stick it to us and 'em!

Ain't no lie that we ain't got any respect for them and that ain't gonna change, mate. They blew their damn chance after spittin' in our face and disregardin' all of the warnin' we sent'em after we found out they went about bluein' most of our hostiles, includin' -V-. ****, did the same to us back as Foundati0n and shot at us while we were still freakin' blue.

See, like I told ya'll before, we at RE-AL did bend some rules for UNITY during our talks, sayin' their free to engage neutrals that have Amarr ties with'em.

But hats off to ya and yer Electus Matari comrades, mate.

Call us if ya got another tower assault or defense goin'.

Without them ****in' spatial anomalies please.

Edited for unnecessary comments. Zymurgist

Nykitah
Posted - 2010.11.10 06:24:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: Nykitah on 10/11/2010 06:25:33
Shortly after the Ushra'Khan speech is broadcasted all across the regions, a new signal would flicker to life across the same channels - with a picture of a gruff looking Brutor with some rather interesting genetic modifications, looking right into the fuzzy camera.

I hope this ****in' thing works, old piece of garbage. Alright... I'm sure that ya'll have just finished pukin' after listenin' to that Ushra'K preachin' about freedoms this and freedoms that.

Ain't havin' none of that crap, those damn ****ers are so full of crap that it stopped bein' funny awhile ago. Lemme give ya'll the behind the scenes crap...

Nearly a month ago, these damn Goon-wannabes contacted us back when they were in Damu'Khonde, askin' for standings and **** like that. Apparently, these bastards heard about us already livin' there and operatin' NRDS and all that. So they wannabe all buddy-buddy. Didn't see nothin' wrong with that at first. Well, we talk... and talk some more... apparently, they ain't too happy about adoptin' a common list of standings.

So it ends on this... they be sayin' that in the end, we'd have the same list anyway... somethin' like ninety-five percent or some ****, claimin' that only the Amarrian-loyalists are to be shot on sight.

A pause as the Brutor takes a moment to take out a tobacco stick to light and take a long drag of it, blowing the smoke out of both nostrils.

Now, a lotta of ya are prolly wonderin' who the **** I am anyway... or how the **** I'd know about what Ushra'K are doin' in the Wildlands. Well, ain't a lot of capsuleers know or care to admit this but the Great Wildlands are already home to an NRDS alliance. Hell, even an NRDS coalition! Been livin' here since the old Foundati0n alliance, fightin' to keep the area free for new corps or alliances wantin' a taste of zero-sec without being harassed by pirates.

Normally, we don't go lettin' others shootin' neutrals in our home so our allies adapt our list to fight by and it works 'cuz we're all NRDS group fightin' for the same thing.

It don't take a ****in' genius to figure out that for NRDS groups to work, they need to share standings and have common enemies. Ushra'K didn' seem to think so... so they moved right in, lifted the blanket and offered every damn movin' thing in the region to hop into bed with'em! Ain't even a week gone by before we get word that these ****ers are flyin' with our reds in their gangs and shootin' our other allies. Even after we gave them the damn curtesy of lookin' away in-case they go around shootin' some damn Amarrians that wander into our space that are still neutral to us.

The cig goes flying off the screen as the Brutor finishes it.

Bastards start cryin' about enclosurism and **** like that when we take'em up on the **** they've been causin' us and had the balls to claim they gonna stay out of any blue on blue fights - ****in' lost a good Cyclone when they defended one o' the local pirates we fight.

Final damn straw came when they decided to invite our arch-enemies into their giant orgy of pirates, so we set'em red and send a couple o' mails to their ****-talkin' diplomats about it. Course that don't matter much 'cuz they still come cryin' about us startin' it all... prolly gonna see more of that soon...

Any-****in'-way...there ya have it! Dunno if any of ya care but I had enough of them preachin' their crap in my local channels.

The Brutor would smirk at the camera though.

Don't really matter either though... they ain't the first to come to the Wildlands and try to screw with our business.

Certainly ain't the last either.

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Post edited for unnecessary comments and OOC. Zymurgist

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.11.10 08:27:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Nykitah
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See, like I told ya'll before, we at RE-AL did bend some rules for UNITY during our talks, sayin' their free to engage neutrals that have Amarr ties with'em.



So you consider 'allowing' us to attack people we have red a generous concession? I think that illustrates part of the problem very clearly, thanks.
And you are rewriting history and your positions, as you continued to do at every step of diplomatic contact between our alliances.
Quote:
Nykitah: If someone chooses to fly in our home and settle there without bothering those that do not bother them, we have quarrels with them.

Quote:
Nykitah: You want to live in the Wildlands and be NRDS with a different list of standings than our own - you're pretty much challenging our hold over it


Altaen we are friendly with some capsuleer 'pirate' organisations. They attack capsuleers, not baseline matari, ship crews aside - they know what they sign on for.
We aren't allied with Angels or Serpentis here...

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.11.10 09:57:00 - [97]
 

Quote:
So you consider 'allowing' us to attack people we have red a generous concession? I think that illustrates part of the problem very clearly, thanks.


Honestly i think it is an enormous and over the top concession to 'allow' you to shoot their friends when they got amarr ties. You know NRDS people (the real ones, not the joke UK made of it) dont see neutrals as easy targets, but as potential friends. If they allow you to shoot those potential friends and you dont see that as a generous concession, i think that illustrates part of the problem very clearly.


While having my differences with UK, i truly hoped that them leaving providence could mean that would restore some of their former glory, but it does not look like that will be happening any time soon.

Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2010.11.10 10:04:00 - [98]
 

Ushra'Khan is clearly acting with renewed energy and enthusiasm after moving out of Providence. It seems apparent that if U'K doesn't have any truly NRDS groups to attack and pirate upon, they succumb to boredom and stagnation. Clearly U'K is nothing but a pirate group in disguise (how poor that disguise may even be).

All this "we come for our people"-jibberish, is just an excuse for causing trouble, apparently. Quite honestly, I started out my career in capsuleering trying to see U'K as for what they claim to be; freedom fighters with a good cause. But over time it has come apparent that they are not. All they want is to kill and make trouble, as stated in some of the posts made by members of their own organization. Any organization that is truly NRDS and tries to stay on the friendly terms with the 4 major empires will quickly find themselves to be enemies of the Ushra'Khan. The real enemy is out there. As far as I am concerned he is called "piracy and NBSI", the policy that kills before asking questions. This is the cause around which we all should unite, to fight and finish off this intelligence-liberated killing menace.

Ushra'Khan speaks and speaks and talks and talks. They're good at that. But in the end, lets keep it simple - it comes down to actions, not words. If you want to know what kind of organization U'K truly is, take a look at who their "friends" are and who they fly with, and then who they fight against. Having good relations with a number of NBSI alliances and then the recent quarrel with Republic Alliance, a legit NRDS organization with an admirable history, as far as I am concerned. Well, it is a sad thing that U'K manages to make enemies of such good organizations, and only shows to their true nature. In the end, they're nothing but terrorists and pirates, being just as NBSI as your average next door pirate alliance.

Honour and Decency!

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.11.10 10:22:00 - [99]
 

Sorry, all I hear is 'rabblerabblestandingsenclosurismNRDSrabblerabble'.

Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2010.11.10 10:24:00 - [100]
 

All I could clearly make out of your post was NRDS. Good. You should try and get back to it.

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.11.10 10:33:00 - [101]
 

And you, like most standings enclosurists, should stop telling others how to live their lives. Where we are NRDS we do so with standings of our own choosing, a right available to all capsuleer organisations should they choose to exercise it.

Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2010.11.10 10:37:00 - [102]
 

When you chose a path of life that obviously means the death of others who are innocent, then noone should passively stand by and look. No sir, you are dangerous, both to yourself and others. You are the one that transgresses the borders of decency with your vile howling for more blood. You're the one that should be silenced.

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.11.10 10:43:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Codo Yagari
When you chose a path of life that obviously means the death of others who are innocent, then noone should passively stand by and look. No sir, you are dangerous, both to yourself and others. You are the one that transgresses the borders of decency with your vile howling for more blood. You're the one that should be silenced.


Oh please, as if capsuleers and their crews are ever "innocent".

Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2010.11.10 10:57:00 - [104]
 

You, have obviously lost your faith.

Tell me, if we are not talking in order to find constructive solutions together, for what is the purpose of this summit?

Maybe you should take some time to reconsider your role here, and perhaps even your chosen path of life altogether.

Dame Death
Minmatar
Core Impulse
Posted - 2010.11.10 11:00:00 - [105]
 

Edited by: Dame Death on 10/11/2010 11:00:17
Hrmm all I see is 4 pages of people saying U'K are bullys and U'k deneying it is this right?

If so for ****s sake grow up and sort it out in space.

IGS has enough **** on it without needing more.

Also has U'k leadership stopped smoking whatever they was smoking last time I had to deal with them yet?

Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.11.10 11:07:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Dame Death

If so for ****s sake grow up and sort it out in space.



Oh we're doing that too.


Quote edited. Zymurgist

Dame Death
Minmatar
Core Impulse
Posted - 2010.11.10 11:09:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: Dame Death on 10/11/2010 11:09:56
Originally by: Borza Slavak
Originally by: Dame Death

If so for ****s sake grow up and sort it out in space.



Oh we're doing that too.


Quote edited. Zymurgist


Then stop ****ing *****ing on IGS. And funny as I've been in gw for near on a week and havent seen a single U'K

Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.11.10 11:17:00 - [108]
 

As if you're innocent when it comes to pointless drama Rolling Eyes And we're there all right.

Dame Death
Minmatar
Core Impulse
Posted - 2010.11.10 11:18:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Dame Death on 10/11/2010 11:18:23
Originally by: Borza Slavak
As if you're innocent when it comes to pointless drama Rolling Eyes And we're there all right.


Never said I was I just back it up in space :P

And if you are telling the truth and are there it seems youve found a way to even cloak yourselfs from local. please share

Vinndel
Posted - 2010.11.10 11:19:00 - [110]
 

All I see here is a collective **** up by both sides. I have lost a great deal of respect for both sides. It saddens me that this couldn't be worked peacefully.

Wotlankor
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.11.10 11:26:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Codo Yagari
Incoherent stuff


As my enemy Rodj points out your view of the universe is out of tact with the rest:


You are incoherant and your argumentation stems from perceptions without touch in realities.
Your world is made of capsuleers and capsuleers alone. Our world takes into account that a NRDS entity can have opposite views and therfore cannot co-exist. We must fight other NRDS entities when these capsuleer driven entities tries force our hands or even worse, force the hands of others in worst case force the hands of slaves. NBSI is not inherient evil and niether is NRDS inherient good.

You sir, live in an utopia of your own mind.

Dame Death
Minmatar
Core Impulse
Posted - 2010.11.10 11:33:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Wotlankor
NBSI is not inherient evil.


Finally something I can agree with

Tarac Nor
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.11.10 12:22:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Dame Death

Also has U'k leadership stopped smoking whatever they was smoking last time I had to deal with them yet?


Nope. Its pretty strong stuff.

OOC: oooo e-drama everywhere and the generic "their mad" statement etc etc.

Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2010.11.10 14:15:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Wotlankor
You are incoherant and your argumentation stems from perceptions without touch in realities.
Your world is made of capsuleers and capsuleers alone. Our world takes into account that a NRDS entity can have opposite views and therfore cannot co-exist. We must fight other NRDS entities when these capsuleer driven entities tries force our hands or even worse, force the hands of others in worst case force the hands of slaves. NBSI is not inherient evil and niether is NRDS inherient good.


NRDS means you do not want to kill the innocent. NBSI means you dont care if you kill the innocent. This is one of the most fundamental standpoints one can take in this universe, either you chose to be responsible and only kill those you view your enemies (NRDS), or you are willing to kill anyone except those you view as your friends in order to accomplish your goal (NBSI). I think many need to realize this, that NRDS and NBSI are very fundamental philosophical and moral choises.

Sure, those that practise NRDS may have different goals, but I beg to differ that their goals are FUNDAMENTALLY different. Because the NRDS groups are based on having a conscience those differences can be overcome, with time, and effort. NRDS will always be seen as a more humanitarian and selfless approach than NBSI, and this is where the truly NRDS groups have something in common. When you take the step over to NBSI, you also take the step over to the side where it no longer matters to you if neutrals are killed. New Eden is a big place, and you should do wisely to take responsibility for your actions.

When you no longer care for the independent neutral capsuleer of New Eden, that is when you are no longer innocent yourself. You really should stop taking the killing of others so lightly. Im going to make it simple: Do you care (NRDS)? Or not (NBSI)? Its nothing less than "good or evil".

Dame Death
Minmatar
Core Impulse
Posted - 2010.11.10 14:18:00 - [115]
 

Edited by: Dame Death on 10/11/2010 14:21:50
Codo noone that flys a combat ship is inocent, at all.

When I fly in capsuleer combat even when I'm nbsi (I make no comment on my current RoE) I kill less per hour then a agent runner does (most of who are NRDS). So whoes the greater villan the NBSi Capsuleer combat pilot who kills maybe 10k a day or the NRDS Agent runner who kills 100K+ a hour? Not to mention the NRDS Agent runner probally does it for purley isk whereas the NBSi Capsuleer combat pilot probally does it for other reasons such as defending their wing men

If your gonna agrue for NRDS use a better line then that.

Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2010.11.10 14:26:00 - [116]
 

Well, personally, when (rarely) that I run missions, I never do it against anyone of the empires (NRDS Factiomns), but happily against Sanshas etc (NBSI factions). So I dont see any weakness in my line at all tbh.

Killing pirates (NBSI player groups included) to protect the innocent does not make you guilty.

Dame Death
Minmatar
Core Impulse
Posted - 2010.11.10 14:53:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: Dame Death on 10/11/2010 14:59:07
Edited by: Dame Death on 10/11/2010 14:53:05
Originally by: Codo Yagari
I never do it against anyone of the empires (NRDS Factiomns),


I call Bull**** judging by your republic standings at least what I remember them being.

Quote:
Killing pirates (NBSI player groups included) to protect the innocent does not make you guilty.


How so? your still killing 1000's of crewman who probally dont have a choice what their capsuleer or commander does.

Gotta remember most are probally just "following orders"

Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.11.10 15:47:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Codo Yagari
Any organization that is truly NRDS and tries to stay on the friendly terms with the 4 major empires will quickly find themselves to be enemies of the Ushra'Khan. The real enemy is out there. As far as I am concerned he is called "piracy and NBSI", the policy that kills before asking questions. This is the cause around which we all should unite, to fight and finish off this intelligence-liberated killing menace.


I have been watching your broadcasts for a while now pilot Yagari and I note you still haven't replied to the question I asked you on your "NRDS Coalition" thread some months ago.

Still that aside.

NRDS is a rule of engagement.
NBSI is a rule of engagement.

Neither are of themselves political philosophies (though they can certainly inform on the prevailing political tendency of the organization practising the specific ROE)

NRDS used to underpin the outlook of an open-minded freedom loving corporation or alliance is great.
NRDS used to focus energies against paid targets of a merc corp is effective.
NRDS used to build up a region-wide standings enclosurist coalition is oppressive.

NBSI used to make all neutrals targets on the assumption they collaborate with an oppressive centrist power is understandable (but in my view counterproductive)
NBSI used to provide "more targets" for a combat corp is also understandable (but lazy, and leads to sloppy combat focus)
NBSI used because diplomacy is "too hard" in NRDS is simply an admission of organizational failure in the acceptance of political irrelevance on the frontier.

But the issue of divisions between NRDS entities is what you always forget pilot Yagari; there is easily as much divide between NRDS (independent freespace) and NRDS (standings enclosurist) regimes as ever there is between progressive and least-regressive NRDS/NBSI strands.

Your "total" NRDS coalition is simply aping the standings-enclosurist cultural imperialism of the CVA-era Providence. Where a single governing entity gets to maintain a red list to which all parts of the coalition must adhere. There is no functional difference in this to an NBSI coalition having a blue list in common with its member parts and everyone else a target. In both cases you are telling 3rd party corporations and alliances they must subordinate their standings lists to your pleasure or face being made a target yourself.

I understand why you prefer to make this about NRDSvsNBSI but it would be more honest to accept there is a second level of clause in the categorization of entities without which the classification has no real meaning.

NRDS
NBSI
FREESPACE
ENCLOSURIST

Thus SF (and it appears UK in wildlands) are NRDS/FREESPACE whereas Republic and it appears "total NRDS coalition" would be NRDS/ENCLOSURIST with the point of contention betweeen these arguments being whether it is progressive to enforce a dominant standings region on 3rd party entities.

You believe that you are in your rights to tell 3rd parties that they "may or may not have positive standings with x,y,z external party."

We (SF+UK in this case) believe that you cannot stand for freedom while telling 3rd parties how to conduct their diplomacy and enforcing their standings.

You believe that crimes of piracy and NBSI violence are so terrible that capsuleers should give up some of their freedom in setting standings and conducting diplomacy as sovereign individuals "for the greater good".

We believe, that once you start giving up some of your freedom to a supreme executive coalition power its a slippery slope and the demands of the government will inevitably become louder and heavier with time and gravitational momentum.

And that is the real argument here pilot Yagari. It is not between NSBI and NRDS but in whether one employs NRDS progresively or for regressive imperialist motive.

And I believe you are an imperialist at heart.

Nykitah
Posted - 2010.11.10 16:32:00 - [119]
 

Dunno where ya got that stuff, Jade but down in the Wildlands, we ain't forcin' anyone to apply our standings to themselves.

A neutral alliance or corp get a choice - they can accept our standings and work together with us and our local allies or they don't gotta apply our standings and they can remain neutral. We don't care, they can live in the Wildlands if they wanna.

What we do got a problem with is if ya gonna start workin' with our enemies right infront of us 'cuz I gotta say, yer gonna get called a ****in' hypocrite if ya cry for others to stand for freedom and **** while shootin' anyone part of a CVA fleet just 'cuz they were in a CVA fleet or defend CVA pilots that might've been in their fleet.

Thorvik
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.11.10 16:36:00 - [120]
 

Edited by: Thorvik on 10/11/2010 17:03:25
Edited by: Thorvik on 10/11/2010 16:38:46
Edited by: Thorvik on 10/11/2010 16:37:29
Originally by: Pablos Locos

Ö. Isn't RE-AL former Foundation alliance? The same Foundation that worked with CVA to kill a mothership? Who asked their pilots to not shoot the Amarr block on a few occasions? Didn't they also get caught transporting supplies to CVA held Providence? I recall some stink about that years ago.


Yes. In fact Darling Nykitah is a former member of Ghosts of Ragnarok [XGORX] a member of Foundation since 2007 and now a member of the TEST Alliance Please Ignore [TEST] . If we are going to start flinging accusations based on relationships vis-ŗ-vis UíK and ĖV- then perhaps we should examine the ulterior motives of this Capsuleer?

Nykitahís ass kissing EM doesnít surprise me much as he is known as a race traitor and wishes only to sow conflict in this area. Trying to become friendly to EM is just a game that EM will tire of if they arenít already.

With regards to this whole idea of NRDS; I think itís laughable that everyone seems to want to tell us what to do. As Dame Death quite rightly pointed out, there are no ďInnocentĒ Capsuleers. This is a moral judgement and one which is entirely subjective based on where one person chooses to place his or her moral ground. We make no such judgements of people.

NRDS is a truly simple. Not Red Donít Shoot. We take this as it stands. You are neutral (note Iím not saying innocent) unless you decide to fire upon us. Then you are red.

We are happy to allow people to ply their trade in the Great Wildlands as they have prior to us arriving without any interference from us. We have been called pirates before. Granted this has been primarily from Amarr allied corporations or alliances as we are indeed NBSI in Amarr territory. EM claiming we are pirates has happened from time to time but we seem to agree to disagree on that point.

We had tried to ally ourselves with everyone in GW when we arrived. The idea was good, if not a bit naive. We should have known that Capsuleers such as Nykitah would have a chip on their shoulder and try to bully us into living a CVA like servitude within this region. We do not wish to live here in our homeland as indentured servants to ****ants like Nykitah.

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Ö. Talk that hits the nail squarely on the head. Ö


As Dame said:
Originally by: Dame Death
Ö for F*cks sake grow up and sort it out in space.


Weíll see you in space and watch you run again and again. Your loldrake fleets will surely make us tremble in our pods but we may just get over it.


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