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Forum Alterson
Posted - 2010.11.01 17:18:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Rikki Sals
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist

Players are reminded that it is important to populate your skill queue with enough skills to cover the extended downtime



*Gets ready for all the complaints from people who will lose SP due to forgetting to set long skill queues* Twisted Evil


I hope the patch screws up and we get some more gifted SP :) Last time I had full training, and 250k to distribute IIRC.

henchana
Posted - 2010.11.01 17:19:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: henchana on 01/11/2010 17:22:01
From this patch day to the ending of the EvE world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his pod with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his skill points;

Largo Coronet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.11.01 17:40:00 - [63]
 

Caldari Cruiser V, here I come...

Desparo
Posted - 2010.11.01 18:15:00 - [64]
 

If you need more available id numbers you should have allowed people to repackage modules in hanger arrays and You should implement a system to stack identical bpc's in a hanger. This is an upgrade that both players and your database would appreciate. But for some reason you have decided that making EVE players lives a little less tedious is not something your gonna bother to do.

Scorpionidae
Posted - 2010.11.01 18:42:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: SgtRaider
Hehe I thought I was going to be able to play a little this weekend. Was looking forward to it anyway. Crying or Very sad

Call of Duty sounding good againRolling Eyes


Good thing its not going to be on the weekend.

Scorpionidae Very Happy

Aeir Myiez
Posted - 2010.11.01 19:16:00 - [66]
 

In before the "CCP owes me game time threads" Rolling Eyes


Slater Furious
Posted - 2010.11.01 19:41:00 - [67]
 

so why do the always anounce deployment less that 24 hours before they do it u think they would give us nore notice

Allahs Servant
Posted - 2010.11.01 19:59:00 - [68]
 

RAAAGGGHHH What the hell am I supposed to do for 11 and a half hours?!

ishi ryu
Minmatar
Atlantic Solutions
Posted - 2010.11.01 20:09:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Slater Furious
so why do the always anounce deployment less that 24 hours before they do it u think they would give us nore notice



ehmmm... oww right, you are caldari eh...

They actaually did give us nore notice, all you had to do was red the news on the lofin screen or check the vorums vor vive minute Rolling Eyes plenty notice to be found...

Now thats cleared i better log my main, she's caldari too and i bet she doesn't have a clue that we'll be patching ugh

Kaurapa
Posted - 2010.11.01 20:10:00 - [70]
 

Waiting for this thread to turn into a flame war between CCP fanbois and selffish haters. My prediction for posting topics:
Most popular Post: Ugh Why is this taking so long? We pay for this Game.
2nd Most popular topic: Complainers have no life - go outside and do something else.
3rd most popular topic: This upgrade is a copy paste with nothing new - come on CCP you suck.
4th most popular topic: Thank you CCP for doing backround fixes on broken features and not adding new stuff.
5th most popular topic: WTF this is all about the carebears.
6th most popular topic: WTF 0.0 get all the upgrades....

My question: Why does this thread exist? Nothing useful can come from it. A locked thread with hourly updates from CCP employees would be literally 15x as useful.

Lorelei Tsu
Caldari
Sarum Industries
Jaegermeister Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.01 20:20:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Lorelei Tsu on 01/11/2010 20:24:50
I have paid for 30 days of opportunity to play EVE, 23/7 that is including rolling updates (whcih I appreciate, btw). Of course you need install them and this takes time. An hour or two beyond the downtime - happens, I won't count beans. But if I loose a day of that opportunity, you have not sold me 30 but say, 29 days. Therefore please append the hours of downtime to my account expiry. I could quote some legal paragraphs, but hey - it is a game and won't hurt you to be fair.

Then, I got this on such a short notice, my corp expects me to fly a ship by this-or-that day and I planned to match that. EVE is about planning skill development, isn't it? And this planning has to be relyable for the matter. Now, due to the update, I have to suspend that skill and throw in another, thus being farther away from the point where I would finish the first one, disappointing me and my mates. On the other hand, you know downtimes' length prediction is unreliable.
I looked forward to fly a XY industrial by Wednesday, and now cannot! Therefore it seems fair to me to *always* compensate players for that skill-shuffling, i.e. by free SP. As pointed out, learning just anything else doesn't make it.

Lorelei Tsu
Caldari
Sarum Industries
Jaegermeister Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.01 21:16:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Lorelei Tsu on 01/11/2010 21:22:39
A suggestion for the SP and skill-shuffling, especially because it cannot be expected that everyone monitors the EVE pages for updates (it is a game after all):

After disconnecting every user, just before the update...
  1. stop everyone's skill training queue, mark the toons of active players where that changed anything

  2. ... do whatever you do to install updates, after that:
    nobody has gained any SP so far during the extended downtime!

  3. let t be the time of the downtime plus say 10 minutes, for every marked toon:
    1. get the two highest attributes, A1 and A2

    2. grant SP according to tuple (t, A1, A2), that is the amount of SP the toon would have possibly acquired

    3. resume its skill training queue

  4. end downtime, allow players to connect

By that it doesn't matter how long the downtime is, nobody loses anything. No skill shuffling is needed, cause one could apply the granted SP to whatever he might have missed to schedule. The few additional SP due to having taken A1 and A2 (and not anything lower) we can call compensation for bothering with the queue again or for the loss of switching the learning toon.

PhantomMajor
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.01 22:05:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: PhantomMajor on 01/11/2010 22:07:30
two things this game needs is a "Sell All" button. i have 445 items to sell for my corp which equates to four clicks per item to log the sale into the corp wallet.

the ability to add a secure password to your ships.... if you can put a password on a secure can, how come you can't do it on ships?

come on ccp get your act together.

Kalika Shiva
Posted - 2010.11.01 23:50:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Desparo
If you need more available id numbers you should have allowed people to repackage modules in hanger arrays and You should implement a system to stack identical bpc's in a hanger. This is an upgrade that both players and your database would appreciate. But for some reason you have decided that making EVE players lives a little less tedious is not something your gonna bother to do.


Err, if you look at your first line there you will see a flaw, that flaw being even a repackged module would have the same ID number. Even if it is stacked with identical items. Each item is given a number.

Kalika Shiva
Posted - 2010.11.01 23:56:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Slater Furious
so why do the always anounce deployment less that 24 hours before they do it u think they would give us nore notice



They gave more than 24 hours notice, you would have noticed this if you noticed the date stamp on the first post in here:

2010.10.29 16:59:00

CorryBasler
The Maverick Navy
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.11.02 01:15:00 - [76]
 

who wants to bet the dt will be 6+ hours longer then they plan???? :P

soad2237
Minmatar
EVE University
Posted - 2010.11.02 01:17:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: WACKAWACKAWOO
Edited by: WACKAWACKAWOO on 01/11/2010 16:27:14
I personally have faith in CCP. They make mistakes in their patches, but what developer doesn't? The constant updates annoy me but it gets fixed eventually.


I have plenty of faith in CCP, but what bothered many of us is CCP's attitude towards the failed deployment of Tyrannis 1.1. They did everything but apologize for the mistakes that were made, that inconvenienced the majority of their customers.

simbot5th
Posted - 2010.11.02 01:29:00 - [78]
 

well heres a dum ? why not go strait to incursion instead of these d--- patches ))

superstrong
Posted - 2010.11.02 04:14:00 - [79]
 

I've noticed they are at least trying to improve things, everyone should try and understand that they understand your agony as well as frustration. Its an epic game to say the least. I would suggest if anyone has great programming skills apply to ccp and help them. Knocking them only makes things worse for all the players to hear. In retrospect they have indeed improved things while other things have suffered, but again its dam better than playing a game that's housed in someones house . This is a big company with big idea's give them a little credit. Just my 2 cents.

Necrothitude
Caldari
United Kings
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2010.11.02 04:18:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Lorelei Tsu
Edited by: Lorelei Tsu on 01/11/2010 20:24:50
I have paid for 30 days of opportunity to play EVE, 23/7 that is including rolling updates (whcih I appreciate, btw). Of course you need install them and this takes time. An hour or two beyond the downtime - happens, I won't count beans. But if I loose a day of that opportunity, you have not sold me 30 but say, 29 days. Therefore please append the hours of downtime to my account expiry. I could quote some legal paragraphs, but hey - it is a game and won't hurt you to be fair.

Then, I got this on such a short notice, my corp expects me to fly a ship by this-or-that day and I planned to match that. EVE is about planning skill development, isn't it? And this planning has to be relyable for the matter. Now, due to the update, I have to suspend that skill and throw in another, thus being farther away from the point where I would finish the first one, disappointing me and my mates. On the other hand, you know downtimes' length prediction is unreliable.
I looked forward to fly a XY industrial by Wednesday, and now cannot! Therefore it seems fair to me to *always* compensate players for that skill-shuffling, i.e. by free SP. As pointed out, learning just anything else doesn't make it.



Migrating several gigabytes of information requires time. This involves backups, data translation, then warming up the servers again (which takes a half hour anyways).

Honestly, if you have any ideas for how to actually speed up such a migration, download Python, Microsoft Visual Studio, and Microsoft SQL Server, and get cracking. If you can make it go faster, you could make a lot of money working on big-iron databases, making life better for a whole lot of people. Have fun!


And take it from me. Loosing a few hours of skill training isn't a big deal. You'll get over it. EVE is about having fun and making friends (and enemies). Skills are just a way of helping people specialize in specific things and learn how to use equipment while they train for more equipment. As any PvP junkie will tell you, a 10mil SP pilot can kick the butt of a 100mil SP pilot if the 10mil SP pilot knows what he's doing more than the 100mil pilot.

XSarah
Posted - 2010.11.02 04:29:00 - [81]
 

looking forward to the six or more post updates to this update

:)


Lederstrumpf
Posted - 2010.11.02 04:29:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
The deployment process will begin at 05:00 UTC and is expected to be completed at 16:30 UTC.


^ 11:30h

"we expect around 14 hours of downtime when we do the upgrade" -- CCP Creber Cattus:
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=813

^ 14:00h

....

superstrong
Posted - 2010.11.02 04:29:00 - [83]
 

As much as we all complain the bottom line is you are all (we)that post here anyway are eve junkies . So Take it like a man/woman stand up to the plate and cheer it on . We move forward as others have said, consistently I might ad and I would think everyone enjoys the game. That's why there are complaints. If no ones talking somethings wrong because the worlds not perfect. Think of it as theta thinking the real world.

alesha 303
Posted - 2010.11.02 04:34:00 - [84]
 

5:00 my ass! You went offline at 4:30! Typical.

XSarah
Posted - 2010.11.02 04:35:00 - [85]
 

I can quit any time.

Originally by: superstrong
As much as we all complain the bottom line is you are all (we)that post here anyway are eve junkies . So Take it like a man/woman stand up to the plate and cheer it on . We move forward as others have said, consistently I might ad and I would think everyone enjoys the game. That's why there are complaints. If no ones talking somethings wrong because the worlds not perfect. Think of it as theta thinking the real world.

Miss Jools
Posted - 2010.11.02 12:12:00 - [86]
 

I have reported a bug concerning building HICs in a Tier3 upgraded factory OP. I haven't had any replies on it yet.

Will this be fixed in this patch?

DrugsDen
Posted - 2010.11.02 12:30:00 - [87]
 

How about updating on someone eles timezone allways uk time get it!!!!Evil or Very Mad

Vhrasik
Posted - 2010.11.02 12:47:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Vhrasik on 02/11/2010 12:49:18
Originally by: DrugsDen
How about updating on someone eles timezone allways uk time get it!!!!Evil or Very Mad


Why UK-Time? Its UTC ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc

Cpt Pugwash
Caldari
Rubra Libertas Militia
Posted - 2010.11.02 13:08:00 - [89]
 


Patch notes are full of errors that should have been picked up with the briefest of proof reads...

Quote:
# Pinned windows are again persistent after re-logging or closing the windows.
# Snapped windows stay put after closing another snapped window.
# Pinned windows are again persistent after re-logging or closing the windows.


I hope CCP take more care with their code than they do with thier patch notes.

carebear one
Posted - 2010.11.02 13:12:00 - [90]
 

Edited by: carebear one on 02/11/2010 13:28:50
Edited by: carebear one on 02/11/2010 13:25:55
Edited by: carebear one on 02/11/2010 13:18:13
Edited by: carebear one on 02/11/2010 13:16:41
Originally by: Vhrasik
Edited by: Vhrasik on 02/11/2010 12:49:18
Originally by: DrugsDen
How about updating on someone eles timezone allways uk time get it!!!!Evil or Very Mad


Why UK-Time? Its UTC ! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc


UTC is GMT ... historically there are only ONE standard time on earth GMT which was originally founded by british scientists and situated on the meridian (which is going thru the british town Greenwich as we all know). GMT was founded to get rid of several navigational problems during sea-travel. After founding GMT and inventing a clock that remains exact even on sea every ship had a clock on board calibrated on GMT. So GMT is much older than UTC.

UTC is just a try from several US-American Companies to claym the founding of a standard timezone for themselve and also there was a time where they tried to charge there customers if they are synch there times thru UTC.

After time and the failing attempt to charge customers there was decission to give UTC free to all. But nowadays most of the timesystems are related to GMT ... mostly USA and USA-influenced countries using UTC and UTC-differences to sort out timezones.


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