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Sebastiann Kane
Posted - 2010.11.03 12:53:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Sebastiann Kane on 03/11/2010 15:41:37
REALLY TRIED WITH THIS ONE BUT ONLY ABOUT 2 PEOPLE OUT OF EVERYONE WHO POSTED HAD ANYTHING RELEVENT TO SAY. EVERYONE ELSE WAS EITHER A TROLL, POSTED NO CONTENT, HAD NOT READ THE THREAD OR OFFERED NO EVIDENCE.

THANKS FOR READING THOUGH



(Please dont talk about ghost training and character farming)

One of the only things i do not like about EVE is the limited skill queue. Quite a few of my corporation are out at the moment in Afghanistan and their game is over for six months. Plus there are times when RL issues come up and people just want to forget about the game for a month or two knowing full well that they can come back to it. You pay for your long term subscription and while you have flight time you train.

The main argument that everyone gives against it is that you can start farming characters as you can load up a years worth of training and ghost train them for free. But this is not true ghost training does not exist anymore and if someone wanted to farm characters they would just do what they are doing now but be forced to log on more frequently.


The real reason that CCP keeps the queue at 24 hours is because they believe if it was unlimited then people would lose there emotional attachment to the game as it would be out of there minds for long periods of time and they might just quit.

The problem with that is that individual psychologists can be wrong and they have no long term data to support that model.

Second

It would be very interesting to see the raw data for increased subscriptions when they introduced the 24hr training queue.


My personal belief is that that they have people believing that the 24hr skill queue keeps this game social and that people will play more with a smaller skill queue when the real truth is that CCP is a business and they believe that they will keep people hooked on the game if they force them to log in.

But they are definately missing a trick


If they increase the skill queue to unlimited or at least 6 months then they will get far more subscribers as it will include all of those people who dont want to log in ever few days or constantly monitor there skill queue. Consider back when the game started and there was no skill queue and how many people who play now would not have been interested in being forced to log in constantly or setting there alarm clocks in the middle of the night.

This thread will change nothing but its just to let you know that CCP dont have a skill queue for you its for their increased revenue subscriptons and they are asking the wrong psychologists as if they increased it they would have a lot more subscribers but are to short sighted to see it.


Lastly there are lots of ingame things to keep people hooked such as plexing. its based on the theory of skinners operant conditioning and operates exactly the same way as games like WOW and Diablo. its a form of gambling but you invest time instead of money and hope for a jackpot. This is why you will meet people who plex and do nothing else.


Any thoughts and please read the whole thing through first.

Chesty McJubblies
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2010.11.03 12:55:00 - [2]
 

Then nobody* would have any reason to log in.

And they don't want that.

(* Obviously a slight exaggeration)

Sebastiann Kane
Posted - 2010.11.03 12:55:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Sebastiann Kane on 03/11/2010 14:05:15


Replys to everyone who posted but

1. Please dont argue in this thread about the miltary. please stay on topic
2. If you have an opinion please add some evidence
3. Character farmers will farm regardless it just means that they have to log on more often

Answers (and i hate to say that you have to wade through the idiots and trolls to find anything relevent)

1. Chesty - jennifer starling answers you completely.
2. Skippermonkey - Can you say you dont want it?
3. Goremaggedon - trolling
4. Enord - I equals everyone. no content
5. Mardero - Thanks for the vote of confidence
6. Inshina - No content
7. Jennifer starling - My thoughts as well. Do people really think that the only reason people play this game is because they have to change a skill and then stick around to play
8. Bacon slapper - You post had no value. you talk about something thats out of date and add no evidence for character farming
9. Dead Jesus - No content and ignorance (nice work there)
10. lady Parity - Troll
11. Rhiege - Nice sarcasm and i agree with you
12. Cyprus - dead jesus is just ignorant but im using them as one of the reasons why a longer skill queue is needed
13. JitaPricechecker - dont say that as maybe CCP would go for it lols. one month skill queue would cost 10 trillion isk
14. Jennifer page - Please stay on track
15. Dead Jesus - Confirmed Idiot troll (please see previous entries)
16. Alara - You are rightish but the miltary will not use their channels for that. and please stay on track
17. Tippia - you are right it is a skill buffer but you have added NO evidence to back up your claims
18 Ran Khanon - excellent point. You cannot specialise with an unlimited skill queue and you would have to come back on when you have finished the pre-reqs
19. Goremaggedon - Point A is Completely true but please stay on the question
20. Alara please dont hijack this thread
21. Goremadden you had some good points there but please stay on thread
22. jink hikara - another case of I equals everyone and nowone has added any evidence of character farming.
23. Lady spank - off topic
24.Benbagkin - this forum is where everyone is. i would like a forced commitment mode as well. again you offer no explanation as to why you would want a 24 skill queue with no explanations and you did not comment on my arguments.


Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
Posted - 2010.11.03 12:58:00 - [4]
 

no thx

Enord Loej
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.11.03 12:59:00 - [5]
 

I'm training Astrogeology 5 on a new character. Except for an op or two, I have no reason to log on in the next two weeks, already.

Mardero
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:02:00 - [6]
 

I agree with the OP.

Ishina Fel
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:05:00 - [7]
 

My thoughts: Suggestion forums are that way --->

ugh

Jennifer Starling
Amarr
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:05:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Chesty McJubblies
Then nobody* would have any reason to log in.

And they don't want that.

(* Obviously a slight exaggeration)

LOL yes don't we all just play EVE to keep our skillqueues going? Wink
If that was indeed the case EVE would be a very boring game ..

But yes it seems reasonable that if someone can't login for a number of months they'd stay subscribed if they can queue a lot of skills before leaving.

Bacon Slapper
Minmatar
Red Federation
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:06:00 - [9]
 

EVE Online is a skill based game meaning that characters advance through the training and upgrading of skills over time. This training is real-time based, whether a player is logged in or not, their character continues to grow in the game’s universe. The time to train these skills varies and can actually take quite a while at the highest levels. Ghost Training made it possible to actually train skills with a dormant account. For example: You could set your long term skills to train, un-sub from the game, re-sub some time later and have your training completed when you came back.

An announcement alone got some players up in arms, but the problem was compounded when an apparent internal miscommunication led the game’s Senior Producer to refer to the Ghost Training feature as a long-standing bug while company documentation on the website described it as an intentional game feature.

In short I think the OPS idea would only result in character farming

Dead Jesus
Gallente
PeaceMakers.
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:12:00 - [10]
 

Remove the skill queue completely, but only for people who think being 'in Afghanistan' gives their arguments validity. It doesn't.

Lady Parity
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:19:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Enord Loej
I'm training Astrogeology 5 on a new character. Except for an op or two, I have no reason to log on in the next two weeks, already.


You should just quit

Rheige Bladewhisper
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:22:00 - [12]
 

If you had to stay subscribed to keep your skill queue going, CCP certainly wouldn't be losing any money. Hell, they might be gaining some more. And all at the cost of...

wait, was there actually any cost here, for them?

Oh, the only thing this would do would be increase the ease of use of their interface, and ease of leveling up characters?

Oh, well, if it can only cause good things for them then it's right out, then. Rolling Eyes

Cyprus Black
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:22:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Dead Jesus
Remove the skill queue completely, but only for people who think being 'in Afghanistan' gives their arguments validity. It doesn't.
You should go shoot yourself.

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:23:00 - [14]
 

Make it PLEX for extended skill queue !!!

Each additional PLEX applied to the account doubles your queue limit !


Jennifer Starling
Amarr
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:24:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Lady Parity
Originally by: Enord Loej
I'm training Astrogeology 5 on a new character. Except for an op or two, I have no reason to log on in the next two weeks, already.


You should just quit

Hey it's a paying customer!

Dead Jesus
Gallente
PeaceMakers.
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:25:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Cyprus Black
Originally by: Dead Jesus
Remove the skill queue completely, but only for people who think being 'in Afghanistan' gives their arguments validity. It doesn't.
You should go shoot yourself.


why?

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:32:00 - [17]
 

CCP knows who you are, you should get a limited extended skill que by sended in deployment orders or something along those lines for any military.

They are paying customers and if they want to come home and not be six months behind I say let them. They are defending our Countries and if the penalty is not going on line why not give them an extention.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:33:00 - [18]
 

No. It makes character farming too easy (sorry, just because you don't want people to mention the reason doesn't make it an invalid one).

The skill queue isn't there to let you train AFK — it's there to let you switch skills at 4AM without actually having to be awake at 4AM. That's its sole purpose. It may be called a skill queue, but that's not what it is: it's a skill switching buffer, and 24h is all that is ever needed to serve that particular purpose.

Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:35:00 - [19]
 

I'd love it to be longer. Because I tend to neglect my skill queues and sometimes forget about them :_:

There is still another factor that makes you want to log in at least occasionally though: it is not possible to inject and train skills which you don't have the prerequisite skills for. Meaning that you could queue skills for a very long time but that you wouldn't be able to specialize much unless you log on now and then for some injections and adjustments.

Goremageddon Box
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:36:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Alara IonStorm
CCP knows who you are, you should get a limited extended skill que by sended in deployment orders or something along those lines for any military.

They are paying customers and if they want to come home and not be six months behind I say let them. They are defending our Countries and if the penalty is not going on line why not give them an extention.



im usually pretty reasonable when it comes to certain things but this would be a ******ed idea in the fact that,

A. the army would never let peple send their official orders to a ****ing gaming company
b. it would help terrorists,
c. its just stupid

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:39:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Goremageddon Box

im usually pretty reasonable when it comes to certain things but this would be a ******ed idea in the fact that,

A. the army would never let peple send their official orders to a ****ing gaming company
b. it would help terrorists,
c. its just stupid

I see you pulled the terrorist card...

Good job there!

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:45:00 - [22]
 

If internet spaceship skillpoints are that important to you then don't get a job that requires you to be away from the client for extended durations.

Or you could just get a friend to apply your skill changes for you.

Having a skill queue at all is a privilege that took years to get. Don't think it's going to be extended any time soon.

Ghost training doesn't exist fully these days but that doesn't stop extended skill queues from encouraging character farming and it is definitely a disincentive to logging in for many players.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:47:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Alara IonStorm
CCP knows who you are, you should get a limited extended skill que by sended in deployment orders or something along those lines for any military.

They are paying customers and if they want to come home and not be six months behind I say let them. They are defending our Countries and if the penalty is not going on line why not give them an extention.



Except that CCP doesn't know who you are.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:48:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Rodj Blake
Except that CCP doesn't know who you are.

They just know your credit card and E-mail...

Goremageddon Box
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:49:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Originally by: Goremageddon Box

im usually pretty reasonable when it comes to certain things but this would be a ******ed idea in the fact that,

A. the army would never let peple send their official orders to a ****ing gaming company
b. it would help terrorists,
c. its just stupid

I see you pulled the terrorist card...

Good job there!



its not hard to intercept stuff like that yo, but realy, that would cause ccp to inquire large bribes from certain muslim entities.....

xD

maybe even venezuelan ones now that theyre trying to go all commi-pro

but yea, sending somewhat classified information to people who dont need it is not cool.


but i don't see the point of not having longer skill ques if u have to now have an active account to train.

its no different then buying plex and selling them for isk, except its more long term, creating characters and selling those for isk, ur always paying the sub somehow, so any point against it is irrelevant besides the fact that they wnat u to log on 24 hours before your current skill que finishes to add another one to it, no matter the length.


:)

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:50:00 - [26]
 

Quote:
If they increase the skill queue to unlimited or at least 6 months then they will get far more subscribers as it will include all of those people who dont want to log in ever few days


I think most of the Eve community (and CCP) would rather have things as they are now, than have a whole slew of new 'Players' who simply load up a 6 month queue and then dont log back in.

Oh and to the OP, you can't start a discussion with a point asking people not to mention on of the biggest negative aspects of your idea......

(Please dont talk about the health issues of second hand smoke)
I think that the law stoping smokers from smoking in piblic buildings, bars etc is wrong.
Discuss!

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:52:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Except that CCP doesn't know who you are.

They just know your credit card and E-mail...


What credit card, and my email I use for junk? oh no.

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.11.03 13:56:00 - [28]
 

First, you are in the wrong forum section.

Second, there are reasons you might not be able to log in every 24 hours to change skills (see Afghanistan, or any deployed forces). For that reason I would support a "vacation mode", but I would not, nor will I ever, support longer skill queues in general.

See 4th post down by me here for more details. I'm not posting it all again.

Jennifer Starling
Amarr
Posted - 2010.11.03 14:10:00 - [29]
 

I think it's unfortunate if you don't have any RL family or friends that you can trust to add skills to your queue.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.03 14:55:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: BeanBagKing
First, you are in the wrong forum section.

Second, there are reasons you might not be able to log in every 24 hours to change skills (see Afghanistan, or any deployed forces). For that reason I would support a "vacation mode", but I would not, nor will I ever, support longer skill queues in general.


Even the newest of characters has skills that take one or more weeks to train.


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